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Hemanwel:
Dividend of N1?? Or I didn't read well? How much did a share go for during the IPO?

Investing in the stock market in Nigeria is looking like a bad investment, I tell ya! The other day, i read about someone who invested N11,250 (or so) in...(can't remember the name of the company) and was paid a N35k dividend after 16 years.

This isn't making sense at all!

Go and learn the difference between shares and dividend before rushing to comment online in ignorance. Stop disgracing yourself and rush to google now, its now easy to get knowledge in this day and age.

helinues:
Na family affairs

Your IQ is definitely low. Ive noticed it for a while, just felt the need to tell you now. Pray for wisdom, knowledge and understanding. Genuine advise

Franktom247:
Their decision making at critical phases of the game is still poor

Bad belle.. they dissappointed you by performing well...

Sometines this site seems ridiculous with pseudo analyst like this... perpetual complainers

lovewins:
Appreciate your graciousness. I'll however note you're making my point for me though unconsciously. Nuance is required when making comparisons, particularly of 2 things across different timelines and context.

First, when the FIFA u20 women's world cup began in 2002, Nwokocha was already a Super Falcons player. By implication, she didn't have the privilege of participating in said competition so no basis for comparison here. Also, the 2014 success of the Oshoala u20 squad wasn't novel as impressive as that was. Remember we had played in the final of the 2010 edition with Oparanozie and Orji being stars of that tournament.


It's important to note before I continue that there's usually a scope guardrail when conversations like this are had, if not we'll just be comparing apples and oranges.

Secondly, I don't think the strength of opposition argument you slipped into the conversation is a good retort. You're subtly watering down, however unconsciously, the achievement of Perpetua to make a point. I can posit same argument by saying Perpetua would have been more successful if she her career spanned from 2014 to today like Oshoala did. Remember, the lack of development in women's football argument goes both ways. It's why Perpetua sadly never had European success like Oshoala did. Perpetua was good enough to play in the best league/teams in the world but she played in an era when women's football was still developing. I'd argue she would be a constant Balon D'or nominee had her prime being in the last decade. That however isn't the case it's why I never brought it up as it has a way of also dimming the light however unintentionally on Oshoala's achievements.

The real scope for argument is what they did with the national team and everyone who has followed the Super Falcons the last 2+ decade rate Nwokocha higher. This is just a brief overview of her contributions to the team someone put up on X I think expresses this point:

She played in 7 WAFCONs and won 5 of them. She scored 34 goals at the tournament, the all-time record, and finished as the top scorer in 4 different editions. She scored 9 goals in 2004, including 4 in the final, and then somehow scored 11 goals in 2010, which is still a tournament record.

"She holds the record for most goals in WAFCON finals with 7, scored in 10 consecutive WAFCON matches and in 20 different matches. She also had 4 hat-tricks, including the fastest one in WAFCON history, taking just 9 minutes"


Nwokocha won 5 WAFCONs and she was consequential in 4 of them. Oshoala has won 4 WAFCONs and she was consequential in 2 of them.

And about losing to European competitions? That is consistent with the Super Falcons across generations until the Advent of Waldrum. We've always lost to European opposition because of our indiscipline defensively. Not even Oshoala across her illustrious career is spared of this.

Again, I making this argument not necessarily because I think Nwokocha is the Goat of African football. On the contrary I think Asisat has that honour. I'm making it because it's unfair to simply say there isn't an argument to be made. I can see both sides because I watched both players.

If there's one thing I agree with you on, it's that Oshoala is the most inspirational player to come out of Africa. She's broken barriers, achieved results, attained accomplishments that signals to the millions of girls we have on the continent about what is possible. In Oshoala, little girls and older players alike see what's possible from the shores of the slums of Africa. She was privileged to be born at a time when advancement and growth in Women's football and the advent of social media helped to shine the lights on her hardwork and skills. She a product of time and chance like the Bible posits. I remember a year or 2 ago I was feeling Nostalgic and was trying to see if I could get clips of Perpetua online to rewatch some of the things I marveled at her doing growing up. I could barely find any. You'll have a better chance finding more clips of Pele who played 3 decades before than you do of her.

It however won't stop some of us who witnessed the greatness that is Perpetua Nwokocha to acknowledge that there's a case to be made when the GOAT argument about both of them comes up particularly when the context is afrocentric.

Worthy of note again is that Perpetua did all this a a midfielder which makes her achievements even more impressive. This gets lost in the conversation so it's worth mentioning again and again

Asisat Oshoala won the golden ball and the golden boot for best player and top scorer awards at the FIFA u20 women's world cup ,,,pretty unique and distinctive i must say

Its easy to note that all the accolades you used to rate Perpetua were all done within the WAFCON { and i still insist that the competition then was sub par}.... lets compare apples with apples shey?? okay. lets compare their performance in Europe

Nkwocha played for what was a midtable club in Sunnana fk in Sweden scoring 65 goals in 17 seasons {2007 -2014}

In contrast, just for Fc Barcelona alone, Oshoala Scored over 100 goals, winning multiple Liga F titles and the UEFA Women's Champions League. in 5 seasons

Oshoala won back-to-back Chinese Women's Super League titles and a Golden Boot in 2 seasons n China

Oshoala was the first African woman to play in the English top flight.

Like i said, the gap is far its not debatable.

lovewins:
I came up with probably the best illustration one could come up with the properly situate why people may differ in the Oshoala/Nwokocha debate, and didn't expect this reaction that quite frankly reeks of emotions.

By the way, I'm not covering anything. I was privileged to see both players play at their prime and can understand context and nuance in making a a case for both arguments which was the point I was making. It's the same conundrum an average Egyptian will face in discussing Salah and Aboutrika. One was more accomplished outside the shores of Egypt, while the other was more consequential to the nation in the continent. That's quite literally Oshoala and Nwokocha's case.

I don't have the time i would have shown with facts and not sentiments like you claimed how Nwokocha was more consequential to the Falcons than Oshoala ever was and she did that as a midfielder. Oshoala's laurels mostly came as a result of her contribution outside the shores of the continent hence her being African best player 6 times.

So yes Oshoala is objectively the best to come out of this country and the most accomplished, but one can argue (and wouldn't be wrong) when it comes to the Super Falcons, Perpetua was more consequential than Oshoala was.

Apologies if my response came out in a way you didnt appreciate. Im just a straghtshooting person. I note that you have an intelligent mind through your contributions here. But t still maintain there shouldnt even be a debate.

You mentioned being consequential. but in what context?? The super falcons are not the only national team.. There is the falconets and other age grade national teams. What were there impact. Being consequential does not just apply to bossing the African nation cup when it was obvious african countries were not interested in female football and the participants were so few.


The context is that same team that was winning the female nations cup back to back back was being walloped embarrasing when they meet European teams way back then.

So been consequential, does it just apply to just the senior female nations cup, or just the growth of female football in general. Oshoala was MVP at youth and senior levels, i dare say she has been the most inspirational to female athletes in Nigeria in terms of achieving greatness

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lovewins:
You're both right though if we stick to the plain reading of what you both wrote.

Perpetual Nwokocha is the Goat of African and Nigerian Football and quite frankly no one comes close.

Asisat Oshoala however is the greatest female player to come out of Africa.

It's more like comparing Mohamed Aboutrika and Mohammed Salah. Same argument but if rendered as phrased above it's a conclusion that we all can agree with.

We are not saying the same thing sir. You are just tryng to cover sentiments and bias with semantics.

The GOAT means the best to ever come.. and how do you measure greatness?? ACHIEVEMENT.

The only metric Nkwocha has over Oshoala is most goal scored in Women Africa nations cup, when the only real competitin in Afric a
was just between Nigeria and a few countries.

OSHOALA was the best at youth level, was one of the best players in the WORLD at club kevel. Most decorsted and accomplished at any other level, African Player of the Year in record number and even closest to being the best in the world.


It shouldnt even be up to debate, but in this space, tainted views from prejudicial lens are the basis of most comments..

Schemerkhiz:
The GOAT of Nigeria and Africa Women’s football.

Perpetua Nkwocha…

I can’t say much about her Coaching career right now as there is no public information about that..

Your own choice. Asisat Oshoala is objectively the greatest female player to come out of Africa.

BascoVanVeli:
Bringing up Atletico excludes you from this conversation, respectfully.

Respectfully...... i"m not a conversationist here so im not into arguements. I just reacted to your assertion that Peace Efih was a better talent than Rasheedat Ajibade.. to show you its just your opinion which you have a right to.. its not backed by facts, time and evolution both in club performances and the national team cadres.

Rasheedat is currently the SF captain and has been consistent with effort and performances.. even in the conversation for best female baller in Africa

BascoVanVeli:
Peace on the spotlight over Ajibade? Rasheedat that played U17 and U20 World Cups in the same year. Even at her 2nd U20 WC they switched the whole attack up because she was too slow to play on the wing. Rash was given all the advantages over everyone else. At the end it worked out but let's not change history now.

What kind of argument is this? so Rasheedat was specifically giving advantages ? what of their club performances too...was Rasheedat given advantages at Athletico Madrid back to back till she was signed by PSG too?

these are just your personal biases basco...their individual club evolution and national team performances DEFINITELY prove that Rasheedat was much better than Peace by miles

Meliforme:
Osimhen to Lookman: It is not all about goals, it is about teamwork.
Simeone to Lookman: We acknowledge your goals, however we are more concerned about your overall performance.

If the idea conveyed is still lost on you, then i wash my hands comot your matter.

oga your premise was wrong from the start. Osimhen was angry with bruno for not passing and lookman only intervened. His sin was telling Osimhen to relax that he has scored already. Osimhen never accused lookman of been selfish, there clash was on the thing said during intervention.

Lookman still has one of the highest assist rate among our forwards. THe thing is you dont liste to people, just fixated along your line of thought and its prejudice.

Miggs:
It truly is embarassing
I have some foreign acquaintances including white folks who have asked me severally why Nigerians love Trump and far-right personalities so much.
I am always lost for words

if you notice, its mostly igbos and some brainwashed christian fanatics who ignorantly think they are defending Christianity, not considering it would affect, alienate and terrorise millions of Christians who are non white and also Americans

komekn:
Let's get over the Nigerian thing.

You are not 🚫 more patriotic and or Nigerian than me.

It would have been more helpful if you were specific about players and the claim of prejudice. (Prejudice is an irrational unfair dislike, negative, bias against an idea or persons.)

I am not emotive sentimental and or inclined to blatant favouritism. I do not create a set of variables excluded from the general accepted standards in football ⚽ to assess Nigerian players in exclusion.

It's been claimed by several delusional devoid of rational misguided contributors. That I dislike VO , I simply don't think he is world class.

When he was younger at Wolfsburg I said he need to reinvent himself, get a footballing education and development in a lower league and club to get him career back 🔙 on track. I said that over 7 years ago.

Many called that HATE but that's exactly what he did to get where he is now. That's practical constructive criticism and repositioning it's positive not negative.

From the onset I said Chukwueze was all flash and dribbling with no end product. I remember I compared him with Jadon Sancho and Saka many screamed 😱 he was better than those players and called it HATE of Nigerian players.

KC I said was over hyped 😞 many said he was the best in Europe that he was better than Mbappe and Gabriel J., I said he was a poor quality quintessential number 9 and he didn't have those attributes. I even said Solanke who was doing nothing at Liverpool FC was a better fit for a Number 9. I said the true test will be when he leaves the Manchester city who made him look much better than he was.

He left Manchester city , Leicester city bought him to compete with Vardy as a quintessential number 9. Well he failed comprehensively one good season in Leicester the rest well below 👇🏿 average. He failed in the championship and is now in Seville doing what 🥴.

Would you call that prejudice and HATE or just outright measured objective appraisal no sentiment involved.

I called Isaab Success a DISGRACE a waste man he even got overweight and was fighting prostitute's in a hotel in London. His football ⚽ abysmal.

I had not time for the Iroko tree that Sadiq Umar his atnics in Glasgow rangers very poor. He is now in LJ a Liga doing what 🤔

Finally the big one to crown it all Nwakali the solution player for the Nigerian midfield. What a big joke 🤣

Tell me one British Nigerian origin player that I have mentioned that once he wasn't performing l mentioned again. Players like Iorfa, Aneke, Onyedinma, Oviemuno, Onomah, etc Surprisingly all these players have done or are doing much better than Nwakali.

Nwakali is in Barnsley FC has made the bench once in 7 games is yet to play a game for the club. I did say Nwakali midfield maestro Will not make it in a League one team.

I think there is huge unbridled blatant bigoted double standard and hypocrisy here.

I am involved believe it or not with English football ⚽ with coaches, clubs , players, managers, agents, recruitment heads, etc and so that perspective is going to reflect in my deductions. That is not prejudice and bias just informed objectivity.

I get your point. I understand better your view of things.

MainJoe:
The EPL player has history with England. It is easier to market him. This is basic knowledge. It is easier to market Kaden Braithwaite to an English Club than market a Nigerian born super star to England.

The coach has made his explanation clear as daylight. He is talking about Kelechi Nwakali not fitting into the ENGLISH GAME (KICK AND RUSH FOOTBALL). Kelechi Nwakali was never built for that kind of football.

Finito.

Really shameless. So KC cant fit in the English game because its kick and follow. How come he couldn't fit in the Spanish and Portuguese league enough to get a decent team??. It takes a bigger man to accept when he doesn't get it right...but lesser men will continue to hold on to their delusions till they go under.

komekn:
You seen quite balanced and I am not a public figure that requires fans.

Can you tell me where I am prejidiced please

For one, you seem to have a prejudice about Nigeria and anything that comes from it. You denigrate Nigeria and nigerians at any opportunity so it is expected it will affect homegrown footballers. You prejudicially inject your version of politics and governance in this sport thread so many times when its unnecessary.

You have a right to your opinions, but believe it or not many of your opinions are based on prejudice. I am not a man of many words, so i wont argue or prove anything in a back and forth... you can take it as my opinion...so nothing spoil. Regards

komekn:
I remember very clearly how you used the misinterpretation of statistics to mislead and misinform .

You did this with your midfield maestro Nwakali shamelessly for 5 years non 🛑 stop . He is the best midfielder in the Portuguese first division you claimed.

Trying to elevate your emotive ego based supposed analysis as quality objective appraisal.

You did similar with KC the most lethal and best finisher in Europe you once again spuriously claimed.

This was played out again for several years even with the preponderous of overwhelming facts to the contrary. You kept going with this blatantly false narrative.

You have started with Ejuke again, a player continuously dribbling without end product amounts to wind and fresh air.

I know you have your cheerleaders who actually believe the nonsense you push out from your twisted imagination. So you will probably not 🛑 stop it's in your DNA 🧬.

hmmm....as a casual observer over the years on this thread i cant fault this comment.

I am not a fan of Komekn and i think he is prejudiced on many fronts, but you cant deny the truth in this comment .

Nwakali was pushed as the maestro and the solution to the elevation of the SE, but logically, his career and progression never supported that assertion. Many people on here are pushed by emotions and ego...

Amedino99:
you've seen komekn call professional footballers wastemen but aribo seems to be your limit.

Didn't know this was about Komekn and the subtle battle going on here...i just found calling for the sack of a prominent member of our national team to be distasteful

ChrisKels:
If Southampton are really serious and want to remain in the EPL, then they have to do away with deadwoods like Aribo. They need to get really good players because players like Aribo can never keep them in the EPL.

This guy just likes to talk anyhow. For a guy thats a stalwart of this thread that seeks to promote nigerian football, this is some crass talk about a national team player. Agreed Aribo might have lost some form, how about encouraging and urging him on to improve.

A player that was good enough and performing in the highest level to get noticed and invited to SE, now a dead wood and should be sacked from a team he obviously helped in achieving ptomotion to the prem...shows a dark minded individual

You are just here for cruise and not a love for Nigerian football or its footballers. Thats why i mind my saniity and just read and pass on this thread most times...but this discrepit post was too hard to just read and pass

komekn:
You are being one sided.

TheGoodJoe is a gentleman most times and you will not see gutter language and vitriolic rhetoric coming from him.

However, TheSuperDelusional one is completely different his over inflated ego and style of consistent abuse to anybody who doesn't agree with him his there for all to see.

Abuse and lies should not be served here continuously by some.

Sugarboy is not exonerated but you cannot be accusing somebody of abuse and denigration in isolation. And then pretend others are saints.

That's selective and biased and far from fair, bad 😔 behaviour, abuse and gutter language should be condemned irrespective of who does it.

This is correct....for some of us who just read and pass

sureleads:
Chief you are saying different things oo.....

You agreed with those who are saying she is very poor and unreliable. Very poor and unreliable means not good enough, plain and simple.

Can she improve??,,definitely. Every player can and needs to improve. You are sugarcoating it now to make it look you guys want her to be the best...but those you agreed with are painting a picture of Oshoala as a deficient player, just lucky due to the Barcelona team and doesn't even deserve all that.....they were even supporting and justifying she should be benched, left out or replaced in Barcelona and the national team.

Is that who you now say you wanted her to be the best? thats you guys covering your hate in disguise. She has attracted so much respect to the NT and the country and she totally deserve our respect and support.

It is the irony for me....a player you guys are saying is deficient, very poor and unreliable at striking, keeps topping the scoring charts and getting nominated as one of the world best,,,shows you guys dont know what you are talking about.

Harping on missed chances, those that are not missing chances, why are they not outscoring her??. As it is now, she is one of the best in the world. You and those you agree with have been condemning her relentlessly, painting her as a natural poor player and over dramatizing her misses

Imagine the insult of saying a decorated striker needs to get a personal striking coach cos she is so poor...so how did she become a decorated striker in the first place.. In China, In International Competitions back to back, and in Spain back to back { before you guys say she is only enjoying Barcelona grace}.She ended up in Barcelona at the first place cos she is that good.

Imagine the stomach turning insult...if she reads the takes of you and those you agree with, she will regard you guys as stupid and haters..and she will be correct

Oga, what she needs is just to be completely injury free, play consistently for a while to regain full fitness and sharpness and she will be back to her best. If you are objective at all, this is what you will see than just been myopic and see only her misses in front of goal

Repeating that line of converting chances and percentages over and over again is childish and highly subjective...there are no stats to back it up but your personal opinions and your imaginations ...please stop with that. strikers are judged at the end of the day with number of goals against the number of matches played...at the end of the day, she tops the scoring chart and ratio...year in, year out,

From front page., a real informed opinion goes thus'


[b]Likewise, Oshoala has earned her nomination in the female category due to her exceptional contributions to Barcelona Femeni and the Super Falcons.

In the 2021-22 season, she emerged as the top scorer, amassing 20 goals and providing four assists in 19 Spanish Liga F appearances.

In the 2022-23 season, Oshoala continued her impressive form, tallying 21 goals and three assists in 28 domestic league appearances and adding five goals in all nine Women’s Champions League matches.

Despite facing challenges of low match fitness, she made a significant impact at the Women’s World Cup by scoring a crucial goal against the Australian Matildas, securing victory for Randy Waldrum’s team.

Oshoala is now eyeing the 2023 Women’s Ballon d’Or, competing with other football stars who have excelled in their respective leagues and countries.

Both Osimhen and Oshoala have brought pride to the Nigerian football community with their outstanding achievements, giving fans plenty to cheer about.[/b]

Deltamani:
I didn’t say she didn’t deserve been selected or nominated for the Award, All I’m saying is she isn’t Clinical in front of goal and need to do more so she can be the best or top3 among the elite Finishers. She misses allot of Chances which the fans are complaining about..

So you think if Oshoala gets 50 chances for example and Converts 30 to 35 of them i would complain? Never 👎

Chief you are saying different things oo.....

You agreed with those who are saying she is very poor and unreliable. Very poor and unreliable means not good enough, plain and simple.

Can she improve??,,definitely. Every player can and needs to improve. You are sugarcoating it now to make it look you guys want her to be the best...but those you agreed with are painting a picture of Oshoala as a deficient player, just lucky due to the Barcelona team and doesn't even deserve all that.....they were even supporting and justifying she should be benched, left out or replaced in Barcelona and the national team.

Is that who you now say you wanted her to be the best? thats you guys covering your hate in disguise. She has attracted so much respect to the NT and the country and she totally deserve our respect and support.

It is the irony for me....a player you guys are saying is deficient, very poor and unreliable at striking, keeps topping the scoring charts and getting nominated as one of the world best,,,shows you guys dont know what you are talking about.

Harping on missed chances, those that are not missing chances, why are they not outscoring her??. As it is now, she is one of the best in the world. You and those you agree with have been condemning her relentlessly, painting her as a natural poor player and over dramatizing her misses

Imagine the insult of saying a decorated striker needs to get a personal striking coach cos she is so poor...so how did she become a decorated striker in the first place.. In China, In International Competitions back to back, and in Spain back to back { before you guys say she is only enjoying Barcelona grace}.She ended up in Barcelona at the first place cos she is that good.

Imagine the stomach turning insult...if she reads the takes of you and those you agree with, she will regard you guys as stupid and haters..and she will be correct

Oga, what she needs is just to be completely injury free, play consistently for a while to regain full fitness and sharpness and she will be back to her best. If you are objective at all, this is what you will see than just been myopic and see only her misses in front of goal

Repeating that line of converting chances and percentages over and over again is childish and highly subjective...there are no stats to back it up but your personal opinions and your imaginations ...please stop with that. strikers are judged at the end of the day with number of goals against the number of matches played...at the end of the day, she tops the scoring chart and ratio...year in, year out,

Deltamani:
I believe those persons ain’t lying cause Asisat[b] Finishing has been her major setback injuries aside[/b]… If she can convert half or more than half of the chances she gets I bet she should be winning the Ballon’d’or or better still finish top 3..

Again I haven’t seen anyone here saying she isn’t good but Poor in finishing even though she ends up been Barcelona Top Scorer at the end of the seasons..

So those persons aint lying?? ok

So if her primary role as a striker is to finish, and she is so poor in finishing...then she has to be poor at her job. Then, how come actual professional football players and coaches and experts see her as one of the best in the world, where there are literally hundreds of strikers from all across the world, and the best especially in Africa

How can someone you say is very poor and unreliable at finishing { so much so that you think she needs to be taught how to finish by a personal trainer}, be acclaimed as one of the best in the world { by actual proffesionals} essentially as a finisher??

Deltamani:
At 28yrs she still have years ahead of her to play at the top Clubs in the World, Maybe she should get a personal Coaching to work on her Finishing so she can increase her tally at the end of each season…

I swear if Oshoala da convert at least 60/70% of those chances she should be getting 40 to 50 goals a season

OK sir,,

Just one quick question. So, if as a striker which she is, and she is so poor at her job of striking, so much so that she needs a personal trainer as you advised, how come she is been selected AGAIN as a balon dor candidate...essentially one of the best in the world at her trade,,

Please help us understand sir

Deltamani:
Asisat Oshoala has been nominated for the 2022/23 Women's Ballon D'or! 💙❤️🇳🇬🦅

Na so....yet some self deluding armchair popcorn munching, pseudo soccer experts will not stop disturbing us to believe that she is poor in finishing and not reliable at all.If they call them haters, they quickly deny and take offence. I guess the real soccer experts who keep nominating her back to back are blind and thoughtless.

Or maybe our so called in house, self claimed intelligent analyst need to take a sit, shut the hell up, and learn.