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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muhammad Needed To Be Violent In Preaching Islam by talkingtruth(op): 8:16pm On Jan 15, 2016

XaintJoel20:
Educating and revealing... Thanks a million OP. I know those sons of Allah will come up with baseless defence...

Thanks too. You are welcome.

Islam › Re: Why Muslims Don't Forgive One Another. by talkingtruth: 8:13pm On Jan 15, 2016

tartar9:
go and sleep.you have nothing to say.

Trash !

Islam › Re: Why Muslims Don't Forgive One Another. by talkingtruth: 7:32pm On Jan 15, 2016

tartar9:
so what is wrong with that

But once called it evil not to forgive.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muhammad Needed To Be Violent In Preaching Islam by talkingtruth(op): 7:21pm On Jan 15, 2016

zeetyzin:
Lol...get u facts ryt bro.
Lemme knw when u have concrete facts, not mere assumptions....till then, peace

Didn't you read the OP ?

What do you mean by assumption?

Then tell me, why was Muhammad so violent in his mission?

Again, let's hear your opinion on the LIE told by the islamic Gabriel and other points raised.

Christianity Etc › Why Muhammad Needed To Be Violent In Preaching Islam by talkingtruth(op): 6:57pm On Jan 15, 2016*

There are many quranic verses and hadiths that point to the fact that Muhammad was violent in going about preaching islam. It is the only religion that is seen doing so. Up till date, those who believe in his way of spreading islam are violent as well. Let's examine the following hadith and we shall discover why Muhammad needed to be violent.

Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:

Narrated 'Aisha:

The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it[b] and asked him to read.[/b] The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added) , "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous...up to..... ..that which he knew not." (96.15)

Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?"Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza bin Qusai. Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, "O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew." Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" The Prophet described whatever he had seen.

Now, let's analyze the hadith with a view to bringing out some salient points:

1. Gabriel introduced islam with VIOLENCE, pressing Muhammad thrice almost to point of death each time. That was a practical example to him on how to go about his new assignment, violence. Muhammad was an illiterate man, forcing him to read is most unjustifiable. Besides, Gabriel didn't come with any document for reading.

There were some other people who had contact with angel Gabriel in the Bible, including Mary the mother of Jesus. When Gabriel met with those people, there was no report of torture, i.e severe punishment. He would tell them "Fear not". Why would the same Gabriel meet with Muhammad, pressing him thrice almost to death point? No doubt, islamic Gabriel is not the Gabriel of the Bible. Not only that, the revelations (quran) he brought contradicted the existing Scripture.

2. Muhammad came from the family of idol worshiper. His father's name was Abdullai, which means servant of allahh. As idol worshipers, the allahh they serve must be an idol. Muhammad went to Hira to worship the same allahh alone. But suddenly, the truth descended on him to continue the worship the same allahh. It then means Muhammad was already a worshiper allahh as an idol of his father before islam. When did allahh change from being an idol to the true God?

3. When Gabriel appeared to Muhammad, the first thing he said was "Read" or "Iqra". He didn't come with any document to be read neither had he taught him what to recite. What did he expect him to read or recite?So, it means Gabriel started the quranic revelations with a LIE by commanding him to read when there was nothing to read or recite when he had not taught him anything to be recited.

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Islam › Re: Why Muslims Don't Forgive One Another. by talkingtruth: 4:34pm On Jan 15, 2016

Annunaki:
And is allaah not an evil being

He truly is.

A god that commanded his prophet (Quran 9:29) to fight the people of God must be evil.

Islam › Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by talkingtruth: 4:24pm On Jan 15, 2016

VomeSchakleton:
How old was mary when she became pregnant with jesus?

When the true angel Gabriel told Mary she was going to be pregnant of Jesus, she asked ''how will that be since I knew no man''. This shows she was of the right age to know man, unlike Aisha, a six years old baby girl.

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Islam › Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by talkingtruth: 4:19pm On Jan 15, 2016

VomeSchakleton:
and who was god while he was dead?

God was God.

Jesus died as a man but lives as a Spirit.

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Islam › Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by talkingtruth: 4:11pm On Jan 15, 2016

plappville:
Mohammed is suffering now in hell for what he has caused the world to go through. See how the arabs are killing themselves. Nothing good has ever comes from the arabs. Even before Muhammad. Egypt was before Muhammad. She is a sign of sin in the bible. Go do a research. You will come here and give testimony.

truthman2012 is banned.

Not only Muhammad is in hell, all dead muslims are also in hell. That is the promise of allahh for them:

Quran 3:185] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. WHOSO IS REMOVED FROM THE FIRE AND IS MADE TO ENTER PARADISE, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion.

According to allahh, all muslims go straight to hell at death waiting for the Resurrection Day before some of them will be removed. Despite this clear quranic statement, muslims are still bent on islam. The truth is, what qualifies them to go to hell first will make them remain there forever. It is a pity.

Islam › Re: Why Muslims Don't Forgive One Another. by talkingtruth: 2:04pm On Jan 15, 2016

tartar9:
you're talking nonsense human.if someone wrongs you,you have the option of taking him to a Shariah court or forgiving him.what society can exist without that Justice.

It still boils down to retaliation if you have the option of taking the persons that wrongs you to sharia court, which you earlier called evil.

Islam › Re: Why Muslims Don't Forgive One Another. by talkingtruth: 1:59pm On Jan 15, 2016

PRACTICAL EXAMPLES OF RETALIATIONS AS PERMITTED IN ISLAM:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/retaliation.htm

Taking revenge is islamic.

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Islam › Re: Why Boko Haram Turned To Mosques Bombing by talkingtruth: 1:52pm On Jan 15, 2016

Annunaki:
Their commentaries are always full of lies and depending on the agenda of the author designed to use kitman to conceal or justify vile acts in the quoran whilst blaming christians and jews for the evil they commit. Last time I read a tasfir, I almost puked. The lies in it were so glaring and I was amazed at the audacity of the 'scholar' who wrote it but then again I remembered being a muslim he is supposed to lie to further the cause of islam.

True talk !!!

Islam › Re: Why Muslims Don't Forgive One Another. by talkingtruth: 1:37pm On Jan 15, 2016

tartar9:
was that his question?
only an evil being will forbid justice.

Since allahh permits retaliation, he definitely intends to pitch man again the WILL of the true God.

It is in the Sharia law that you can take revenge. How do you justify that vis-a-vis your statement?

Islam › Re: Hijab: Why Do Muslim Women Hide Faces From Men? by talkingtruth: 11:11am On Jan 15, 2016

reallest:
Islam is one of if not the most barbaric religion ever exist, I don't know why any sane man will believe dat poo

Islam › Re: Why Boko Haram Turned To Mosques Bombing by talkingtruth: 10:28am On Jan 15, 2016

mamsong9:
If you read those verses with their commentaries you would understand. but because you are a Christian you can never go to that extend.

Which commentaries?

The contradictions are so clear that if anybody comments otherwise, he must be a liar.

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Islam › Re: Why Muslims Are So Sexually Active by talkingtruth: 10:10am On Jan 15, 2016

Annunaki:
Nothing can be worse than islam.

truthman2012 is banned.

Islam › Re: Since The Death Of Muhammad, Allah Is No More Speaking by talkingtruth: 10:07am On Jan 15, 2016

Mimiamal:
Tel me why did u believe in the book of Moses,psalm and Torah?why did u accept them as prophets? Pls behave your self and stop the insult.

Quran is not credible because it is the revelation of one man not confirmed by any other person. The Bible has records of various prophets with consistent messages but quran with a different message has only one receiver, which needs further confirmations.

The Bible says from the testimony of TWO or MORE the TRUTH shall be established (John 8:17)

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Islam › Re: Why Muslims Are So Sexually Active by talkingtruth: 9:44am On Jan 15, 2016

parisbookaddict:
There are some many Wierd stories in the hadiths. Yeah he slept with the dead body so the his aunt will be giving prophets Wife's privileges in paradise.
He also said in the any muslim who sleeps with an animal must wash his genit.als and he is good to go. Because of this rap.e of goats and camels is very popular in the middle east. On of the top 10 internet search in 2014 from Saudi Arabia was animal porn. Yazach , tartar9 don't partake this habit with ur Arab brothers.

Traditional idolatry is more decent than islamic idolatry. Even though both are idolatry, islamic one is worse.

Islam › Re: Why Muslims Don't Forgive One Another. by talkingtruth: 9:41am On Jan 15, 2016

tartar9:
are you blind or you couldn't see that it encourages forgiving; "but if you are patient, it will certainly be best for those who are patient"

Does allahh permit retaliation or not ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Does Allah Choose As Messengers? by talkingtruth(op): 9:10am On May 17, 2015

Empiree:
And again...your God was circumcised

Luke 2:21New International Version (NIV)

On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.

You sure this is God?

Your God circumcised like you and I

Like this

Off topic for lack of defence.

Is that the reason the quran is full of glaring LIES?

Were angels not sent before Muhammad was born? Why is allahh lying if not to deceive?

You can't understand the nature of Jesus as you are a carnal man. He came as a man, subject to human conditions.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Does Allah Choose As Messengers? by talkingtruth(op): 9:58pm On May 16, 2015

POPdecorator:
yes he's a messenger to all mankind

angel were send to prophect while prophect were send to human kind

or angel sent to mankind in ur buybull?

What is the meaning of this jargon?

Was Mary a prophet when angel Gabriel visited her?

Was Hagai a prophet when an angel visited her?

All these and other angelic ministrations had happened, yet allahh said he only sent men as messengers, no angels before Muhammad. Smh!

What that simply means is that allahh was not the sender of the angels. Who is he?

You guys lack intelligence, brainwashed or hypnotized. May God deliver you from islamic manipulations.

Islam › Re: Islamic Medical Science: Wrong Science by talkingtruth: 9:39pm On May 16, 2015

Empiree:
oh this thread, it's DOA. Very simple and clear verses. What is the point clarifying clarity. Trying to convince you is like pouring water in a basket.

Hey!!!

Liar.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do We Need To Prepare For Ramadan? (must Read) by talkingtruth: 8:37pm On May 16, 2015

You guys have virtually abandoned your section because it is dead. That is what happens to any town that doesn't allow strangers.

Islam › Re: Islamic Medical Science: Wrong Science by talkingtruth: 8:24pm On May 16, 2015

Empiree:
you know nothing.

You know much and that is why you could not defend your religion in:

https://www.nairaland.com/2317388/does-allah-choose-messengers

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Does Allah Choose As Messengers? by talkingtruth(op): 8:19pm On May 16, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Muslims Get Upset When People Call Them Terrorists? by talkingtruth: 8:15pm On May 16, 2015

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off
their heads and strike off every
fingertip of them" No
reasonable person would
interpret this to mean a
spiritual struggle.

My people, what is the meaning of that verse?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Reason Why Our Prayer Is Not Being Answer And The Solution!!! Pleased Read by talkingtruth: 7:59pm On May 16, 2015

Good!
Educative!
Faith stimulating!
God bless you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Who Talks About Hating Islam by talkingtruth(op): 7:43pm On May 16, 2015

gatiano:
Hello

Muslims, pagans, atheists meeting point is satan, and the christians and fake jews meeting point is God, right?
Does your bible even teach or say anything concrete about God or satan? No, except that the bible describes both as things or entity you can't see, it describes them as spirits. Calling God spirit (alone) is the greatest sin against the Creator.

You will still have to learn how to identify and get the knowledge of God, of yourself and of the devil. It is of a paramount importance to your survival of both your body and soul, Your spirit can takecare of Himself/Herself.

Firstly- I'M A MUSLIM!

Secondly, If all other believe in false god (which is true in most cases), what makes you believe that yours is true? Is there anything concrete you can tell me about Him?

The Chapter and verse that you quote from is nice, But i do not understand why you don't know or understand the meaning of the word "FIGHT", It is quite easy, get all the synonyms of the word either from a dictionary or online. It will improve and develop both of our vocabularies.

Now, understanding the meaning of "Fight" concretely, I can now give you an example.

Very recently, A lot of countries and states have legalize homosexuality, What do you think about it?
The powers that be tried to enforce it on A Country like Ours "Nigeria", What do you think We should do, considering the fact that they are going to saction us in some sector of the economy?
Should we accept it or struggle against it?
One of the synonyms of Fight is Struggle.

What is the meaning of your ''fight''? This is islamic meaning of ''fight'':

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off
their heads and strike off every
fingertip of them"

That is the verse of terrorism for you. .....''strike off their heads and their fingertips''.

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Islam › Re: Islamic Medical Science: Wrong Science by talkingtruth: 7:28pm On May 16, 2015

Empiree:
Okay, so will you embrace Islam if albaqir give you dawah(introduce you to Islam?). Because you have acknowledged him as true mMuslim

Me? Never!

What I have known about shia muslims will give me a guide on how to discuss with them. Period.

Islam › Re: Islamic Medical Science: Wrong Science by talkingtruth: 6:41pm On May 16, 2015

true2god:
Yes he is a shia muslim. They (shia) seem to be more truthful than the saudi-led evil sunnis.

Okay, noted.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Who Talks About Hating Islam by talkingtruth(op): 6:22pm On May 16, 2015

gatiano:
Get a copy of a Quran in English, its free online, read few pages and tell me where it says anything bad in the quran. and i would like you to show where it is stated that Muslims should kill without reason. Do not quote me a line, Quote me a complete sentence. and also not the hadith.
There is wisdom is the aged.

Firstly, I know you are not a muslim. But the muslims, atheists and pagans have a meeting point: Satan.

The deity that is responsible for atheists not to believe in God is also responsible for muslims and pagan to believe in false god. This is why atheists, pagans, freethinkers have soft spot for islam.

Qur'an (9:29) - " Fight those who
believe not in Allah nor the Last
Day, nor hold that forbidden
which hath been forbidden by
Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of
Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay
the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued."

You are qualified to be killed by muslims as a non-muslim.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslim Who Talks About Hating Islam by talkingtruth(op): 5:57pm On May 16, 2015

gatiano:
I bet you have never seen a Quran before.

What is the meaning of this?
You must be too old for this type of discussion.

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