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Rilwayne001:
what is biabia?


Ran away from a thread? which?

Rilwayne001:
lmao

You are OYO

Rilwayne001:
Salamm bro. Even though I agreed with the rest of your posts, but citing wikiislam (an anti-islam website) is not good enough.

talkingtruth:
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malvisguy212:
a wise man who cannot discern lies is indeed a foolish man. Allah say he did not send angel prior to the coming of muhammed meaning angel Gabriel was sent by the true God and not Allah.

malvisguy212:
a wise man who cannot discern lies is indeed a foolish man. Allah say he did not send angel prior to the coming of muhammed meaning angel Gabriel was sent by the true God and not Allah.

malvisguy212:
honestly, in Islam I don't think there is forgiveness for sinners, the muslim brother hatred for infidels is soo much, comperd to what Jesus say here;

Matthew 5:43-48
Love for Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love
your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and
pray for those who persecute you, 45
that you may be children of your Father
in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on
the evil and the good, and sends rain on
the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 IF
YOU LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU,WHAT
REWARD WILL YOU GET ?ARE NOT EVEN TAX COLLECTORS DOING THAT? 47 And if you greet
only your own people, what are you
doing more than others? Do not even
pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore,
as your heavenly Father is perfect.


AbuuUsaamah if you love thoes who love you, what is your reward? Are not the pagan doing that? The pagan even do more than that.if you see a pagan who is more merciful than you are, then you need to go back to your religious book and search for the problem of you hatred. The true God love sinners and want them to repent, but He hate sin.

AbuuUsaamah:
What do I say to you except that Allah guide you. People have said worse than you just said. I pray you don't realize it only after you'll have breathed your last.

AbuuUsaamah:
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Thank you so much my brother, Empiree, for your observation. May Allah love you. By Allah, I do not give a damn about the OP's feeling! I am one of those who are soft and merciful towards my Muslim brothers and sisters, but hard on the infidels. I practise the sunnah; I grow my beards, I practice nisfussaq (hanging the hem of my trousers halfway between the knee and the ankle), and I even dip flies in my food whenever they fall in it. I love the Prophet and I'm proud of his sunnah! And let me repeat this: I am hard on the infidels!!!

So don't think I'm an apologetic Muslim. I did not say all that I said because I had a feeling of complex practising the sunnah, or because I felt the sunnah was not for the modern day Muslim. Rather, I said them because I knew what I was saying.

Now, the main issue: Is there wisdom in everything the prophet says? Wallahi, there is. But mind you, I say, if it is outside the realm of how to worship Allah, or issues which are solely of the deen, then it is investigable. I repeat, it is investigable. Whatever the prophet says outside 'how to worship Allah' is investigable, but valid till it is proven otherwise.

Let me bring this closer to you - Although, I can't remember the hadith verbatim - when the prophet saw some people planting the date (dabinu in Hausa) seeds in a way that they would separate the seeds from each other, he asked them to plant the seeds together and the people obeyed him. But when it was time for harvest, they went back to him and said: "O prophet of Allah, the dates you asked us to grow in that particular manner you mentioned did not grow at all" and he replied them saying: "I only advised you, you are more knowledgeable of the issues of your worldly life".
"أنتم أعلم بأمور دنياكم. "
This hadeeth is classified as saheeh by Al 'alaamah al-albaaniyy.


Take not of that remark " you are more knowledgeable of the issues of your worldly life". What was he trying to say? It was that Allah had not sent him to teach them how to plant dates, and on a bigger scale, how to attend to the pure issues of this worldy life, which include, but not restricted to : farming, engineering and medicine.

Understand this brother; when the prophet told them to plant in that manner, he didn't say Allah ordered them to. And wallahi, if he had said so, there'd be no doubt as to whether it was the best way of planting the seeds or not, because Allah knows everything but the prophet doesn't.

This issue, clearly, was not an issue of how to worship Allah, where one might say that he definitely was correct, without having to investigate. After all, when Allah said in the Quran that: " the prophet does not talk out of his desires, except that it was revealed to him by Allah. " [Chapter 53, verse 3], if Allah had meant that there was nothing the prophet said that he had not revealed to him, it would mean that in this issue of planting the dates as well, It had been revealed to him, and at the end of the day, he was wrong, which would imply that Allah too was wrong. It is clear from this verse that what Allah intended was issues of the deen; how to worship Allah and everything that relates to that.

This was however an issue of the worldly life. So I say - and I have my Salaf in this saying - that the prophet can make mistakes when it comes to worldly issues. This is also the response of the permanent committee for Islamic affairs in the KSA when they were asked if the Prophet ever made mistakes. Please check 'Islam q and a' for this issue.

The prophet was not a medical doctor. And as much as I love the prophetic medicine, I always say that if orthodox medicine scientifically faults anything in it, I would go for orthodox. Mind you, I said if it scientifically 'faults'. Do not compare the Prophet with orthodox doctors when it comes to medicine, or compare him with engineers when it comes to how to build a house. That is not the prophet's realm, his realm is basically how to teach us to earn Allah's pleasure in this world and the next.

All I've said does not mean that I do not believe in prophetic Medicine. I do, as long as orthodox medicine does not fault it. I repeat, the prophet wasn't a doctor or engineer. He did not come to teach us engineering or medicine. He came to teach us our deen.

Please understand this; As regards the issue of dipping flies in my food, I have done that so many times because I believe what the prophet said, and I have never researched this issue from the medical aspect. But if one day, I get convincing proof that it is medically wrong, I will drop it.

Up till now, I have not gotten that proof and I do not even believe the OP's claim. So dipping flies in my food remains as a sunnah, and I will continue doing it. And to you OP, I don't give a damn about how you feel about it.
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Empiree:
I am trying to diagnose what your problem is exactly. Can you tell?

Empiree:
What exactly is confusing to you in the verses you quoted?. There are messangers among human like Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad(PBUT).

There are also messangers among Angels like Jubril(Gabriel), Mikail(Michael), Israfil, and Asrail. They have their assorted tasks. So what's confusing you?

Empiree:
who told you that?. You are a christian so you have no idea of classification of hadith. So go and take your sit. @ underlined, that's just you opinion. Take your sit

Empiree:
I said this on the first page actually

@underlined, is talking about if hadith is Sound, Good, Weak, Fabricated. I am not in position to really say whether it's a fabricated hadith or not. And I dont know its classification either. I have to check that. alBaqir could be right though. And if it's a fabricated hadith, (which probably the case) because of the verse of Quran quouted by baqir, then it's not from the prophet(saw). And Allah knows best

As for what to do with it, well, it stays there. Maybe in another century, it will vanish. Hadith resembles Bible where different folks narrated stuff. But hey, even hadith is more reliable than Bible because most hadith narrators are known by their first and last names. No offence intended.

malvisguy212:
can you imagine the boy? he was misinterpreting Allah command, he was trying to say sahih bukari do not translated it well, I don't even know if muslims understand the context of there quran because the quran was not arrange in a chronological way. May God open there eyes.

Hope the ban was not long?

shahydbinaliyu:
laughing... you no nothing about your religion, you know nothing about Islam, we teach you about it and you refuse.. you wey no know Jesus real name and language he spoke when he was alive a go dey follow argue... smh.. park well.. go bring your pastor to come debate with me

shahydbinaliyu:
no wonder you a christian... foolish idiot

AbuuUsaamah:
This is the type of news I love; the type that really hits the infidels. Infidels be like: another one again? *develops HBP*

By the will and grace of Allah, this will be her last religion; the same way it was for Cat Stevens and Loon, aka Chauncey Lamont Hawkins.

By Allah, this religion shall spread to all corners of the world in spite of those that want to destroy it, both inside it and outside it- haters keep hating.

They want to extinguish the light of Allah, and Allah will perfect and complete His light, even tho the infidels hate that.
[Surah 51, verse 8]

Proud Muslims in the house, can I get a thousand likes for Islam?

malvisguy212:
what nonsense is this? This is to show that you don't even know what you are saying, the context was talking about muslims in the afterlife the quran called them PIOUS muslims and you are saying "NO,they are hypocrites" infacte you are the most bias and deluded muslims I have ever chat with, the very same hadith say muhammed will be the first to cross over, and you are saying those in hell are hypocrites meaning that include muhammed( admits, you don't know what you are explaining here)
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12,
Number 770:

... Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a
bridge) will be laid across HELL and
I (MUHAMMED) shall be the first
amongst the Apostles to cross it
with my followers. Nobody except
the Apostles will then be able to
speak and they will be saying then, ‘O
Allah! SAVE US . O Allah SAVE US....

Here muhammed is said to be the first to came out from hell and the muslims in general were crying" save us,save us"going by your explanation,those who are in hell are the hypocrites including muhammed.

This is the truth;

Surah 19:72: “Then (Thumma) We
shall rescue those who kept from evil,
and leave the evil-doers crouching
there.” (Pickthall)
“Afterwards (Thumma) we will
deliver those who shall have been
PIOUS, but we will leave the ungodly
therein on their knees.” (Sale)

Which dictionary you read that say pious are hypocrites?this is Foolishness
Keep on believing in lies. Or maby Allah is wrong for saying this (offcorse he is the devil) or this verse is satanic verse? Or the verse was abrogated? Debunked himself!!!

shahydbinaliyu:
before i read about it in hadith's av seen it in Chinese film... eating flies isn't odd.. it's hadith's that make me understand why to eat it... understand?

Abuamam:
You mean YOU couldn't.

Ok let me clarify for you, you tried to imply by quoting the KJV version, that 'vision' meant those devil sent daydreams that all those 'pastors' use to scam gullible people; and that 'perish' means to go to hell. I showed you what the alternative translations state, to enable you to see that your interpretation of the meaning is grossly twisted.

Abuamam:
Wings are parts. Dipping the wings dips all parts.

I don't know where you got that 'most diseases are from the legs and saliva' theory. The pathogens have a special preference for legs?

If the fly fell in my drink, then the human excreta and other dirts carried by its BODY will already be in my drink. So I will dip it to ensure I get the antidotes, as I truly believe the words of the prophet (saw). That is the honest truth... even if you don't like it.

Your turn...

How often do flies walk with their legs carrying 'human excreta and other dirt' on your food and utensils when you are eating, especially like in a roadside buka? Do you throw the food away? Be honest with yourself for once.

Abuamam:
Lol. And who makes you twist Bible verses to achieve your own ends?

New International Version
Where there is no revelation, people cast off restraint; but blessed is the one who heeds wisdom's instruction.

New Living Translation
When people do not accept divine guidance, they run wild. But whoever obeys the law is joyful.

English Standard Version
Where there is no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint, but blessed is he who keeps the law.

New American Standard Bible
Where there is no vision, the people are unrestrained, But happy is he who keeps the law.

King James Bible
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Without revelation people run wild, but one who listens to instruction will be happy.

International Standard Version
Without prophetic vision, people abandon restraint, but those who obey the Law are happy.

NET Bible
When there is no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint, but the one who keeps the law, blessed is he!

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In the multitude of the evil ones a people is breached and he that keeps the law is blessed.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Without prophetic vision people run wild, but blessed are those who follow [God's] teachings.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Without prophetic vision, the people shall perish, but he that keeps the law is blessed.

King James 2000 Bible
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keeps the law, happy is he.

American King James Version
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keeps the law, happy is he.

American Standard Version
Where there is no vision, the people cast off restraint; But he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

Douay-Rheims Bible
When prophecy shall fail, the people shall be scattered abroad: but he that keepeth the law is blessed.

Darby Bible Translation
Where there is no vision the people cast off restraint; but happy is he that keepeth the law.

English Revised Version
Where there is no vision, the people cast off restraint: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

Webster's Bible Translation
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

World English Bible
Where there is no revelation, the people cast off restraint; but one who keeps the law is blessed.

Young's Literal Translation
Without a Vision is a people made naked, And whoso is keeping the law, O his happiness!

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 18. - Where there is no vision, the people perish; rather, cast off restraint, become ungovernable, cannot be reined in (Exodus 32:22, 25). "Vision" (chazon), prophecy in its widest sense, denotes the revelation of God's will made through agents, which directed the course of events, and was intended to be coordinate with the supreme secular authority. The prophets were the instructors of the people in Divine things, standing witnesses of the truth and power of religion, teaching a higher than mere human morality. The fatal effect of the absence of such revelation of God's will is stated to be confusion, disorder, and rebellion; the people, uncontrolled, fall into grievous excesses, which nothing but high principles can restrain.

We do believe that special prophets and messengers were sent with revelations for divine guidance; like the prophet Jesus (as) and prophet Muhammad (as). We just don't believe that it is the common privilege of every Enoch, Ayo, Chris and Temitope.

Oh, and did I mention that it is we who keep God's law; that's what makes us Muslims; we did not abandon His laws to live under an imaginary state of 'grace'. It shows who is really following the right visions and who is perishing.

Besides, if visions were a visa to heaven, witches and fetish priests will be the first to get there.

Abuamam:
Surely you don't believe that we Muslims are gullible or foolish enough to believe all those 419 aspiring tithe collecters and private jet speculators? I am shocked to think that you believe that of a MUSLIM. Xtians believe them, not we, (which is why xtians pay tithe, not we). We pray to be among the companions of the prophet (saw) in jannat al firdaus; insha Allah, bi qudratillah. Though you unbelievers may hate that.



Because conscious Muslims are not susceptible to Satan's wiles. He only gives his 'visions' to those he knows are gullible enough to be deceived by them.



Allah has given us all that we need to know to defeat Satan, through the prophets He sent to us, and finally, the Quran He has revealed to the final prophet (saw). He does not send visions to every Tom, Dick and Harry, precisely because He KNOWS the kind of confusion this would cause; every scammer claiming to have seen 'vision' as in xtianity. Allah has closed the door on such potential Devil's playground.

As an aside, different pentecostal vision seers have seen practically every xtian priest or pastor in hell (depending on the seer's denomination); from the Pope, to Adeboye, Oyaks and TB Joshua. So how do your visions reduce your confusion?

Abuamam:
The fact remains that diseases can be found on parts of its surface, and antidotes to those diseases on other parts. The advice is to dip the whole, so as to ensure that the antidote is also left behind along with the disease. Simple.



It makes no sense to look for, catch a fly and dip it in your drink, and no-one; least of all the prophet (saw); said you should. The hadith says...

"If a fly FALLS in your drink..."

The assumption is that the fly falls in accidentally, then you make sure you get the antidote along with the disease.



I would do it if a fly fell in my drink, because I trust his words implicitly. Having said that, if some Muslims; or even all; do not follow his advice, it does not lessen the truth or value of it. If all smokers ignore the advice of the surgeon general, does that make smoking good for health? Reason properly; don't follow the 3 stooges in your reasoning.



If your prayer is to the Almighty Creator, then a resounding AMEN to that, and I pray that He delivers you too; seeing that you polytheist 'people of the book' are more urgently in need of it than we who already strive to worship Him alone.

EzioAuditore:
There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. AT THAT TIME THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE as mere skeletons..............

How this buffoon came at the conclusion below I don't know.


ALL muslims including Muhammad will be in hell till Resurrection Day before they the pious will be removed; lucky are you if you are counted to be removed.

Empiree:
yes, i think. I think Abuamam and popdecorator opened separate threads on it. I just glanced through quickly yesterday but did not read details. https://www.nairaland.com/2313729/scientific-evidence-support-islamic-medicine#2313729.4 and this https://www.nairaland.com/2314635/prophet-muhammads-hadith-fly-confirmed