₦airaland Forum

Me_Aboki: @talktimi:

Yep, you made some good points, though I do not agree with you entirely
First of all the Presidency did not dissociated itself from Asari Dokubo's utterances until after a protracted delay and most importantly well after TDW interview with the press.
Secondly, the ND cannot be all that peaceful considering the fact that not more than a few weeks ago some militants were still making threats and made good their promise with the kidnapping and murder of about 13 policemen or so, whose decomposing bodies were later discovered in a shallow grave - sure there may be fewer checkpoints now than before due to the relative calm in the ND area; but sorry, hurriedly buried murdered policemen don't usually turn up like that under peaceful conditions.
As for the issue of force, well even America, the most powerful country with the best military, has so far not been able to successfully defeat terrorist insurgents by brute force; just look at their records in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
They are failing not because of lack of firepower but due to its application, which often amounts to collective punishment by also hurting the innocent civilian population they had set out to protect. Until the American or any other military can come up with a more surgical approach capable of only targeting the terrorists without civilian casualty, then brute force alone will continue to be counter productive because eventually more and more erstwhile peaceful civilians would be driven into the ranks of the terrorists by the urge for revenge against the brutality of their so called protectors.
The battle for hearts and minds is often lost because the soldiers frequently vent their anger on civilians especially when they themselves get casualties; they also often disregard or disrespect local customs, religion and traditions by mishandling women & children or even committing criminal acts such as rape and robbery e.g. during house to house search - which in turn alienates them further away from their civilian hosts.
The way forward is by carrot and stick: the carrot being the offer of amnesty and the stick being measured military force (applied in accordance with acceptable rules of engagement) to persuade the stubborn amongst them back to the negotiating table. I am glad to note that the FG is still leaving the option of amnesty open - which is the right thing to do.

yove also made some valuable points bt let me set some things straight.

The presidency disociated its self from the rantings of that bufoon Dokubo waaay before TDW's interview with the Nation newspapers.
The ND is actually a very peaceful region compared to what was on ground from the early to mid 2000's, no need to start explaining what really prompted the Niger Delta insurgency except that I will say people like dr Peter Odili and Abiye Sekibo should be rotting in jail by now for what they did in Rivers state. No matter what many Amaechi haters might say, he should be commended for bringing the reign of impunity in Rivers state to an end. The issue of those 19 policemen killed in Bayelsa state some weeks back has been overflogged in different fora and I have said it again and again, it wasn't a MEND hit but some aggrieved ex militants who had been short changed by their "General" and got information that he will attend his mother's funeral disguised as a police man to avoid being killed by his boys, unfortunately for the policemen, the information leaked out while the general changed his mind. MEND just took advantage to claim the mayhem. In how many ND states do you hear of any militant crisis now ? Bayelsa is a no go area to cultists now especially those who want to forment trouble. The community where this despicable killings took place is presently under military occupation.
I wouldn't want to compare the Nigerian situation with what America is doing in Afghanistan or Iraq for example, the U.S is a foreign occupational force in those instances who really have no business in those countries whatsoever apart from the percuniary gains they obviously hope to achieve for themselves and so I support the SoE with the use of full military might, I also demand that GEJ should release the names of BH sponsors he says he has in his administration and also the names of those the security agencies have obviously sent to him no matter whose ox is gored by tribal sentiments or politically. I can't support this carrot and stick approach you're advocating because it has been in play already for a long time and it has obviously not been effective, the present and former governors of those states created a monster that has snowballed out of proportions and we're paying the price for it now with the blood and sweat of our soldiers and innocent citizens killed across all the volatile states.
We should as a people demand the presidency and security agencies to release the names and effect the arrest of ALL boko haram sponsors, a few days back in the dailies, the army released a statement whereby an ordinary orange seller was arrested with around 600 million naira in his account, boko haram is not an uprising borne out of poverty but rather out of political sadism by those who promised to make the country "ungovernable" for the Goodluck administration.

PEACE

UncleJJ: SHUTUP - You are a scoundrel, liar and a dimwit. Nothing , you have said makes any sense. The professor made statement's and supported with facts. Your just another guy, talking with emotion's. Terrible liar...

hey Boy Alinco, u don baff today ? I know you had a troubled childhood but that doesn't mean you should vent your frustration on nairaland.
By the way, I saw yor profile pix and realised the source of your anger. You sir are the personification of a proper scoundrel

ACN and their abracadabra but why did the senators have to go against the jagaban and lie mohammed ?

Opinions are free sha

Mr David West got it wrong on Dokubo, even the presidency has dis associated itself from the rantings of this ex militant but I totally agree with him on EK Clark the self proclaimed "Ijaw national leader" and have always said he's (Clark) is the worst friend GEJ can have arond him at any moment mostly because of his self serving unguarded utterances.
How can TDWest possibly say peace hasn't been achieved in the niger delta ? Crass irresponsibility if I may say so myself, I guess his opinion of peace was the days of Ateke boys vs Asari boys, Greenlanders vs Icelander, deybam vs deywell all with sophisticated weapons and daylight mayhem, now you harldy see the military on patrols but you also hardly hear of any gunfight or mini wars as was the case in the mid 2000's, on the BH issue, he also got it wrong like many people out there who have this romantic belief that BH arose because of the underdevelopment in the north. It is on open record that some (ex) state governors armed these boys for election purposes, its also on open record that some politicians (Atiku for one) openly promised to make this country ungovernable if GEJ won the 2011 elections where I support mr david west is GEJ should release the names of BH sponsors in his cabinet at least so we can know where we're starting from.
GEJ called boko haram ghosts and with reason, prominent people in Nigeria's polity like the Sltan of Sokoto asked for amnesty for these boys and the boys (BH) say they don't want the amnesty, in fact the FG should even beg for amnesty for themselves, the BH openly said the only way therell be peace is if the president converts to islam, the country is islamized and controlled under sharia law. What would you have done in this case ? Any room for peaceful dialogue had effectively been locked by these BH terrorists and so you can't come out here spouting "constructive criticism" when you've openly said you'll "never support him" the contex meaning even if hedoes excellently well in govt.

PS ; Mandela stayed only one term in office

OP sha Sorry for your life

Clueless journalism

Its rather too early for assessment, wait for a few months down the line.

thelastPope: Why do some of you ACN people think you must talk down on anything done outside of Lagos? It is very pathetic. You smell of hatred and bitterness. It seems you will get ulcer if other parts of Nigeria develop. Witchcraft!

abeg don't mind the bad belle pieces of s#it infested people with their bad belle bigotry infested minds. Once again, did Enugu or SE people complain about the FTZ ? There was a town hall meeting today, why didn't you evil lot go and complain that a FTZ isn't needed in Enugu?

The dogs are out, are Enugu people complaining about the FTZ promise ?

Rochas the $1 million thief for president ? Yeah right

AssoJnr: hw I wish de were invalid @ least for ur sake, bt no way talkimi dunce fool. catch fun fooling around

smh

The international community is simply trying to replicate the carnage in Libya and Syria in Nigeria. I don't know if its to make sure their 2015 disintegration prophecy occurs by force or if GEJ's administration foreign policies aren't favorable to them. The 2012 fuel subsidy protests were supposedto be the perfect camouflage to start the orchestrated mayhem but it simply didn't work out as it turned into a jamboree for the most part but when I look at Syria, I get scared at the striking similarities wit what's going on here.

Free Al-Mustapha NOW

AssoJnr: I never knew that that was ur ancestral name, hmmmmm Talkimi Dunce fine name. fool

doesnt change the fact that you're still a verified dunce, your assertions about me are invalid.

AssoJnr: na lie b4? abeee na stick dem careee?

Dunce

Akanbi_edu: This is a reason to like Tinubu as a leader. He is not afraid to speak up when things are not right even if his opinion is unpopular.

his opinion isn't unpopular but demented.

idupaul: If thing were working right I believe U have questions to answer on the waterway murder of 19 policemen.. Its is clear you are a dangerous character

YAAAAAWN cry me a river...

bloggernaija: Is that an opinion or a clear case of misrepresenting the facts?more intelligent people actually read the declaration of the state of emergency as a knee jerk reaction of a president who want to be seen as tough , hand-on and doing something ,considering the sheer amount of bad news coming out of nigeria. From the killing of police officers in nassarawa and bayelsa to the continuous mayhem in borno ,yobe etc. It is obvious to any casual observer that there has been a power vacuum and dereliction of duty by the commander in chief.also include ,an almost total institutional collapse.
The only thing keeping the southwest and southeast peaceful are traditional institutions , not the federal or state institutions.
Have you seen the police stations ,army barracks,police vehicles etc in these areas? Have you seen the equipment they have to fight with?have you heard of anything being done for the people of those communities?you would have expected to see blast walls and sand bag protecting federal and state institution ,armoured personnel carriers as a means of transportation .
However I am very sure that northern elites actually encouraged the president to declare the SOE. The terrorists were already decimating their power base . In public, they will disagree , in private,they will support.IT IS CALLED PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.
What would I do?
1 intelligence and surveillance - spies,analysts,database etc
2rapid response swat units
3flexible and highly mobile special forces who can remain in the field for weeks on end
4proper equipment for the security forces
5protection and security for moderate imams
6counter propaganda by giving voices to moderate imam ,victims of boko haram
7setting up a radio station/tv station for 6 above.
8 arrest/confiscation of violent sermons in cd/cassette format made by violent militant imams and which are openly distributed in the north.
9 identification of boko haram's command structure.
10wanted dead or alive poster,bill boards etc of the core boko haram command structure.
11nothing beats this,Good governance

nice points although there are some grey areas there where I could raise argument but I was actually emphasizing on the part where mr osunoriginal insults the people of the SE, I mean such black hatred of another persons tribe shouldn't exist in this century talk less of coming from an adult.

nairalad: Ex millitant "soldiers" are still members of MEND

get a life

tpia@:
Killing of police officers is more associated with mend elements, stop lying.

and I am saying this slaughter wasn't a MEND operation just the same way I said a police officer escaped and 1 million naira was never paid, MEND just latched on to it "luckily"(sic) as it happened. The boys who pulled that hit were ex "soldiers" of a militant leader who had been short changing themof their amnesty payments and they got reliable info that he would go to his mother's burial dressed like a police officer and in the midst of police men. He had severally been warned and threatened not to attend his mother's burial if he didn't settle with his boys. So this isn't a MEND hit no matter what the media says

idupaul: Didn't some Niger Delta Militants kill 19 policemen recently after MEND made threats to commence hostilities.. This is how u carry bigotism up and down .. Oya go kill Eggon people now like U can , Nonsense!!!!

niger delta militants killed 19 police officers doesn't mean MEND pulled the hit, I've told you before, stop talking about things you know nothing about. Ask politely if you need information and stop exhibiting your daftness.

PS ; I never said anything about killing the Egon or any other peoples, but your blind stvpidity is hiding the fact that you're actually the bigot here. Well, what does one expect from someone who only has b*alls behind the security of a computer screen ?

If the slab was cracked right through the center, then I would have been worried but in this particular case, there's no real concern or damage to fear.

RIP to the dead, I'm loving this home video in 3d sha. These guys should just remember Amaechi learnt a lot of street smarts from the long yrs of Odili/Sekibo power wars. Quite unfortunate that Soboma George is dead if not the battle would have been more interesting by now