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KingOKON:
Yeah keep smoking d Ogane weed

UGBE634:
The authority itself is in line with what I have said, The authority stated there is a primary meaning. Because there is a primary meaning which means God, The Word cannot be mentioned and a Bini man would go thinking you mean the Ooni when there is a primary meaning. You have to add Uhe which he is situated in order to distinguish if it is the almighty God you are talking about or the god of Ife

UGBE634:
I said what I wrote earlier was correct, You can reference whichever Binis you want to reference, what I have stated is the gospel truth. Etin was here a while ago and never Objected

TAO11:
According to a renowned lexicon of the Bini language, the Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ (i.e. ọghẹnẹ) has its etymology from the Yoruba word ɔ[ɣ]ɔni (i.e. ọ[gh]ọni)

The first screenshot shows this clearly where it says: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”

The second screenshot shows the abbreviations used and their respective meanings, to the effect that the statement “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni” is equivalent to saying that:

The Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ has its etymology (cf.) from the Yoruba (Yor.) word, ɔ[ɣ]ɔni (ɔɔni).

Reference:
H. Melzian, A Concise Dictionary of the Bini Language of Southern Nigeria.

UGBE634:
That is what it means ma, at least there are not less than three million Binis today, some have corrected me in the past on one or two errors, I await their correction

Olu317:
Which of the mail add do you use often ? Let me ask you a question overthere

macof:
As far as you affiliate with Benin kingdom you are Bini in this conversation.


And you have the exact miscreant mentality Bini youths are known for on the Internet especially on this forum.
Cry me a river deal with my points by making a superior argument. I broke down those words, show how my break down is wrong, don't cry on my mentions mr. Truth

KingOKON:
Smoke some more Ogane weed you go see am

KingOKON:
See am

KingOKON:
Another Ogane weed smoker we saw during the Ogane immortal period

KingOKON:
[s]And when my colleagues sees you smoking Ogane spiritual weed, no escape at all, at all[/s]

KingOKON:
[s]Every time I see you and others Immortal Ogane weed smoking machines[/s]

KingOKON:
[s]Weed smoking with the "eyes dare not see" Ogane of a king must really be the Bomb[/s]

RedboneSmith:
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I've been seeing Edo people claiming the Udo in Onitsha is a deification of an Edo town. I never see where a whole town was deified before oh. So some people will be somewhere worshipping Ibadan or Auchi or Tokyo. Wawu! I said I should point it out now before this piece of falsehood becomes codified in Edo historical orthodoxy, because e no dey hard them to turn a lie into a 'truth' (Cf. 'the Oduduwa is Ekalederhan' lie amongst others.)

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macof:
Also the presence of the potentially yoruba derived "ɔɣɔ"

KingOKON:
[s]Have you taken your dsily wrap of Ogane immortal weed [/s]

macof:
Yeah I have fixed it.

Yes that's the book

macof:
To add to the word "Ọghẹnẹ"

In southeastern Yoruba dialects it is "Ọghọnẹ" or "ɔɣɔnɛ". For example that is what the Ọ̀ọni of Ifẹ̀ is called in Ilaje
In standard Yoruba it is properly "Ọ̀wọni". You will find it written as such in older references
Break it down to its etymological origin and it is "Ọ̀wọ̀ ẹni".. Same thing in those SEY dialects "Ọghọnẹ" = "Ọghọ ọnẹ"

Ọ̀wọ̀ ẹni and Ọghọ ọnẹ could best be translated as "exalted one" or "respected one"

"oghene" as Edoid people of Bini and Urhobo call it, is safely a Yoruboid input.

It goes to show you what kind of respect and exaltation the Ooni received in this part of the world, when his title became used by urhobo to refer to God

KingOKON:
[s]Olodo Kongo oshi, MUMU wants to know Europeans in Burkina Faso/ Mali the land/River maps you know of and have seen were they drawn by your WEED smoking Ogane and his spiritual explorers?
If foreigners could set foot in Benin Kingdom and met with the Oba but failed in religious expeditions within the kingdom what then would have stopped them from 1485 to about 1895 to go looking for an Immortal King that dwarfed the Oba whose Kingdom the entire Europe knows of till today?

If kingdoms, Rivers even Prester James a fictitious character brought explorers to the deep of Africa, why won't a Suzerain of the Oba of Benin Kingdom, an immortal that eyes dare not see bring all manners to his abode?
Keep lying and smoking WEED, as you can see your SUZERAIN have started with another one in the picture below[/s]

samuk:
The enjoyment and joy your beating on nairaland by Edo people brings to thousands of people's heart have no limits.

Have you not noticed that you are the only Yoruba left defending Ife lies. Even your current supporters are too embarrassed to show their faces.

samuk:
[s]My brother you are harsh, if you continue like this you are going to reduced TAO11 to tears, that is if it has not already happened. Look at how you just walked all over her pet project like a piece of cake.

All her hours of research, copy and paste gone like a smoke. At this rate, she may not last long on nairaland, if she derail who are we going to be using to have fun on nairaland.[/s]

KingOKON:
[s]This is the nonsense BobRISKY wants to teach us[/s]

KingOKON:
[s]A WEED smoking goat to the core, what is inside that brain of yours?
If lands ( Timbukutu, Sosso,etc) and Rivers of Africa( Niger, Kongo) was drawn as early as 1385, what stops explorers from wanting to know and see the land, armies of the IMMORTAL SUZERAIN King that eyes dare not see for good 400years?
And when the Oba was finally exiled which made the Oba in lagos to be happy, why didn't the British bring the news of an immortal king to the King of England?
The Parliament/ Royals in England from time immemorial recognises the Benin Kingdom tell me where in anywhere was this WEED smoking immortal king of yours ever recognized, even Lord Lugard never heard of such nonsense until the coming of Awolowo[/s]

samuk:
[s]The significance of Uhe in Benin mythology.

Uhe in Benin means female reproductive part or virginal.

In Benin methodology, it's believed that Uhe is the passage from which God almighty sends his children to the world.

Uhe was never a geographical location in Benin myths of creation, it was certainly not Ife.

In Benin methodology the female goddess of Olokun is the greatest of all deities and gods, she is the goddess of fertility and rebirth.

How did Uhe became Ife.

After the British destroyed Benin in 1897 and Oba Ovonramwen was banished to Calabar, the British wanted to end the dynasty and replaced it with their own appointed representative in the person of Agho Obaseki, great grandfather of the current governor of Edo state. The Benin people resisted insisting that only a prince can become a legitimate Oba in Benin.

Oba Ovonramwen heir, who later became Oba Eweka 2 was in a difficult position and sort alliances with the Alaafin and Ooni of Ife who the British have favoured. This is how Benin former myths were edited/modified to accommodate the Yorubas, Uhe(Virginal/ female birth canal) became Ife in the new created Benin/Ife fairytale.

In the first version of Benin/Ife relationship that was created from Benin myths of creation:

1. Uhe (female birth canal) became Ife.

2. Oba of Benin retains his initial position in the Benin myths as the most senior son to God almighty but this time he was the most senior heir to Oduduwa through Oranmiyan. The Alaafin was the second child to Oranmiyan and the Ooni was their chief priest.

By the reign of Oba Akenzua 2, the Yorubas have modified this myths by elevating the Ooni from chief priest to become the head of all Yoruba Obas. Oba Akenzua 2 was not comfortable with this new arrangement and took his people and mid-west out of the then Western region.

As you can see below, the Benin/Ife relationship was evolved from one of Benin myths of creations, it has nothing to do with reality and real history. This is why there are no historical evidence to support it till 1897 when the it was created.

TAO11 in are limited knowledge of Benin methodology equates Uhe to Ife[/s]

KingOKON:
[s]How about Kongo?
If only u have an idea of the amount of rubbish you cook daily[/s]

KingOKON:
[s]How about Kongo? If only u have an idea of the amount of rubbish you cook daily[/s]

KingOKON:
[s]Ogane imaginary period.... Read up my earlier post more carefully while smoking ya immortal weed [/s]

samuk:
[s]The significance of Uhe in Benin mythology.

Uhe in Benin means female reproductive part or virginal.

In Benin methodology, it's believed that Uhe is the passage from which God almighty sends his children to the world.

Uhe was never a geographical location in Benin myths of creation, it was certainly not Ife.

In Benin methodology the female goddess of Olokun is the greatest of all deities and gods, she is the goddess of fertility and rebirth.

How did Uhe became Ife.

After the British destroyed Benin in 1897 and Oba Ovonramwen was banished to Calabar, the British wanted to end the dynasty and replaced it with their own appointed representative in the person of Agho Obaseki, great grandfather of the current governor of Edo state. The Benin people resisted insisting that only a prince can become a legitimate Oba in Benin.

Oba Ovonramwen heir, who later became Oba Eweka 2 was in a difficult position and sort alliances with the Alaafin and Ooni of Ife who the British have favoured. This is how Benin former myths were edited/modified to accommodate the Yorubas, Uhe(Virginal/ female birth canal) became Ife in the new created Benin/Ife fairytale.

In the first version of Benin/Ife relationship that was created from Benin myths of creation:

1. Uhe (female birth canal) became Ife.

2. Oba of Benin retains his initial position in the Benin myths as the most senior son to God almighty but this time he was the most senior heir to Oduduwa through Oranmiyan. The Alaafin was the second child to Oranmiyan and the Ooni was their chief priest.

By the reign of Oba Akenzua 2, the Yorubas have modified this myths by elevating the Ooni from chief priest to become the head of all Yoruba Obas. Oba Akenzua 2 was not comfortable with this new arrangement and took his people and mid-west out of the then Western region.

As you can see below, the Benin/Ife relationship was evolved from one of Benin myths of creations, it has nothing to do with reality and real history. This is why there are no historical evidence to support it till 1897 when the it was created.

TAO11 in are limited knowledge of Benin methodology equates Uhe to Ife[/s]

KingOKON:
[s]Go get more WEEDs so you will go beyond processing to having an analytic mentality.[/s]

KingOKON:
[s]For the above NONSENSE I score you 2 outta 10. Honestly, you are truly a WEED smoking goat.
Every 14 year old kid knows about the lander brothers, but your crack smoking WEED head knows nothing about Kongo River and the voyages made by several explorers and the years.

If Maps of Timbuktu in Mali, Sosso in Burkina Faso were drawn as early as 1375 and the myths of Niger/ Kongo Rivers having a common source drawing many explorers long before Mungo Park( he never traced it he died half way) was born could lure men, what then could have stop men wanting to see the Suzerain of the Oba of the Benin kingdom. The king with no army and "eyes dare not see" for over 400 years?

O[gh]oni Dominion, the latinized name of Ogane is more Yoruba than I expected what a wonder. Plz I want to see this map with immediate alacrity, a suzerain that doesn't exist in the timeline of Africa , West Africa, Nigeria only in a bush in southwest Nigeria brought to limelight by a politician and dubious wannabes village self acclaimed historians seeking to be relevant in African history.
If the first University was cited outside of Ibadan do you think we will be having this jargons of a chitchat.


The Oba was known in the Royals court of Europe and discussed, till tomorrow the Royal family in Lagos can only dissuss the Oba and not the Ooni ditto Onitsha, Warri, Agbor and numerous tribes.
The British sacked Benin while Abeokuta Ibadan and Ilorin rolled over not a mention of ile Ife was ever made anywhere not to talk of any " eyes dare not see" king that you WEED smoking goats claim to have been reported in the courts/ cities of Europe for over 400years.

The Europeans that met with Chiefs in Badagry, EKO, Abeokuta, Ijebu Ibadan never reported any "eyes dare not see" King. In the entire Benin Kingdom nobody knew of such nonsense even the very next door neighborhood of Modakeke till tomorrow don't and never knew of such IMMORTAL king, it is in the court of the Oba of Benin whose kingdom the world knows that it was only reported for 400years
Continue smoking your weed and be spinning history to comfort yourself[/s]

TAO11:

You are actually too foolish to be ignored.

So, I will dumb things down for you so you don’t run along screaming “obaghatokpehe” like a stray horse.

(1) The first time the River Niger was traced out from outlet to source was in the 1800s by the Landers.

(2) Park’s “discovery” of the River was the first serious attempt to trace it. And he did that in the 1790s.

(3) As such, his exploration was a boat cruise through river, not a land trip through the west African forest.

(4) Despite this foregoing fact, some early maps show River-Niger — i.e. an idealistic feature of the maps on the basis of reports obtained from coastal contacts.

(5) In fact, some of the early maps show an annotation namely the “O[gh]oni’s Dominion” [in Latin]. I have two of such maps from the 1500s.

(6) In any case, European explorers who visited early in the late-1400s, 1500s, 1600s, and 1700s were dead-scared to wade deep into the deeply forested interior.

(7) Even when they did in the 1800s, it was still a huge disaster; but clearly not as bad as it would have been in the early centuries.

(8 ) The Ogane report was from Europeans who came to the Benin area in the late 1400s, 1500s, 1600s, etc.

(9) In light of all the foregoing show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

(10) You have just one job, just this one. Now do it.

Peace!

samuk:
[s]From the beginning of time Benin and other Edoid groups such a Urhobo have always referred to God almighty in heaven as Oghene.

The Ogene she is trying to convert to Ife today was first argued by her as being part of Benin myths of creation. You can see from TAO11 submission below that Oghene clearly referred to God in heaven not Ooni of Ife.

Today, she wants to twist the myths of creation to suits her Benin/Ife fairytale.[/s]