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KingEbukasBlog:
Physicist Alexander Vilenkin said

It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape, they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning .

Even Stephen Hawking admitted that the laws of science seemed to predict the universe had a beginning, they also seemed to predict that they could not determine how the universe would have begun.

Read Stephen Hawking article on the beginning of time here : http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

If you begin to slowly move backwards in time, you'd get to a point where space and time break down, this point - a singularly is where everything as we know today is crunched closely together. This point of singularity is just there, the most fundamental form of our existence and it just is, no one knows why the singularity was there.

Now the universe as we know now is a product of that singularity, as it rapidly expanded into space-time and all matter contained in it. So technically space-time began, but the universe itself just is.

KingEbukasBlog:
I was expecting someone to mention quantum mechanics though you did so tacitly before I asked you to be explicit . Quantum mechanics just describes what takes place at the quantum level. It does not make any reference to causes, and this does not imply that there are no causal entities involved.

The description of what happens at quantum level is what is important here. At quantum level, well defined classical physical laws most definitely do not hold. Causal order is reversibly interchangeable at atomic scales because of 'superpositioning', this makes it possible for effects to essentially be their cause and vice versa. This goes against every understanding of the macro world, and good understanding of physics should tell you that the universe was operating at a quantum state over 15 billion years ago. With this only a complete merging of both quantum and macro world can offer a plausible explanation of how the universe became the way it is now.

There are no conjectures here . As far as something has a beginning it obviously implies that it was caused .

It is unknown whether the universe itself began or not. It's only known that this current state of the universe took shape some 14 billion years ago

KingEbukasBlog:
Why is it not entirely correct .

Everything is essentially a cause and an effect.
If we say for example that the horn from a car caused an accident, then the motion of everything everywhere is also a part of it. Everything leading to a final event can be classified as a cause. For example, lets say computers began to exist at a time. At what point in time or which action can we precisely say caused computers, because you have to break down every component that makes a computer and account for their causes.

At quatum mechanics, cause and effect as humans generally understand is completely obliterated. Experiment proves, incontrovertibly, that exact ideas of place and time required to make causation work simply do not exist. We can point to the physical effects which, taken as an aggregate, yield causation as an approximation, but only as an approximation. It works in common but simplified cases, not all cases.

How can you confirm that a creator does not exist based on conjectures ?

The exact same way you can confirm a creator exits because of conjectures

KingEbukasBlog:
Please note that the

a. Universe creating itself is a logical absurdity .

Absurdity based on how you understand things?....or a conclusively proven fact?

b. Infinite regress of causes is illogical and impossible

Ok

With that sorted out here's the Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

1. Whatever begins to exist must have a cause

True to an extent....but not entirely correct.

2. The universe began to exist

As far as we know.

3. Therefore , the universe has a cause

This would be true if and only if cause and effect holds both at the most fundamental level of existence and the observed level of existence, and apparently current scientific knowledge suggests that cause and effect do not hold at all levels.

Do you agree that this is a tenable argument for the existence of God ?

These are not in any way sufficient for assumption of a deity, save for confirmation that one does exist

KingEbukasBlog:
I posted this not too long ago :

The first atheists in history opposed the existence of God because they thought the universe has always been . They even ignorantly declared this . Like the charvaka school of philosophy in India believed that everything that exists is composed of fire , water , air and earth . Those guys after Diagoras of Melos promoted atheism .

There were people like Bertrand Russell posited that

The universe needs no explanation; it is “just there, and that's all

But we see superior evidence in Science confuting such egregiously ignorant statement that the universe came into being approx 14 billion years ago

The atheists through out history from the inception of atheism 2500 years have been arguing for the existence of an eternal universe and all have failed in the face of evidence .

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Don't you think atheists are doing the exact same thing you accuse theists of ?

lol, you now argue for the big bang?.........interesting

A non-eternal universe on its own is by no means an argument for a creator.

JideAmuGiaka:
Any question that's hard for the atheists to comprehend is always meaningless to them why?.

lol...you'd be engaged logically if you present a logical argument......

KingEbukasBlog:
How then are you going to know ? Or how would you come to the realization that such being exists ?

It is abosulutely not necessary for me to find out if such a being exists, it has not and would not bear any significance to my life. Im only concerned with tracing the roots of my existence in the most logical means possible.

KingEbukasBlog:
100 percent sure .

So why do you think such being does not exist ?

I simply do not know if such being exist or not. hence i refuse to assume one does.

KingEbukasBlog:
God : The extremely powerful uncaused necessarily existing non-contingent non physical immaterial eternal being who created the universe and everything in it .

How exactly are you sure such a being exists?

JideAmuGiaka:
You mean you can't handle his question?.

Honestly, his question is meaningless. How can you explicitly say something is illogically without any arguments to state why, and then ask people to counter your assertions?

KingEbukasBlog:
Hello bro ,

Atheists don't really have one voice , so its about what would compel you as an individual to abjure your atheistic beliefs . So what could that be ?

Most theist proof for gods existence rely on premises which are not necessarily correct, to force out logical consistency as a means so substantiate your beliefs. To you they are 'common sense' arguments
used to introduce god into the picture due to lack of incomplete human understanding. To you guys, these your 'arguments' logically follow but realistically they are nothing but mere assumptions, and gap fillers, on this account atheists and theists cannot find common ground. But, atleast if you guys admit to believe by faith(which you should) then it would be understood by atheists that your basis of believe is completely personal convictions and by no means an 'objective evidence'.

what you should be bothered about is proving god(s) existence.

Post on appropriate sections......btw, its just like two headed humans, wierd but not uncommon

please, how can judas iscarriot die in two different ways

wait , how true is this?.....princess leia ooo....RIP
May the force be with her.

superemmy:
Highly Educative

thanks bro.

ChiChilolo:
Wow. I usually confused wormhole with blackholes
The part you said about teleportation 200 million years. Are you serious?? That means something like quantum teleportation cant be used to transport a human from one planet 2 anoda across vast space

No it cant.......teleporting humans is millions of years ahead of our current technological capabilities. We cant even quantum teleport atoms yet.

Blackholes are'nt nice atall, they literally do not allow anything escape once in them, not even light. Ive heard of ideas that black holes are turnels to other universes.

ChiChilolo:
Could you clarify more on worm holes nd the technicalities of teleportation travel. Fyi I'm a science geek oooo.

A wormhole is a theoretical passage through space-time that could possibly connect very far distances in the universe through a turnel-like shortcut thereby making space travel shorter. It is a prediction of general relativity made by Eistein and Rosen.

This eistein-rosen bridge (as they are generally known) if they exist, are believed to have two ends or two mouths with a throat connecting them. The mouths would most likely be spheroidal. The throat might be a straight stretch, but it could also wind around, taking a longer path than a more conventional route might require.

Wormholes have never been observed in the universe, although they are a mathematical solution to einsteins field equations. A negative mass wormhole might be spotted by the way its gravity affects light that passes by.

wormholes bring with them the dangers of sudden collapse, high radiation and dangerous contact with exotic matter.

As for teleportation, scientists have suceeded in teleporting a photon across a river before, its known as quantum teleportation. But as for teleporting a human, quantum physicists believe it would take 200 million years to teleport a single person, even if the rate is 1 trillion atoms per second, even at that the energy required would be more than 10^12 gigawatt hours for 1 human, and then even if you teleport them, it would be just a copy, not the original being.

For now, teleportation is quite not feasible, i wouldnt want to use impossible.

I hope this is not too long.

superemmy:
Naija don tire you??

Na d solar system tire me oo.....btw arent you curious as to what might be out there?

superemmy:
E be like say na you wan be first person to enter spaceship waka go proxima centauri from your signature.

walahi ....even if na one way trip, i de go.

Comanche:
I see death note has the most vote so I'm going to go with that.I sure hope its worth my mb

Im pretty sure you'd enjoy it. Are you new to anime?

AfricanApple:
really? so its Japanese cartoon people are crazy for like this. no thanks. gotta stick with my regular movies

lol.....whatever makes you happy...btw do you watch regular american cartoons?

let me mark present first......brb

kryptonian1987:
hmmm.... you enjoyed it better when it's in Japanese or Chinese version with English subtitles....? Very strange though...

lol.....its ususally japanese not chinese

kryptonian1987:
they are always in Chinese or Japanese version.... tell me where I can get English dubbed, that one I might find them interesting....

well, most anime watchers , including myself prefer to watch with spoken japanesse and english subtitles....its way more interesting that way.
Btw, about where you can get english dubbed, i dont really know...i mostly get anime from friends. Maybe someone else can help...

AfricanApple:
what's this anime stuff I'm reading about? words and names sounds weird

lol.....anime is japanese cartoons ...you wanna try out one?

Ferruccio:
I am not Evange.listNdudi.
But I have obeyed all the aforementioned commandments . What then?

Good to know. now, does that make you a good or a bad person??

EvangelistNdudi:
by special grace of God, Yes
Anytime I go wrong I quickly ask for forgiveness and make amendment

Tell me, how many of these commandments have you obeyed? ...

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
I am sure this applies to all atheists and every everyone else who doesn't believe in Jesus.

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
I am sure you all remember that pastor that featured on fp a while back. In case you missed it, you can check the thread out @ https://www.nairaland.com/3234800/gary-foxcroft-saving-witches-akwa-ibom/
Apparently, this guy is actually following the words of Jehovah

Kill Homosexuals

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
This one should be easy. We already have case of Nigerians beating up Suspected homosexuals. What about you?

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
This one nko?

Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Oh, I so much love this one. In this "modern world" there are so many women who have lost their virginity before marriage. How many have you burnt?

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
How many Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc have you killed today?

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Oh dear, should I be scared of kingebukanaija and winner01?

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
All you need to do is attend a wedding ceremony on Saturday and get with it. God is behind you

etc

EvangelistNdudi:
living a lie as in you been a lier or been lie to about GOD?

My sister, I want you to ask yourself this question
Is the law and commandment in the bible (if you are a Christian) helping me to live a better life or bad life

This is one of the seed Satan is planting in the mind of people
Making them to believe that there is no God

My sister be wise and follow the right path

@ the bolded, i want you to also ask yourself this question, are you obeying all the laws by which the bible instructs you to obey?

kryptonian1987:
I hate anime, but I truly enjoyed ONE PUNCH MAN!!!!! Can someone here recommends something similar to it for me here, please? I need anime like OPM...

Bro, you dont need to like anime to enjoy death note....i know its not similar to one punch man , but a trial will convince you...

other options are:

akame ga kill
darker than black
sword art online
full metal alchemist
attack on titan
hunter x hunter
bleach
one piece
nanatsu no taizai

etc etc......

SAO was really good

Wroxxane:
Me likey, why? You don't like?

Well, its good i dont really follow but it has too much happy endings..