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TheYoda:
I think Teemy is very generous and we are getting him wrong. I think Teemy is planning to use his personal money to fund all the 40+ accounts blown. Teemy is going to fund all those accounts, then Saxy4c can go back to trading them .

Ps: What people forget here is that Teemy himself is forex guru, he's a marketer , he will exploit any opportunity to make money for himself, he doesn't really care about morals. Check his previous post about ppl with huge followers... Teemy doesn't care about no victims , Teemy cares about making some moneyyyyyy

Sure I love to make me good money, plenty sef. Who doesn't?

The key thing is to be happy with your sales and the client happy with his/her purchase. That is what is called a good win-win transaction.

However, how does my post equate to no care about the victims. Pls post and explain how you came to that conclusion. Thanks

teemy:
pipnator00, have you confirmed that in the rules they were preinformed?

any updates?

Karleb:
Actually, people he defrauded are free to drag him anytime any day.

Which would be Tom Lucas and I don't think he is interested in any dragging. Using Lucas' name could have landed him in prison if Lucas wanted it so.

Let's ask ourselves, if I was in Saxy4c's shoes and I was to undergo such village square treatment just to be accepted back at a place, I would certainly say it is surely not worth it especially as the matter will never go away despite being forgiven.

At this point Saxy4c, I recommend you forget about FTA. Take note of the lessons you've learnt. Always come out clean if you are in the wrong and don't build your foundation on lies, dishonesty or deceit. You still have the skies to reach if you work hard and abide by good MM rules. I wish you the best in your future endeavors.

Everyone else, I hope you see that going at the rate of punish punish punish will only bring out the ugliness of man within us. Let's say goodbye to saxy4c and bring this chapter of FTA to a close.

Wishing you well - Teemy

If he can't abide, he should leave.

One thing though, if he undergoes all that humiliation, NO ONE should harass him again especially if he is not doing anything fishy afterwards. Are we agreed on this?

Pipsbasketings:
@Teemy: The whip used in flogging the first wife is in the wardrobe awaiting the second wife

When you administer this measure for him, you HAVE to administer the same to previous fraudsters that he has sent out of this thread. So we all can live with them all

Else, leave it as it is - he is a fraudster like others-----Simple

It will be the standard for everybodi. You fraud, you confess at the village square

Zither:
Teemy, if that is the case then quit defending him. I, for one, like I said, am very open to giving people second chances but you defending him and seeking his continued participation without him admitting his wrongs make it seem like no one is willing to give him another chance. That's wrong.

Check out the post below. It is to ensure everyone is careful not to waste a first chance before asking for a second one.

teemy:
Restitution steps for anyone found guilty of fraudulent activity on FTA

- Admit your wrongdoing. Be specific stating each infraction.
- Let your apology be sincere. No beating around the bush trying to garner empathy.
- Apologize to any and all your action affected negatively. Be specific calling names where applicable.
- Must consent to being monitored from henceforth as a deterrent against such misdoing being repeated.
- I will not repeat xyz again.

At the moment, that is what I have been able to collapse all demands for a reforming fraudster to be. List more if needed before it becomes the standard.

Cheers

Alright, between now and tonight, let everyone drop their suggestions for restitution and suggestions for judgement if the person fails to do as demanded.

Solokool66:
my man, has it not been harsh enough? We delibrate on simple matter and make it look like a market square Jare.....

Initially when I saw the apology I was a bit happy that we are about to move.... But all I see is?
On top?? Kai

Let the whole input come in. The main thing is it MUST be acceptable to both the aggrieved and the lenient sides else it won't do the work it is meant to do. Not too harsh though but at least harsh enough to dissuade bad intentions.

Will work out the final part then.

Zither:
You actually repeated what Pipsbasketings previously outlined as conditions for Saxy4C to be given another chance to continue....and you added to it. The crux of the matter is that he (Saxy) has not done any of them. Worse, he couched his apologies to make it seem like he is the victim of unjust allegations.

Not a victim whatsoever.

I even want to add join.

- "I will not repeat xyz again" in signature for 1 week. Unfortunately, it will affect all of the person's nairaland posts. Will leave as it was before.

Solokool66:
You fit apologise?

It has to be a tough one else if it was just too easy, people will simply default and smile it away. If the cleansing of the gods is a harsh one, people will think 3 times before doing wrong.

pipnator00, have you confirmed that in the rules they were preinformed?

Zither:
I ask you, does that look like the same apology that was given here?

Compare and contrast the apologies. Always remember the picture below. There is no running away from it. Save your copy.

Of course not. That is why people are not satisfied that the so called apology is not really heartfelt like he did in his group. That is what I am working on with everyone's help right now.

Restitution steps for anyone found guilty of fraudulent activity on FTA

- Admit your wrongdoing. Be specific stating each infraction.
- Let your apology be sincere. No beating around the bush trying to garner empathy.
- Apologize to any and all your action affected negatively. Be specific calling names where applicable.
- Must consent to being monitored from henceforth as a deterrent against such misdoing being repeated.
- I will not repeat xyz again.

At the moment, that is what I have been able to collapse all demands for a reforming fraudster to be. List more if needed before it becomes the standard.

Cheers

Pipsbasketings:


Otherwise, keep it the way it is. He is a fraudster and has to go with his cohorts as others have done

This would be the judgment part. Also noted.

Karleb, in forex peace army, there is a form of trader court where even brokers are charged and any party found guilty is asked to restitute. Failure to do this and they get branded with a scam badge.

This could just be the start of our own form of it.

The restitution demands is what I am compiling which would be a standard from henceforth. Failure to comply would then lead to judgment.

pipnator00:
Was that an apology or a show of arrogance?

Point noted. 5

CopyJoe:
Now, you are talking. No individual is bigger than the thread.

Our goal is to make this thread sane and useful to Forex Traders.

Peace!!!

Am glad we are getting somewhere.

Karleb:
Why is @teemy trying albeit so hard to give saxy4c a soft landing? Trying to give a slap on the wrist punishment for fraud?

Truth is, saxy4c is now like an ex-convict.

Special attention will now be on the fellow from now on even if he comes to tender "sincere" apology.

Exactly my point.

pipnator00:
Sir I am retiring back to my shell to keep watch of what's happening here from behind.
It's already mentally upsetting what's happening to our beautiful thread and its just Monday!

Note, you didn't clarify anything about the contest. Specifically, the question I meant last time was..
Did you tell them prior to them starting the contest that they would hand over their strategies and that it would be developed into automated trading software? The question is prior to starting the contest not mid or after the contest.

I already sent you the link. Quoted the post and highlighted the parts you wanted to know about. Check out the parts I mentioned you early this morning. If you don't see it, tell me to repost it for you. I will.

Cheers.

ekesoft:
“”Am sorry for ............
Am sorry for ............
And I promise to correct my ways ,
Thanks you all for still believing in me . “”

Noted, making 4 people's demands.

Take note that all this will become rules on anyone with a guilty charge of misdeeds from here on henceforth.

So far, every demand has been reasonable. This is nice

CopyJoe:
When you are guilty of something, you admit and apologize without mincing words.

- He should admit he committed fraud.

- He should apologize genuinely. And I can guarantee you that we would have been done with all this drama by now.

I will take those as your points. Noted. That makes 3 of us.

Pls guys I need your inputs as we will be using this as a guide if ever anything similar happens in the future.

Pipnator00, I await the link.

I ran a search for thunda and teemy using Nairaland search as well as google but with no results.

Just like I clarified you about the contest, am willing to hear from you to to clarify any misthought on this one.

Karleb:
Let him state specifically what he's sorry for not one general and ambiguous apology.

Noted. That makes 2.

pipnator00:
@Teemy .. Without you knowing it, you have made yourself a person of interest to be watched with clear eyes.

Remember some time ago, you traded a demo, made so much on it but passed it on here as a real account until this lady (Thunda) called you out. (Note there is nothing wrong in trading demo account, as I am doing right now on the side which is focus on trading/learning more of indecies trading) but passing it as a real account, that's where the question mark comes in!

I am not accusing you of any wrongdoing but remember we dey (including yourself) and everyone is a sheriff (including yourself) here but that doesn't stop us from calling anyone out for any wrongdoing here.

Guys, I have to point out this pattern I have noticed with these guys with ill intentions here.. the longer, vague and incoherent their comments are, the deeper their intention to unleash evil around here.

Be watchful guys, there is already established forex followers/market here on FTA and some people may want to exploit it for some ill intentions.

I doubt the bolded. Could you please send me the link. Save a copy should you suspect I could possibly delete it.

The only thing I avoid doing is lying. Confirm the said incident or send me a link to clarify things if need be.

teemy:
How would you have wanted him to show remorse?

I am asking this question from everyone so as to hear your opinions.

For me, I say he has to work the growth part to helping back his clients' losses.

Pipsbasketings:
I'm not holding him.........You are getting on my nerves mannnnnn

Someone that gave a shady apology just yesterday and immediately slid into my dm to give me shady excuses. ZERO LEVEL OF REMORSE, this kind of man is dangerous

How would you have wanted him to show remorse?

Pipbasketings, if he leaves, there will be no more pressure on him to be accountable for his past actions.

I believe I am not the only one who saved those past pages of evidence you posted. He cannot come here to bobo anyone ever again. But, let's not allow his past to stop his future.

He still wants to be seen where he messed up. Allow him.

Pipsbasketings:
What goes around comes round, did he give those past fraudsters the opportunity you are clamoring for him, stop being partial hheuuueeeeeeeeeee

He went to the extreme of creating topics for them on his profile in order to forever deter them from FTA NL which he joined just 2yrs ish

I am aware people were hurt by his actions. There is no reverse on that and neither am I apologetic for his ways.

Can he change? Possibly

Can we monitor him? Surely

It is all a joint effort.

It is all about what happens now and the future.

Zither:
I don't understand why you guys are like this. Why are you so quick to excuse his ambiguous and subjective apology knowing that it does not in any way admit his guilt in this affair? If he is not guilty then what is he apologizing for? His statement of apology can be interpreted to mean he is not at fault but was unjustly accused. This, as a future reference, will clear him of any past dubious practice. As a result, more

Then again, I am not for entirely kicking him out of the thread but Feshizzy makes a lot of sense when he talked about potential victims in the future falling for this scam all over again. What to do? Would you fold your arms and let this thread become the capital of forex scammers? This thread that took a lot of years to build its reputation as a place of learning and equipping people to become better traders will just go down because you IGNORED one person. Others will follow suit and you must also ignore them or their half apologies otherwise you are a hypocrite.

There is nothing wrong in seeking gains for oneself but the foundation of this thread is in freely helping others and sharing ideas. If Saxy wishes to make gains from referrals he should open another thread to do that. At forexfactory he would have been flagged as a commercial member whose threads would always be moved to the commercial section of the forum.

You guys may think that Feshizzy may be dragging this matter too long but there is a saying that the only thing necessary for evil (or scam) to triumph is that good men (scam detectives) do nothing.

We will always remember the picture below. There is no running away from it. Save your copy.

Pipsbasketings:
@Teemy, I see all you type; now you forced me to quote you.

In Caps - I'm completely disappointed in you

On the other hand, I will not let this guy allow us all to turn our backs on one another but please don't force it.

You think Feshizzy is jobless - Again, I'm disappointed

My remark about feshizzy above is regards being the one who most strongly feels saxy4c should not return would need more proof of his turn around than anyone here. In the previous page, I mentioned we can all be saxy4c's parole officers. It was not a smite remark at joblessness.

Pipsbasketings:
@Teemy, I see all you type; now you forced me to quote you.

In Caps - I'm completely disappointed in you

On the other hand, I will not let this guy allow us all to turn our backs on one another but please don't force it.

You think Feshizzy is jobless - Again, I'm disappointed

We all have various emotions to spare at various times of our lives and I respect your right to be disappointed in me at the moment. With time however, you will pass on that emotion.

I am of the school of thought that someone who destroys something should rebuild it rather than given the easy way out of asking him to go thereby absolving him of any responsibility to restitute the effects of his actions.

That is why prisons are called correction facilities.

TheYoda:
What evidence do you have that Saxy4c would turn things around? you think forex is magic? if Saxy4c is passing someone account as his own, what makes you think he's not passing all these entry signals of someone else's as his own? Abi what evidence have you seen that shows you that Saxy4c knows how to trade at all?

Because as it is, he is no successful trader, because[b] a successful trader won’t steal other people’s account to pass off…[/b] I suggest you drop all dreamy, fairytales and hopes like a naive trader.

He’s prolly work in progress like so many of us traders here. Personally I don’t mind if Saxy4c continue to post, I would actually love it, but HE ALONE can redeem himself.

What I’ve seen with the support, back and forth here, I tell you guys, IF Saxy4c want to do another group trading , he will succeed, I see a lot of naivety here, even from the so called veteran traders like Teemy. I see a lot of fairytale hopes and wishes from a lot of folks here, waiting for Saxy4c to turn things around like it’s that easy to drop bad habit over night.

Ps: For new and naive traders that will still fall, at least , wait a little bit, see some real proof that things is working before jumping in again. I know say una stubborn, una no go hear LOL until another account bite the dust.

Ps: If I could tell Saxy4c anything, I’ll tell him to use this opportunity to motivate himself to be real profitable trader.

You said things I said myself but seems you missed them. You can check it up https://nairaland.com/teemy/posts

He needs to become a better trader FOR the sake of those whose monies he lost. This is part of the responsibility he has to undertake. I don't know them he does. Asking him to leave is giving him the easy way out.

One way countries take responsibility after victory at war is rebuilding the nation they destroyed. During that period, a lot of sober reflection would take place asking if it was all worth it seeing the sufferings of those they caused pain.

If saxy4c disappears from here now, there will be no way to maintain his accountability. He can just close down the group and restart with new information. While he is yet here periodically he would be questioned on his progress and this keep him on his toes as to be a better trader before talking of mentoring anyone.

Saxy4c is one of the reasons I added in the first FTA post that people should verify trade results before heading to a corner where ojuolomooto (where no eyes sees them). At least, any newcomer to the thread would be warned. If there was any other stronger words to say it again without seeming like picking on anyone, I would have added it.

Asking for proof is not too much to ask. People will still come here to market stuff. We just need to enforce a policy of asking them to show evidence. This is because no matter how much it is pasted, people will be attracted to all the rented cars, house, studio money and shots with a jet and hot babes. Once anyone is being asked for evidence and does not show it, we can flag them.

I know if he puts his mind to learning and practice, saxy4c will bounce back but he has to lay off a pre-mindset of dishonesty to covering his tracks if he trips. People are too smart past being offering bobo.

I would say let him stay and not be victimized and allow him show proof of progress that would be closely monitored. I know feshizzy will give him enough close marking to keep him from alluring anyone.

I would have said we should put this to a vote and if it is negative for him, we could ask pushkin to bar him from posting here but what is to stop him from opening a new account? Let's keep seeing him as him and watch his moves from there. The only thing should be not to victimize him and keep an open mind. He already has a huge moral obligation already on his neck. Who knows, the trading world might one day hear his resounding name one day.

Go ye and sin no more is a part we've had to listen to at one stage or the other in our lives.

We fall, we rise again.

Wishing you well - Teemy