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Logicboy03: 1) Laws against abortion do not stop abortion- they only make abortions unsafe
Death from unsafe abortions is actually higher in countries that ban abortion

The issue here is that unplanned and unwanted pregnancies will happen. Banning abortion does not solve the problem. It is just reducing one solution for the women.

Logicboy03: 2) Preaching Abstinence does not work

Logicboy03: Many christians and muslims like to preach about abstinence. They want people not to have s.ex before marriage. However, that is a lie- people will have sex before marriage even if they are believers. In fact, the bible belt states in the USA has more teen pregnancies than other states! A study actually found a relationship between teen pregnancy and religion!
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2012/04/teen-birthrates-are-way-down-still-high-these-states/1735/

Logicboy03: Furthemore, research has found out that contraceptives and a general se.x education go a long way in reducing teen pregnancies.
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/15/abstinence_isnt_working/

Here in Nigeria, we preach abstinence while we know that older men are having their way with very young girls- even as low as secondary school girls. We preach abstinence while frowning on the use of condoms and contraceptives. Very sad.

Logicboy03: 3) Contraceptives and sex education work better than abstinence only classes in reducing pregnancies/abortion
While this point has been hinted at in number 2, it is important just to reinforce it.

It is better for the youths to know the various issues surrounding sex if they fall into temptation. Telling them not to have sex is not enough. They should be given advice on how to take precaution and actions if the find themselves in certain intimate situations.

Agree 100%
[quote author=Logicboy03]4) Abortion is a women's rights issue and many developed countries have recognized this.
Yes, a woman has the right over her body. What really gives a man the right to tell a woman what to do or what not to do with a fertilized egg in her body? Of course, there are caveats to abortion, just like every other right. No one is asking for women just to abort babies whenever they feel like instead, the pro-abortion women's rights movement is making an ethical argument for a rational discussion on abortion. Pregnancy affects women in various ways and they should at least have some say in a situation that would definitely change their lives
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/mother/for_1.shtml

Logicboy03: 5) Pro-abortion or pro-choice campaigners realise that abortion is not the only solution for unwanted pregnancies.

a) Before the pregnancy/precautions
-youths should be educated on se.x, contraception and pregnancy
-abstinence should be preached but with the se.x education
-youths should have some access to contraception, especially condoms

b) After an unwanted pregnancy (other solutions)
*first step is to meet a health counselor for proper advice
-giving the child to the parents of the mother/father to raise
-giving the child to an orphanage or foster care institution
-giving the child to willing relatives
-keeping the child with an adjustment in lifestyle of the mother (after an assessment of mental, physical and financial stability)


If all the options in (b) are not viable, then abortion is the way forward

oladistinct: Mr troll, rationalmind, logicboy, amanfrommars, plaeton, texanomaly et al, i'm feeling u guys

maclatunji: What's a man to say to certain arguments?

Mr Troll: On The Other Hand.

What does "Too old for you" imply?

Mr Troll: you never do. Ask of Patrick Obiahagbon.

Mr Troll: OTOH, what makes you think I'm asking you for romantic reasons?

Mr Troll: speak verbosely. He will respond

Mr Troll: how old am I?

Mr Troll: ask him what happens when we get bored or tired of our creations, I.e God.

Mr Troll:

How old are you? No oofeinse

Mr Troll: ask Deepsight.

Mr Troll:

MEILYN: Agnostic? i didnt see that on your post earlier. I am far from agnostism. I believe in the bible with no stripe of doubt.... But count me out of any organised religion.

Mr Troll: smh. Try dictionary.com abeg.

Mr Troll: hehehehe. Careful now...

MEILYN: I am just 18 miss ...

Not atall. They will believe what i believe. Majority of Christians are hypocrites, i dont want my children indoctrinated with rubbish lies.

Secondly let me just spill it out, God hates christmas.

"I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies." (Amos 5:21).<< I hate your feast days. Tradition of men. Dictating when Christ was born. Mehn. Any Christmas day you goto Church God wont be there. I will not smell in you assemblies.

Mr Troll:
well, I created my own god and then killed him

Mr Troll: am I part of your life now?

ARareGem: I'm good, Texa. And I'm off to bed. Toddles.

Mr Troll: Turkey

MEILYN: Of all the days. Why december 25th ? Why not 26th?

Mr Troll: I thought he was a Christian

Is he not? Abi is he a black Israelite?

Mr Troll:

We need more of your type in Nigeria

Not the air-head arrogantly ignorant loud mouthed bible thumpers we have here aplenty.

Mr Troll: Nobody created god!



Oh wait....

Mr Troll:


Yep. Its official.

ARareGem: ^^ Now, that's serious. But I was the one who liked your post just now. Hello