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sonmvayina:
Man incurred death when he ate from the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil. He was told not to eat from it.
What is death? It is just a return to default setting. From Dust you where made..to dust you shall return. Nothing more.
The body becomes one with the earth while the spirit or God's breath becomes one with God.
No judgement after death....Man has already been judged. (As stated above)
We are each the same God's spirit experiencing human life in multiple ways.
Just enjoy the experience....nothing more.
Any body saying any other thing wants to steal your money or fvck your girlfriend/wife.

Yes, man did incur death by eating from the tree—but Scripture doesn’t stop there. If death were just a return to dust with no further consequence, then why would Christ speak so clearly about resurrection, judgment, and eternal life? Why would He rise from the dead at all?

Genesis speaks of physical death—“dust to dust”—but throughout the rest of the Bible, there's a clear message that life continues beyond the grave, and that our choices here matter eternally. Hebrews 9:27 says, “It is appointed unto man once to die, and after this, judgment.”

God’s breath in us isn’t just a spark for temporary experience—it’s a deposit of something eternal. Jesus didn’t die and rise just to make our earthly experience nicer; He did it to restore what was lost—relationship, purpose, and eternal life.

There is more, and the resurrection is proof that death is not the end.

StillDtruth:
You are only half right for even before God came to the earth through the Name Jesus Christ, death was a door to Judgement of eternal damnation or eternal goodness.

And nearly all of humanity were headed to Judgement of eternal damnation especially with Isreal failing to show and lead The Way!

So God came and re laid The Way again.

And now, as we see in Revelations, many found The Way and followed it.

So, No! He did not reverse the door.

When I said Christ "reversed the door," I didn’t mean He changed the final destination of death from judgment to something else in general. I meant He reversed its meaning and effect for those who are in Him.

Here’s what I mean:

Before Christ, even the faithful waited in hope (as in Luke 16, Abraham’s bosom).

The path to God was dimly lit through types and shadows—priests, sacrifices, the Law, the temple—all pointing forward.

Access to God’s presence was limited, veiled.


When Christ came, He fulfilled the Law, tore the veil, and brought immortality to light (2 Timothy 1:10). Now:

The way is no longer shadowed—it’s clearly revealed.

The fear of death is broken (Hebrews 2:15).

The promise of resurrection and eternal life is secured.


So yes, death still leads to judgment—but for the believer, that judgment has already fallen on Christ.

This truth lies at the very center of the Christian gospel. It’s what makes (Hebrews 2:14-15
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.) not only theologically rich but profoundly comforting: Jesus transformed the meaning of death forever.

1. Before Christ: Death Was a Door to Judgment

Before the coming of Christ, death cast a long shadow over humanity—not simply because it marked the end of life, but because it led to something far more fearful: God’s judgment.

Hebrews 9:27 — “It is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.”

Death brought people face to face with a holy God they had offended through sin. The conscience, as Paul writes, bears witness to this guilt (Romans 2:15), reminding each soul that something is not right—and that judgment awaits.

The result?
Humanity lived in bondage to the fear of death. Beneath every attempt at distraction, denial, or control was a deep-seated awareness: “I am not ready to stand before God.”

2. What Christ Did: He Reversed the Door

Jesus did not avoid death—He entered into it willingly and victoriously.

John 10:17–18 — “I lay down my life… I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.”

Revelation 1:18 — “I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.”

Jesus entered the grave like a warrior invading enemy territory—and emerged triumphant, holding the keys.

For those who belong to Him, the meaning of death has been forever changed.
It is no longer the threshold of judgment—it is the entrance into eternal fellowship with God.
It is not a prison door slamming shut—it is a gate flung open to true life.

After Christ: Death Becomes a Door to Life

This transformation is why Paul could say:

Philippians 1:21 — “To live is Christ, and to die is gain.”
Corinthians 5:8 — “To be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord.”

In Christ, the fear is gone. The slavery is broken. Why?

Because on the cross, Jesus bore our judgment. He exhausted the wrath of God against sin. And in His resurrection, He redefined death—not as an ending, but as a beginning.

So now, for the believer:

Death is no longer a punishment—it is a promotion.

It is not banishment from God—it is entrance into His presence.

It is not the final word—it is the start of the full, eternal story.

Let me start by saying this: there’s a difference between what was written for our information and what was written directly to us. The laws given through Moses were designed to bring order, protection, and a sense of responsibility within a specific cultural and historical context.

Jesus later clarified that some of those laws were permitted because of the hardness of people’s hearts (Matthew 19: This shows that Moses allowed certain things, not because they reflected God’s perfect will, but as a way to manage a broken, stubborn society. These laws were concessions, not ideals—given because the people weren’t yet ready to fully embrace God’s original design.

malvisguy212:
if he sin, he is not a Christian

Who says that? We live in a broken world—believers still wrestle with sin, but sin doesn't define them.


Proof your point!

RealityKings1:
In marketing, it's called "Fear Appeal ".. Fear appeal involves using persuasive messages that emphasize potential dangers or harm to motivate consumers (church members) to take a specific action, such as buying a product or service.

If the death and cult boy effects are not applied to his narrative technique, the congregation will not be feel "aura" and be ready to drop "rabba"

Very funny people!!!

Coly2012:
Chief judge of heaven, I hope you listen to the whole massage that lead to that particular statement?

Stop being blindly ignorant and following without discernment. I’m not judging — I’m simply pointing you back to what the Scriptures say, the very Word that holds the highest authority both on earth and in heaven.

Why should I watch the entire clip when I’ve already seen a summary that captures the essence of the message? More importantly, why would such a statement even come from his mouth?

Remember what the book of Ephesians says:
"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen." (Ephesians 4:29)

We are called to speak with wisdom, grace, and truth — not to excuse speech that does the opposite.

Coly2012:
The power of impact. ... You can not help lives and not be helped knowingly and unknowingly.

What kind of impact is it when someone is clearly supporting the ministry of the devil, and yet you're glorifying them? Scripture is clear on this. As John 8:44 (NIV) says:
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

What happened to the truth of Matthew 5:10-11?
"Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me."

He is promoting evil while claiming God is with him.

SeraphEl:
Let NO man deceive you and do NOT deceive yourself. For eternal salvation, you must PRODUCE GOOD FRUIT/WORKS, ENDURE AND OVERCOME TO THE END.

Scripture speaks for itself:

For eternal salvation, you MUST:

• endure to the end (to be saved), Matt 10:22
• deny yourself, take up your cross, follow Him, Mat 16:24
• bear fruit, Luke 13:9 with deeds to show, Acts 26:20
• have faith to the end, Luke 18:8; Rom 11:20-22; Heb 11:13; 1 Pet 1:9
• continue in His word, John 8:31
• remain in Him or die and be cut off, John 15:6


• overcome, 2 Peter 2:20, Rev 3:5
• keep yourself clean from the world, 1 Cor 6:9-11; Gal 5:19-20; Eph 5:5-6
• suffer with Him, Rom 8:17
• wait patiently, Rom 8:25
• hold fast the message, 1 Cor 15:2
• not give up, Gal 6:9

• continue in the faith grounded and settled and not moved away from the hope of the gospel, Col
1:23

• seek those things which are above, Col 3:1
• stand fast, hold the traditions, 2 Th 2:15
• pay close attention to yourself, and to the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this you shall
both save yourself and your hearers. 1 Tim 4:16
• endure, 2 Tim 2:12

• have fought the good fight, finished your course, kept the faith; 2 Tim 4:7
• hold fast the confidence and rejoice in hope firm to the end, Heb 3:6
• hold the beginning of your confidence steadfast to the end, Heb 3:14
• hold fast your profession, Heb 4:14

• hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering, Heb 10:23
• be chastised, Heb 12:8
• faith/salvation w/o works is dead James 2:20
• walk like He did 1 John 2:6

• retain what you have heard in the beginning, 1 John 2:24
• have confidence toward God, 1 John 3:21
• remain in the doctrine 2 John 1.9

• hold fast My name, nor deny My faith, Rev 2:13, 2 John 1:9

• hold fast what you already have, Rev 2:25
• receive, hear, hold fast, repent, and watch, Rev 3:3


THERE YOU HAVE IT. SCRIPTURE SPEAKS LOUD AND CLEAR. ANY FURTHER ARGUMENTS OUGHT TO BE QUENCHED WITH THESE AMPLE PASSAGES.

THE LORD says 'I REST MY CASE'.

Scripture indeed emphasizes both faith and the evidence of that faith through endurance, obedience, and spiritual fruit. However, it’s also important to balance this with the full counsel of God’s Word, which teaches that salvation is by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9 ,For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast). Not by works, though true faith naturally produces good works (James 2:17 -Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.).

Jesus assures eternal security to those who are His (John 10:26-29 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand). yet believers are also called to walk in holiness and remain steadfast. Rather than seeing these as opposing ideas, they work together—salvation is a gift, and those truly saved will demonstrate it through their lives.

The key is not striving in human effort alone but abiding in Christ (John 15:4-5 [4]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing).

He is the One who enables believers to endure to the end (Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ). So, rather than fear-driven perseverance, our obedience should flow from love for God (1 John 4:19 - We love him, because he first loved us.).

Newgoodkk:
Hello Brethren, Can You Categorically,Confidently and Boldly say " I'm Making Heaven " ?

Going by the Commandments of Almighty God ,His Rules ,Laws .

Galatians 5 v 19 to 21

Galatians 5 22 to 23

Accepting Christ as Personal Saviour,Being Born again ,Just having Fulfilled A standard of Gods Demands .

Can You ?

Bible Scholars ,Oya We wants to Learn.

Welcome Kobo junkie, Welcome,MaxinDHouse .
Commentators Pls Help Everyone to learn Help Enlighten us , Don't turn this to another Field of arguments and insult

Our confidence is in Christ and every word He speaks. As Jesus declares in John 10:27-29:

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

This truth is our reality.

@MaxInDHouse and delkuf, you both keep disrupting this thread with Persistent resentment. Please allow others to share messages so everyone can learn.

oridavid:
“You shall surely die in the day that you eat thereof.”

It is quite surprising that Adam did not die after eating from the tree, as God had informed him, which makes us question whether "the day" referred to something else, or if God was just bluffing.

Adam experienced spiritual death immediately upon eating the fruit. Meaning he was separated from God, lost his state of innocence, and became aware of sin. The notion of spiritual death is supported by passages like Ephesians 2:1, which describe humanity as "dead in trespasses and sins" before being made alive in Christ.

Kobojunkie:
So, you believe Jesus Christ of Israel lied there where He said that only those who are both of water and of spirit can enter into the Kingdom of God?

2. How can this spiritual birth(not sure why you deem it a rebirth) be obtained? And what value does it hold if it is to be accompanied by birth by water for it to be considered a valid passport into this Kingdom of God spoken of by Jesus Christ of Israel?

3. Baptism? Are you averse to this baptism or something?

You really need to stay silent. I've noticed that you always try to make yourself relevant by jumping into every conversation, even when you have no knowledge of the topic. Instead of contributing meaningfully, you just criticize and speak nonsense. I only respond to set you aside in our discussions. When it comes to godly matters, your input is completely irrelevant.

MiddleDimension:
Jesus said: UNLESS you are born of water..., you cannot enter into the kingdom of god

Is that what you read in your Bible? What about spiritual rebirth?

Who told you that Christ was referring to baptism in that context?

delkuf:
so because you didn't heard of anyone healed of covid 19, you are calling me a liar.

Well I cannot be arguing more on this with you.

Always support your points with evidence. Even if we were not present, your conviction will hold firm, demonstrating God's true work rather than merely defending Him. Without evidence, your words lack confidence, making it difficult for others to believe you. As Peter stated:

2 Peter 1:16-18
"For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.’
We ourselves heard this voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain."

delkuf:
I don't know why jump into conclusions. If look at the post I wrote after that post I said I never said I performed miracles during covid, now you just come and jump to conclusion. This is the second time. I never said I performed miracles during covid oooo.

Let me clarify—I’m not saying you personally heal anyone from COVID. I’m just asking, where have you heard news of someone being miraculously healed from COVID?

delkuf:
guy I wasn't talking to you na. What s your problem

My problem is that you're lying without any fear of God, and you expect us to just accept it. Yes, our God is a miracle worker, but during COVID, when the entire world was on lockdown, where is your miracles news coming from.

MiddleDimension:
😇

If you want to text, then text—stop using emojis. Let's hear your reasoning.

delkuf:
so I should be campaigning over the place abi. Didn't hear of miracles during covid 19. People that was heal from covid 19

Hello, go and sit down somewhere!

MiddleDimension:
Like their excluding children from baptism?

Is that all it takes to be in right standing with God?

MaxInDHouse:
God's blessings regarding reproduction is upon all creatures but as creatures in God's image we supposed to call Him as our father for whatever we want but due to the break in communication God only work on His own program so if Adamic sin affects anyone now to the point where he or she is born blind, deaf, lame, dwarf or impotent such a person must wait until God's Kingdom comes.
The miracles recorded in the Bible shows that God will resolve all abnormalities when His kingdom come not that everyone should start calling God to bear children like Sarah or Hannah.

Will there be childbearing in the Kingdom of God? Even in the verse you referenced before, Matthew 6:33, do these things not take place here on earth after seeking the Kingdom of God? Doesn't the Kingdom of God begin here on earth?

However, the Bible teaches in Romans 14:17:
"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

MaxInDHouse:
All right then.
In the beginning God blessed the union of Adam and Eve, their purpose is to feel the earth with human families. Genesis 1:28
The blessing is there just as animals also got the same blessing. Genesis 1:22
After the fall of man the blessing was cut short {Romans 3:23} so it's not everyone that could have children due to the curse that comes along with Adamic sin.
Yet some just get pregnant like pigs and bears children even though they don't need it.
That's why Christ Jesus never prayed for anyone seeking child birth because this is not the time to ask for such things from God rather what faithful people are concerned about now is salvation so that when they get to God's Kingdom all their hearts desires will be granted! Matthew 6:33
There is no guarantee that children born in this system will become responsible adults neither is there guarantee that they will grow old.
So a true Christian is focused on getting into God's Kingdom no matter what we have now is temporary {1Timothy 6:7} since none is sure to follow us into God's Kingdom but in God's kingdom whatever we have will be permanent. Isaiah 65:21-23
That is the real life {1Timothy 6:19} this one is filled with troubles! Matthew 6:34

I understand your points, and one key takeaway is that Adamic sin is a reason for these inconsistencies in child bearing. Does this mean that God has completely withdrawn His hand from giving babies, or do you have a different conclusion?

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not a teacher o i only pass on what i received from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES? 1Corinthans 4:7
So are you ready to LEARN from Jehovah's Witnesses?

Jehovah's Witnesses read the Bible, and I see no reason not to learn from them. All we advocate for is that every doctrine must be Christ-centered.

CoronaVirusPro:
God is controlling the population of Earth and randomly allowing babies.

If every woman could have children, Earth will be over populated and critical infrastructures will collapse.

"This means He denies those who desperately need it while giving it to those who are not ready. Even in cases of rape, pregnancies still occur. Please make justification."

Kobojunkie:
Which of the 4000 different known deities is responsible for giving you babies?

"This question isn’t for you. Let those who are knowledgeable speak. Please remain silent."

MaxInDHouse:
Where is my seat?

"I want to learn ni oh!"

If people say "God gives babies," then it raises the question of why some struggle with infertility while others, even those who may not seem prepared for parenthood, conceive easily. Since God is not partial, how do we explain this?

delkuf:
I have never said eternal life is not permanent. Please try and read with understanding. My argument with stilldtruth is that he believed that when we are saved that we automatically receive eternal life but I have been telling him that eternal life doesn't come automatically when we became born again.
This is my stand oooo. In my own thread, I said eternal life is different from everlasting life. So where did you came up with this.

Eternal life is permanent but it is different from everlasting life and it doesn't come automatically when we become saved

Bobo yii sha!!!

delkuf:
by the grace of God I cannot do anything that is false or contrary to the gospel of Christ.
I am being conscious here on nairaland. There are people here that will discredit anything of the gospel of Christ.

And concerning that my thread you stop asking questions. I cannot force things on you. So I thought you don't want me to continue. That was why I stop

With your argument, you contradict the Word of God by implying that eternal life is not truly permanent. If we were to accept your reasoning, it would mean that eternal life is temporary. However, Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice, they follow me, and I give them eternal life; no one can pluck them from my hand." If the life Christ gives is not everlasting, then His assurance that no one can take us from His hand would not be a firm and reliable statement.

If you believe otherwise, please explain eternal life to us so we can learn from you.

delkuf:
so you as a Christian believe that eternal life is a live with no termination or ending. You believe this is the only definition or knowledge of eternal life. Because this is the the interpretation of stilldtruth concerning eternal life.
Is this also your on own understanding of eternal life?

Explain what eternal life means, but you refuse. This either means you don’t know it or you want someone to support your false claim or or you’re just messing with us.

delkuf:
you see there you are wrong. I would have first ask you this question before I even engage you.
Please if truly you are a Christian, humble yourself and learn what really is eternal life. Not all this running from one thread to the other that you do here on nl. This is where glory of God start in our lives. Christ in you the hope of glory. If Christ is not you, you don't have any glory. So try and know what eternal life truly is.

To be honest, you have nothing to say. You once dragged me into a discussion you started about the difference between eternal life and everlasting life, yet you failed to present a convincing argument. Now, someone else has shared their understanding of eternal life, and you still have no valid points to prove them wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
Happily with two children but had it been i knew this before i wouldn't have children at all it will just be me and my wife like Aquila and Priscilla. Act 18:2

Lol.
May God continue to bless your home.