₦airaland Forum

ireneony:
I doubt if there are any atheist in Africa. .

Why?

KingEbukasBlog:
I want the readers to closely examine the morality of an atheist . That's why you give an answer and your reason .you know this and you are trying to dodge the question .

Jesus preached love .

Jesus also preached his desire to torture people for eternity. Jesus' father thought slavery was a good idea. He also thought killing 6 month old babies was a good idea. You know these things that Jesus and God support are bad ideas yet you're willing to think they're good ideas because your God proposed them.

KingEbukasBlog:
Honestly , I think Christian moral values influence the way an atheist sees morality . That's why you guys cringe at the mention of incest .

You may think that but you need to realize that even before your Christ was allegedly born, lots of population groups didn't think incest was a good idea.

KingEbukasBlog:
The plan worked . I'm so happy it did .

Well , If you are someone who loves good morals and wants to raise a good family , Jesus has to be the foundation for he is the source of morality . I'm afraid , atheists will raise dysfunctional families . Il post a comment I saw on dailymail - this reader was sad because of the decline of moral values in Britian . Britian was built with the Fear of God in them and now everything is upside . It wasn't a jeremiad , it was succinct - il post it later .

See thehomer , no matter how you try to project God as evil , he'll always remain good and we all know that He is good . The bible deplores slavery . And for the last time , the comeuppance for all abberants including Menstealers - kidnappers , slave traders , slave catchers - is Hell .

Am sure you were oblivious to that verse of the bible and you are angry that it condemned slavery . Face the chagrin of your defeat like a gentleman !

What plan?

Why should I think that the Jesus who sent people to hell is a reasonable foundation for morality? Your Jesus thinks it is a good idea to torture people for eternity for not believing in him.

Unless you think commanding genocide including the killing of 6 month old boys, explaining how to treat slaves and eternal torture are good ideas, then I see no reason to consider your God as being a good character.

I wasn't oblivious of that passage, I was pointing out the fact that according to the Authorized KJV, youi're adding to the Bible. Be careful or you'll add to your own punishments.

winner01:
Ok, ive heard.

This militant atheist thinks only "retarded" Christians have children. Is that why countries with high atheist populations tend to have low birthrate? Atheists a dying breed as nature 'favours faithful': "The research suggests that the key fact is simply that the more religious people are, the more children
they tend to have. This is because most religions place a high value on child-bearing, suggesting it is a holy duty. Without religion, by contrast, atheists often see far less point in having children and so have smaller families or none at all."

References: http://www.scilogs.eu/en/blog/biology-of-religion/2011-01-06/atheists-a-dying-breed-as-nature-favours-faithful-sunday-times-jan-02-2011-jonathan-leake-full-draft-version

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/11/study-more-educated-tend-to-be-more-religious-by-some-measures/

And more quote hunting and moaning that people don't like other people on the internet. You just need to grow up and state what argument it is that you wish to make.

winner01:
Another Atheist says belief in God is a "mental Illness". Next, they'll be wanting to treat you for
your 'illness'. Way to follow in the footsteps of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro.

And more quote hunting and moaning that people don't like other people on the internet. You just need to grow up and state what argument it is that you wish to make.

KingEbukasBlog:
Mao Zedong is a Chinese communist and founding father of the People's Republic of China . As we all know he led and saw through the Great Leap Forward - a social and economic campaign whose goal was to transform the country from an agrarian economy into a socialist society through rapid industrialization and collectivization. An Agrarian economy is based on the country's agricultural system - producing and maintaining crops. Funny enough Ethiopia is already adopting this system as they plan to stay ahead as Africa's fastest growing economy . This campaign lasted for three years 1958-1961 .

Mao's intentions translate to the benefits of socialism

1. The system eliminates greed

2. The Needs of Everyone are met

3. Goods are easily mobilized especially in times of disasters in order to ensure the safety and well being of every citizen affected .

4. There are no monopolistic practices . We all know how disadvantageous such practice is .

5. There are no business fluctuations . No discrimination between investment and savings and resources are readily available

So the above or more were Mao's intentions and it would put Mao's China in the forefront of civilization and development . Notably , Albeit Einstein - one of the world's greatest minds - was a supporter of socialism .

Effects of His Intentions

1. Great Chinese Famine which ended the lives of millions of people plus the torture given to millions who were not complying to Mao's vision .

2. It was estimated that 1 to 3 million people committed suicide

3. Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'

4. China actually did experience economic growth at some point

5. He revolutionized midwifery, saving the lives of countless rural women and their babies, in addition to giving women the ability to get divorced.

6. The Chinese praise Mao for the efforts he made . Without His efforts , there wouldn't have been a new China

7. Mao understood that the pernicious power of Confucianism was permeating Chinese society and hindering its advancement, so he tried to combat it by launching mass movements, culminating in the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in 1966.

8 . China’s rail system, which depended on coal driven trains, suffered - this made life difficult for the Chinese during that time .

So I ask ... Is Mao Zendong a good or an evil man ? As a christian , the obvious answer is NO but to an atheist his morality is contentious . Their intelligent answers will obviously help us scrutinize subjective morality - the type of morality all atheists subscribe to .

Answers from Seun, Plaetton , Johnydon22 ilovetheline, JackBizzle, Kay17, AgentOfAllah, Ayomikun37 , hahn , sonOfLucifer , frank317 muskeeto , Decker , PastorAIO , ValentineMary , Pyrrho , braithwaite , dragonEmperor , theoneJabulani , lepasharon , cloudgoddess , ifenes , brigance , stephenmorris , thehomer , dalaman

No circumlocution , give your answer and reason please .

Don't know and don't care but if you think he was evil, your God is worse. What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

KingEbukasBlog:
Until you tell me if Mao was good or evil , I wont reply you . But you are needed here bro -.> https://www.nairaland.com/3202859/nairaland-atheists-incest-right-wrong

I've already said I don't know. Do you want me to know stuff that I don't know?

If you like, assume he was evil. What is your point? If you assume he was good, what would your point then be?

KingEbukasBlog:
Incest is sexual activity between family members or close relatives. This typically includes sexual activity between people in a consanguineous relationship. Atheists subscribe to subjective morality, so the question should not be a problem.

When I mean sexual activity , I mean consensual sexual activity just for the pleasure and not for procreation .

A more lucid question : Would you sleep with your mum if it is consensual ?

Who says atheists agree with the idea of subjective morality? It can even mean different things to different people.

You're really obsessed with incest when there are pretty clear examples of evil activities permitted by your God like slavery.

felixomor:
That bible must be called "the homer" version. Wow, so much for enslavement.

No, the Bible is th Authorized King James Version of the Christian Bible.

felixomor:
No matter how you choose to twist the bible or take it out of context, there is no place in the bible that God approved slavery.
If you are talking about things people did in the bible and using it as basis to veto it as God's approval, thats pure fallacy!
For example Abraham lied in the bible, that does not mean God's approval of it.
There is only one solution: please read the bible completely before attempting to state facts. You will only end up in fallacies if u continue that way.
If you dont have the patience to read it thoroughly, then rest.

I've read the Bible but I don't think you have. It looks like you don't know what is in your own Bible. Take the time to read it. Your God gave directions on who can be enslaved, how to enslave them and how to treat slaves.

If you don't have the patience to read your Bible thoroughly, then rest.

KingEbukaNaija:
Lol . You need to wake up to reality . You are drowned in the illusion atheism is creating , by the time the effect wears off , it might be too late .

And you've drowned in the illusion of Christianity with the belief that whatever your God says is right. That's why you think slavery is a good idea.

KingEbukaNaija:
There's definately something wrong with you because that bible verse explicitly mentioned the punishment for slave traders

Your deception does not escape me. The Bible verse didn't say that, you and your ilk just added it. It said kidnappers in the Authorized KJV. Your God wasn't against slavery unless he's schizophrenic and thought it was a good idea in the Old Testament.

KingEbukaNaija:
You have a difficulty in reasoning not me . I remember when I asked you if Mao was evil or not after I presented the benefits and shortcomings of his dictatorial reign and your reply was that you didn't know . Do you now remember ?

I reciprocated the response and you are here describing yourself . I know how to deal with your type

You said you didn't know slavery is immoral. You didn't copy me, you revealed your inability to see what is evil and that is the conclusion arrived at from your answer. Not many people will say they're ignorant abot whether or not slavery is immoral. It takes a certain kind of person to claim ignorance about something like that.

KingEbukaNaija:
Homosexuality is wrong because the law giver said so . God never granted them such sexual orientation , they chose to see themselves that way . There is no verifiable scientific explanation for homosexuality - it's a choice .

In that case, you think slavery is right because that same God said so. This too means that with religion, any sort of evil can be justified. Even the acts that you despise can be said to be right because your God once expressed support for them.

KingEbukaNaija:
The fact that people have been purged of such predilections without any recrudescence through the mighty power of GOD makes it evident that he never granted anyone such . Stop trying to cozen the innocent minds with your pathetic lies and cavils .

Wow. Such idiocy with some SAT words sprinkled in. If he didn't grant it, how were they that way since their formative years? People didn't learn to be heterosexual so what makes you think they learned to be homosexual?

KingEbukaNaija:
Since you are an atheist let me ask you ; why are incest and beastiality wrong ? Why ? Why is it wrong to have consensual sex with your sister ? Tell me , talk to me , leave me in awe at your brilliance . Why is it wrong to derive gratification from sexual acts with the pets you love and take care of .

There are various arguments against them but you know what? I don't care about them. If you want to do that, that's your business as long as all parties are consenting and happy with it.

Now, why is slavery moral according to your God?

KingEbukaNaija:
God is the giver and taker of life . So there is no such thing as accusing God for taking a life . He owes you no explanation in fact .

Actually, he does owe me a lot of explanations if he expects me to obey him, worship him or think he is a moral being.

KingEbukaNaija:
What the heck is wrong with you ? Menstealers include slave traders , slave dealers , kidnappers , etc Whatever happened in that dispensation is not applicable here .

There's nothing wrong with me. You're merely a deceptive soul. Your God didn't disapprove of slavery.

KingEbukaNaija:
Such can't happen in this dispensation . Do you understand English at all ?

You have difficulty with reasoning. Why can't it happen? Is it objectively immoral?

KingEbukaNaija:
I don't know . What about you , is slavery objectively moral , yes or no ?

Yes it is based on my view. Since you can't tell based on your view, then your view is morally bankrupt. Your inability to tell with somethign so clear tells me that with the Bible, all is permitted.

KingEbukaNaija:
Homosexuality is wrong and unnatural . It is a forbidden sexual orientation. Same goes with in.cest and beastiality

Why is homosexuality wrong? How is it unnatural? Your God forbids it yet grants people that sexual orientation. I'm not talking about incest or bestiality.

PastorAIO:
Her argument, I think, is something like this. It goes as follows: Since it has already been established that christians past and present have been murderous villains, she hopes to ameliorate the sheer disgrace and shame of her history by pointing the finger to others. Its like the thief that got caught and his defence was 'sebi others are stealing too nah?'.

It's just an attempt to deflect attention from her filth. If you notice there has been a sudden increase of threads attacking atheism. While I will agree that atheists have become quite militant and organised against religion, the roots of it have not been investigated thoroughly. This is my opinion on what is going on, historically.

There have always been atheists who just ignore religion and go about their lives jejely. This is still the case with the majority of atheists, some of them you'll be shocked when you even find out that they are atheists. Some still attend church because they love the liturgy and the music but they don't believe.

Then sometime in the early years of this millennium ( or maybe even in the 90s) Science was making some astonishing breakthroughs with Stem Cell research. They even created a lamb called Dolly. The backlash from religion was extreme, to put it mildly. I remember listening to some people chatting about it and someone said that the lamb would be possessed by demons and that's how it is animated. The level of contempt shocked me.

It was shortly after this that people like Dawkins started to rise with their anti religion rhetoric. Many people say, and I agree, that Religion VS Science is a false dichotomy however from the way things have been playing out in the last 20 years it doesn't feel like that. It feels like Religion has taken it upon itself to be antagonistic towards scientific progress. (actually come to think of it they have been like this for centuries).

The attack back at religion from scientists wearing masks of atheism has shaken many religious people to their core, especially with the use of internet and social media. Off line christians can influence legislation and force the government to withdraw funding from Stem Cell research. But online christians have to flee into and under every crevice and rock that they can find.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/booming/the-clone-named-dolly.html?_r=0

What it basically tells me is that they acknowledge the failures of religion but just want to drag others down to that level.

winner01:
Another FREAK OUT from militant atheists who come to our page calling the religious "mentally disabled".

Please state your argument.

winner01:
Nick Fletcher, who calls himself theTime Lord of the Gallifreyan High Council and the Dark Lord of the Sith, attempts to call the Holy Bible fantasy, despite the abundant proof for it: http:///YSTbUD
Is he confused with what is reality and what is fantasy?

Please state your argument.

winner01:
Definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Like continuously posting on a page that promotes something you strongly disagree with, long after people have lost interest in what you are saying.

Asking you to state your argument is insanity? Wow.
I'll keep asking that question until you answer or start babbling revealing idiocy. So, what is your argument?

winner01:
Dr. Kent Brantly, a medical missionary with the organisation Samaritan's Purse, devoted his life to help those in need in Africa, a true reflection of his faith. He contracted Ebola while serving them and was transported back to the US where he was treated. God worked through the doctors and now Dr. Brantly is
healed! It is no surprise that the "Yale Journal of Biology and Medicine" states that "the institution of a hospital dedicated to
the care of the sick was a distinctly Christian innovation rooted in the monastic virtue and practise of hospitality". For centuries people of faith have tried to follow Christ's teaching to love their neighbours.


In his page "God Swill Ministries", designed to ridicule people of faith, atheist Jay Solemn mocks this physician. Does Jay Solemn think that mocking the religious is a more worthwhile pursuit than treating those with inadequate medical care in Africa? Jay Solemn, in his heart knows that he has
accomplished nothing in his life and has nothing to show but a page full of hatred. His jealousy of those who are using their
talent to improve the world is evident. His parents did a lousy job raising him. Most militant atheists, like this example--Jay
Solemn, would rather use their time and money to erect billboards mocking those who disagree with them. It is no surprise that organized atheism resulted in the persecution of millions of believers in the last century. Compare the two and choose!

Again with these random names. Telling me that people don't like Christianity or that people are rude is not an argument.

State your argument. What exactly is your conclusion? Can you state it in a few words or sentences?

KingEbukaNaija:
You have a penchant for logomachy . Menstealers include kidnappers , slave dealers , slave traders , slave -catchers etc . Am sure you know this but you have chosen to be disingenuous - picked out only kidnappers and overlooked other inclusions .

You deceptive soul. What was the original translation? If God was against slavery, why did he advise Israelites to keep slaves? Why did he tell them how to treat slaves rather than simply banning it? Or has your God once again revealed his schizophrenia?

KingEbukaNaija:
Objective morality comes from a moral law giver . Whatever he has chosen to be seen as good is good and wrong is wrong .

In that case, your idea of morality is arbitrary and that means if that lawgiver tells you to kill your children as a form of glorification of himself, you'll do it. It means if he tells you to kill your neigbour's sons and take his 6 month old female baby as a slave, you would think it was a good idea.

Please tell me, is slavery objectively moral? Yes or no.

KingEbukaNaija:
The country with the lowest crime rate has to be Switzerland and most Switz are Christians . North Korea , an official atheist state , has one of the worst crime rates , known for nefarious dictatorial acts and have the worst religious tolerance .

This is my forte , now move to the losing side

Do you think there's a significant cultural difference between Switzerland and Sweden? Last time I checked, Switzerland doesnt' prosecute or persecute gay people.

You need to look a little closer at North Korea and explore the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea%27s_cult_of_personality]cult of personality[/url]. Note that it is religions that encourage or even begin as cults. North Korean theism is just one that you don't recognize. When you realize that the country has eternal leaders, then ask yourself what other sorts of ideas have these concepts of eternal leaders.

KingEbukaNaija:
Read the bible ? We have had disquisitions on this and you reiterating the same thing again means you have learnt nothing , justice was served and verdicts which result to death are not wrong .

Oya lets go back to this thread , you and I and let's sort this out once and for all https://www.nairaland.com/3031728/reasons-why-god-not-subject

If you wish to continue, then respond to what I wrote here.

KingEbukaNaija:
Im saying atheism is part of communism . And communists (atheists) killed because Leninism- an incorporation of communism - was inherently dictatorially atheistic . The enforcement of the ideology forces people to abjure their beliefs and tortures the insubordinate ones .

The bible deprecates violence .

- "Love your enemies "

- "Turn the other cheek "

- "Do not Kill "

Anyone who kills with Christian beliefs as a pretext is a deceiver , an anti-Christ , a heretic . The KKK were carrying out despicable acts in the name of Christianity , same with the crusades and any form of Christian extremism/terrorism - all these were condemned in the bible .

Atheists worldwide show their support for the persecution of Christians in communist countries like mi bro has shown . Plus the incessant mockery , show of hate and being malevolent to the religious .

Its rational , as an intellectual , to conclude that atheists have the disposition to display acts of violence , hatred and bigotry towards the religious .

Your lies won't work on those who have read the Bible.

[quote author=1 Samuel 15:3]Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.[/quote][quote author=1 Samuel 6:19
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.[/quote][quote author=Numbers 31:17 - 18]Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.[/quote]Was it the God you serve who desired these deaths?

KingEbukaNaija:
It was only obtainable in that dispensation . In the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers . So yes , the bible condemns slavery . We are in another dispensation and the moral law giver has this for us

1 Timothy 1:8-10

8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

You are a deceptive soul. Slave traders is a modern addition to the Bible. These are the sorts of additions that will land you in hell with the best people. This is the actual quote

Authorized KJV: 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

You changed kidnappers to slave traders. At least, try to tell the truth.

Is slavery objectively moral or immoral?

KingEbukaNaija:
You lie ! The secular world's morality has led to moral decadence . The secular world's morality applauds celebrity sexxtapes , indecent dressing , legalized prostitution , racism , porn , sodomy , masturbation , homosexuality etc .

In morally decadent societies , there are lots of atheists . Take a look at Sweden and rape ; they have overtaken South Africa and 1 in 4 women are likely to be raped in Sweden , North Korea - venal politicians , high crime rate abuse of human rights due to intolerance of religious practices , dictatorship , sexual servitude by young females which is condoned by the government etc .

Should I continue ? The evidences dismissing your claims are preponderant . You stand no chance of providing any cogent proof to buttress your claims .

Yes you should continue. Do you think Sweden and South Africa classify rape the same way? Would most Nigerians rather live in Sweden or South Africa? You need to stop deceiving yourself because you're not fooling anyone. Please tell me the country you think has the worst crime rates and religious tolerance? And tell me the country you think has the lowest crime rates and religious tolerance?

You must be truly deluded if you think South Africa offers better standards of living than Sweden.

KingEbukaNaija:
Morally is objective because only the moral law giver determines what is right or wrong . Moral Law transcends humanity, this universal law requires a universal lawgiver.

Does the moral law giver arbitrarily decide what is right or wrong? Or does he tell us what he has found out to be right or wrong?

Can you state this universal law?

tartar9:
Just imagining if I was an atheist... that unrestrained freedom to unleash my fantasies on the world

What are your fantasies?

winner01:
No arguments my friend. Just points supported with facts.


Another hateful comment from an atheist. Jesse Jordan uses profanity and makes a claim without providing evidence.
G.K. Chesterton made this point: “Atheism is the most daring of all dogmas, for it is the assertion of a universal negative.”
http://biologos.org/questions/what-created-god

You really love hunting down quotes and comments.

Why don't you state the point first then we can look at the facts you think that support it?

winner01:
If you look well enough at the title of this thread, you'd notice that i'm less interested in arguing. I'm more intrested in proving a point.


An interesting article from our friends at Bethinking relates to this topic: http://www.bethinking.org/morality/can-moral-objectivism-do-without-god

Can you state the point clearly in a few short sentences rather than looking for lists to post?

KingEbukaNaija:
Culture is the totality of a people's way of life . Someone's culture is his identity and when a particular group of people have displayed the natural inclination or tendency to kill , terrorize and show hate towards the religious over the century , then its rational to conclude that its their way of life - their culture . The thread perfectly points that out .

Like I mentioned earlier , the proliferation of the members of the atheist communities on social media that display these tendencies is alarming - this affirms the above paragraph .

Atheism is really dangerous - very deleterious to the mind - and the ominous signs are so visible now .

You do realize that Christianity has shown a natural tendency and inclination to kill, terrorize and show hate over the past centuries. They've even said things that are evil are actually good.

Looks like you wish to make a clear argument. Why don't you simply do that? If you want to say that atheists are just killers and evil, then please make that argument clearly and let it be examined.

winner01:
Atheist Joshua Frenkel uses ad hominems rather than rationally delineating his position with a believer. Related article: http://blogs.christianpost.com/confident-christian/profile-of-a-hatetheist-10298/

Do you have an actual argument other than hunting down long lists? If you do, please make the argument.

winner01:

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Jiang Zemin (1926-)
Atheist Leader of China who ordered the torture and murder of 65,000 followers of the Falun Gong religion (which was considered dangerous to Communism), after which he then harvested their organs.

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Che Guevara (1928-1967) a.k.a. Ernesto Guevara
Atheist revolutionary leader who helped spread Marxism in Cuba. He wrote to his father about how he liked killing his first victim, seeing his brains pop out when he shot him in the head, and concluded, "Papa, I think I enjoy killing." He went on to execute 14,000 people in the name of atheistic Communism. Notably, he also asked the Soviets to give him nuclear weapons in order to bring about a nuclear apocalypse, saying, "the people [of Cuba] you see today tell you that even if they should disappear from the face of the earth because an atomic war is unleashed in their names ... they will feel completely happy and fulfilled." In addition, he fanatically suported Communist regimes throughout the world that killed millions upon millions of other people. He has been widely celebrated by atheists, including Christopher Hitchens who considered him "a role model."

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Jack Kevorkian (1928-2011) a.k.a. "Dr. Death"
American pathologist and promoter of euthanasia who performed over 130 physician-assisted suicides and was eventually arrested for it. When asked if he believed in a god, he quipped, "Bach. At least I didn't make mine up."

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Babrak Karmal (1929-1996) a.k.a. Sultan Hussein
Afghan politician, under whose leadership, around 1.2 million were killed. Though some say a Muslim, he was known to be an atheist, as he imposed state atheism on Afghanistan.

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Jim Jones (1931-1978)
American Marxist who transformed a group of church members into a Communist cult, wherein his fanatical followers would commit suicide on his command, resulting in a mass suicide of over 900 people (some of whom were forcibly killed, including children). He said that he "took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism."

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Samora Machel (1933-1986)
Atheist President of Mozambique, who ruled the country in a Marxist-Leninist tradition and set up "reeducation centers" that have been described as "infamous centers of torture and death," where an estimated 30,000 people died.

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Than Shwe (1933-)
Atheist leader of Burma/Myanmar and Marxist intellectual who murdered 282 people in the "May 30th Massacre" as well as slaughtered some thousands of others.

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Alvin Lee King III (1935-1982)
A former teacher at a Texas high school, where he was known to be an outspoken atheist, who burst into a church with a rifle and a pistol, murdering 5 Christians and wounding at least 10 others (later hanging himself in his jail cell).

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Richard Kuklinski (1935-2006) a.k.a. "The Iceman"
American contract killer who murdered up to 250 people for the mob. He admitted to being an atheist, saying the Church was a sham and that if God really existed, there would be no violence in the world.

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Andrei Chikatilo (1936-1994) a.k.a. "The Red Ripper"
Soviet serial killer who killed and cannibalized 53 people. He confessed that Communism had a negative effect on him and that his atheism inspired him with anxiety which caused his mind to "split."

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Mengistu Haile Mariam (1937-)
Atheist leader of Communist Ethiopia who killed 500,000 to 2 million.

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Lee Harvey Oswald (1939-1963)
Atheist assassin who shot and killed the President of the United States, namely, John F. Kennedy. He was a Marxist and was also reported to have explicitly defended atheism.

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Slobodan Milošević (1941-2006) a.k.a. "Sloba" and "Butcher of the Balkans"
Atheist Leader of Communist Serbia who slaughtered 250,000 people (some number of these being martial killings).

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Kim Jong-il (1941/1942-2011)
North Korean dictator who continued North Korea's atheistic political ideology known as "Juche," becoming responsible for a famine that killed 2.8 million to 3.5 million people.

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James Oliver Huberty (1942-1984)
American mass shooter and atheist who shot and killed 21 people, injuring 19 others, in the "San Ysidro McDonald's massacre."

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Ted Kaczynski (1942-) a.k.a. "The Unabomber"
American atheist and anarchist who killed 3 people and injured 23 others with a series of homemade bombs. His parents raised him as an "intellectual atheist," and he maintained, "I believe in nothing."

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José Eduardo dos Santos (1942-)
Atheist President of Angola and Marxist-Leninist, under whose leadership 125,000 people were killed in democide (some of these deaths possibly being on account of Angola's preceding Marxist President, Agostinho Neto), though he became less Marxist and accordingly less democidal later in life.[/hr]

Hu Jintao (1942-)
Atheist leader of Communist China, under whose leadership around 75,000 people were executed.

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Gary Heidnick (1943-1999) a.k.a. Gary Michael Heidnik
Criminal from Pennsylvania who kidnapped, tortured, and raped 6 women, eventually murdering 2 of them, turning one into food and feeding her to the others. Though he founded a mock "church" on the side to receive tax exemptions, he said he had always been an atheist.

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Leonard Lake (1945-1985)
Californian serial-killer and atheist who, along with his co-conspirator Charles Ng, murdered 11 to 25 people.

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Dennis Nilsen (1945-) a.k.a. "The Muswell Hill Murderer" and "The Kindly Killer"
British serial killer, homosexual necrophiliac, and atheist who strangled 12 men to death.

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Ted Bundy (1946-1989) a.k.a. Theodore Robert Cowell
Atheist serial killer who murdered 30 to over 100 people.

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David Roland Waters (1947-2003)
An atheist and office manager of the organization called "American Atheists" who murdered 4 people.

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David Berkowitz (1953-) a.k.a. "Son of Sam"
Atheist serial killer who murdered 6 people and wounded 7 others. He claimed he was involved with a Satanic cult but also said he did not believe in God.

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Velupillai Prabhakaran (1954-2009) a.k.a. Thiruvenkadam Velupillai Prabhakaran
Military leader and founder of the "Tamil Tigers," an atheist terrorist group based in Sri Lanka that sprang from Marxist-Leninst philosophy that vehemently rejected all religion. They assassinated many high-ranking political figures, including multiple world leaders (the only terrorist organization to have done so), additionally murdering over 4,000 people in only a few years through a variety of terrorist attacks, including suicide bombings. They were also the leading instigators and most prolific users of suicide attacks in the modern world, notably being the ones to invent exploding suicide vests (even though the suicide vest is popularly attributed only to "religious extremists," particularly radical Muslims, despite it actually being a product of anti-religious, atheistic terrorism).

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Brian Dugan (1956-)
Serial killer who murdered 3 people and sexually assaulted several women in Chicago. He described himself as atheist to reporters and said he did not believe in heaven or hell, good or evil, calling them all "mad-made constructions."

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Jeffrey Dahmer (1960-1994) a.k.a. "The Milwaukee Cannibal"
Atheist serial killer who murdered 17 people. He tortured, raped, dismembered, and cannibalized several of his victims. He credited his atheism for being the reason why he killed people, saying, "If it all happens naturalistically, what's the need for a god? Can't I set my own rules? Who owns me? I own myself."

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Marc Lépine (1964-1989)
Canadian Atheist who shot and murdered 14 women and wounded 14 others and then shot himself in the "Montreal Massacre." His mother reported that he was "a confirmed atheist all his life."

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Timothy McVeigh (1968-2001)
American terrorist who was convicted of the Oklahoma City Bombing, which killed 168 people and injured over 600 others (the deadliest terrorist attack prior to September 11, 2001). He informed the press that he did not believe in God.

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Craig Stephen Hicks (1968-)
Atheist mass murderer who killed 3 Muslim students in the 2015 Chapel Hill shooting. He regularly made online posts condeming all religions, described himself as an "anti-theist," was a supporter of “Atheists for Equality,” and was an outspoken fan of Richard Dawkins’ book The God Delusion.

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John Hughes (c. 1977-)
Atheist serial killer from the Isle of Man who confessed to killing 15 or more people. He compared himself to the Anti-Christ and told reporters he did not believe in God.

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Israel Keyes (1978-2012)
Atheist serial killer from Utah who murdered 8 or more people before killing himself.

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Seth Privacky (1980-2010)
American mass murderer who killed 5 people, including his parents, brother, and grandfather, telling people that he had been raised with "an atheistic, or agnostic, view to life."

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Eric Harris (1981-1999)
One of the two high school students who committed the "Columbine High School Massacre" in which they shot and killed 13 people and injured 24 others (before killing themselves). He had written in his journal that he did not want to do what "parents, cops, God, or teachers" tell him to do, making him, at the very least, a practical atheist (and notably, he never indicated he believed in God at all). As recorded on a video tape, Harris is seen saying, "Go Romans! Thank God they crucified that asshole." He was enamored with Charles Darwin's concept of "Natural Selection," writing, "Natural SELECTION!!!!!!!!!!! God damn it's the best thing that ever happened to the Earth. Getting rid of all the stupid and weak organisms. I wish the government would just take off every warning label. So then all the dumbasses would either severely hurt themselves or DIE!" On the day of the shooting, he wore a t-shirt with the label "Natural Selection" written across it.

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Dylan Klebold (1981-1999)
The other one of the two high school students who committed the "Columbine High School Massacre" in which (once again) they shot and killed 13 people and injured 24 others (before killing themselves). Recorded on video tape, he is seen cheering with Harris for the Romans because they crucified Christ ("that asshole" as Harris put it). Also on video tape, Klebold said he disliked one of his classmates, Rachel Scott, calling her a "Christian, Godly little LovePeddler," suggesting than he was not only an atheist but an anti-theist as well. Klebold and Harris made her the first victim of the Columbine shooting. After shooting her once, he asked, "Do you still believe in God?" to which she said, "You know I do." He then mocked, "Go be with with him," shooting her in the head.

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Kimveer Gill (1981-2006)
Canadian mass shooter and self-described atheist who perpetrated the "Dawson College shooting," in which he shot and killed 1 and injured 19 others, before shooting himself in the head. In addition to being a fan of the Columbine High School Massacre, he had written on his website, "I hate this world, I hate the people in it, I hate the way people live, I hate God, I hate the deceivers, I hate betrayers, I hate religious zealots, I hate everything ... I hate so much ..."

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Kip Kinkel (1982-)
Atheist High Schooler who shot and killed both his parents. The next day he went to school and shot and killed 2 students as well as wounded 35 others in the "Thurston High School shooting." He said, "If there was a God, he wouldn't let me feel the way I do. There is no God, only hate."

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Kim Jong-un (1983-)
North Korean dictator who maintained North Korea as an atheist state and executed about 70 people just in the first few years of his reign to secure his power as well as for personal vendetta. Some of these executions were done "creatively," such as by anti-aircraft gun, mortar shell, and tying someone to a stake while torching them with a flame-thrower. He also killed, tortured, and starved an unknown amount of other people, numbering at least in the hundreds.

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Michael Adam Carneal (1983-)
A self-professed atheist who went to a religious youth group in Kentucky and began shooting them after the opening prayer, murdering three girls and wounding five others.

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Seung-Hui Cho (1984-2007)
South Korean mass shooter who killed 32 students (before killing himself) in the "Virginia Tech Shooting." He apparently had become an atheist, having dropped out of his church, and, according to his roommate, had "railed against his parents' strong Christian faith."

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Matti Juhani Saari (1986-2008)
Finnish atheist who shot and killed 10 people in the "Kauhajoki school shooting," before committing suicide.

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James Holmes (1987-) a.k.a. "The Dark Knight Killer"
American mass murderer who was convicted on 24 counts of murder and 140 counts of attempted murder, having shot up a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, which was playing the film "The Dark Knight Rises" while he was dressed as the Joker. He had labelled himself an agnostic on an online dating service website (which, according to some atheists, would make him qualify as an atheist).

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Jeffrey James Weise (1988-2005) a.k.a. Jeff Weise
Ojibwe student who killed 9 and injured 7 people at Red Lake Senior High School, after which he then shot himself. His behavior during the shooting spree indicated militant atheism as a motive. He shot a female teacher in response to her saying, "God be with us," and then turned and asked a student, "Do you believe in God?" to which the student answered, "No," and consequently spared the student and proceeded to find alternate targets.

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Jared Lee Loughner (1988-)
Atheist mass shooter in the 2011 Tucson shooting, killing 6 people (including a U.S. District Court Judge) and injuring 13 others (including a U.S. Representative). He was an outspoken critic of US currency having the phrase "In God We Trust," repeatedly mocked all religion (especially Christianity), and said Karl Marx's "The Communist Manifesto" was one of his favorite books.

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Pekka-Eric Auvinen (1989-2007)
Finnish student and Nazi enthusiast who shot and killed 8 people before killing himself in the "Jokela school shooting." He described himself as a "godlike atheist," having said, "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit."

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Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer (1989-2015) a.k.a. Chris Harper Mercer
Mass murderer from California who killed 9 people at Umpqua Community College in Oregon, the deadliest shooting in the state's history. He described himself as an atheist on his MySpace page and asked multiple people if they were Christians and then shot them after they answered yes.

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Elliot Rodger (1991-2014)
Atheist mass murderer who killed 6 people and injured 14 others at the University of California, Santa Barbara, using multiple guns and knives, and then committed suicide. He had written in his journal: "I am the closest thing there is to a living god. Humanity is a disgusting, depraved, and evil species. It is my purpose to punish them all."

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The rest of the thread will be dedicated to proving how intolerant and violent atheists of today can be.

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Like I noted earlier, you have a curious obsession with lists of names and what not so, what exactly is your argument? Is it that these people you listed did bad things therefore all atheists are bad? Or would do such things or what exactly?

PastorAIO:
Should have gone to specsavers

Praktikals:
When evil things begin to happen to the two of you, ignorant people will be blaming it on witches in the village.

And when evil things start happening to a knowledgeable person like yourself, will people blame it on those same witches in the village or on your God?