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KingEbukasBlog:
An example sir

thehomer:
Was Jesus' death necessary? Yes or No.

Is the execution of someone who is not guilty of a felony something evil? Yes or No.

KingEbukasBlog:
You ask the dumbest questions and give the stupi-dest explanations . You dont know . You are not worth my time . You are shiit . Mention me when you upgrade

KingEbukasBlog:
Interesting .

Mao Zedong is a Chinese communist and founding father of the People's Republic of China . As we all know he led and saw through the Great Leap Forward - a social and economic campaign whose goal was to transform the country from an agrarian economy into a socialist society through rapid industrialization and collectivization. An Agrarian economy is based on the country's agricultural system - producing and maintaining crops. Funny enough Ethiopia is already adopting this system as they plan to stay ahead as Africa's fastest growing economy . This campaign lasted for three years 1958-1961 .

Mao's intentions translate to the benefits of socialism .

1. The system eliminates greed

2. The Needs of Everyone are met

3. Goods are easily mobilized especially in times of disasters in order to ensure the safety and well being of every citizen affected .

4. There are monopolistic practices . We all know how disadvantageous such practice is .

5. There are no business fluctuations . No discrimination between investment and savings and resources are readily available

So the above or more were Mao's intention and it would put Mao's China in the forefront of civilization and development . Notably , Albeit Einstein - one of the world's greatest minds - was a supporter of socialism .

Effects of His Intentions

1. Great Chinese Famine which ended the lives of millions of people plus the torture given to millions who were not complying to Mao's vision .

2. It was estimated that 1 to 3 million people committed suicide

3. China actually did experience economic growth at some point

4. The Chinese praise Mao for the efforts he made . Without His efforts , there wouldn't have been a new China

So I ask ... Is Mao Zendong a good or evil man ?

KingEbukasBlog:
Which other God And you boldly claim you understand Christianity . That's how you were asking me to make all sorts of proofs in UyiIredia 's Three Arguments for God's existence thread and later ran away when you couldn't answer my question . You and uncle plaetton are the same .

KingEbukasBlog:
God is an embodiment of moral good and is not subject to his law . His acts are justified .

Joshthefirst:
Your question still remains invalid, both from your context of moral relativity, and from the fact that I have never supported rape and genocide, and neither has my God commanded them.

Joshthefirst:
And it doesn't matter, your constant contradiction of your moral position and plaetton's confession of the self-evident nature of evil has pacified my argument.

KingEbukasBlog:
From someone who gives vague definitions . You lack proper understanding of what you mock or ridicule . There is no such thing as 'necessary evil'

DeepSight:
Again:





Are the bold words in your revert above to be determined via objective or subjective standards?

When we say "a reasonable man" - you know very well that there is in criminal law something called the "reasonable man principle."

Is that principle assessed according to subjective or objective standards?

DeepSight:
My dear Irascible friend and brother, I do not have the time, energy or inclination to go "ascouting" links and providing comparisons. However I have extracted some of your comments (and Plaetton's) on this thread alone. I will leave it to you to see if there is anything to think on regarding these comments - viz-a-viz your mutual position on the matter of moral subjectivity. I will only highlight in red bold the words or phrases that you both made, and I only ask you to take a second look at those words or phrases and see what they are indicative of, or what they suggest, on the matter of moral subjectivity.

Here are a few of the quotes:



So there is such a thing as "self evident evil?" Interesting. Wonders shall never cease.
This same idea you all clobbered and bashed but a few months ago.



^^^ This above is particularly instructive and damning. He makes this argument for determining design but slips to say that that there must always be a benchmark when making comparisons. Strange he forgets this principle of his when making moral comparisons.

As for you, Dr. Homer - here are a few of yours you may like to chew on -







Now, I know very well that your hypocritical eminence may find it very difficult to see how these statements of yours stand in direct contradiction to your position on moral subjectivity, and this is why I have tried to help you by highlighting certain words and phrases in red bold. I would urge you to give greater and closer thought to them.

Many thanks.

DeepSight:
Funny ha-ha: but yes you were caught out in a direct self contradiction of your previous arguments: lazy escapist jokes and ad hominems will not change the fact, regardless how you may wish so: both yourself and plaetton have here made very categorical statements in direct contradiction of that which you both vehemently previously argued on the matter of moral subjectivity.

It is sad that I already had the foreknowledge that you would both be so intrepid as to blatantly deny what you have penned yourselves in black and white. And that is a shame: a real shame.

DeepSight:
Escapist ad hominem when caught pants down abi? Enjoy.

Joshthefirst:
So any act that is harmful to others is unreasonable?

What about troops fighting terrorists? Isn't this harmful to the terrorist? Or is such an action unreasonable and evil too?

Kay17:
He has already conceded to the existence of necessary evils.

KingEbukasBlog:
Again , this guy . What is evil and what makes what you see as evil evil

KingEbukasBlog:
He is the same God .

Psalm 9:17

17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Hell was mentioned in the old testament . Stop lying for void

Anyway this addresses your question

http://www.gotquestions.org/God-different.html

KingEbukasBlog:
I am not deluded . You guys use that word mostly when it does not befit the context

KingEbukasBlog:
Anyway . There is a difference between Judaism and Christianity . Christ came with a much better package for us and we adhere to his teachings . E.g he stopped the stoning of the adulterous woman .

Atheists stick to Judaism because it buttresses their unbelief and condemn the practice then call Christians deluded . Why is it that you guys never deal with the exegesis of New Testament texts .

KingEbukasBlog:
You are imposing today's morality and justice system upon that which was obtained then . That was their culture - which I explained . We all know much heavier penalties and punishments are meted to the offender today . Use your head when arguing and don't let your asinine intentions which are apparent cloud your sense of judgement .

KingEbukasBlog:
I guess you just glanced through . Ok .

Deuteronomy 22 : 28


There are two punishments - if the woman is betrothed and if she is not .

If she is the former , the man gets death and if she is the later the man gets married to the woman and pays the dad 50 shekels of silver .From my research that's $420.98 ( 130 k naira ) . I think the fine is a pretty heavy punishment considering that they were nomads whose source of living came from the produce of their livestock.

If the woman refuses to marry her then she will be desolate in her father's house till she dies because as I mentioned earlier , no man would marry her because she has been defiled . And if the coi.tus produced a kid - he/she remains a bastard , rejected by the society and has no right of inheritance .

KingEbukasBlog:
The couple - the defiler and the defiled - are obligated to be in love as a married couple - a commandment by God . God 's law admonishes the Israelites to forgive , so its rational to assume that she must have forgiven her man for the love and respect she has for God and will learn to love him as commanded by God .

The above is not preposterous because indeed some women today can marry those who raped them and have forgiven their fathers who defiled.

KingEbukasBlog:
I have asked this question in different ways and they keep evading them . PastorAIO , plaetton , Kay17 , thehomer be bold and accept you dont know . No one gets mocked - that was my intention before though

KingEbukasBlog:
No bro . Answer my question first . Surely I will answer yours

KingEbukasBlog:
I wonder how this is a problem brother thehomer and PastorAIO . Ok I am sorry I didn't specify it was single women being referred to . We cool ?

KingEbukasBlog:
This was to PastorAIO

KingEbukasBlog:
Im not sure what you are trying to disprove . The so called non virgins were married before . Ruth and Bathsheba were widows . David had to pay dearly for his actions - forcefully making her a widow by killing her husband Uriah .

You just quote unrelated biblical texts and funny enough you dont have any explanations for your actions . Are you trying to impress we Christians or what

KingEbukasBlog:
I have answered this question . Follow a thread meticulously and stop asking one question in a different way

Joshthefirst:
How do you know rape and genocide are bad ideas?

Joshthefirst:
The confused moral relativist doesn't even understand the irrelevant hypocrisy of his own words.

KingEbukasBlog:
So who /what laid down the moral guide for you ?

Moral guide should from the embodiment of moral good - I imbibed my good morals from studying the life of Christ - the embodiment of moral good - God .

Its easy . Here are three depravities which certain societies now deem lawful

1. Abortion
2. Prostitution
3. Homosexuality

With God's laws as my moral guide , I know that the above are wrong regardless of what the society thinks of it .

Now if you were a citizen of the society that condones this "supposed" depravities , what will be your opinion ? Huh ?

And if you are against the law . What makes your dogmatic stance right or true ?

KingEbukasBlog:
Ok bro thehomer . Kindly hold this popcorn for me while I get the soda from the refrigerator as I await your retrieval of statistics that showed the rate at which victims of rape in Israel committed suicide 3000 yrs ago .

As you can see I brought enough tho

uncle plaetton , PastorAIO , kay17 should join the waiting party .

KingEbukasBlog:
One of the punishments of rape is death . The other is to force the man to marry who he raped . The Israelites were nomadic at that time and there is no time to throw someone in prison . So its immediate judgement that was the course of action taken against offenders in accordance to rules .

KingEbukasBlog:
"You people" - that's offensive

KingEbukasBlog:
Anyway . I was not to there to know how rape victims fared . But the man the rape victim got married to is expected to take care of her . And off course her family is there to monitor her well being .

DeepSight:
It is quite amusing to see Messrs Plaetton and Homer refer to self evident evil and the like, after such a long and tiresome insistence on moral subjectivity.

If morality is relative and subjective, I really don't know on what ground Yahweh can be condemned for even the most seemingly heinous acts. Nothing can be condemned, frankly, with such a worldview. In fact, words such as "evil", " bad" and "wrong" should not even exist.

However I expect these folk - Messrs Homer, AIO, Plaetton, Wiegraf and co - to continue chasing their tails in this matter ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

KingEbukasBlog:
The price of rape was marriage to the victim and payment of a particular amount to her papa - this happens when she is unbetrothed . And a death penalty to the rapist if she is betrothed .


I am not sure where you dey find wahala .

KingEbukasBlog:
You quoting that suicide bs is to elicit emotions to appeal to your intentions

Joshthefirst:
Very funny.

Joshthefirst:
No, you did not really tell me, you only gave an ambiguous statement.

Joshthefirst:
But from what you say now, I suspect you go in the way of plaetton and finally accede the self evidence of good and evil. Nice. wiegraf is next. I hope deepsight gets hope and happiness in seeing his boys finally embrace truth.

Joshthefirst:
Answer the question thehomer

Joshthefirst:
Coming from a man who can't tell by what standard he calls an act right and another wrong. How convenient.