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Joshthefirst:
Saving girls who had never slept with a man does not mean those girls would be raped. Rape was a crime punishable by death in Israel.

What do you think it meant? Rape of women captured during war wasn't.

Joshthefirst:
And Mary never gave her consent? Really? Even when she said "let it be unto me as thou has said"?

Okay. She gave her consent but it appears that she did so because she was a female slave.

plaetton:
I am simply shocked.

You see that when examined closely, all religious nuts, whether Islamic extremists or kingebukasblog, or joshthefirst, are essentially the same, .which dovetails with the OP and pastorAIO's assertion that with God, all things, all evil are possible and permitted.

Yeah. That's what I've been saying for so long. Whenever people say that without God, all is permitted, they forget the instructions and commands issued by their God.

KingEbukasBlog:
Men provide seeds for procreation and have the muscles and bravery for war . If there are no males , the population reduces as the years go by and no one to instigate another war after they have been vanquished by Israel . Women who have slept with men are off course unclean and there is a tendency they'll birth - this will increase the population .

Wow. Such erudite reasoning in defense of your God. It looks like you don't think there's anything wrong with genocide. Women who have had sex are unclean? Weren't you born of a woman? You think it is right to wipe out a population including killing 6 month old babies? If such reasons are advanced by God or those that God has touched, are they really better thant he devil's suggestions?

KingEbukasBlog:
And Midian had to pay for their sins against Israel . God wanted them obliterated . Same way the sinful ones who have not accepted Christ - the new covenant will be in Hell .

Yeah yeah. Most people will be in hell. You seem to think genocide is sometimes good. Well that really exposes things.

KingEbukasBlog:
God is an embodiment of moral good - His acts are justified .

You've successfully justified genocide. This means you're incapable of telling what is right from what is wrong.

Joshthefirst:
He impregnated Mary without her consent? He gave his permission to rape?

Please show in clear terms where he did this. If you don't have clear evidence where he condoned or commanded ra.pe please don't waste my time.

I already gave you a passage about your God condoning rape. He said

Bible Numbers 31: 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Saving girls who had never slept with a man was that those girls would be raped since those girls didn't consent giving themselves over to the Israelite soldiers.

Mary never gave her consent.

Joshthefirst:
My God didn't give any order, so your question is invalid. Again.

As I've shown above, he did so you may want to stop deceiving yourself.

KingEbukasBlog:
https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/why-were-only-virgins-left-alive-among-midianites

. Its a war story between Israel and Midian . This explains why

Trust me tomorrow I still post this same link

A war that your God commanded. The link doesn't explain the killing of boys and women who had ever had sex with men. Or are those acceptable killings when your God asks for them? Why is it right to kill 6 month old boys simply for being boys?

Joshthefirst:
My God never gave the order to rape anyone. So your question is invalid.

Actually, he gave his permission to rape and he impregnated Mary without her consent. Your God said

BIBLE: 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

What do you think he meant?

Joshthefirst:
But to continue the discourse, I base my moral standards on the biblical law.

You didn't answer my question. I asked a specific question on your opinions of rape not the basis of your "moral standards". Here it is again.

By what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.

Please specifically answer this question so we can progress.

Joshthefirst:
Now here's my question: By what standard do you base rape wrong? Or one reasonable or unreasonable? Wrt his opinion on rape?

No more evading please.

I will answer when you actually answer my question.

I'm simply holding you to the same standards you wish to apply to me. Please stop being evasive and answer my direct question.

KingEbukasBlog:
Provide biblical proof to these bizarre claims please .

cc : PastorAIO ... oya come and do his research work for him . You are very good at quoting random scriptures maybe through luck you might address this aptly

Have you forgotten Numbers 31?

[quote author=Bible NIV Numbers 31]14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.

15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.[/quote]

Joshthefirst:
Answer mine in lucid terms then and stop being Ambiguous.

I have answered it in clear terms. Why don't you start answering my question rather than trying to evade it? Here it is again. I can clarify as we go on.

By what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.

Joshthefirst:
My God doesn't slaughter the innocent. Only once for a sacrifice of redemption did he do that.

Your God has been known to kill children and order the killing of children. Who is more innocent than an new born baby?

Joshthefirst:
So answer me then: By what standard do you judge one to be reasonable and another to be unreasonable?

Since you don't know what it means to be a reasonable person, I'll show you what I mean when you start answering my question. Here it is again.

By what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.

Joshthefirst:
You've not answered adequately. You can't say by the standard of reasonable human beings. Don't you believe in moral relativism? What if reasonable human beings to me were rapists?

You've not even started answering my question. Why don't you start giving your answer? We can go into what we actually consider to be reaonable human beings as the discussion continues.

Are the reasonable people you know rapists?

Joshthefirst:
@thehomer, I believe you already know where I'm headed with my questions.

No I don't know where you're headed with your questions. I'm not a mind reader.

Joshthefirst:
If morality is relative, and the one with the means is the one with the lead, then what right do you have to judge any other immoral? Or any act unreasonable?

Add them to the list of questions you want me to answer. What I want is your answer to this question.

by what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong or right? Since your God gave the order, maybe you actually think it is right.

Joshthefirst:
Answer mine adequately then I'll answer yours.

I answered and you asked three more questions. Start giving your answer and I will continue.

So, by what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong?

Joshthefirst:
by what standard do you judge God to be wrong?

By what standard do you judge God to be right?

Joshthefirst:
by what standard do you judge rape and the plunder and murder of women and children to be wrong?

I think they're right by the standards of reasonable human beings. Or do you think that rape, plunder and murder are right? By what standard do you think that is right?

Joshthefirst:
It seems you are bent on derailing this thread.

Here's a question:

By what standards do you judge God to be wrong?

By what standards do you judge God to be right?

winner01:
The church as used in the Bible refers to people not buildings. When you exterminate christian's, you are eradicating the church. I guess that's what he meant.

Okay, so how many Christians did he kill?

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism spreads its 'doctrine' - movies , books , youtube videos , vlogs , social network are the mediums used

Huh? How is this relevant to what you're responding to?

KingEbukasBlog:
Hitler actually tried to eradicate the Church - that's spreading his unbelief .

How many churches did he shut down?

TrueBorn:
Pls read Hebrews 10:1-18. It will tell u why Jesus' death is 'the' sacrifice, not 'a' sacrifice and I pray God to give u understanding cos personally I cannot convince u of these things. It's the Holy Spirit that convicts. He is the One who reveals the Truth to us. But then u must be willing to open up ur hrt to know d truth.

So d question is 'do u want to know d truth?'

' They hate the light and love darkness, you know why? Becos they do not want their sins to be exposed. They don' t want to be told that what they r doing is wrong.

They know in themselves it is wrong but they are not willing to give up that lifestyle. So what do they do? They go abt seeking ways, even misquoting Scriptures and carrying out campaigns, just to justify their sinful actions instead of embracing d truth'.

Pls think abt this.

Okay, thought about it still wasn't a sacrifice. I want to know the truth but how did you get to know the truth?

HandsomeChris:
Only the nails that went into His hands is enough sacrifice to ponder about. We humans cannot understand spiritual things with the way we think or talk. When you die, then your eyes would be opened to see the things you cannot see now.
That which is born of the spirit is spirit and that which born of the flesh is flesh. Ask God for spiritual understanding.

As I've said before, people have suffered the same or worse. Take Spartacus. When he lost against the Romans, the survivors were crucified along the road to Rome. Crucifiction isn't new and Jesus wasn't the first or last to undergo that punishment.

TrueBorn:
Yey! It's good Friday and I am overly excited. Can't wait to get to Church.

Well, yesterday I stumbled into this heart breaking question here on Nairaland: How is Jesus’ death a sacrifice if He rose from the dead? And it was followed by streams of heart breaking responses.

That question inspired this article.

That Jesus gave up His life that you might be saved. That’s a sacrifice.
Jesus said in John 10:18, “No one can take my life from Me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded."

He had the power to take it up or lay it down but rather He chose to give it up for our sake so that through His death, we may have life and deliverance from sin/ fallen nature. That’s a sacrifice.

We can’t even begin to quantify His agony, the agony that made His sweat become like drops of blood as He prayed fervently in the garden of Gethsemane.

He was in anguish because He was completely man but He had to do it because He loves you. That’s a sacrifice.

Despite the fact that He knew the horrors of what He was going to face, He still said, “Yet Father not My will but Your will be done.” That’s a sacrifice.

They mocked Him. He took it.

They slapped Him. He took it.

They yelled at Him. He took it.

They insulted him, beat him, pushed Him around, flogged Him with a lead tipped whip, yet He did not say a word in defense of Himself.

They drove a crown of thorns into His weary head and subjected Him to a gruesome and shameful death. Still He bore it, all for you. That is SACRIFICE.
You were on His mind as He walked down that long and dreary road to Calvary. Jesus put you first. That is Sacrifice.

It was important He rose from death. For His resurrection symbolizes total victory over death. This is the foundation of Christianity. This is what makes us who we are.

If Jesus did not rise from death our faith is futile. What’s the use believing in a dead God? But for the fact He rose, we live without the fear of death because we know we have hope. We will rise again just as Jesus did.

A spiritually myopic person cannot understand this. To him it is plain foolishness but God has used the foolish things of the world to shame the wise (1 Cor 1:27)

So when you sit down to curse out the Lord who gave His life that you might be saved by just believing in Him, please remember that ‘Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.’ (John 15:13) It means that Jesus does love you with an unquantifiable love even when you despise Him.

Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. He is the ultimate sacrifice!
Happy resurrection. Enjoy your holiday.

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It isn't a sacrifice at all. He knew he would be resurrected, he knew he was going to Heaven so he lost nothing and gained everythign according to you Christians. People have suffered far worse for far less as a reward.

kaakulator3:
We don't want Kiriyo dirtiness in our section

What does "Kiriyo" mean? So I'm dirty becasue I'm not a Muslim? Really?

kaakulator3:
Stay here and talk about the Baibu

I want to talk about the Qur'an now.

kaakulator3:
And one more thing, you have every right to air your views but have it back of your mind that
we don't give a f*ck about what you think

Obviously you do because you or your group has banned anyone who doesn't first agree with a ridiculous set of beliefs. If GTB bans Muslims from opening bank accounts it would be a problem yet you online Muslims seem willing to do somethign along those lines to non-Muslims. Why? What are you afraid of?

I've been away from Nairaland for a while so I may have missed the events that led to certain decisions being made. Today is Easter and I just decided to visit the forum. With the recent events in Belgium I wanted to read what our Muslim netizens thought. I just picked a topic to comment on and was presented with a query to declare whether or not I'm a Muslim. Of course I said I wasn't and I got booted off the page and now appear banned from commenting on anything there.

So, what is it that Muslims are afraid of on Nairaland? They threatened and got a separate section. Now they refuse to even consider any opinion that may suggest that they have wrong ideas? This to me is unacceptable in a free and open society. Opinions can be challenged. Wrong ones more so. Nairaland doesn't owe anyone a voice and can easily shut down the Islam for Muslims board. But, if that board is allowed, I think we should also be able to speak on that board and moderate it based on what people do rather than whether or not they belong to a perceived favoured group.

I think that we need an alternate board to discuss these issues for fairness and consistency. If they don't want to discuss it where sensible ones among them can actually say why they're right or wrong, then we should discuss it elsewhere for them.

I propose a board called Islam For all Including Muslims.

KingEbukasBlog:
Who argues against facts ? Hitler was theist in his youth but changed to atheism and blatantly carried out despicable acts against humanity .

How do you know Hitler was an atheist?
Even if he was, was he trying to spread atheism? Or following the dictates of some atheist holy book?

Which bill is this fake prophet referring to?

vooks:
Now that you are not shackled by medieval mythologies and your 280 IQ brain operate at 120% capacity, could you please share your PERSONAL CONTRIBUTION to humanity over and above theists?

Show me your works!
[size=1pt] As will be soon clear, Negro atheists are just empty windbags regurgitating Western philosophies that stroke their goes, give them highs but leave them as empty with nothing to show for their imitation. No books, no new thought...just New Age bullshiet, Andromeda and Nibiru tripe and overused cliches [/size]


PS
Antitheistic rants on NL is not contribution by any stretch of hallucination and nor is imagining that you are a 'thinker'

My works are my posts here. Why aren't posts on Nairaland contribution? They can be independently assessed and if you disagree with what I've written so far, please bring it to my attention. There's nothing wrong with recognizing foreign or Western contribution to one's thoughts. That is one of the points of living in a global arena.

PS
I'd also like to see your works with regards to your personal contribution to humanity over and above atheists.

Joagbaje:
Why didn't Jesus go to hospital ? The principle is , if you have faith you will come .

Maybe because they didn't have hospitals back then. He healed lepers and those that came to the temple for healing. He healed people he met on the streets. Now, we know where these helpless people are. Let the best pastors go out and empty the schools for the disabled. Then they'll have my ear.

Dragonking:
This your comment is really sickening... You are blame gej for everything whereas obj failed to stop the militancy, yaraudua was the one who gave them amnesty not gej...pls get ur facts right.

GEJ continued the rubbish amnesty and he also failed to stop the militancy. He simply gave away money for no sensible reason. If you want to blame OBJ too, go ahead. But don't complain when this government is doing what needs to be done to these criminals.

Legitbaba:
Thak God u've acknowledged d truth.. The north doesn't have anything to blow up that will hve any effect on then or Nigeria... Hence they blow up themselves...

I said they don't blow up facilities that help them not that they have nothing to blow up.

Legitbaba:
BTW... I'll like to know were u are from... Nd would also like to knw how far u hve hold ur immediate govt. Accountable...

Where I'm from is irrelevant. Assume I'm from hell or from the Niger Delta and address what I've said. The current government has so far been dealing with the incompetence and mess of the previous administration. How can serious people send soldiers to war and steal the funds for their equipment? How can they be giving away money to terrorists who refuse to do any meaningful work? If the current government does stupid things, they'll be criticized too but they're yet to show the signs of incompetence of the last administration.

udemzy101:
With compensation u say? But u don't want FG to. Compensate them after spoiling their land and water? Hmmmmm... Which effective dialogue? You come to my land and spoil it when drilling oil, u refuse to pay me or even take care of my land, I got angry and you're telling me to dialogue, didn't you know that what you're doing will affect me?

Each time they blow up pipelines, they pollute their lands. Smart people would try to avoid that sort of catastrophe but not these selfish Niger Delta leaders.

udemzy101:
Like I said earlier, as long as FG is drilling oil there, they should continue to pay, If they find some irregularities, they should review the amnesty programme... That's all

The F.G already pays a certain percentage of money for mineral extraction to the community. So do the companies but it isn't enough for the so-called leaders of these terrorist groups. If they want amnesty, they should speak to their state leaders and the Niger Delta ministry not the Federal Government that has already paid out some money.

Legitbaba:
Same way schools hve been provided for d Northern kids abi?? Same way water is running in every tap in d north abi... The thin is.. Most of u are jst nt happy b cos d Niger Delta is so blessed.. U guys are jst envious nd wishing u hard at least half of wah d Niger delta is blessed with...
If u so much believe in d JTF... Pls go get ursef recruited nd ask dem to deploy u to d Niger Delta.. Lets see if u cn kill any militant with d said "one bullet"
Remove Niger Delta from Nigeria nd see how Zimbabwe would b laughing at Nigeria as one of the poorest countries in d world

Maybe those Northerners are smarter than those in the Niger Delta. They don't go about blowing up facilities that help them. Those in the Niger Delta blow up facilities that pollutes their rivers and they're complaining. If they can't see that these terrorists aren't helping them, then it is their fault. They need to hold their politicians responsible.

dragonking2:
I thought you guys said tompolo is a criminal that masterminded the bomb blast? Wasnt tompolo mentioned in the article? Seriously, you guys are confused...Buhari think say na bokoharam that cant ground the economy to a halt....Only one bomb blast and darkness has taken over the land...revenue has dropped seriously and buhari is here making threats...Maybe when all nigerians come to his house for free meal, then he will start behaving like someone in the 21st century.

They have done the worst they can do. Now it is the Federal Governments turn. This is what we have inherited from Jonathan's weakness and incompetence. He and senators from those regions should speak up.

DonBenny77:
so pipelines that hold nigeria runs through delta state n there isnt a federal university no jobs no opportunities n u xpect the youths to fold their hands n watch.
please use ur brains d oil belongs to d so called millitants

There's a Niger-Delta ministry, they have state governors and legislators are the people from that region simply stupid? Can't they work for construction companies to build things in their areas rather than try to sit back and collect money they didn't work for? The oil belongs to the country the people in the community will get a share not some single stupid terrorist threatening the community.

Tkester2:
Nonsense!!!
**** if you had any sense of defense strategy you would have known that comparing BH with ND militancy is miles apart. Boko haram is fighting in the desert, the militants are fighting in the creeks, and they always use their terrain to their advantage, check ur history, even the British that conquered the north and west couldn't conquer them and had to trick jaja of opobo into exile. I don't think u have ever visited the creeks

I can assure you that if the Nigerian military starts using drones, these people will stop their rubbish. The Nigerian military also trains in the creeks and will use informants to pick up enough people to stop their dastardly behaviour.