KingEbukasBlog:


These videos can help .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQkFlzFJ3kA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvj87QCF0lg

They didn't help. They're just more confused. They say humans aren't supposed to understand a person or persons that they worship. In such a situation, how do they know such a person or persons even have good intentions towards them?

If you understand it, why don't you explain the concept in your own words? Show me the way you arrived at your understanding. if you don't understand it, maybe it is because it is actually nonsense.

KingEbukasBlog:


I'm saying that God could be 5 , 6 , 100 , 100 000 consubstantial hypostases existing as one being . But as a christian , I accept that God is 3 consubstantial hypostases by faith .

And I said I can't explain it you perfectly considering how you struggle to understand even the simplest explanations

And stop making idiotic comments if you can't grasp these simple explanations . Geez

You're seriously trying to explain how three different people can be one person at the same time? Really?
Do you know the difference between three different people and one particular person? Or the difference between the ideas of three and one?

DeepSight:

Aseity

a·se·i·ty (ə-sē′ĭ-tē, ā-, -sā′-)

n. Philosophy
The state or quality of existing in and of oneself, without external cause.

What is the point of God?

KLand:


Nope. Not a myth. A true historical event.

Where did it happen?

PDBonline:


1. I guess you should read the statements you quoted again because the answers to your questions are right there.

Bullshit!

PDBonline:

2. My God will show Himself to you if you are willing to know Him. I don't need to be in the picture. "You will seek Me and find Me if you seek Me with all your heart," that's what He said. The responsibility is on you to seek Him for yourself.

Rubbish. Does your God want me to know him? If he does, how can I stop him from doing just that? How can a mere me stop an omnipotent entity from revealing himself to me?

PDBonline:

3. With a paradigm shift, things start taking on new meanings. Believe God exists and miracles happen first, then you can have the right frame of mind to understand why not everyone experiences miracles.

You're asking me to believe in talking animals before a God who is ominipotent will reveal himself? Why doesn't he reveal himself then I will believe in the talking animals? You see, you have reasonable thinking the wrong way around.

honourhim:


Its funny how you always struggle so hard to kick at testimonies like this. Seems you are so afraid of hell. Leave people with their experience. You cant change what someone said he experienced biko.

What if the person is lying?

PDBonline:


They are not special people. God gives people ability to do miracles when someone who needs it dares to believe Him for it. So it is not about the person who raised the dead but about the person who believes that God can raise his/her dead back to life.

Can you raise the dead? If not, which miracles can you perform?

PDBonline:

We are not serving a dead god or an idea to be argued about. Our God is a God of love who does miracles to help us where we can't help ourselves because He loves us. And it doesn't matter how wrongly you've talked about Him and how bad you've lived, He is gracious, full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy and He will answer you if you call on Him from the depth of your heart.

You are serving an idea until you can show us this God of yours. How about when people pray for miracles and nothing happens?

OLAADEGBU:


Was there any observation to all your assumptions?

Yes lots.

OLAADEGBU:

Evolution is imagination for adults.

The fact that you believe in creation myths doesn't mean anyone who disagrees with you does the same.

OLAADEGBU:

Check up the composition of sand then compare it with what you will find in humans and give me a feedback.

What do you think I would find?

OLAADEGBU:

If there is no observation how will you be able to analyse the evidence?

There is observation.

OLAADEGBU:

What we see is kinds producing after their kinds but we don't see ape-creatures evolving into humans.

What is a kind?

boss096:
his grace is enough.

You can pay me half of the money you give Oyedepo for tithes and offerings and I'll give you something more than grace.

wellstryme:
The right-wing is quick to condemn all of Islam like it’s a
singular entity, and hold every Muslim accountable for
the actions of a handful bad apples. As I’ve often said,
no one religion — not even Buddhism — has the “right”
to claim they’re non-violent. Holy War is one of those
things that cuts across all religions equally. And while
you can point this out to right-wingers, they won’t listen:
they’re quick to invoke Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-
Sheebab, or some other terrorist agency and pretend
they’re the sum total of all Muslims.
Well, there are Christian terrorist agencies that are just
as scary, and some of them just as bad if not worse,
than ISIS.
Read up on this christian terrorist groups and you will know you are just as violent as the muslims
1. Lord’s Resistance Army
2. Ku Klux's Klan
3. National Liberation Front of Tripura
4. Antibalaka
5. Catholic Reaction Force
6. The Orange Volunteers
7. The Aryan's Nation

Back in the days if you don't want to be a Christian you will be crucified or stoned to death..

Athiests deserves heaven more than you lots if it exists,cause you only call unto God because you are scared of him,if you all have free will the churches in Nigeria will be empty

Which ones are worse than ISIS?
If you're Muslim, please tell your co-religionists to open up their board for proper discussion. Or are they scared of ordinary Christians?

boss096:
That's my father. btw he is not only the richest in Africa but the richest in the world.

How much did he spend on your education?

hahn:
In Genesis, Lucifer comes and speaks to Eve in the garden of Eden. Since Jehovah is everywhere, where was it when this was happening? If it was there and chose not to intervene knowing Eve was too naive to outsmart Lucifer, why didn't it come in and stop Lucifer?

And if it let Lucifer have his way, why did it bother cursing Adam and Eve and all their generations for eternity?

Does this mean that Jehovah deliberately wanted Adam and Eve to fall and then punish them for it's own reasons?

An all powerful God should be able to do everything to ensure that it doesn't have to see it's children punished over something it could avoid. Don't you think?

Mature opinions please

Playing ludo with angel Gabriel

OLAADEGBU:
Where was God on September 11th? Why did God allow September 11th to happen? Was 911 a judgment from God?

Asleep

felixomor:


"it is limited to physical processes"

Then in another post "It is not a physical process".

Where did I say consciousness was not a physical process? That is the direct opposite of what I said here. Whenever you directly quote what I've said, please link to where I said it.

felixomor:

Chei, what else will I say again?
How else can i Show contradiction again?

It is well.

You can begin by first actually reading what I've written, then quoting it properly in context then you can show me the contradiction. It will be well when you can actually address what I've said. What do you think consciousness is?

felixomor:


Other people have even noticed the contradiction.

Who else has stated the noted "contradiction"?

felixomor:

U are clearly running away from the sentence u urself wrote: "It is limited to physical processes"

If u cant explain that sentence especially considering the fact that you used "limited".


Is it that u dont know what "limited" means before u used the word?

What more is there to explain? What do you understand by what I've said? I've already expanded on it so what exactly has you so confused? What do you think consciousness is?

Owliver:
consciousness is an abstract state(noun) like saying someone is mad. he's termed mad because his brain(physical) functions differently from accepted "normalcy" now would you say madness is spiritual? Choi una no go kill person.

Someone being mentally ill isn't an abstraction.

felixomor:


Let me give u benefit of doubt. Please explain the last sentence (highlighted again) and u just contradicted that last highlighted sentence again by saying "consciouness is not physical" in your last reply.

Read my entire sentence and explain the contradiction. I said it isn't a physical object, but a physical process. What exactly is the contratiction? And what do you think consciousness is?

felixomor:


Please who made the statement above? And what does that statement mean? with "limited" highlighted?

It means consciousness is not physical like the eye is but is a process like sight and consciousness is not magic.

UyiIredia:


Then if they are not the same why did you say consciousness was the physical process of neurons firing. And if you agree they are not the same why can't you see that as an effect of firing neurons consciousness is non-physical.

Honestly you're a very stupid fellow. I said one is caused by the other you repeated that quote yet you're here saying something else? Are you demented?

UyiIredia:

I have already told you how I made the inference. No need repeating myself to a dunce.

You didn't you mentally unbalanced slowpoke. Don't you know how to make inferences?

UyiIredia:

I don't see where it says natural selection adds anything to the genome. Variation has everything to do with the genome. Natural selection no.

This is why I have to say you're a very stupid fellow who seems to have problems reading information from an encyclopaedia. You're clearly too stupid to be trained. Any human who can read and read just the introductory paragraphs of that article would have understood the relationship between natural selection and genes but you're just too moronically idiotic to do this.

The first line on the third paragraph says this:

Wikipedia:
Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, but the genetic (heritable) basis of any phenotype that gives a reproductive advantage may become more common in a population (see allele frequency).

But you can't seem to string a thought in your nematode like brain to arrive at sensible conclusions yet you want to overturn the theory of evolution? You're so stupidly and blissfully ignorant that you can't seem to take the initiative to read and realize that there are relationships between sentences within paragraphs and paragraphs in an article.

UyiIredia:

Forgive away you daft dolt.

I recognize that you're the pig that George Bernard Shaw warned against when he recommended against wrestling with pigs. Clearly you enjoy being an idiot and flinging faeces. I'm done kicking at your swinish being and will have to leave you now. When you grow up, you can interact with adults. Until then, enjoy rolling in your filth.

felixomor:


The reticular activating system is not in charge of consciousness.
It was once thought to be.
Other parts of the brain that have also been thought to be behind consciousness include hypothalamus, pineal gland etc
But all have shown not to be the reason behind it.

I repeat, consciousness is yet to be limited to any physiological mechanism.

If it is so then some people wiill make the argument that plants and lower living things also have consciousness.
Please read this, its from a 2015 report of conference on the topic of consciousness by scientists and philosophers:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/21/-sp-why-cant-worlds-greatest-minds-solve-mystery-consciousness


The answer is still being highly sought.

I never said the reticular activating system was in charge of it but it plays an important role.

Merely repeating your assertion doesn't make it true. Your consciousness is limited to the physiological mechanism of your body. No we don't have to argue that plants or ants have consciousness since they're not humans.

Which paragraph says your God has anythign to do with consciousness? The fact that scientists don't know something doesn't mean your God did it neither does it mean that they know nothign at all.

felixomor:
No neurons in the brain have actually been found to be the reason behind consciousness.
Because even in the unconscious state, those neurons still fire.

This is of course false. Look up the reticular activating system. It is a cluster of neurones that are involved in wake, sleep and attention. Then also review the function of the cerebral cortex.

felixomor:

Had consciousness been a product of neurons firing, by now many people in vegetative states could have been restored over the years, by medics simply triggering the neurons to fire.

Do you know how difficult it can be to make these neurons fire? e.g have you considered the technological limitations and the ethics involved?

felixomor:

So consciousness remains 'unseen and untrapped' or limited to any physiological mechanism.

Looks like we have a grown up unlike some babies here who keep throwing fits.

Consciousness is a process not a "thing" and it is limited to physical mechanisms.

UyiIredia:


No. Because consciousness is something different from firing neurons. That makes all the difference.

I didn't say they were the same. I said one caused the other.

UyiIredia:

The only one whose reasoning is poor is yours.

How did you make your inference? I know you have poor thinking abilities and I've shown it but this is just your childishness manifesting itself.

UyiIredia:

Ah ! But how does this change occur. Not by adding new genetic information but by the death of unfit organisms and the flourishing of a better fit species. So in the end it still has nothing to do with the genetic code of a species.

Please take an elementary course in biology because you clearly are out of your depth. Fitness has nothing to do with genes? This sort of ignorance while speaking on these issues is just mindboggling. Take the time to read the Wikipedia article you started quoting because it looks like you don't understand what was written in it.

The very second paragraph says:

Wikipedia:
Variation exists within all populations of organisms. This occurs partly because random mutations arise in the genome of an individual organism, and offspring can inherit such mutations. Throughout the lives of the individuals, their genomes interact with their environments to cause variations in traits.

Learn to read please.

UyiIredia:

Continue forgiving you brainless buffoon.

And I forgive you again little punk.

UyiIredia:


But neurons firing is obviously different from the consciousness it produces. Neurons firing is not consciousness though it effects it.

Then what is your problem? You agree that neurons firing cause consciousness but you're confused because it is subjective? The fact that consciousness is caused by neurons firing is all that needs to be known.

UyiIredia:

No. It was inferred from the presence of consciousness. I'd you don't want to make the only rational inference to be made I can understand.

How did you make this inference because your premise wasn't good enough to make that inference. Your inference is just an empty assertion based on poor reasoning.

UyiIredia:

Natural selection is the differential survival of organism's better suited to their environment. It has nothing to.do with the genetic code and certainly cannot add new genetic information.

It has everything to do with new genetic information. Look at the next sentence you copied from Wikipedia.

Wikipedia:
It is a key mechanism of evolution, the change in heritable traits of a population over time.

What do you think heritable traits refers to?

UyiIredia:

Forgive away you brainless oaf.

I forgive you again child. Go and stop acting like a punk child.

UyiIredia:


What physical process ?

Neurones firing.

UyiIredia:

God is uncaused as a non-contingent conscious entity so his consciousness need not be explained.

Therefore, not all conscious entities come from other conscious entities. Now, how do you know your God actually exists and is this uncaused entity? Did he tell you?

UyiIredia:

There's no known observable natural process by which one can add new genetic information to an organism's genetic code. And you need to do that if you want to men from apes, or fishes from bacteria.

Natural selection is such a natural process. If you disagree, do your research and go for your Nobel Prize.

UyiIredia:

I don't take the words of a bumbling, imbecilic fool seriously.

And this is why you remain a foolish child trying to take on topics beyond your ken. Don't worry, I forgive your insolence ignorant child.

UyiIredia:


We don't observe consciousness as a physical process. I told you only one answer could be correct. We observe/percieve via consciousness.

You told me something wrong and I've pointed that out. We do observe consciousness as a physical process.

UyiIredia:

How so ?

The fact that for that premise to work, your God needs to have come from a concsious entity. So, which conscious entity did your God come from?

UyiIredia:

The only one spouting ignorant nonsense here is you. You have failed to show anything. There's nothing you've said to which a sufficient rebuttal hasn't been given.

Then show what is wrong with the theory of evolution and win your Nobel Prize.

UyiIredia:

Suit yourself in your stupïdity then. You like it.

This is why you'll remain a child. Your childish behaviour and thinking can't help but manifest itself.

UyiIredia:


It isnt. Do you observe consciousness or observe via consciousness ? Only one answer is correct.

We observe consciousness and perceive with consciousness.

UyiIredia:

You are not serious. God is uncaused.

Then that premise fails.

UyiIredia:

As I always say the theory of evolution is a failed theory. BTW my consciousness argument hasn't failed. The only failed thing is your ability to reason.

You've said a lot of ignorant things and this is just one along those lines. I showed you how it failed above.

UyiIredia:

Meh. Suit yourself.

I will.

UyiIredia:


This doesn't apply when something (ie consciousness) is doing the observing.

That's a rubbish rule you just made up.

UyiIredia:

I already stated why in my former argument. Conscious beings come from conscious beings remember.

Which conscious being did your God come from? Can give you a hint. Humans.

UyiIredia:

I can't physically demonstrate God because God is not a physical being. But I can provide arguments that show that God exists without a shadow of doubt. The argument from consciousness is the most powerful arguments that indubitably proves there is a God. The next most powerful argument is the argument from design in life.

Having lots of bad arguments doesn't somehow make them good arguments. Your so-called argument from consciousness has already failed and the theory of evolution neatly explains why living organisms appear designed.

UyiIredia:

I first said it of your atheism.

Still what I say about your God.

UyiIredia:


But is not observed as a physical process. Which is why I say consciousness is not physical.

Observing something requires that what is being observed be physical.

UyiIredia:

What matters is that God caused consciousness to come about.

How do you know this?

UyiIredia:

Conscious beings arise from conscious beings. So humans arise from a conscious being, God.

You've not actually demonstrated that your God exists. You need to show that your God exists before you can say that humans arose from him.

UyiIredia:

Believe what you will that doesn't make it true.

That's what I say about your God.

KingEbukaNaija:


God took the life he created , what's the problem or how is that nefarious ?

It is nefarious in declaring that it is a good idea to kill 6 month old babies because they're boys.

KingEbukaNaija:


No one tells me that but many people have impugned your intelligence because of the ignorant posts you make . I think you should pay attention to them

I know you guys have bad to no arguments and I can see that you're getting desperate. I will humour you. Which posts bother you so much? And why do they have this effect of making you lose your mind?

KingEbukaNaija:
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All these atheists we have on Nairaland , they claim they have moral compass when apparently they have none .

As long as you think your God is good, it would indicate that you don't just lack a moral compass, but your compass confuses evil for good.

KingEbukaNaija:


Lmao ... oh boy o' boy ! You were told you don't make intellectual points and I thought I was the only one that made that observation . Discussing evolution is your forte , please just stick to that .

What was anti-intellectual about what I said? I know you find it difficult recognizing intellectual issues even when they smack you in the face but don't attribute your ignorance to me.