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KingEbukasBlog:
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There is no rationale behind atheism . These questions are otiose to an atheist . We as logical beings try to involve science , cosmology in our discussions with them just to let them know how stupid atheism , I'm glad most of them are now receiving sense . Atheism is a mental disease .

From someone who believes that one person is three people and three people are one person. Someone who believes that donkeys can talk and zombies roamed cities 2000 years ago.

KingEbukasBlog:
He already knows he'll change course even before he did . Here's an example you should be familiar with : God asked men to immolate animals for the atonement of sin in the Old Testament, right ; what then happens in the New Testament? Christ now laid his life for us so that through Him our sins can be forgiven . What's the goal : atonement for sins ; and the paths taken to achieve that was animal sacrifice at first and then Christ himself later .

So God knew he was going to change his mind yet he let thousands of animals and at least one person to be killed as sacrifice? You present this story of Christ as if it were an actual sacrifice or even a good thing. It was neither.

KingEbukasBlog:
Now look at this : Even before the universe was caused to exist , God already knew that Christ would come to die for the sins of man ( this is my opinion and I believe some Christians will agree with me) . So with this , will you say God decided to change course to achieve the same goal or he just acted out you know his foreknowledge ? And this knowledge is God's free knowledge - the knowledge of things that will be.

Yes I would say he decided to ineffectively change course and still fail despite the fact that he has all this knowledge.

KingEbukasBlog:
Of course he wants you in Heaven . But it's left for you to choose - that's your expression of FREEWILL . According to Deuteronomy 15:19

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

God has laid out a gamut of possible choices for us to make and since he knows what is good for us , he wants us to CHOOSE life . Life is all about choices as my newly converted friend would always tell me , it's up to us ; where we are today is due to the choices we made yesterday , what we will be tomorrow would be due to choices we make today .

Let me get this straight. He wants me in heaven, knows what to do but has refused to do it? Come on. If he really wanted me to make an informed decision, he knows what to do. Since he doesn't do it, I can conclude that he either doesn't want me or isn't there.

KingEbukasBlog:
Brutal crimes , natural disasters , accidents ,life's vicissitudes - all these are adversities man faces and God has promised he would see his people through trials and tribulations .

There's a difference between a hurricane killing 12 people and a serial killer killing 12 people. The police would try to stop the serial killer by inhibitting his freewill but not the hurricane.

KingEbukasBlog:
Are you saying FREEWILL is evil ?

No, I'm saying your God is evil for saying that freewill prevents him from stopping a series of rape he knows will occur and has the power to prevent from occurring. I would also say that a police officer who knew a series of rape would occur and had the power to stop them but refused to stop them was also evil.

KingEbukasBlog:
Changing his mind does not mean he actually made a poor decision at first , it just means he has changed course to achieve a particular goal . God can have a thousand and one ways to achieve a goal . He already knows that a particular point or instance he would switch courses as a prescient being .

Changing his mind means he made a decision. Why would he have to change course if he already knows everything that will happen?

KingEbukasBlog:
Of course . If you need a certain experience to could possibly make you believe in God , then he could let you experience it .

Why doesn't he? Doesn't he want me in heaven?

KingEbukasBlog:
FREEWILL .

Not good enough. We as ordinary humans want to inhibit the freewill of criminals. Does God think so little of victims of brutal crimes?

KingEbukasBlog:
Plus , Only God Himself knows why he does not intervene in every situation ; I don't know as a human , my knowledge is limited . Also , remember that God has His own freedom of will as a personal God , so he expresses anytime he wants to

Sure only God knows why but why should someone like me think it is a good reason? Is that really the best way for an omnipotent and omniscient entity to make a good world?

KingEbukasBlog:
An omniscient being does not need to think . A prescient being only needs to act not to decide . Making a decision entails acting out your thoughts due to uncertainty of the future .

But God has been known to change his mind based on what someone did. Isn't that due to making a decision?

KingEbukasBlog:
But is God really omniscient? God is actually beyond omniscient : God has all propositional knowledge and the appropriate non propositional knowledge. Having all propositional knowledge means God knows all truths , that is the knowledge of everything ; and having the appropriate non propositional knowledge is like God knowing He is omnipotent , immutable , eternal . But does God know that he is the thehomer ? Of course not . You can say I am thehomer , but God can't say that . God does not know what it feels like to be a sinner but he knows that a sinner feels guilty . So God cannot have all non propositional knowledge but can have only the appropriate non propositional knowledge .

Does God know what will make thehomer start believing in him?

KingEbukasBlog:
There are three characteristics of God's knowledge : natural knowledge , free knowledge and middle knowledge . Natural knowledge are necessary truths , free knowledge are contingent truths , middle knowledge is like the middle . Natural knowledge things that could be , middle knowledge things that would be and free knowledge things that will be .

Sure.

KingEbukasBlog:
There are many philosophers and theologians that believe that God made a descision but in my opinion , he just acted out his foreknowledge.

If that is the case, why did he need sacrifices in the past? If your God knows via his foreknowledge which serial killers are about to start killing, why doesn't he act? When ordinary human police officers have such information, they try to prevent it, why not God?

Joshthefirst:
You misunderstand. God has revealed himself as three persons.

Is your God one person or three people?

Joshthefirst:
And when I say he is the sum total of all existence, I don't mean all fractions and niches of existent verities add up to him. I mean existence itself and everything in our reality is contained in him. He is boundless and everything. A being who is "everything" cannot be duplicated, as the very definition of his presence takes up limitless infinity.

Do you mean that your God is the Cosmos?

Joshthefirst:
As I have said, I don't mean our collective consciousness equals God. I mean God's limitlessness contains all of existence and reality.

So your God is the Cosmos. How then can it actually have coherent thoughts and ideas?

So God couldn't protect this pastor?
If this story is true, why not just tell the pastor to zip up?

Joshthefirst:
God is revealed as a community of three persons, yet one being. The very definition of God's nature shows that he is the sum total of all existence and all reality. This obviously means that every form of existence that is manifest in reality is a subunit of his boundless limitlessness.

You are confused. If your God is the sum total of all existence, then he is more than three persons since more than three persons exist in this reality.

Joshthefirst:
There can't be any other being that exists as God, because this ultimate being(God) is the sum total of existence. Any other personality revealed will be the same being.
God has revealed himself as three persons, A Father, a Son, and a Spirit. Simple.

You just said there were three beings that exist as God and that all human beings are a subset of your God. Humans are individual persons therefore we have more than three persons that are a part of your God.

orisa37:
Very good! Only God is Good---Step one.
Believe in Others in their Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding----The Discernment of The Faithfuls---Then you're wise and better----Step two.

The Christian God is not good. I accept the wisdom of others after they demonstrate such wisdom. The faithful aren't very discerning. If they were, they won't be faithful.

orisa37:
Do you believe in yourself?

Yes.

orisa37:
God is Everywhere and Nowhere.

No he isn't.

DeepSight:
It is the very point on which all existence rests.
The singular point which is the "necessary permanent something" that makes all existence possible, as opposed to nothingness.

Does this God of yours think? Does it make any decisions at all?

KingEbukasBlog:
These videos can help .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQkFlzFJ3kA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvj87QCF0lg

They didn't help. They're just more confused. They say humans aren't supposed to understand a person or persons that they worship. In such a situation, how do they know such a person or persons even have good intentions towards them?

If you understand it, why don't you explain the concept in your own words? Show me the way you arrived at your understanding. if you don't understand it, maybe it is because it is actually nonsense.

KingEbukasBlog:
I'm saying that God could be 5 , 6 , 100 , 100 000 consubstantial hypostases existing as one being . But as a christian , I accept that God is 3 consubstantial hypostases by faith .

And I said I can't explain it you perfectly considering how you struggle to understand even the simplest explanations

And stop making idiotic comments if you can't grasp these simple explanations . Geez

You're seriously trying to explain how three different people can be one person at the same time? Really?
Do you know the difference between three different people and one particular person? Or the difference between the ideas of three and one?

DeepSight:
Aseity

a·se·i·ty (ə-sē′ĭ-tē, ā-, -sā′-)

n. Philosophy
The state or quality of existing in and of oneself, without external cause.

What is the point of God?

KLand:
Nope. Not a myth. A true historical event.

Where did it happen?

PDBonline:
1. I guess you should read the statements you quoted again because the answers to your questions are right there.

Bullshit!

PDBonline:
2. My God will show Himself to you if you are willing to know Him. I don't need to be in the picture. "You will seek Me and find Me if you seek Me with all your heart," that's what He said. The responsibility is on you to seek Him for yourself.

Rubbish. Does your God want me to know him? If he does, how can I stop him from doing just that? How can a mere me stop an omnipotent entity from revealing himself to me?

PDBonline:
3. With a paradigm shift, things start taking on new meanings. Believe God exists and miracles happen first, then you can have the right frame of mind to understand why not everyone experiences miracles.

You're asking me to believe in talking animals before a God who is ominipotent will reveal himself? Why doesn't he reveal himself then I will believe in the talking animals? You see, you have reasonable thinking the wrong way around.

honourhim:
Its funny how you always struggle so hard to kick at testimonies like this. Seems you are so afraid of hell. Leave people with their experience. You cant change what someone said he experienced biko.

What if the person is lying?

PDBonline:
They are not special people. God gives people ability to do miracles when someone who needs it dares to believe Him for it. So it is not about the person who raised the dead but about the person who believes that God can raise his/her dead back to life.

Can you raise the dead? If not, which miracles can you perform?

PDBonline:
We are not serving a dead god or an idea to be argued about. Our God is a God of love who does miracles to help us where we can't help ourselves because He loves us. And it doesn't matter how wrongly you've talked about Him and how bad you've lived, He is gracious, full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy and He will answer you if you call on Him from the depth of your heart.

You are serving an idea until you can show us this God of yours. How about when people pray for miracles and nothing happens?

OLAADEGBU:
Was there any observation to all your assumptions?

Yes lots.

OLAADEGBU:
Evolution is imagination for adults.

The fact that you believe in creation myths doesn't mean anyone who disagrees with you does the same.

OLAADEGBU:
Check up the composition of sand then compare it with what you will find in humans and give me a feedback.

What do you think I would find?

OLAADEGBU:
If there is no observation how will you be able to analyse the evidence?

There is observation.

OLAADEGBU:
What we see is kinds producing after their kinds but we don't see ape-creatures evolving into humans.

What is a kind?

boss096:
his grace is enough.

You can pay me half of the money you give Oyedepo for tithes and offerings and I'll give you something more than grace.

wellstryme:
The right-wing is quick to condemn all of Islam like it’s a
singular entity, and hold every Muslim accountable for
the actions of a handful bad apples. As I’ve often said,
no one religion — not even Buddhism — has the “right”
to claim they’re non-violent. Holy War is one of those
things that cuts across all religions equally. And while
you can point this out to right-wingers, they won’t listen:
they’re quick to invoke Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-
Sheebab, or some other terrorist agency and pretend
they’re the sum total of all Muslims.
Well, there are Christian terrorist agencies that are just
as scary, and some of them just as bad if not worse,
than ISIS.
Read up on this christian terrorist groups and you will know you are just as violent as the muslims
1. Lord’s Resistance Army
2. Ku Klux's Klan
3. National Liberation Front of Tripura
4. Antibalaka
5. Catholic Reaction Force
6. The Orange Volunteers
7. The Aryan's Nation

Back in the days if you don't want to be a Christian you will be crucified or stoned to death..

Athiests deserves heaven more than you lots if it exists,cause you only call unto God because you are scared of him,if you all have free will the churches in Nigeria will be empty

Which ones are worse than ISIS?
If you're Muslim, please tell your co-religionists to open up their board for proper discussion. Or are they scared of ordinary Christians?

boss096:
That's my father. btw he is not only the richest in Africa but the richest in the world.

How much did he spend on your education?

hahn:
In Genesis, Lucifer comes and speaks to Eve in the garden of Eden. Since Jehovah is everywhere, where was it when this was happening? If it was there and chose not to intervene knowing Eve was too naive to outsmart Lucifer, why didn't it come in and stop Lucifer?

And if it let Lucifer have his way, why did it bother cursing Adam and Eve and all their generations for eternity?

Does this mean that Jehovah deliberately wanted Adam and Eve to fall and then punish them for it's own reasons?

An all powerful God should be able to do everything to ensure that it doesn't have to see it's children punished over something it could avoid. Don't you think?

Mature opinions please

Playing ludo with angel Gabriel

OLAADEGBU:
Where was God on September 11th? Why did God allow September 11th to happen? Was 911 a judgment from God?

Asleep

felixomor:
"it is limited to physical processes"

Then in another post "It is not a physical process".

Where did I say consciousness was not a physical process? That is the direct opposite of what I said here. Whenever you directly quote what I've said, please link to where I said it.

felixomor:
Chei, what else will I say again?
How else can i Show contradiction again?

It is well.

You can begin by first actually reading what I've written, then quoting it properly in context then you can show me the contradiction. It will be well when you can actually address what I've said. What do you think consciousness is?

felixomor:
Other people have even noticed the contradiction.

Who else has stated the noted "contradiction"?

felixomor:
U are clearly running away from the sentence u urself wrote: "It is limited to physical processes"

If u cant explain that sentence especially considering the fact that you used "limited".


Is it that u dont know what "limited" means before u used the word?

What more is there to explain? What do you understand by what I've said? I've already expanded on it so what exactly has you so confused? What do you think consciousness is?

Owliver:
consciousness is an abstract state(noun) like saying someone is mad. he's termed mad because his brain(physical) functions differently from accepted "normalcy" now would you say madness is spiritual? Choi una no go kill person.

Someone being mentally ill isn't an abstraction.

felixomor:
Let me give u benefit of doubt. Please explain the last sentence (highlighted again) and u just contradicted that last highlighted sentence again by saying "consciouness is not physical" in your last reply.

Read my entire sentence and explain the contradiction. I said it isn't a physical object, but a physical process. What exactly is the contratiction? And what do you think consciousness is?

felixomor:
Please who made the statement above? And what does that statement mean? with "limited" highlighted?

It means consciousness is not physical like the eye is but is a process like sight and consciousness is not magic.

UyiIredia:
Then if they are not the same why did you say consciousness was the physical process of neurons firing. And if you agree they are not the same why can't you see that as an effect of firing neurons consciousness is non-physical.

Honestly you're a very stupid fellow. I said one is caused by the other you repeated that quote yet you're here saying something else? Are you demented?

UyiIredia:
I have already told you how I made the inference. No need repeating myself to a dunce.

You didn't you mentally unbalanced slowpoke. Don't you know how to make inferences?

UyiIredia:
I don't see where it says natural selection adds anything to the genome. Variation has everything to do with the genome. Natural selection no.

This is why I have to say you're a very stupid fellow who seems to have problems reading information from an encyclopaedia. You're clearly too stupid to be trained. Any human who can read and read just the introductory paragraphs of that article would have understood the relationship between natural selection and genes but you're just too moronically idiotic to do this.

The first line on the third paragraph says this:

Wikipedia: Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, but the genetic (heritable) basis of any phenotype that gives a reproductive advantage may become more common in a population (see allele frequency).

But you can't seem to string a thought in your nematode like brain to arrive at sensible conclusions yet you want to overturn the theory of evolution? You're so stupidly and blissfully ignorant that you can't seem to take the initiative to read and realize that there are relationships between sentences within paragraphs and paragraphs in an article.

UyiIredia:
Forgive away you daft dolt.

I recognize that you're the pig that George Bernard Shaw warned against when he recommended against wrestling with pigs. Clearly you enjoy being an idiot and flinging faeces. I'm done kicking at your swinish being and will have to leave you now. When you grow up, you can interact with adults. Until then, enjoy rolling in your filth.

felixomor:
The reticular activating system is not in charge of consciousness.
It was once thought to be.
Other parts of the brain that have also been thought to be behind consciousness include hypothalamus, pineal gland etc
But all have shown not to be the reason behind it.

I repeat, consciousness is yet to be limited to any physiological mechanism.

If it is so then some people wiill make the argument that plants and lower living things also have consciousness.
Please read this, its from a 2015 report of conference on the topic of consciousness by scientists and philosophers:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/21/-sp-why-cant-worlds-greatest-minds-solve-mystery-consciousness


The answer is still being highly sought.

I never said the reticular activating system was in charge of it but it plays an important role.

Merely repeating your assertion doesn't make it true. Your consciousness is limited to the physiological mechanism of your body. No we don't have to argue that plants or ants have consciousness since they're not humans.

Which paragraph says your God has anythign to do with consciousness? The fact that scientists don't know something doesn't mean your God did it neither does it mean that they know nothign at all.

felixomor:
No neurons in the brain have actually been found to be the reason behind consciousness.
Because even in the unconscious state, those neurons still fire.

This is of course false. Look up the reticular activating system. It is a cluster of neurones that are involved in wake, sleep and attention. Then also review the function of the cerebral cortex.

felixomor:
Had consciousness been a product of neurons firing, by now many people in vegetative states could have been restored over the years, by medics simply triggering the neurons to fire.

Do you know how difficult it can be to make these neurons fire? e.g have you considered the technological limitations and the ethics involved?

felixomor:
So consciousness remains 'unseen and untrapped' or limited to any physiological mechanism.

Looks like we have a grown up unlike some babies here who keep throwing fits.

Consciousness is a process not a "thing" and it is limited to physical mechanisms.