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plaetton: No surprise that it is an "anything goes" religion.

8-)8-)8-)Exactly.

frosbel: There is no reason to attack Iran because Iran is not a threat to anybody.

Really, you the first christian i hear say this.

And so arent there similar laws in the Old testament.

They are the undiluted word of God!!!

Even if Iran acquires nuclear bombs it is unlikely it will deploy it in any offensive move because of the global repercusions.

Isreal itself is believed to have nuclear bombs, so why shouldnt Iran acquire such for its defence just in case isreal goes on the offensive.

We should remember that theonly country to have used a nuclear bomb any country's population is the US, and they are the very ones Policing the world mtwwwwwww.

You are right the US is not likely to support any Isreali war, at least till after the US election.

What.......nuclear bombs replenish the planet? Abi you dont know the meaning of nuclear bomb?

Well, as a result of the radiation left over by the many nuclear bombs ,the earth would inhabitable for the nxt 1000 yrs or so.

As such for jesus to establish any kingdom he have to move to MARS. That might the nxt man infested planet.

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The U.S and isreal, together with the U:K and other western countries, have so far been the only power who saw for themselves to decide other countries future and dominate the middle-east.
Nevertheless, the world's power balance is changing , the financial crisis is getting stronger, and in a potential global war scenario the worlds soceity could split up into two new opposing deployments with new big powers rising to prominence with a potential U:S at one end and a likely China at the other .

Has the time come for a new war?

Iran is not a democratic and liberla country, that is absolutely true, and surel there is apossibility that it has or plans to gain nuclear weapons but is this not the case with other countries in the world too?
Should other countries attack isreal for the same reasons?

There is no certainty of a factory for nuclear bomb, as there is no proof of an Iranian plan to attack Israel or the U.S at an unspecified time in the future.
As far I remember, the only country that used the atomic bomb against another country's population in history of man was the U.S - also known as Qthe democracy exporters"-, and israel, even if it is widely believed that they have nuclear weapons as well, has never been attacked or invaded for disarmament and is not considered as a potential threat (by western countries).

What is difficult to understand is why the world should continue to tolerate the never -ending aggressive attitude of israel and further more, why the State of Isreal should believe they have the right to attack Iran on the assumption that "Iranians are, afterall, a nation whose leaders have set themselves a strategic goal of wiping Israel off the map".

If we look back on history it almost seems that the creation of The State of Isreal did nothing more than cause constant instability and insecurity in the middle-east. Involving even far away countries in the west in it's never ending dispute.

The majority of the world nations have diplomatic relations with the jewish state, and for some countries like US this reationship is exceptionally strong.

On the other haned since the Islamic revolution in 1979 relation between Iran and Isreal have turned hostile and Iran has instead developed good relations with Isreal's opponents and with so-called "rogue states" and their allies.
Therefore it is not surprising that the possibility of a conflict between Isreal and Iran might lead to world disasters.

According to the latest media reports, the threat of a possible Isreali attack on Iran seems impending. Morever Isreal leaders have publicly stated that a military actio against Iran is being considered as a preventive form of defence in case Iran fails to halt it's nuclear program.

At this point, the burning questions are many ;Will Isreal really attack Iran? What would be Irans reactions? What will the western countries do in case of real attack - especially the United States? Will the attack cause a chain reaction? Are Iran allies and "friends" ready to intervene and take part in possible conflict?
Will this be the triggering event for a third world war? Might it be an atomic war - meaning an actual catastrophe for humanity?

Delafruita: NUCLEAR world was 3 starts

Perhaps it will lead to Armagedon predicted by religionists.

This is just another excuse to attack another country, the same way the US ans Uk invented the ''weapons of mass distortion'' in Iraq.

The US want a war with Iraq and isreal is going to help them to start it. The excuse is Uran has nuclear weapons...but hold on, so doea Uk, Usa, isreal, india, russia and many other countries, so what right do they have to say Iran cant have some also to defend themselves. It should be an international law every country to dispose off their nuclear weapon.

For the past few days the trending news in the middle east is isreal's treat to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. What will be the like scenario if this happens?

@ FROSBEL THESE PEOPLE DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE NOT THE DESTRUCTION METED ON THEM BY YOUR LOVING YAHWEH. THEY DESERVED THE LOVE APPROUCH AS ADOPTED BY god JESUS, except of-course they diff persons.

@OP , I have also raised similar questions in response to Mr. FROSBEL'S comparism of the muslims's ALLAH and the God of the new testament , when he describes Jesus as a lving god and Allah as violent war mongering. I remind him of the murderous activities of Yahweh in the old testament, and ask him ABI NO BE THE SAME GOD.

@FROSBEL, SO WHEN YOU GO AROUND MOCKING THE MUSLIM ALLAH AS A HATEFULL BLOOD THIRSTY GOD, I WILL REMIND YOU THAT THE PEOPLE OF SODOM , NOAH E.T.C DESERVED LOVE AND PERHAPS IF YAHWEH HAD ADOPTED SUBTLE NON VIOLENT WAYS THEY MAY CHANGE THEIR WAYS.

True talk

[quote author=Evil Brain
Time makes the most ridiculous things look legitimate. Preachers, religions, buildings and even pröstitutes all become respectable if they live long enough. It's a fact of life.[/quote]

Also God promised ismail that from him shall he build a great nation. I doubt God will refer an idolterous nation as Great nation.

Yah, You are right however solomon was a better womanizer with 700 wifes, and You will agree he was blessed.

frosbel: I have to say that while ISLAM can be violent, the most violent nation on earth is actually the US of A.

NOW YOU TALKING!!!

Nimshi: Actually:

1) Yes, Allah's Prophet became violent; but initially, he was peace-loving, until, of course, Islam became the dominant religion

2) But, how's Jesus any different? In his first coming, he was peaceful, but most and/or all Christian sects accept that his second coming will be quite very violent. Isn't that so? Mohammed's violence will be 'nothing' compared to the 'violence' predicted for non-Christians when Jesus the Christ returns.

It is a mistake to present the Christian God as pacifist. Yahweh, or Jehovah, the tribal god of the Jews is clear to present as a 'manly person of war' (he's lived up that reputation by engaging in serial genocides, infanticide, and all sorts); Jesus presented as a reformed version of that deity, but only for a while. . .

So please, it isn't pretty to misrepresent the Christian God as only loving; he is able to wage war and win it; his peaceful posture must not be mistaken as pacifist.

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Thank You very much, I have said it times without number the only way for christians to dissociate themselves completely from anything violent is if they shed off the old testament.


Also it is beginning to seems as if the God of the new testament is not the same as the God of new testament.

Frosbel says the God he serves only wins soul through love, whatt about all the innocent lifes during the Noah episode, or the people God destroyed in Sodom and Gomorah For exercising their free wills, or the many genocide perpetrated by God's Poeple on innocent lifes on Jehovah's command, Frosbel Shoul tell us if these People did not deserve the Love approach.

Something that puzzles me about the Bible Quran and religion in general is why there are no new prophets? Why all the centuries ago, did God 'reveal' himself to the prophets of the Bible and Quran and then seemingly just stop! That makes no sense to me.

I reasonably assume if God reveals himself to a new prophet tomorrow, this person would be considered a raving nut-job and probably mentally ill, even by the most devout of believers.

So why did god chose to only reveal himself to prophet of the ''stone ages'' when people hardly knew anything and could not scientifically verify such claims.

Why doesn't god reveal himself anymore?

chipmunkey: Is it valid that prophet Muhamed (mhsrip) learnt most of his teachings from certain jews during his early days of travels, hence the similarities with biblical teachings.

Islam claims to be an abrahamic religion so what do you expect; that his teaching would be similar with the teaching of sango?.

Chater 2 verse 34 of the quran says:
And(remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam." And they prostrated except Iblis (satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah).

Chapter 7 : 11-18 says,

11. And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being); then We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves to Adam", and they prostraed themselves, except Iblis (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrated themselves.

12. (Allah) said: "What prevented you (O Iblis) that you did not prostrate yourself, when I commanded you?" Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam), You createdme from fire, and him You created from clay."

13. (Allah) said:"(Iblis) get down from this (paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."

14. (Iblis) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up(i.e r the Day of Ressurection)."

15.(Allah) said : "You are of those respited."

16. (iblis) said: "Because You Have sent me astray, surely. I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your straigth path.

17."Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful one(ie they will not be dutiful to You)."

18. (Allah ) said(to Iblis):"Get out from this (Paradise), disgraced and expelled.
Whoever of them (Mankind) will follow you, then surely, I will fill Hell with you all."

Am not quite sure but i think the muslims believe Satan to be from among the JINN.

According to Quranic verses satan's problem started after the creation of Adam hwen God ordered the hosts of heaven to bow to his new creation to mark his superiority. Satan arrogantly refused to bow saying he cant bow to a creation from clay as he was created from fire.

. Mr clown am no muslim but it just irritates me when you go about peddling lies.

If anbody is engaging in idolatory its you and your christian cohort and your MAN-WORSHIP.

You say Allah of the muslims was an idol Ahmad sort to glorify over other gods, applying this sense to the people of moses we can conclude that Jehovah was an Idol moses sort to glorify over other gods.