WTF!!
ewww

TMKsouth:

Tackle him right on and not on the sidelines.
Checkout my new thread.

I'm done with him
fake surgeon

fools that cant think out of the box are very many on nairaland

imagine that fool talking rubbish with me because he has memorised some trashy vocabulary

Adakintroy:
Nigerians are too predictable with response.


Everything is an opportunity to bash their country. We such a disgrace. Ask them way forward them no go fit talk just steady insult for country. Anyone can criticize but it takes a great mind to discuss solution.

exactly bro
they are just too dumb
and they are still the ones that would vote stupid leaders over tribal thinking

especially the IPOB guys

Abohboy:


Was he talking GDP per capita or GDP nominal in any case I hate that man and I hope Moghalu becomes the next president he was able to stabilize the currency at N100 back in the late 00s and is very clearly much smarter and more capable then any other leader currently trying to run for president he's the only true third force party leader that could win the next election for Nigeria

you're saying rubbish

nobody is more fit than Osibanjo

Torture2020:
Illiterate, Dumb goat what do you have stuffed inside your head? saw dust or pieces of rags? I'm not surprised you can't read dumb dumb dumb change your name to Dumbscriber

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cab you see that madness is a generational curse in your family
can you now see that your future is black?

you weren't able to win the argument and you resort to posting education stats?

i blame your grandfather for taking a bet on his descendants destiny

you have no future. Chale

TMKsouth:


Contradictions because you didn't watch the video and the Doc already spoke about the human intervention in the case of a malfunction. But here u are talking about programmers making mistake when initially you put all your trust in the human touch.

oh!!!

so now you're mixing the human touch and robot..

so what does the robot solve?
it uses more electricity
it increases time for surgeon training (have to learn how to use the "robot"
it is prone to glitches
it is likely to be less fluid than a real surgeon


so I personally don't really see any much improvement

TMKsouth:


There are people who do that all the time in human trials so that us ordinary citizens don't have to make that choice. I'd like to believe by the time those doctors operate on real patients they're already experts.

you haven't answered

yes or

no?

TMKsouth:


He didn't watch the YouTube video I provided. He only uses his data to search for porn.

I don't watch porn

now answer this

would you gladly give yourself to test the robot?

I really need an answer

juniorstar:

Guess you are yet to see an operation where the davinci robotic system is used but from the pics ..there is an operator who controls the robotic arm..

answer this question before we move on

would you gladly give yourself to test the "robot"?

answer this or I won't reply any longer

TMKsouth:


Contradictions everywhere. What's your point exactly ?

where is the "contradiction"?

are you trying to say that you can't read?

juniorstar:

So surgeons dont get fatigued. After long hours .any device can malfunction that is why humans are there. If it malfunctions you change it..its that simple..guess you prefer a fatigued surgeon in the OR standing for 13hrs and you expect him not to mistakenly forget a gauze or suture in your body cavity.

you're talking in the ideal sense,the world is not ideal.
will the "robot" be hand operated or mostly\ totally AI?

if it is AI expect more casualties than with normal surgeons.
do you realise that the programmers are also human? and can make mistakes?

why do you think most techy rich people don't want self driving cars?

I repeat

would you gladly let yourself be used to test the "perfect" robot?

it's probably because I used pidgin in my first post that you think I'm dumb

TMKsouth:


cc Kingcold JaceBlaze

very pathetic.
good bye to you too bloody irresponsible fools

ThankYouGod:
I will delete my account if this trash is moved to the front page.

seconded

that will confirm that nairaland has totally lost it

I will try to see seun personally

TMKsouth:


That's coz whenever u move in, we move out. So we left u to your own devices, just like u guys always say Makoko is made up of West African migrants.

The ANC said SA belonged to all who live in it and we watched that horror movie play out until locals got fed up and we began being labelled xenophobic.

you move out?
do you know how stupid that sounds?

when did any Nigerian ever say makoko was made up of west African migrants?
you're a really crazy liar
like WTF!?
you don't need to lie to prove any point!!


I'm out of here abeg

very pathetic scumbags

juniorstar:
thanks for giving Me heads up!!

you think you smart because you wrote a pile of verbose trash?

who said it won't be more effective?


I simply said
'"until it malfunctions" and you're wrapping up nonesense vocabulary for me?

who are you trying to impress?


would you gladly give yourself to test the robot?

fools everywhere

TMKsouth:


Southern Africa has all these and some. Nigerians in just 2 blocks in Hillbrow alone represent all those 543 languages you spoke about. Angola and Mozambique are our Cape Verde. Arab migrants are plenty, and we have the largest white and Asian communities in all of Africa. And whatever race those people in Madagascar are - add them too.

I am talking indigenous

if you don't know there are also many Africans Lebanese,Indians, Chinese and co in Nigeria

even if we're talking migrants,west Africa still trumps

obaaderemi:
I am 17. Not yet legible for alcohol consumption.

I am two years. I'm still suckling

TMKsouth:


It would even be worse if just 40,000 Nigerians had the capacity to turn whole SA towns like Hillbrow into slum-like ghettos in just a matter of a few years. I hail you guys - you're true human termites.

you're actually very stupid

you guys never stand and check yourselves. if 40 thousand Nigerians can suddenly disparage whole cities in your country

don't you think you the owners are stupid?

all vices done must be attributed to Nigerians or Zimbabweans or Mozambicans

you're very pathetic

I guess your politicians are Nigerians or Zimbabweans

bloody fools

TMKsouth:


West Africa is the most diverse part of Africa because of one half Arab country - Mauritania

Anyway, Buhari is a sellout if that's the case.

you should know that I don't just talk
Nigeria alone has 543 languages
Nigeria has all types of black people on earth (nilo-saharan, Niger-Congo and afro Asiatic)
west Africa has Cabo Verde (Portuguese speaking) with pardos (mixed blacks and Portuguese)
we have Arabs too there are shuwa Arabs in Nigeria, Niger republic, Mali)

TMKsouth:


We're feeding you right now in your hundreds of thousands so u should respect US coz we're your gods and treat u any which way we so wish.

And point of correction - SA leaders were exiled, not economic refugees and there were only a handful - not hundreds of thousands which have turned whole SA towns like Hillbrow, Sunnyside, Berea and Yeoville into slum refugee camps. You should be ashamed of yourself and drunk on your "expensive" alcohol - coz that's your foremost priority in life including sex

I think you can prove a point without lying
Nigerians in South Africa are not more than up to 40 000

just stop lying

TMKsouth:


Yeah, joining ECOWAS instead of the north Africans is rather desperate considering the missing cultural links. But West Africa will definitely vote for them to host major football events considering how soccer mad y'all are and the close proximity.

Buhari is the morrocan leaders friend

west Africa is the most diverse part of Africa
check out Mauritania.
if Mauritania can be in ECOWAS why cant morroco?

TMKsouth:


They're making a comeback though in West Africa and the AU. And u guys are allowing it. Even Israel is beginning to stink up the AU.

how?

I pity anyone that is used to test this. there's a reason robots are not used in stuff like this

even perfected tech like phones go haywire

I no go near dis kin tech

if una no fit give me real surgeon

make I die dey go meet my ansestors biko

juniorstar:


They are better...reduced pain and quicker recovery..imagine having to divide you chest bone(sternum) just to access your heart..with this they create small holes(ports) and do a clean surgery...less pain, less blood loss, quicker recovery time, reduced hospital stay, and so on.

until it goes haywire

then you'll know that death is better than torture

especially if the shutting down system goes bad

Torture2020:
You sound very dumb Are you a comedian? You are not aware that Cameroon took nigeria to ICJ over Bakassi and won in 2002? oh dearr oh dear dumb dumb dump

ICJ ruling on the Bakassi


In 2002, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that the Bakassi, a strip of land between Cameroon and Nigeria, was properly the territory of Cameroon. On the purely physical level, to any impartial observer the Bakassi’s geography puts it squarely for Cameroon. If you draw a line down the middle of the Akwayafe River, which forms a portion of the border between Nigeria and Cameroon, the Bakassi is on the south side. Nigeria is on the north side; Cameroon is on the south side.

The countries we are discussing here did not exist prior to the invasion of the African continent by various warlike European tribes. The African continent, at the time of the invasion, was a land of many, many tribes, and many, many languages. Interesting-africa-facts.com lists over three-thousand tribes, and nationsonline.org says that 1500-2000 languages are spoken. In the African continent of the present there are only 54 countries, and the people, while they still speak tribal languages, they conduct much of their business in the languages of the European tribes.

It was difficult to get the full description of the border between Nigeria and Cameroon, but the part of concern here is this Akwayafe River. The source of the river was not readily obtained, but the physical map shows clearly where its mouth is, between Nigeria and Cameroon. It’s pretty wide there, about two miles across.

The territory, the Bakassi, lies near the mouth of the Akwayafe River. The Bakassi peninsula is described in the literature as lying between the Cross River estuary and the Rio del Ray estuary, the first named waterway being not far from the Akwayafe. The Bakassi isn’t barren. The following bit of information about it, taken from the Wikipedia, shows that this is no desert.

It consists of a number of low-lying, largely mangrove covered islands covering an area of around 665 km² (257 sq mi). The population of Bakassi is the subject of some dispute, but is generally put at between 150,000 and 300,000 people…a very fertile fishing ground, comparable only to Newfoundland in North America and Scandinavia in Western Europe. Most of the population make their living through fishing…The peninsula is commonly described as “oil-rich”, though in fact no commercially viable deposits of oil have been discovered. However, the area has aroused considerable interest from oil companies in the light of the discovery of rich reserves of high grade crude oil in Nigeria.

So, that’s the prize that Nigeria and Cameroon disputed over. Going back to the Wikipedia, we get a sense of the history here. Queen Victoria signed a Treaty of Protection with the King and Chiefs of Akwa Akpa…on 10 September 1884…This enabled the British Empire to exercise control over the entire territory around Calabar, including Bakassi. The territory subsequently became de facto part of Nigeria, although the border was never permanently delineated. However, documents released by the Cameroonians, in parity with that of the British and Germans, clearly place Bakassi under Cameroonian Territory as a consequence of colonial era Anglo-German agreements. After Southern Cameroons voted in 1961 to leave Nigeria and became a part of Cameroon, Bakassi remained under Calabar administration in Nigeria until ICJ judgement of 2002.

We can’t pass over what transpired in this region in 1961. For clarity, Nigeria became a British protectorate in 1901. From Nigeria, the British administered the Calabar territory, called the British Cameroons, the north part of which was called the Northern Cameroons, the south being called the Southern Cameroons.

We go to the Wikipedia again. A referendum was held in British Cameroons on 11 February 1961 to determine whether the territory should join neighbouring Cameroon or Nigeria…Ultimately the Muslim-majority Northern Cameroons saw a majority of 60% in favour of joining Nigeria, whilst the Christian-majority Southern Cameroons saw 70.5% in favour of integration with Cameroon. Northern Cameroon officially became part of Nigeria on 1 June, whilst Southern Cameroons became part of Cameroon on 1 October.

After the invasion of Africa, the Germans controlled the territory we know as Cameroon. This bit from the Wikipedia explains how the territory got shared out after WWI.

Following the Treaty of Versailles, (this treaty brought WW I to an end) the German territory of Kamerun was divided on June 28, 1919, between a French and a British League of Nations Mandate, the French, who had previously administered the whole occupied territory, getting the larger. The French mandate was known as Cameroun. The British mandate comprised two geographically separate territories, Northern Cameroons and Southern Cameroons. They were administered from, but not joined to, the British territory of Nigeria through the British Resident (although some incumbents had the rank of District Officer, Senior Resident or Deputy Resident) with headquarters in Buea.
Applying the principle of indirect rule, the British allowed native authorities to administer populations according to their own traditions. These also collected taxes, which were then paid over to the British. The British devoted themselves to trade, and to exploiting the economic and mining resources of the territory. South Cameroons students, including Emmanuel Mbela Lifafa Endeley, created the Cameroons Youth League (CYL) on 27 March 1940, to oppose what they saw as the exploitation of their country.

In a nutshell, the British Cameroons had a north side and a south side. After WWII, the people in the British Cameroons had the choice of independence, or joining Nigeria or Cameroon. The Southern Cameroons, which physically included the Bakassi, chose to join Cameroon. For the record, just as you might expect, there were those in the British Cameroons who preferred independence, and they are still agitating.

So, the Southern Cameroons takes the prized Bakassi with them, over to Cameroon, and a dispute develops. Well, not exactly. If we go back a few paragraphs we see that the Bakassi remained under Calabar administration in Nigeria.

The Wikipedia says that in 1981 the two countries went to the brink of war over Bakassi and another area around Lake Chad, at the other end of the two countries’ common border. More armed clashes broke out in the early 1990s. In response, Cameroon took the matter to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on 29 March 1994.

In the case at the ICJ, Nigeria relied largely on Anglo-German correspondence dating from 1885 as well as treaties between the colonial powers and the indigenous rulers in the area, particularly the 1884 Treaty of Protection. Cameroon pointed to the Anglo-German treaty of 1913, which defined sphere of control in the region, as well as two agreements signed in the 1970s between Cameroon and Nigeria. These were the Yaoundé II Declaration of 4 April 1971 and the Maroua Declaration of 1 June 1975, which were devised to outline maritime boundaries between the two countries following their independence. The line was drawn through the Cross River estuary to the west of the peninsula, thereby implying Cameroonian ownership over Bakassi. However, Nigeria never ratified the agreement, while Cameroon regarded it as being in force.

The ICJ delivered its judgment on 10 October 2002, finding (based principally on the Anglo-German agreements) that sovereignty over Bakassi did indeed rest with Cameroon. It instructed Nigeria to transfer possession of the peninsula, but did not require the inhabitants to move or to change their nationality. Cameroon was thus given a substantial Nigerian population and was required to protect their rights, infrastructure and welfare.

The Hague Justice Portal says that the Court decided that sovereignty over the Bakassi Peninsula lies with Cameroon and that the boundary is delimited by the Anglo-German agreement of 11 March 1913. The Court noted that the land boundary dispute ‘falls within an historical framework’ including partition by European powers in the 19th and early 20th centuries, League of Nations mandates, UN Trusteeships and the independence of the two states.

Looking at the Anglo-German agreement of March 11, 1913, there is this bit from the pen of Dr. J.R. Bassey, taken from the introduction to his paper, Anglo-German treaty of 1913 and its influence on world court decision in the Nigeria v. Cameroon case concerning Bakassi, which appeared on journalcro.com.

The article analyses the legal impact of colonial treaties on Africa with particular reference to the Anglo-German Treaty of 1913 by which the British ceded Bakassi to Germany…The article reveals that the Court relied on the Agreement based on a number of reasons. These included Britain’s right to cede Bakassi to Germany in 1913; lack of protest by Nigeria against the Anglo-German treaty during or after colonial rule; Nigeria’s acquiescence in the Agreement. The Nigerian legal team over- relied on effectivities or historical consolidation, but the Court held that Cameroon had a valid conventional title, which prevails over any effectivities or historical consolidation.

Re this judgment, allafrica.com had this comment – As to be expected, Bola Ajbola, a Nigerian at the ICJ gave a dissenting judgment. In his dissenting opinion, he reminded the ICJ of its paramount obligation of ensuring that it gives a decision that will do justice in accordance with the maintenance of international peace and security in any region of the world.

From the outside looking in, I have supported this ICJ decision because (1), the Bakassi is physically a part of present day Cameroon, and (2), the Bakassi was functionally a part of South Cameroon. When the people of South Cameroon decided on Cameroon over Nigeria, the Bakassi should not have remained under the administration of Nigeria. That these people of South Cameroon (include Bakassi) were called Nigerians, because the British administered their territory from Nigeria, is not a very strong argument. Thus, “historical consolidation” in this case is a reach.

The ICJ ruling was based on a British treaty that accepted the Bakassi as German territory in 1913. This is in accordance with the maintenance of international peace and security in any region of the world. Thus, the people of “South Cameroon” cannot be blamed for taking the Bakassi out of Nigeria’s control.


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you expect me to read this epistle?
you're really dumb
re read this
www.nairaland.com/attachments/14378121_screenshot20211013143715_jpeg281b4fca7150c233910a28adb5685508
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I wonder when inhabited land became equal to sea
maybe the whales,turtles vote and fight for seccesion

chale just go sleep
you're too dumb for me to debate

obaaderemi:
If you believe that you will believe anything.

Although his arguments are usually weak, all the same he is lying.

I'm ten years old

jl115:
no flatty, I couldn't be further from a feminist.... What I'm doing is just qouting the bible and destroying the argument that the bible is misogynistic.

the Bible is very very misogynist
especially the old testament

don't try to twist stuff

vankelvin:
Cote DIvoire took Ghana to ICC over Sea boundary issues (oil dispute).
They hired White Lawyers and black Ivorian men to lead them in Court..

Ghana went with female Lawyers.. We showed them levels... We had a unanimous win/victory over them.... Togo saw the ruling and back down on their planned ICC court case with Ghana over Sea boundary that has to do with Oil..... (France can't escape blame in this, they are behind it)

These half baked graduate lawyers from Kenya went to court to face Somalia and they lose mercilessly...

The difference is clear.

nobody can try that nonsense with Nigeria
even though our coast isn't straight

we don't need no lawyer

just saying

WriterNig:

Rate my kill and rifle from 1- 10?

jl115 check this out

Ojukwubucket:

See this non traveler...u sit in ur "world" and chew on garbages ur non traveling ancestors passed on to u...
By the way it's Igbo that is spoken in Anambra...iti

what are you saying?

who doesn't know that it's Igbo that is spoken in yeeboland?

and my ansestors are the biggest travelers,they came to this land all the way from the nile valley thousands of years ago


all this Igbo sef

obynzo:


Oga don't be stupid. Give me cases where the word is used without any insults on it.

Ọmọ Ibo lọmọ yen

mo fe lo rankan lọdọ ọmọ Ibo

Ojukwubucket:

No be lie o.....
I know how many yoruba I have warned for complaining when I speak Igbo ...no be lie

go and speak eboe in yeeboland

will you lots be happy when I speak Yoruba with my buddies in Anambra?