Maximus69:


Shamelessness is hiding your own cake behind demanding your fellowman must present his own cake for the both of you to share!

Haba, present your own too so we can both share the two equally nah!

If you want to keep yours then how come you want me to feel ashamed for keeping mine as well?

Please Sir, i believe you don't want to mention the name of any Church so that we won't start scrutinizing both mine and yours, that being the case, you need to answer why you singled out just one religious group for questioning when the world knows over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings?

God bless you Sir!

You keep jumping from thread to thread shouting that you have the truth.

Now all we are asking that you give us evidence that you were chosen in 1919 like you claimed. Give us biblical and emperical evidence.

You have been shouting how only your organization are the narrow door, and how only you will survive your armageddon. Now we say we need evidence to prove that you were chosen in 1919 just as you have claimed.

If you provide biblical and emperical evidence that you were chosen in 1919, then everyone of all religions has no choice but to follow your religion. Since like you have said if we don't follow it, we'll be smitten at Armageddon.

But if you don't provide evidence, then you have no right to tell us that we would all be destroyed because we did not follow your group for a lack of evidence.

Of course you can believe whatever you want. Just like I am happy to see Muslims believe what they believe. I am happy to see Buddhist and Hindus believe what they believe. I don't go around telling them that they will die at Armageddon if they don't believe what I believe.
Who am I to judge?

Provide evidence or come down from your high horse. You go to people's homes and online here telling them to re-examine their religious beliefs, and then you direct them to your website. When we do the same thing you do to others, you cry. We tell you too to re-examine your beliefs and scrutinize it and we direct you to websites like www.jwfacts.com that facts check your doctrines and policies. But you wouldn't go to websites that fact checks your organization because your governing body has told you that it is apostate literature.
But you want people to visit your own website.

All we are saying is give us biblical and emperical evidence o that you were chosen in 1919 as your organization has claimed they have been chosen.

achorladey:
When the master himself said concerning the DAY, the HOUR and the TIME nobody knows

and yet we are in the LAST DAY of the LAST DAYS

Don't worry, we'll still be here in 10 years, and some of the governing body members would be long gone by then and them go still de shout last day of the last days of the last days of the last days

They are doing they exact thing Jesus warned against in (Luke 21:
He said we should watch out for those who are shouting the due date is near.

Maximus69:


Good morning Sir, hope i didn't get you upset with my slumbering yesterday?

Please forgive me, i slept off!

So back to our friendly discussion.
You and i wanted to discuss as neighbours regarding the differences in our religious beliefs, so i think we both need to be open as in liberal in our friendly discussion!

You are an adult and you've chosen a group out of over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians globally just as i do, you feel you're OK with your religion just as i also feel, you believe you're connected to your God just as i also feel. Therefore if we want to discuss on our beliefs i think both of us need to be open and not hide anything behind, remember our salvation solely depends on what we believe! John 3:16

After the death of the Apostles, a religious group emerged called the Roman Catholic Church and lasted for centuries before many of her members began protesting against this Church, it has continued down to our day.
That's why there are over 41,000 different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming Christians today.
Surely the group in your house have no grudge whatsoever against the Catholic Church, so why do you choose to divide the body of Christ if there is nothing hidden?
Why not just continue as one big happy family of worshipers with the Catholic Church, if the standard is OK?

That's where we supposed to start from Sir if truthfully we want to be liberal on this matter, NOT when you just pick one group out of over 41,000 groups PROTESTING against the Catholic Church whereas you too belongs to one of the PROTESTANTS!

Once again good morning Sir, may God bless you!

You were shouting that we should discuss like adults.

Just take a look at yourself. Lol
Behaving like a juvenile, looking for opportunities to trap me to a specific religious group.

I answered your last question and then I re-asked the same question I have been asking for the past 6 days now and you ignored it again for the umpteenth time. Yet, you still have the face to continue discussing with me. How do you guys do it? How can one be so shameless? Hope you know being shameless is not an insult, it is just stating the fact.

You and your fellow jehovah's witnesses are the first to blow your trumpets about how your religion is the only truth, you jump at the opportunity to insult and denigrate other Christian groups.

Now, the onus is on you. Since you claim you are the only true religion, it is your burden of proof to give. Proof to us by giving biblical and emperical evidence that God and christ did indeed choose you in 1919 as you have claimed.

Am I speaking Chinese for goodness sake.

For some 6 days now. You still have not answered this question. Infact you have repeatedly and sarcastically told me to keep waiting.
Infact you went as far as quoting Matthew 7:6 for me. That you don't give what is holy to dogs.

To prove you have the truth, provide evidence that you were chosen in 1919. This conversation is not about me. I have not stated that whatever group I associate with has absolute truth. You have repeatedly taken that arrogant stand.

Match your words with evidence. As I have said, engaging in a box ticking exercise does not prove you have the truth because every religion especially some of those I mentioned in my last post to you; anabaptist (mennonites), Mormons and seven days adventist have their own boxes too that makes them feel they have the truth.

If they are here too, I would ask them to do thesame thing I have asked of you, which is to provide evidence.

Provide evidence sir and stop this childish show of shame. This is your opportunity to show your evidence to the world

Thank you

Janosky:


LYING Timalt, WHY did You MISLEAD gullible people on this forum that JWs paid $35m dollars to a plaintiff?


Why did you MISLEAD gullible people on this forum that about organ transplant when the Evidences show that even medical professionals HAVE MISGIVINGS about that practice?


You no SEE am for your Bible where Jesus Christ says he came to cause divisions in homes and families?
Did Jesus Christ and other servants of Jehovah not lose their lives in faithful service to Jehovah?


Where The "wrong expectations and false predictions of Jesus disciples not widely proclaimed" Na E dey your Bible?


Why did You FALSELY accused JWs and told everyone here to shun them?
So much LIES from a "Christian who DON'T discriminate against my fellow Christians..."

Timalt WAYO HYPOCRITE

As usual all Bark and no Bite.

Shamelessly, you have resorted to lying, distortion of facts and even gaslighting. Anyway, it's not surprising because that is exactly what your organization does with its past and history.

First, you ran from the other thread were you claimed that there are no child sex abusers in your congregation and you even lied that the court calls the cases alleged. I provided rolls and rolls of evidence to show that, that is a wicked lie. I even shared your May 2019 watchtower that admitted that child sex abuse is a problem among your ranks.
I then provided evidence that the Watchtower corporation lost a lawsuit and was asked to pay $28 million dollars and not $35 million dollars like you have just lied. The way you lie shocks me. Please show all of us where I wrote $35 million dollars. Your lie is disgusting.

So yes. The court ordered you pay 28 million dollars to the abused victim. But then in 3 years your organization appealed the case on the grounds that it was not its duty to warn congregation members of the presence of a child molester in its midst. It was on this ground that it won the appeal. Not on the ground that the accused abuser was innocent. No! The abuser who's name is Kendrick has already confessed and admitted guilt. So he is guilty and is paying for the crime

The evidence still shows that the abuse is still to be paid 2.8 million dollars.

Here is a link to the thread guys:
https://www.nairaland.com/5885909/im-beginning-reason-jehovah-witness/9#90200935

The funny thing is that after I exposed Janosky there, he ran away.

I fear who no fear you.

All he does is insult people and call them names. Lol.

Secondly about organ transplant, he's trying to change what I said ooo
What I said was that his organization taught for some years that organ transplant was cannibalism and they twisted the Bible to support their false doctrine. Now Janosky is trying to make it seem like it was the medical practionals that called it cannibalism. Haha
The first organ transplant was done in 1954. Of course as with every new medical procedure, there were concerns about the safety and the ethics behind it. But as we see now, the medical community continued on the path and that is why we have such advancement in that field today.

But the point Janosky is trying to deny is that the Watchtower Society taught in 1967 that organ transplant was cannibalism. This is how controlling they are. Instead of allowing individual Jehovah witnesses to make their own decisions. They made decisions of life and death for them and twisted the Bible to support their false doctrine

Where in the Bible did Jesus disciples teach with evil mathematics that the end will come in 1887,1914, 1920, 1925, 1975?
Show me one verse that showed Jesus disciples predicting a SPECIFIC date.

Just like all Christians today who keep on the watch, Jesus disciples had expectations, but they never formulated mathematical acrobatics and prophesy a particular date. Show me one place they predicted a specific date

You keep trying to use emotions to buy sympathy. Now you have started crying as if you are persecuted because we have engaged you.
I have said my goal on this forum is to arm people with enough information about your organization, the information they will never get from your website. So that whatever decision they make, they will make with two eyes open.

See I have not even started discussing what is in your bethel service desk and circuit overseer policy books. Books you will never read till you die except you wake up.

Thank you

Janosky:


You scrutinize JWs and label them with derogatory names but you hide behind body of Christ wey no agree with you intoto.... Can you imagine Paul , Peter and John teaching diverse CONTRARY spirit filled doctrines ?

Where the early Christians not Lead by a Governing Body?

By the way, is it unscriptural to assemble together in "large kingdom Halls"?

What is the name of your "small group of fellow believers at homes"?


Come clean,Bro

It seems strange to you that I don't associate with any denomination but with Christians. It also pains you that I did not fall into the trap of calling any denomination name so that you can begin your dick measuring contest.

The pharasaical attitude displayed by you and your kinds in your organization is just funny. You are looking for an opportunity to insult and denigrate other Christians. Because in your judgmental small mind, you think that you are better than them.

Now, here again you go making statements before you think. Show me the Governing body in the first century. Haha. Your ignorance is nauseating.
It is only in your own Bible prefix that you find the word governing body. The idea or the very word can never be found in the Bible.

What happened in the first century was One Single incidence of The elders and the Apostles meeting in Jerusalem to settle a problem that was caused by their fellow believing jews who wanted to put a yoke of circumcision on the gentile Christians.
That was the only council ever held and recorded in the Bible and recorded historically.

I ask you show us where the word governing body was used?
I challenge you to show us where it is shown that they had more than one meeting together.
I challenge you to show us evidence that the Congregations received instructiona from this council of brothers in Jerusalem like your congregations receive instruction from America.

The strongest jw Apologist known is Dr Rolf Furuli (PhD) he defends jw like his life depends on it. He was a district overseer. He's still a jw. But even he has written a book to talk about the many false doctrines and evil policies in your midst. Of course he may be disfellowshiped for that. In fact he says he expects to be disfellowshiped.
See what he says about the governing body arrangement in totalitarian high control organization.

I have plenty other sources to show you from, but I said I should share one by your strongest apologist.

BTW I can send you the book If you want

Please everyone should look at the pictures below.

Thank you

Janosky:


Today, JWs ACCEPT organ transplants. It's a personal decision

At that time in the 1960's JW misgivings about organ transplants were justified.

Timalt did medical professionals HAVE GENUINE MISGIVINGS about organ transplants in the 1960's?
Timalt's claims lacks Objectivity.
Timalt KNOWS AND SAW the PROOF:


"'Even from a medical standpoint there is some question as to the wisdom and ethicalness of some transplants. One physician discussed this publicly in the Annals of Internal Medicine, citing the results of 244 kidney-transplant operations. In the majority of cases the recipient did not live more than a year after the operation. Then, commenting on the dangers for the volunteer who donates one of his kidneys, the doctor asked: “Is it right to subject a healthy person . . . to the possibility . . . of shortening his life by 25 or 30 years in order to extend another’s life by 25 or 30 months or less?” Reporting on this, Newsweek, of March 2, 1964, page 74, added that the doctor “offers no conclusive answer, but he suggests that the question needs to be asked more often.”"

Timalt NEVER told anyone that in the 1960's medical professionals had misgivings about organ transplants,but the BIGOTED and HYPOCRITICAL CLOWN singled out JWs for malicious attack.

Timalt WAYO HYPOCRITE.

First you denied that they said it, and you
Were shouting that I was lying that, that was what your organization taught.

Now you shamelessly switch lanes, only to say now you have changed your position on the matter, so the past do not matter. How can someone be this shameless?

The problem with you is that, you speak before thinking, and when you have been exposed, instead of humbly apologizing for your show of shame, you employ ad hominem. You start to call me names.

Lol. I think you are just overwhelmed to see someone who knows more about your organization than you will ever know.

The anger resulting from the humiliating defeat is making you talk wildly without courtesy

By the way, before you lie again and put a different spin on the whole thing, the question is whether the medical community had misgivings about Transplant at the time, the medical community is a scientific community and they have continue to have misgivings about many approved and practiced procedures till this day,and that is why they become better. The point is that organization called it cannibalism and twisted the Bible to support that position not because it was influenced by medical advice.
I have at least one story to share that shows that a devoted Jehovah witness man died from this false doctrine.

I said your organization taught that organ transplant was cannibalism and you came at me like a rabid dog, then I produced more evidence and instead of you to humbly apologize for your ignorance you are still trying to give it a different spin.

Lol. You really don't know anything about your organization. You know what they say about an empty vessel

Thank you

Maximus69:


You are highly welcome Sir!

Please note that i have not mentioned any name in the post you quoted, i only listed the qualities i found through my diligent study and thorough meditation of God's word. But you've concluded that since my religion have all these qualities which you yourself confirmed is "noble and nice".

Can you please mention the name of your own religion (Church) just as you've mentioned about three religious groups having similar characteristics like mine?

So i can know the qualities that draw you into the group you're worshiping with now?

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, please let me know the name of your own Church before we start asking each other questions so it won't be one sided Sir.

God bless you Sir!

This is the problem I have had with you for about 5 days now. When I ask you the important question, you deflected to ask me what church I am attending.

What you want to do is so petty, it's clear you want to drag me down into a dick measuring contest of which church is better.

The first century Christians did not attend church services in large Kingdom halls, assembly halls or large church auditoriums. They met in small homes. These homes were called ecclesias. Which meant a church or congregation. Many of the gatherings at home were characterized by sharing of meals together and worshiping together.

Again the first century Christians did not have an autocratic totalitarian structure that you have today in your organization. They enjoyed what the apostles called Christian Freedom. That is why the jews celebrated festivals, performed circumcisions, and observed the sabbath. Buy the gentile Christians were under no obligation to do these even though it was one body and one faith.

In a nutshell, I worship with a small group of fellow believers at homes. Christians worldwide make up the Body of christ, I don't discriminate against my fellow Christians because I know that according to the Bible, my salvation does not depend on an association to an organization.

Now, would you please answer my question?

Also The fact that said that some things about your organization is noble does not change the fact that it has evil policies and doctrines that divides homes, that break families, that ostracizes people, that leads to people's deaths, that has prophesied falsely on many occasions. Not just internalized wrong expectations, but widely proclaimed and published false predictions.
Evil flip flop of doctrines and so on.

Enough of this juvenile trap setting already answer my question o

Thank you

Maximus69:


Well i have found the group of Jesus' true followers!

They will be preaching and teaching throughout the earth! Matthew 24:14

He promised that LOVE will be the mark to recognize their group! John 13:34-35

He prayed for a uniting bond in their midst! John 17:20-23

They will be objects of hatred everywhere they are! Matthew 10:22

They will be separated from all other religious groups! John 17:14-16

All eyes will be on their group! Matthew 5:13-16

There will be PEACE amongst them even though they come from different races! Micah 4:1-3

All these composite signs i have found in a group claiming followers of Christ, so i concluded that they're the group Jesus was talking about!

Nice one.

While all these are noble and nice, it is to be stated that some of the characteristics are displayed by a number of other churches, like the mennonites (Anabaptists), the seven day Adventists, and the church of jesus christ of latter day saints (Mormons) amongst others.

You definitely do not want to head down this rabbit hole of box ticking why your religion must be the truth because you do this, this and that.

For example the Seven days Adventist share quite a number of practices and doctrines with Jehovah's witnesses because of their history.

The Mormons on the other hand, have 12 pillars that they believe make them the true church.

The anabaptists (mennonites) do not partake in wars and politics and a host of other things.

What I am saying is if people did not believe they have the true church, they would not remain in them.

These churches I have mentioned are churches that has some strong "controversial" (controversial to mainstream Christians) doctrines just like the Jehovah witness organization.

The big question that removes all these box ticking exercise as to whose church is true or not is simply evidence.

Your religion for example claims it was chosen by God and Christ in 1919. If that is true then we have an authority base from which we can then beat our chest and say, because we were chosen, we have the truth.

Now my question is what is the evidence that you were chosen in 1919 like you claimed? Where is the emperical and Biblical evidence?

And please when you answer, go straight to the point, and don't drown me in a long body of text without answering the question.

Also, I hope you would be open minded to consider my own counter arguments should I have one to submit?

Thank you

Janosky:


Jesus Christ and Abraham NEVER gave excuses that there Life was more precious than Faith and OBEDIENCE to Jehovah's righteous Laws.
Matthew10:37-39.


Jwfacts is DANGEROUS, INSIDIOUS POISON
no goldmine there.

Show me the man/woman who was dismissed for breaking the rules ( wherever he used to be) who doesn't have an axe to grind or play up the victim card?

Lol @Rozz is not even a member of the Jehovah's witness organization yet and you are trying to control what information she consumes and what she doesn't.

Imagine if her church pastor told her the same thing about your jw official website. Isn't it hypocritical to accuse in others what you excuse in yourself?

Imagine a religion that tells you what to read and what not to read.

I hope everyone is reading o.

Maximus69:


A discussion between two professed scholars on what they discovered after their diligent study and thorough meditation on the same book, and how they're enjoying the benefits thereof!

First of all, I am no scholar. But I get what you mean. So hit me with the results of your study and thorough meditation

freshboi88:


It's there nah, we all read it...

Don't mind him. Na laugh I de laugh am

I don give am additional proof

Maximus69:
Unti Timalt is ready to discuss!

Oh you are finally ready to answer my questions.

Please ride on am listening.

Janosky:



".... They Look to God for direction........",
Is Timalt blind?
Quote the full text of pages 702-704, DUBIOUS Timalt.

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the said Watchtower of 1967 to draw up your DUBIOUS conclusions.

For someone who has been proven wrong so many times, you seem not to have learnt to be discreet in how you talk. I provided clear evidence, and then you went and picked an expression out of context and tried to give it a different spin.

Here's further receipt :

"When there is a diseased or defective organ, the usual way health is restored is by taking in nutrients. The body uses the food eaten to repair or heal the organ, gradually replacing the cells. When men of science conclude that this normal process will no longer work and they suggest removing the organ and replacing it directly with an organ from another human, this is simply a shortcut. Those who submit to such operations are thus living off the flesh of another human. That is cannibalistic. However, in allowing man to eat animal flesh Jehovah God did not grant permission for humans to try to perpetuate their lives by cannibalistically taking into their bodies human flesh, whether chewed or in the form of whole organs or body parts taken from others."- Watchtower 1967 November 15 page 702

Here's the link : https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1967845

Here's s the screenshot below to prove to all that your organization taught that organ transplant was cannibalism

achorladey:


Perhaps no be im area of specialization. If you talk about TRINITY, IMMORTALITY of soul Hell fire, festivities or why Christians should not go to war. His ENGAGED INDICATOR go give full light. That's the major CRITERIA for judging false and true religion.

But 1919, even those wey e sey go meet u for house will not show again when they get stuck explaining how they arrive at that year.

Exactly. Maximus69 na small boy for the organization na.

When I see the way e dey bark I know say na pikin for their doctrines.

You know that ignorance makes noise.

I am sure in his life he doesn't even know how they arrive at the nonsense.

I never even enter the Explanation of the Locust wey dey the book of Revelation and Joel wey them go get "new light" next week for watchtower.

I never even enter Their Isaiah's prophecy and Daniels prophecy.

If I enter their revelation climax book wey dem don revise 4 times and now under the shelf, him head go burst.

The thing wey they funny me with the guy na him childish arrogance and the condescending way he talks to people.

Don't mind the deluded old white men in America. Their sheeple keep following them without question that is why they can say nonsense like this and get away with it.

Here's what the deluded people said in 1967
When the many factors are put together, we find that our generation, our day is the one that is identified in the Bible as the “last days.” In fact, in this year 1967 we are actually living in the final part of that time! This can be compared to, not just the last day of a week, but, rather, the last part of that last day.
- Watchtower 1967 April 1 pp19

rottennaija:


Oya Maximus69, answer this question

E no gree answer am for like 4 or 5 days now. E tell me say "Happy waiting" E say make I continue to wait for answers to my questions. E run
E say make I ask their people when them come my house.

Rozz:
hmm,only if any of these hold waters about them,i really can't say.Truth is deep

I agree o. Truth is deep. Here we are discussing just the Christian faith, we have not even started discussing Islam or Judaism.
Those religions too believe they have the truth.

Just a side note for any Jehovahs witness who thinks they didn't teach organ transplant was cannibalism or thinks I'm lying.
See am here
"Sustaining one's life by means of the body or part of the body of another human ... would be cannibalism, a practice abhorrent to all civilized people. ... It is not our place to decide whether such operations are advisable from a scientific or medical standpoint... Christians who have been enlightened by God's Word do not need to make these decisions based simply on the basis of personal whim or emotion. They can consider the divine principles and use these in making personal decisions as they look to God for direction, trusting him and putting their confidence in the future that he has in store for those who love him." Watchtower 1967 Nov 15 pp.702-704 I have more receipts if una want.

Keep it up with your independent research Rozz.

Maximus69:


The road to Paradise is not that far!

But

THERE ARE MANY RIVERS TO CROSS

I believe you can no more be distracted by RIVERS like rottennaija and co.

But you need to be fully focused!

I was born, bread and brought up a Muslim but i saw the light of TRUTH from far away that's what attracted me to Jehovah's Witnesses Organization! Matthew 5:14-16

Pray heartily my brother and JEHOVAH will give you the power to concentrate on the real life {1Timothy 6:19} soon all these people you're seeing today will be no more! Psalms 37:9-11

What they failed woefully to know is that Jehovah cherish obedience more than sacrifice, that's what is making PEACE reign globally amongst Jehovah's Witnesses {Isaiah 2:2-4} of course it's can't be a coincidence, surely they are the followers of the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6

Sentiments and emotions prove nothing.

You have refused to answer my three questions on the other thread. Yet here you are.

Because you were a Muslim and converted to Jehovahs witnesses does not prove they have the truth. People change religious beliefs everyday.

Infact here's a video of a female priest who converted to Islam because as she says, "It was Jesus himself that directed me to Islam"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83c535Rpdhk



So as you can see, it will be your word against hers. You don't prove anything by jumping from thread to thread like a tout picking fights

This is the question that needs answer.

provide biblical and emperical evidence for us all to see your religion was chosen in 1919

mitchyy:


A whole 4 new mentions from you alone. Its obvious you are so obsessed with us. It's touching. Very touching

We are still waiting for your answers to my questions o.

I asked you three questions for a start. Please research carefully and answer me.

Rozz:
Jewish principles of Pikuash Nefesh, thanks to all the arguments here, never heard about that.Knowledge is indeed power.

Aha!!! you are indeed a very studious person. Rozz I would please want you to read this if you can :
https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/blood-transfusions.php#L1

BTW, do you know that there was a time when they considered organ transfer cannibalism? That led to the death of some jehovah's witnesses who couldn't receive full organs or body tissues. The funny thing is that many present Jehovahs witnesses do not know this.

That www.jwfacts.com is a gold mine for any Jehovahs witness that is really interested in knowing the truth about their organization.

Isn't it funny how before you utter a word, the jehovah's witnesses are already directing you to their website, but when we direct them to www.jwfacts.com they refuse to go and call it apostate material. When for the most part what was referenced on the site are jehovah's witnesses publications.

What they tell others to do, they refuse to do themselves.

How can someone call what he believes "the truth" if he is afraid of scrutinizing it?

This again is my follow up to Janosky's lies about how he tries to present the Jehovah witness organization as a Saint.

Cc: Rozz please I beg that you keep following one last time

Janosky alleged this and I quote.

8 Days of edited YouTube video PROVES NOTHING!

He says the video of the Australian Royal commission is edited. As I said in my last comment, the Australian royal commission is the highest form of Enquiry in Australia.

Since he alleges that the video is edited, I urge everyone reading this to please download the official report of the proceeding from the official website of the Australian royal commission.

Here's the link to the website :

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses

Here's the link to the direct PDF Report for download :

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.royalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-07/case_study_29_-_findings_report_-_jehovahs_witnesses.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjVg6Wu3-DpAhUJXRoKHagIDtMQFjACegQIAhAC&usg=AOvVaw1ndWHt90E6t_-bkE_IpdbR


You can as well navigate the first link and download the pdf yourself.

Below is a screenshot of one page capturing the summary of the proceeding.

Janosky also alleged that I know nothing about the two witness rule. I laugh because I know more than he will ever know about it except he is an elder which would not surprise me. Like I said everyone should go online and download their secret elders book and read for themselves.

Here's a quote from the book about Two Witness

"There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just people repeating hearsay; no action can be taken if there is only one witness. (Deut. 19:15-17; John 8:17; 1 Tim. 5:19, 24, 25) If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident, the elders can consider their testimony"

As you can all see it clearly says no action can be taken if there is only one witness.

Ladies and gentlemen I want you to draw your own conclusions. With the tap on a screen you can confirm if all I have presented is mine or if it is factual verifiable public information.

Like I have said before, Jehovah's witnesses just like many other religions have nice people among them and some doctrines I agree with just like I agree with that of other Christians. But they also have doctrines that are false, a plethora of failed prophecies and some very evil policies and practices.

But I love them just like Jesus said we should.

Thank you

This is a follow up of my response to the half truths, and logical fallacies presented by Janosky and his cohorts.

Cc Rozz I hope you are still reading, as I continue to present more readily accessible facts.

Again, Let us not forget the reason why I have to invoke a small part of my arsenal of evidence against Janosky. Here is what he said

The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine

He clearly claims there is no child sex abuse among the Jehovah's witnesses ranks, that it's all alleged by enemies of the Watchtower.

Now let us here from the horses mouth. And who better than the Watchtower itself. See what the Watchtower May 2019 study article of Jehovah's witnesses has to say

"Sadly, child sexual abuse is a worldwide plague, and true Christians have been affected by this plague. Why? “Wicked men and impostors” abound, and some may try to enter the congregation. (2 Tim. 3:13) In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children. Let us discuss why child abuse is such a grave sin. Then we will consider how elders handle instances of serious wrongdoing, including child abuse, and how parents can protect their children" - May Watchtower 2019, par 3.

Below is the direct link to the direct watchtower that I just quoted. See for yourself.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/love-justice-face-of-wickedness/

Also I attached the screenshot below.

There you have it, my people. A clear, open, admission that Child Sex abuse is within their ranks. Infact that watchtower for May 2020 was primarily for child sex abuse problem within their organization and how it is handled.

Infact according to their secret elders book that is available for download online, they now ask people if they had committed child sex abuse before they are appointed to different offices in their ranks.

Also take your time to go through the following links to cases where their elders and ministerial servants (their clergy) have been convicted and sent to prison. It is public knowledge. A simple Google search will lead you BBC website and other top media agencies coverage of this badness among their ranks.

1) https://www.hughjames.com/blog/jehovah%E2%80%99s-witness-elder-sentenced-to-nine-years-in-prison-for-sexual-abuse

2) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-wales-46131196

3) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/%3foutputType=amp

Now watch the screenshot below

In my next post, I would expose the lie by Janosky that the Australian Royal Commission 8 day proceedings videos were edited. That's a pretty funny and naive thing to say sha. But I don't blame him. He's battling with cognitive dissonance.

I will be providing links to The official website of the Australian royal commission - which is the Highest form of Enquiry on matters of public importance in Australia.

Thank you

Janosky:



CONTI V. WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC. ET AL.
UNITED STATES
Title:
Conti v. Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, Inc. et al

Court:
California Court of Appeal, First District, Division 3

Citation:
235 Cal.App.4th 1214 (2015)

Date:
13 April 2015

Case Summary:
Background:
The defendants, Watchtower and the North Fremont Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, appealed a finding of liability for damages relating to the sexual abuse of Candace Conti by a fellow member of the Congregation, Jonathan Kendrick, during church-sponsored door-to-door “field service”. Both the Congregation and Watchtower had been aware of a previous incident of abuse involving Kendrick and another child but, in keeping with the church’s policy of confidentiality, did not notify the authorities or the Congregation members. Conti sued Watchtower and the Congregation for failing to warn members of the Congregation or Conti’s parents that Kendrick was a child molester and for failing to limit and supervise his participation in church activities.

Issue and resolution:
Sexual abuse. Whether the organisation had a duty to warn Congregation members and parents about prior molestations, and a duty to supervise the church activities of the molester. The Court held that the defendants had no duty to warn the Congregation members or Conti’s parents that Kendrick had molested a child, but that the defendants had breached their duty to limit and supervise Kendrick’s church-sponsored activities.

Court reasoning:
The Court based its analysis on the concept that there is no general duty to control or warn others of the conduct of a third party unless a special relationship exists with either the person whose conduct needs to be controlled or the victim of the conduct in question. No such relationship was found here, and the church was not required to take affirmative steps to safeguard members against harm from other church members. The Court added that as a matter of public policy even if such a special relationship was found to exist, the detrimental consequences and imprecise scope of a duty to warn outweighed any counterbalancing concerns.

The Court ruled, however, that a special relationship did exist with respect to church-sponsored activities and found that, to the extent that control was exercised over Kendrick’s field service, the defendants had a duty to limit and supervise his participation. Watchtower determined who was eligible for field service, while the Congregation controlled when, where and with whom field service was conducted. Nothing was done to implement the church’s policy prohibiting child molesters from conducting service alone or with children. Because Conti was harmed during a church-sponsored activity over which the defendants had control, the defendants had a duty to take steps to supervise and limit Kendrick’s participation in such activity and the failure to do so constituted a breach of this duty.

Impact:
The decision led to widespread public outcry, as Watchtower and the Congregation apparently continue to have no duty to warn members of another member’s prior molestations. Conti withdrew her appeal to the California Supreme Court after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the defendants.

Link to Full Judgment:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=17673252836970576866&q=Conti+v.+Watchtower+Bible+%26+Tract+Society+of+New+York&hl=en&as_sdt=6,33.

This case summary is provided by the Child Rights International Network for educational and informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice.


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Timalt the LYING HYPOCRITE
Una done see how Timalt is MISLEADING the general public with FALSE INFORMATION that JWs paid $28m US Dollars to child abuse victim? Na Timalt receive the $28m USD check for the plaintiff



The Clown dey call Catholic Pope.....
Wetin concern you with those you label as "idol worshippers"?
Since when your Church become Catholic?

Timalt , i STILL challenge you to bring Evidence here that your own Church or even yourself,have reported a child abuse case to the Police and saw to it that justice was served.
No dey DECEIVE yourself with speculations

Timalt KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the two witnesses rule, he is just making EMPTY NOISE to MISLEAD gullible people on this forum.
You have NEVER been to any JW Judicial hearing, your comments are baseless speculations copied from attention seeking individuals expelled from JW fold.
Anybody with a perceived axe to grind will post anything to play the classic victim card.

8 Days of edited YouTube video PROVES NOTHING!
The person with an axe to grind will show you what he wants you to see, NOT EVERYTHING THAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRES..

That someone takes you to Court on any matter is NO PROOF you are guilty of wrongdoing, even if the ruling is not in your favor.
ONLY Jehovah God is the true righteous Judge.

Shalom.

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All Bark and no Bite. Name calling and more name calling.

Please I want everyone to read these carefully as we would be seeing who the liar is. He sees the pieces of evidence, yet he tries to employ ad hominem; a system commonly used by the jw's to discredit the person instead of the argument.

For the sake of clarity and easy comprehension, I would develop and organize my thoughts in the the comments to follow, one at a time.

First for the case of Conti (the victim) which was evidence No. 2 in my last post. Please let us all remember why I invoked that evidence. See what Janosky said

The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine

As you can all see, he said there was Zero proof and the courts called it alleged.

Here again is the link to evidence Number 2 https://www.revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/

The link clearly shows that the crime happened, and even the Accused Jehovah witness admitted his guilt from that article.

Also like I said, Conti was awarded $28 Million dollars at the time of the hearing.

But 3 years later, an appeal was made by the Watchtower organization. And the appeal was on the grounds that the Watchtower had no duty to warn the congregants that a confessed child molester was one of their own. This is what Janosky just posted above. Still even with this change by the appeal court, the evidence number 2 link shows that Conti Still stands to receive $2.8 Million.

As you can all see, Janosky has misrepresented the facts. First he says that there is no child abuse among the Jehovah's witnesses by calling it alleged. Next he says the Watchtower won the case as if to say it was on the grounds of innocence by the Accused.

He fails to mention that Conti won the case and was awarded $28 Million dollars like I had truly and accurately stated as shown in evidence Number 2. But that in 3 years, the Watchtower corporation appealed on the grounds that, please pay careful attention, on the grounds that it did not have the duty to warn congregation members of a child sex abuse among them. Not that the accused was innocent, no. Guilt had already been established because he admitted and confessed.

But that as a corporation it could not be punished for negligence. It was on this ground that it won the appeal. Yet Conti (the victim) still stands to receive $2.8 Million dollars.

Cc Rozz please ị hope you are still following. Like I said I will make sure I arm you with the other side so that you can make your decision.

Now below are screenshots of the above I have written. The screenshot shows on what ground the corporation won the appeal and it shows that the Molester confessed.

still consult the link to evidence number 2 to see that there is no contradiction with the report provided by Janosky even though he wanted to add a misleading spin

Thank you

As I have shown to the friends on this forum in another thread with receipts receipts and more receipts the jehovah's witnesses teach that all of you would die at armageddon unless you convert to becoming one of Jehovah's witnesses.

Think about it, 8 billion + population to be toast like Barbecue while only 8 million + jehovah's witnesses, infact it will be far less than 8 million because there are many in their ranks that would not survive because of their unfaithfulness and their practice of secret sin, living a double life and unconfessed sins. Believe me when I tell you that a good number of jehovah's witnesses here have sins they have not reported

Better go and report or else no survival of armageddon for you. The sins ranges from many who are viewing pornography, some are dating an unbeliever, some have used tobacco or weed at some point in their lives, some have committed porneia.

Jehovah's witnesses, notice ị used porneia. It is because it includes those of you who have fondled the breást or buttocks of another person, those who have been engaged in mutual maturbation, those who have received lap dance or given it, those who have gone to clubs (wild parties ), those who have engaged in extreme petting, those who have done oral and anal sex. And those who have had fornication or adultery.

And the most clear, most prominent sin you find among the Jehovahs witnesses ranks is dishonesty.
All of you who continue to write fake hours and inflate your return visits and Bible studies in your report slips, better go and report o
Unless you don't want to survive Armageddon.

Then there are those who have taken money from the contribution envelope they used to carry around to eat. Even if you replaced the money, you have stolen from Jehovah, please go and meet the elders.

Back to what I was saying Jehovahs witnesses that will survive will not reach 8 million because according to them, if you don't confess of your serious sins no matter how long ago it happened, you are a goner


So dear Christians and even Muslims reading this, you have no chance of survival into their new world unless you were lucky to be born in their religion (born ins account for over 85% of their number). How convenient that for you to survive you have to belong to an American high control group led by 8 men or you die. Bravo!!! Nice logic jw's. Nice one.

Jw's go and confess ọ Armageddon is near.

mitchyy:


I do not read replies that begin with insults and demeaning words. I'm not your child. When you are ready to speak maturedly, i will read and reply as i've been replying everyone else

Where did he insult you?

Why do you like to dish what you can't take? You have been asking people to examine articles on your website and think for themselves, why not do the same and check out www.jwfacts.com? After all of you have the truth, you should fear nothing. The truth fears no scrutiny.

He said your governing body member testified in the Australian royal commission case number 29 and he said it would be presumptuous to say the governing body are the only channel jehovah is using. That is a lie as you well know. Infact he went further to give some false and misleading testimonies that you know is false when you read the organized to do Jehova book and the shepherd book (the elders book which you will never read because you are a woman in jw land. Infact you may not even know it exist)

Here's evidence of Geoffrey Jacksons Testimony :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erWV8YnTFto

All throughout your publications it is stated clearly that the governing body (faithful and discreet slave) is the only channel by which you get spiritual food and directions.. Infact in 2017 the Watchtower said that you should follow all directions from them even when it doesn't seem logical from a strategic point of view. So in a nutshell, follow the direction even if it makes no sense to you and may as well lead to your death.

My own is I want you to answer these questions if you may.

1) What is the scriptural and emperical evidence that your organization was chosen by Jesus in 1919?

2) since you don't accept blood because the Bible says abstain from "whole blood" and "blood components" (red, white blood cells, plasma and platelets) why then can you accept blood fractions, like haemoglobin which is more than 90% red blood cells? And hope you know blood fractions are gotten from stored blood of other donors? What is the scriptural basis for accepting blood fractions?

3) since your publication says this : “No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.” Awake! 2009 Jul p.29 why does your religion practice the exact opposite by destroying families when a family member decides he no longer wishes to be a part of your organization?

Now before you argue that your religion does not divide families? See another receipt I have
“Do not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail.” Watchtower Study Edition 2013 Jan 15 p.16

I have some more critical thinking questions after you answer these for all of us to see.

Thank you.

Janosky:



Timalt EMPTY NOISE RANTS..
.....
The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine.
Court cases wey JW appeared and won you done go blind, others were settled out of court.

May Jehovah forgive you for your subtle attempt to malign Janosky with your subtle defamatory statements.

Show everyone just one CSA case Timalt or his Church have reported to the Government and successfully prosecuted with conviction of the accused.

Until then, Timalt is a confirmed Hypocrite !

Thank you so much for the challenge.

He said "The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine."

@ Rozz

Please I want you to see that like I have said, all I have said are confirmed public information. This Jehovah witness guy said I should show one genuine proof. I will do more than that. I will provide 4 Proofs.

I have more cases. But for the sake of showing to all the world who the hypocrite and wolves in sheep clothing are, I will start with 4 cases.

From the cases I'll be posting, you will see a case where they settled the abused person outside court with money. And you will see one where they lost $28 Million dollars. Then you will see the commission in Australia where 1006 child sex abusers were confirmed to be in Jehovahs witnesses database as known child abusers and they kept quiet.

Here comes my proofs

1) https://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html
(they settled the victim out of court in this case)


2) https://www.revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/
(the lost $28 million dollars in this case)


3) https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-releases/report-jehovahs-witness-organisations-released

4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9q2ImaE_lg (after watching this particular video, try watching all the other videos of the proceedings that covers upto 8 days at the proceeding)


Janosky, now the world will see who the real HYPOCRITE is.

I have many more cases to bring up in case that is not sufficient.

By the way, you said the cases are all alleged, but your 2019 watchtower admits that there are Child Sex Abusers in your organization and that it is a big problem among you people. If you want me to quote your watchtower for you so that the world can see, I will do it.


Other churches especially pentecostal churches unlike the catholic and jehovah's witnesses report crimes to the authorities. But even the pope of the catholic church has openly apologized and they now report theirs to the authorities. Jehovah's witnesses on the other hand handle it among your ranks in your famed Judicial committees and after the proceedings of your kangaroo court judicial committee, you don't report it to the authorities. Infact it is because of the pressure and loss of court cases that has pressured your watchtower organization. For example a known child abuser among your ranks since 2018 will no longer receive any church office which you call privileges of service for a long time if ever.

Your evil policy called the "the two witness rule" is aiding child sex abusers to escape prosecution among your ranks. Your policy states that there must be two witnesses to the crime or confession from the accused before any church judicial committee can be set forth and even then, the church does not report it to the police or NAPTIP but they report it to your branch office.

Keep being bitter and spiteful while I publish more facts. Facts are not sentimental. They are simply facts.

Thank you.

PiccoloBrunelli:


Good afternoon Madam.

The Beroeans were a people who after being preached to by the Apostle Paul still made out time to research and prove to themselves that what they were told was the truth. God wants us to convince ourselves of the truth and not just follow our parents or pastors without fact checking.

That being said I will like to direct your attention to a publication by Jehovah's Witnesses dedicated to the Trinity Doctrine. I encourage you to read it along with your own Bible. Allow the facts to speak for themselves. Instead of being afraid of the Witnesses, be afraid of those who would not let you question what you've been taught since you were a child.

Here is the link to the publication:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/brochures-and-booklets/trinity-ti

Hello, dear friend, I would want you to apply the same thing you said to her to yourself. Since you advised her to behave like the Boreans, that is fine.

Now, do the same yourself.
On your doctrine of 1914,.i want you to read this too
https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/607-7-times.php

Happy reading

Janosky:


I challenge you to bring proof here where you condemned the popular churchpreneur allegedly accused of rape in the recent past.
Hypocrite !

So it is now a case of other churches do evil, so jehovah's witnesses can do evil too? .

Your organization is being slapped with Child Sexual Abuse cases left right center at different courts around the world. The number of pedophiles in your midst that has gone unreported to authority is nauseating.

It was because of Court policies that made your organization print a watchtower in 2019 dedicated to child sex abuse in your organization.

Your organization is just as Rotten and vile, even worse it doesn't report these crimes. You only handle it judicially. From the way you barked when I mentioned this, I would not be surprised that you are a pedophile

It is because of your pedophile cases that made you don't preach to children again without their parents permission as your organization used to do before.

Janosky:


Anybody who feels or perceives he has axe to grind with you,can NEVER tell others the truth about you.
Anything you see there, ask JWs.
A one sided claim can NEVER be very factual.
Objectivity and clarity is important.

For Church, Una no say Jesus Na una friend ?

Jehovah is my Heavenly Father, my Friend, my Secure Refuge, my Shepherd.
Deal with it.
You distort the narrative.
I fear who no fear you.

Simple question oga, are you a son of God? Please say yes so that I can bring out watchtower articles that shows you are lying. You call yourself a friend of God.

Are you a son of God? oga answer

Rozz:
I have also noticed that all JW members dodge any questions concerning blood transfusion,they don't like talking about it and that increases my curiosity.They will attend to all other questions but never on blood transfusion,why?

Research the religion very carefully.

Goto YouTube, type: exjw,
Search for Australian Royal Commission

Maximus69:


What you don't know is the fact that Jesus' order carries two key functions:- Matthew 28:19-20

PREACHING~ short presentation to spur the interest of our householder, it's after this short presentation that the interested person starts giving more time as he/she realizes the significance of what he/she heard!

TEACHING~ extensive explanation when the interested person began looking forward to learning from the preachers!

You've heard so much from Jehovah's Witnesses Sir, so you're NOT expecting our PREACHING anymore but TEACHING, therefore if you truthfully want to learn, you have to follow the instructions of the teachers! You're the one having all those questions at heart Sir, you're to approach Jehovah's Witnesses to learn what you don't know.
You can't be the (humble) student and at the same time dictating for the teacher how to teach you Sir!

You settle down and write long epistles without answering even one of the questions. What a shame.

All the time you spent writing this long story could have been used proving the pieces of evidence I requested.

By the way, you people teach via social media and zoom now because of the coronavirus pandemic, since you don't go to peoples homes again at least for now. So here we are on social media, the perfect place for you to teach me. Provide me with evidence instead of this merry go round you are doing my brother
After all I'm sure you are recording the time you spend on Nairaland as field service time.
By virtue of the fact that you are almost on every thread were jehovah's witnesses are mentioned, I bet you have a lot of hours to submit.

So cut to the chase sir, provide the evidence and stop beating around the bush.


My questions still remains o

1) provide evidence for us all to see your religion was chosen in 1919

2) provide evidence in the Bible that shows that children, infact babies as young as 7 years old were baptised during the Christian Era.

3) show me one place in the Bible that says that doctrines which were once taught as "truth" will change to new truth or new light as you call it.

He still has not answered these questions ooo

Maximus69:


Jesus never sent us to you or your cohorts on faceless social media like Nairaland Sir.

Our assignment is to find the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" {Matthew 10:6} meaning people who realize they needed spiritual guidance.

Jesus made it clear that it's not a collective learning program Sir!

Each person will decide on his own whether to join the sheep fold or not! Matthew 10:13

So speak of your own personal resolution Sir, millions are studying God's word with his people and getting baptized enen in this pandemic lockdown!

You don see preaching run. Lol.

My people can you see it how this our man no wan answer my questions o.

And by the way, can you see the kind of extremist behavior he exhibits?
I called him a brother. Jesus says "all of you are brothers" - Matthew 23:8. I am a disciple of Christ and no matter my doctrinal difference with others I consider them my brothers and sisters.
But for Jehovah's witnesses, it is only them that are brothers or sisters.
He corrected where I called him a brother and called me a neighbor. Lol. Kaii
He believes it's only Jehovah's witnesses that are his brothers and sisters. That is how fanatical he is.

My questions still remains o

1) provide evidence for us all to see your religion was chosen in 1919

2) provide evidence in the Bible that shows that children, infact babies as young as 7 years old were baptised during the Christian Era.

3) show me one place in the Bible that says that doctrines which were once taught as "truth" will change to new truth or new light as you call it.

We need answers o