I dey come back to comment

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achorladey:


Q.E.D after all there is no better performing group according to Mr I AM THROUGH WITH YOU.

Yes o. I doubt that the guy has a job though
He's always online jumping from thread to thread like a motorpark tout picking arguments with people.

The two questions I ask am about about
1. Providing evidence they were chosen in 1919
2. How can it be said the gathering of those with an earthly hope started in 1935 if as they now teach, the heavenly choosing is still open and not closed?

Those two rocked him bad

I feel that with people like this we just leave them with socratic questions and allow them use their sense if they have any.

Gotta work. See you around bro.

Maximus69:


Just explain what Jesus meant when he told his close confidants not to listen to the teachings of the Pharisees and Saddusees. Period! Matthew 16:5-12

Jesus said his disciples should watch out for the Teachings of the Pharisees.

Since your organization has the holier than thou attitude of the pharisees, people should watch out for your teachings.

Maximus69:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

There are no trouble makers amongst the first century Christians Sir!

Remember Christians were vilified back then in the first century so how can people who weren't regarded by their own people think of causing any trouble?

On the contrary it was Jewish Christians that were insisting that fellow Christian from other nations must be circumcised, that's why Paul and Barnabas were sent to go and listen to what the Apostles in Jerusalem will decide! Act 15:1-5

The Apostles and elders in Jerusalem gathered to discuss on the matter! Act 15:6

They concluded it's not necessary and set just few compulsory rules for all the Christians! Act 15:28-29

Paul and Barnabas began traveling to all the places where Christians do their meetings to tell them the outcome of the matter! Act 16:4

You think say you wan know pass Jehovah's Witnesses for inside our book?

Abeg go sidon!

I have told you repeatedly, you are a small boy in your organization before.

Now let me humble you again. Since you run your mouth like tap

First, a person causing quarrel, dissension or trouble is a trouble maker. That is exactly what the men from Judea did.

Now watch the screenshot below to see what different translations say.

Your large mouth will not allow you stop and think before you type

You said there were no troublemakers. Let me bring you down from your high horse.

1 Corinthians 1:10 - 12 - I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction. My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: Individuals among you are saying, “I follow Paul,” “I follow Apollos,” “I follow Cephas,”a or “I follow Christ.

Paul said there were quarrels among them.

Aswear if to say you be small pikin I for knock you as I dey burst your ignorance

Lol. When you join Jehovah witness wey you dey form knowledge? You don even read insight on the scriptures book volume 1 & 2?
When I tell you say you be small boy for jehovah's witness, make you dey believe me.

The people from Jerusalem caused trouble so they were troublemakers. Common English. Paul and Barnabas went to meet the brothers who where in Jerusalem to clarify the issue. And it was clarified. Remember that I have said from the first post that the apostles took the foremost lead. But there was no governing body. This was a one time council. I asked you to show us 3 times Paul reported to Jerusalem like you claimed, you failed. Apart from this case which required they go to Jerusalem, there was none.

achorladey:




Good for you and keep it noted. So when you go about your usual saying that they are FALSE WORSHIPPERS or False RELIGION and they in turn return the GESTURE don't feel bitter about it or RUN to YOUR usual(Which group is performing better than JWs). Kajiko?

Hahaha. Na Hausa you speak for am so ba?

Their pride and arrogance is just pharasaical. With heavy chips on their shoulders. It doesnt allow them to see clearly.

Imagine him saying they won't listen to others because it's noisy waters, but others should listen to them. That is just sickening and hypocritical.

I don't blame Maximus69, he still has a Muslims mindset. A mindset of Holy ones vs Infidels.
That is why his rhetorics are extremely fanatical. Someone who would never open his heart to logic and reason. When a person feels he has the truth already, how then can you teach him? It will only take God's grace for that to happen.

He moved from one extreme religion to another extreme religion. One commits suicide as martyrdom one dies from refusing blood transfusion even when it's the last resort and considers it faithfulness to Jehovah.

The problem is that they don't take the things they dish. They Said they won't listen to yours, but you have to listen to theirs. The kind of circular reasoning needed to digest this is mind blowing.

Maximus69:


Short and simple answer!

Paul and Barnabas were sent to go and confirm what the Apostles will conclude on the matter

Abeg why going to Jerusalem?

Why not decide there like your churches of today that's not orderly or well organized?

Because the trouble makers came from Jerusalem. So they had to go there to resolve it.

Geeez am I speaking Latin? Na wa o.

Maximus69:


Na wah o!

Paul said Satan has blinded some people so that the gospel about the Christ won't make sense to them! 2Corinthians 4:4

The same Paul said even if another person or himself or an angel (from heaven) should teach anything contrary to what his listeners have learnt, such a person or spirit be accursed! Galatians 1:8

Balance view: there are teachings that's benefitial but Satan doesn't want people to grasp it, and Satan is teaching what's of no practical benefits. So it's left for each person to decide on his/her own!

No wahala!

See how porous your argument is.

Mormons are telling their members the same thing too. If according to you, only your religion has the truth, how will Mormons ever find out since they already believe that only they have the truth?
And vice versa.

And according to the scripture you quoted, how would you know something is contrary to what is true except you examine it yourself?

Use your critical thinking skills before you just blurt out things na.

You can only know what is true and what is false when you examine both sides of an argument.

Every adult with even basic secondary school education knows that you must listen to more than one source to draw conclusions.

Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." - (Proverbs 18:17)

Seriously the way you reason matters sometimes dey fall hand.

Rozz:
we all have our points but may the real truth find each and everyone of us

QED. I agree. Amen. End of matter.

Maximus69:



Paul reporting to the Apostles in Jerusalem!

@Act 9:27
Barnabas presented Paul to the Apostles so that they could approve him as one of the preachers and teachers of the gospel, explaining to them how Jesus had dealt with Paul!

@Act 15:2
Arguments erupted amongst the Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians whether it was compulsory for everyone to be Circumcised, so because Paul and Barnabas also were confused on the issue, the first century Christians sent both Paul and Barnabas with some others to go and confirm what the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem will conclude whatever the Apostles say over this matter will be final {Matthew 16:19} neither Paul nor Barnabas has a say again on the matter!

@16:4 Paul continue his missionary journey and as he goes is declaring the order of the Apostles in Jerusalem on the issue of Faith, so that all those seeing Paul could understand that there is a group that's responsible for whatever Paul teaches them!

So according to these verses, does it seem that Paul was an independent preacher or he had the body he must report to?

What kind of twisting of scripture is this?

This is sad and shameful. So you have no scripture to support your lie that Paul kept reporting to Jerusalem. I fear who no fear you.

Please everyone should open and read.

Acts 15: 1 - 41

The verses shows clearly that some men from judea came to the gentile nations and told them that they must be circumcised.

Pay attention. The men were from Judea.

Paul and Barnabas disputed with these men. It was for this reason that Paul and Barnabas went to the region were these brothers came from Judea - Jerusalem to settle this dispute not because he usually reports to them. That lie is disgusting.
And like I have said earlier which is in accord with the Bible, the apostles were taking the foremost lead at the time.

And BTW What exactly does the passage at chapter 15 say? Does it use the term "governing body"? Does it say the apostles alone were involved in this doctrinal decision? Not at all.

Acts 15:22,23 "Then the apostles and the elders, together with the whole congregation, decided to send chosen men from among them to Antioch, along with Paul and Barnabas; they sent Judas who was called Barsabbas and Silas, who were leading men among the brothers. They wrote this and sent it through them:"

Decision making was not vested in a small group of leaders.[ Rather the congregation, including the apostles, elders, Paul and Barnabas all were involved in coming to agreement on the issue and composing the letter to distribute their findings. A small, controlling group of leaders did not have total power over the early Christian Congregation's.

It was a collective decision reached by the apostles, the elders and the congregations.

Kai. You fall hand. I was hoping to see you back up the lie where you said Paul kept reporting to them in Jerusalem.

You could not produce even one scripture not to talk of 3.
In Acts 16, Paul and Barnabas shared the decision of the apostles the elders and the congregation with the gentile Christians and all were happy to hear that no yoke was placed on them. Circumcision on uncircumcision continued to be a personal issue.

See the bogus lie I busted
You can't even produce 3 verses to prove Paul kept reporting to a supposed Jeruselem authority.

I thought you even had Bible knowledge, you fall hand big time.

rottennaija:

what is this organisation? Is it Jehovah? Jesus? The angels? The bible? The Christian congregation? What?

See what their own watchtower says in the picture below.
That is why when I directed you to www.jwfacts.com the other day to read an article about their 1914 doctrine, Janosky jumped out, instructing you not to read it, that it is poison and insidious.

Imagine telling an adult that a material is poison and insidious. Should that conclusion not be left for you to make?

Like I said, it is not just about jw's. No religion should control what it's members can read and what they can't.
By the way it is only by reading different viewpoints that one can reach sound conclusions that is truly theirs.

Thank you.

Maximus69:


@Rozz

I'm responding to this comment because of you, you talked about being open-minded, but achorladey is trying to say the same should be applicable to Jehovah's Witnesses members!

First of all let me start by saying "you're wrong Sir"!

Why? Because Jehovah's Witnesses are sent to come and meet you in your homes in order to share what the Bible teaches with you NOT to compare your beliefs with their own!
So to do this both of you will have to read the scriptures carefully, meditate on what it says thoroughly and look for ways to apply it for the benefit of one and all!

When Jesus began his ministry, he preached and taught people so many things, but at a point in time he told his own close friends to STOP LISTENING TO CRITICS WHO DON'T HAVE SOUND TEACHING! Matthew 16:5-12

Jesus said this not to all those listening to him but to those who have decipher the difference between what is benefitial and teachings that's of no benefit! Isaiah 48:17-18

Please Jehovah's Witnesses are following the footsteps of Jesus, we don't tell someone who hasn't notice the BENEFITS of our teachings not to listen to others, of course they can't be sure of what they're learning if there is no comparison!

But once i have gotten the sense of what is benefitial, seen the benefits with my own eyes and dedicated my life to doing it, what else do i have with what i've left behind knowing fully well that none of those practicing those things can see 0.01 of the benefits that God's people are enjoying?

Please, how do you define a mentally deranged individual, if not by watching him/her saying things that's not practical?

Certainly anyone speaking against Jehovah's Witnesses Organization after seeing all what this group have achieved so far, but can't point to a better performing group, yet speaking against the one that's practically making changes in the lifestyle of people from different races under the heavens to the extent that they have come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.

Certainly the brain of such a critics need to be examined!

I am still waiting for proof of this in the Bible o.

and it's there orders that all Christians adhere STRICTLY to, that's why Paul also keep reporting to them! Act 16:3-4

You said Paul kept reporting to them. Please prove it with Atleast 3 scriptures of Paul doing this.

Provide the scriptures to back what you said sir. Let the world watch and see another lie from Maximus69. He has even refused to reply me

Cc Rozz all I want to quote for you is 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "But test all things, hold fast to what is good"

This scripture is for everyone too. Before you join any religion, not just jehovah's witnesses, always do what that Bible verse says.

Any religion and I mean any religion that discourages you from testing some things and tries to control what you read about them, hmm. Be careful.

Oga Maximus69 please for heavens sake give us the Bible verses na

Cc : rottennaija
Achorladey

Oga Maximus69 I am waiting o.

Where are the Bible verses that shows that Paul kept reporting to a "supposed governing body" in Jerusalem

we are all still waiting o... Abeg no too delay

Maximus69:


The idea of a Governing Body surely has it's root during the first century Christian congregation Sir, but it wasn't mentioned just as you've said!

First of all we need to clarify matters, what you said about cases not reoccurring in the first century where the Apostles had to decide for all Christians happened many times Sir! Act 2:42, 15:2, 16:4

Secondly the twelve Apostles were stationed in Jerusalem, they remained there until Roman armies came to destroy the city, then the remaining ones who had not been killed were scattered, but before then they remained in Jerusalem as the Governing Body of all the Christian congregations back then, and it's there orders that all Christians adhere STRICTLY to, that's why Paul also keep reporting to them! Act 16:3-4

What most Bible readers failed to notice is what Jesus appointed Paul for, Jesus specifically chose Paul to be the Apostle for the nations {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} so while the 12 Apostles were chosen to connect Jews to Jesus {Matthew 10:6} Paul's ministry was specifically targeted at people of other nations, that's why he was the one writing letters to them about how they must practice Christianity based on his experience with them! That's why most people do thought Paul's letters should be ignored because he wrote those letters with the intention of setting standards not as if he was just giving advices, and that's proper because Jesus will never acknowledge any individual who despises a single word from Paul (the Apostle Jesus specifically chose to connect you to himself)!

And as for TRINITY that you guys are erecting as a pillar against the concept of Governing Body. I want you to know that the title General Overseer (GO) never appeared in the Bible but Jehovah's Witnesses recognise the title as that of one man overseeing his own Church. That was the title the Bible students also wanted to give Charles Taze Russell before the light (Jesus in the spirit) came to help them realize that it's wrong, they discovered that apart from Jesus there was no time a single person served in that capacity amongst the first century Christians, rather it was the twelve Apostles that served together as a group overseeing all the congregations throughout that time. That's why we concluded that the concept of Governing Body is more appropriate than that of the General Overseer!

Of course Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" {Matthew 7:20} so far so good the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization have proved to be a tree that's producing the fruit benefitial unlike the General Overseers of TRINITY churches whose members aren't recognizable by fine deeds! Matthew 7:16-18

God bless you!

Please I want you to prove this with references.

and it's there orders that all Christians adhere STRICTLY to, that's why Paul also keep reporting to them! Act 16:3-4

You said Paul kept reporting to them. Please prove it with Atleast 3 scriptures of Paul doing this.

Again remember that your organizations understanding of governing body is the apostles and elders. Not the apostles only. Except you are now telling me that you now have an apostolic succession.

Please prove what you claimed with references.

Again, you keep making assertions about what I don't believe in. Did I talk about General overseer here? I have told you I don't belong to a denomination for a thousand times now.

Stick to the topic and provide proof for your claim. We are waiting...

By the way, remember like I said, Acts 16 :1 - 6 was simply the Apostle Paul sharing the result of the meeting in Acts 15 to the gentile Christians.

Thank you

Janosky:


Timalt HYPOCRITE who FALSELY accused JWs of child abuse cover up is presenting EVIDENCE to Nairaland that JWs are handling the issue with ZERO tolerance.


The JW Policy of Child Protection have long been in use worldwide even before the Australian Royal Commission was set up.

Timalt been attacking JWs with upandan with EMPTY NOISE & TWISTED my posts

For the umpteenth time, I challenge Timalt to provide Evidence to Nairaland where himself or his Church have reported cases of statutory rape or sexual abuse to the Police which resulted in the conviction of the offender..

Timalt have turned Nairaland into a kangaroo court session to pass his BIGOTED, HYPOCRITICAL judgment on JWs.

In the same manner, Timalt CONSISTENTLY FAILED to show ZERO EVIDENCE of his child sexual abuse advocacy/activism .

I fear who no fear HYPOCRITICAL WAYO Timalt.

All Insults and no substance.

This is supposedly the Jehovahs witness who claims they are a peaceful people.

He quoted me 5 times without one proof of a governing body in Jerusalem (consisting of the apostles and elders).

Not one single proof. Because we have perforated his lie, he resorts to insults. What a show of shame.

My submissions were and remains that
1) the word governing body is found no where in the Bible, just like jw's are happy to say trinity is not found in the Bible.

2) the concept of a governing body is not taught in the Bible. Jesus told his disciples. "All of you are brothers". There were brothers taking the lead in the various congregations as is shown throughout the Bible, but no Christian "governed" a fellow Christian.

3) the council meeting of the apostles and elders in Jerusalem in Acts 15 was a one time event and it was because the persons who had gone to create trouble for the gentiles and hang the yoke of circumcision were jews from Jerusalem. So it had to be them who would solve the issue.

4) there is no other recorded account of this council reoccurring in the Bible again.

5) important : The Apostles were the ones who took the foremost lead in the first century. But they were not a governing body, they were not always at the same place at all times. Paul was a missionary, Apostle John was on an Island in Patmos. Peter had his own ministry. These apostles did not have to contact Jerusalem before making decisions. Infact when. Paul was made an apostle, there is no biblical account that shows he went to Jerusalem to receive his assignment from a supposed "governing body".

After the apostles died, there was no Apostolic succession. This is something the jehovah's witnesses teach in their books. They teach that there was no Apostolic succession, I can quote it directly from their reasoning book if anyone wants it. Except the Jehovah's witnesses want to tell us that they are successors of the Apostles now. Which would be hilarious

From Acts 16:1-6 Apostle Paul delivered the result of the meeting they had in Jerusalem in Acts 15 : 1- 41 to the gentile Christians. The decisions or observance to be adhered to were "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality".


From all the scriptures he was throwing around, I did not see a governing body in the Bible or even the concept of it. Everyone is free to check it. All I saw was the "apostles". Not the apostles and the elders. The one that mentioned Apostles and elders in Acts 16 was still the same reference to the Acts 15 council meeting of Elders and Apostles.
Let us even ask, Are jehovah's witnesses leaders an apostolic succession?

For anyone who would like to hear the other side of the jw teachings, things they will not tell you at the door, please visit www.jwfacts.com

www.jwfacts.com
www.ajwrb.org
www.jwsurvey.org

Maximus69:


What about our terms and conditions to continue with our friendly discussion?

Remember all i asked you is to present your own cake so that we can share both together, no cheating!

Typical!!!

Another one bites the dust. E don see another socratic question from my arsenal of questions. E don invoke terms and conditions.

The same terms and conditions he broke. He asked me which church I attend, I told him I don't belong to any denomination but I meet in small homes like the first century Christians. But that answer did not satisfy him as he was looking to pin me into an angle like the Pharisees.
He couldn't deny that meeting in homes was the way the first century Christians did.

After answering his question, it became my turn to ask him a question. I asked him to provide the biblical and emperical evidence that his organization was chosen by God and christ in 1919 as they claim. Evidence is all I asked for.

Then cried wolf. He said that I must produce the name of my denomination and what I believe. Hahahaha. What a joke. I answered him but he refused to answer me. So much for a "friendly discussion"

Oga go pour your medicine drink, there is nothing friendly about you. I have seen the way you attack people like a tout on Nairaland.

Answer my questions o

Maximus69:


Great!

So Jesus must be called to question for laying down such precedence! Matthew 10:34-39

I hope you know JWs are claiming to be followers of the Nazarene who utter the statement recorded in that Bible quotation!

How peaceful all the terrorised countries will be if Muslims decides just to shun those who leave their religion?

Think of how blissful those northerners being killed everyday will be if Muslims only shun them NOT killing them!

My friend, you love deceit no be small!

Try get sense na

Claiming you are following Jesus to shun your family, which by the way Jesus never taught or did is the same with a Muslim claiming to follow Mohammed when he kills people and call it Jihad.

Your ostracism has led to some of your members committing suicide. Do you know how harmful ostracizing people from the only social cycle they have ever known simply because they no longer want to be Jehovahs witnesses is?
See one screenshot below.

Go and research the effects of ostracism on humans and see how evil it is and the psychological toll it takes on people. Even one of your awake magazine talked about how evil the silent treatment is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/409695002

I know you have killed whatever humanity you have left in you, moving from one fanatical religion to another. But I want you to click that link above and remember that the only crime those people ever committed is Disassociating from your religion. Think about that long and hard if you still have any humanity in you.

By the way I noticed you dodged the suicides and martyrdom your members commit by refusing blood transfusions. Or the ones that killed themselves when you people were not allowed to take blood fractions back in the day. Who is responsible for those peoples deaths?

The hypocrisy in you and your religion is sickening. It is easy to call other religions names, but you can't take what you dish out. Abeg go pour your medicine drink

It is only a cult that you can join but can never leave. Is your religion a cult? Na question I ask.

rottennaija:


So at least, you can admit their are reading he bible....some people are getting sense. You have been mentioning the organisation up and down, what is this organisation? Is it Jehovah? Jesus? The angels? The bible? The Christian congregation? What?

You said its a concept, what is this organisation?

Jozzy4
Janosky
Maximus69
Timalt

Don't mind this followers of a deluded 1800s American Sect follower.

Ask them where the word organization was mentioned in the Bible and see them run. ;DOr ask them where in the first century was even the concept of a top down totalitarian, legalistic, dictatorial, autocratic organization found in the First century and they can't provide one.

Yesterday I called out Janosky's false lie that there was a governing body in the first century. The word was never used. The concept is never seen. All we had was ONE council meeting in Jerusalem by the Apostles and elders to settle a dispute caused by the jews who went to gentile nations to impose the yoke of circumcision.
The coward Janosky cannot provide one reference to show there was a governing body whether in the first century, second century or third century.

I even showed him the book written by their strongest defender and apologist - Rolf Furuli. Who was a district overseer and a university lecturer (PhD) who destroys the governing claim to authority.
Janosky fled like a wimp and refused to respond

I want to ask Jehovahs witnesses another question.


Since you first taught that the number of the "anointed" was completed in 1931 and then 1935 and that it was because the number was complete that God started choosing those with an earthly hope from 1935, the question now is since you people no longer agree that the number of "anointed" is complete, on what grounds then did the gathering of those with an earthly hope start?

How can we say the gathering of those with earthly hope started in 1935 since the number of "anointed" was not complete at the time as we now know?



Maximus69 I want make you come answer this one o.

Maximus69:


From time immemorial people have moved from one place to another, one religion to another due to what they liked best based on their own personal trait!

What really matters here is the fruit of the group they later joined! Matthew 7:16-18

The whole earth is in chaos today due to terrorism from one place to another, please remind me the main religion that's championing TERRORISM globally!

Perhaps people in your neighbourhood will agree to the TRUTH that Jehovah's Witnesses can be found in the list of terror groups!

Stop deceiving yourself!

Islam champions terrorism, Jehovah's witnesses champions breakage of families, totalitarian shunning and ostracism.

Your religion has destroyed so many lives just like Islam. Go online and see. See how children shun their parents simply because the parents disassociate from your organization. Not because the parents commit any sin, no but because they said they no longer want to be part of your religion.

Your religion has caused senseless suicides and martyrdom in the name of refusing blood transfusion. Do you know that even the blood fractions you now receive there was a time it was banned by your religion? Then again in the 1960s your religion condemned organ transplant and called it cannibalism which lead to the death of at least members. I have Atleast one confirmed experience to share if you want.

Thousands have died over useless blood policies. Even children who cannot vote or get driving licenses are forced to refuse blood transfusions even when it may be the only resort. Now before you come here talking about the safety of blood or so, don't deceive yourself. Jehovah's witnesses do not take blood not because it is not safe or medical findings, no
But because you believe you are obeying God's command.

How are you different from an indoctrinated Muslim child suicide terrorist who believes his committing martyrdom by killing others is obedience to his God.

All I see is two sides of the same coin. Two devoted extreme fanatical religions. A difference with no distinction.

Just like Islam, there is no honorable way to leave your religion.

Stop deceiving yourself. Remove the log in your eye before pointing to the lumber in another's eye.

You are one funny guy

Maximus69:


You've tried Sir and i must commend you for the time, effort and resources invested in Jehovah's Witnesses Organization.

I'm surely a baby in the Organization and i am just getting to the point of becoming an appointed servant in the congregation.

First of all i want you to know that God's Organization is not searching for perfect individuals but sinners {Matthew 9:13} so it's those who see themselves as needy regarding spiritual cleansing that this organization is searching for Sir!

Secondly Jesus' teachings wasn't fully understood by all his followers at the same time, even Peter who worked with Jesus throughout Jesus' earthly ministry and served as Jesus' spokesman at Pentecost {Act 2:14} need to be corrected by Paul who never knew Jesus face to face {Galatians 2:11-14} but we are all like an army holding different positions during this conclusion of things!

As for reporting myself regarding things done in the hidden, you're totally wrong my friend, all these are arrangements to help each member regain his stand so it's how far each person grasp the concept in order to make quick use of it. The first and foremost criteria for anyone to gain everlasting life is OBEDIENCE to those taking the lead under Jehovah's arrangement! Hebrew 13:17 compare to Numbers 12:1-15

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization never claimed to be inspired Sir, but so far so good they're the most peaceful group in all the earth today!

God's word said during the end time "the sun will not give it's light and the moon will turn to blood" {Mark 13:24} surely believers living during such a time won't get any signal from heaven, their only means of guidance will be to rely solely on what is written in the Bible!

Their FAITH and HOPE will lean on the LOVE they add for God! 1Corinthians 13:4-13

That's what God's people are experiencing now through this darkest period of human history, so even if they have to make mistakes again and again and again there is no shaking Sir, they will still come out victoriously because the spirit God cherish most is permeating their group OBEDIENCE 1Samuel 15:22

So my friend you may believe in interfaith but i am 100% sure that there is no other group of worshipers of the true God apart from JW Organization!

May God bless you Sir!

This man who converted from Christianity to Islam is absolutely sure there is no other group of worshippers of the true God apart from Islam


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGUjaYXMNe8

What you feel is subjective, and is exactly what you called it. A feeling.

Evidence that you were chosen in 1919 will be the solid proof you need to provide.

Quote of the day

Jehovah's witnesses and mental health


"As a rule, for a Christian to go to a worldly psychiatrist is an admission of defeat, it amounts to 'going down to Egypt for help.' Isaiah 31:1. Often when a Witness of Jehovah goes to a psychiatrist, the psychiatrist will try to persuade him that his troubles are caused by his religion, entirely overlooking the fact that the Christian witnesses of Jehovah are the best-oriented, happiest and most contented group of people on the face of the earth. They have the least need for psychiatrists. Also, more and more psychiatrists are resorting to hypnosis, which is a demonic form of worldly wisdom." - Awake! 1960 March 8 p.27

Also


"Is the turning of people from the clergy to the psychiatrists a healthy phenomenon? No, for it really is a case of jumping from the frying pan into the fire. They are worse off than they were before... That they are not the ones to go to for help when one is depressed and beset with all manner of problems is to be seen from the fact that suicides among them are twice as frequent as among the population in general... what is needed at such times is not worldly psychiatrists who may wholly ignore the change that the truth and God's holy spirit have made in one's life and who know nothing of their power to help one put on a new Christian personality. Rather, what is needed at such times is a mature Christian in whom one has confidence and who is vitally interested in one's welfare and who will not shrink back from administering needed reproof or counsel so that one may get healed." - Awake! 1975 August 22 p.25



Cc: rottennaija
Rozz
Maximus69
Janosky

Janosky:


LYING Timalt,its your FALSE claim not mine.
Did I ever claim there were ZERO report of child abuse among JWs?
Where is your PROOF ?

Bros, Official report and video Na the same thing?
You referred to a video on YouTube, I said that your so called 8 day edited video is not the entire proceedings of the ARC.
Why the matter dey give you sifia pains?

You no wan kukuma get sense
The Australian Royal Commission (ARC) was not a Court trial of JWs rather the ARC spotlighted child abuse issues in all strata of the Australian society which dates as far back as the 1940s/50s.....


I don't have to lecture you about societal attitudes to matters of sexuality in the 1940s...
(Go and find out what happened in America the first time Alfred Kinsey as well as Johnson and Masters published their research on human sexuality, juxtapose it to Australian Society).

I have a question for you let's put your integrity to the text..

You dey make EMPTY NOISE upandan..... I challenge you to state the specific Laws operative in the 1940s/90s which the ARC said JWs have contravened .

The claims of the ARC about child abuse among JWs is a misrepresentation of facts.

JWs Legal Team presented our Working Policy on Child Protection to the ARC.
Let everyone see the malicious intent of Timalt and give EXPOSURE to his MISLEADING info on this public forum.
The Screenshots speaks for itself here......


Timalt LYING HYPOCRITE, where is the PROOF of you and your Church reported cases of child rape to the Police and subsequent trial and conviction of the offender(s)?
Bros present your PROOF we done wait sotayy we begin to dey lose weight
Now we dey see the MALICIOUS, VICIOUS INTENT OF Timalt LYING HYPOCRITE !

More bark and no bite.

Before we forget or allow you distort what you really said, here it is and I quote

The Courts called it "ALLEGED", you have ZERO PROOF those allegations were genuine

You claimed it was all allegations and that there is zero proof the allegations were genuine. I called your bluff and exposed that wicked lie of yours. I showed overwhelming evidence that there are child molesters in your organization.
I even provided links and screenshots of prosecuted ones, some were elders.

I also never referred to the Australian royal commission as a court. There you go lying through your teeth again. This is what I said and I quote

the Australian royal commission is the highest form of Enquiry in Australia.

The report and the videos from the Australian royal commission was an enquiry into a documented 1006 confirmed child abuse cases that was never reported to the Authorities. Imagine a whooping 1006 cases over a period of long period of time within the Jehovah witness organization.

Of course your religion has made policy reforms especially since the early 2000s and especially in 2019 as a result of the negative press it has received and the pressure mounted on it by civil rights organizations.
For an organization that claims to be led by God's spirit to have to make positive policy reforms to protect children because of pressure from "Satans world" is revealing. One would expect that a religion that constantly boasts of being directed by holy spirit to blaze the trail in providing child protective policies, but no. "Satans organizations" had to tell you the right thing to do.

For example November 1 1995 Watchtower said this
What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter. If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter. In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation. He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles.

Imagine, telling a child abuse victim to confront the accused. Imagine how traumatic it would be for a sexually abused victim to confront her or his abuser. So disgusting!

It had to take "Satans world" to make them do the right thing. To scrap such twisted application of scripture. Now the abused is no longer asked to confront their abusers. For an organization that boasts of God's wisdom and direction, it definitely didn't show wisdom with such policies.

Finally, go and report yourself to the elders my brother. Don't let a guilty conscience make you bitter. I didn't make the rules. Please go and meet the elders for help. Armageddon is just around the corner o.

Thank you

Maximus69:


Many come from JW families and they've been committing so many sexual misconducts secretly, to free themselves from guilt and the stress of going to meet the elders for spiritual assistance as prescribed by the first century Christian {James 5:13-15} they want that organized setting dismantled!

So they won't need to feel guilty of all their misconducts secretly!

Notice how this same Timalt listed so many things he must have been practicing in secret as if those things aren't what all humans do!

Of course those things are unholy but God only wanted us to come in the midst of his people were we can find comfort as we go to the elders who has been trained to give wise counsel. That is the only way each of us can wash his/her own robe in the blood of the lamb {Rev 7:13-14} surely you don't need to keep on ranting over the other person washing his own robe while you're also busy washing yours! Galatians 6:5

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is the one and only group where you can get the right amount of spiritual cleansing agent to wash your dirty robes and make them clean in the blood of the lamb!

Timalt doesn't want that organized setting so he felt since the people Jehovah is using also makes mistakes, each person should go and solve his own problem, but God knows the reason why he made each of us our brother's keeper {Genesis 4:9} in Jehovah's Witnesses Organization each of us must report if we find any of our brothers/sisters practicing sin {Leviticus 5:1} and to whom should we make the report if not the elders who are in turn serving as representatives of Jehovah in each congregation?

All these arrangement was put in place NOT to punish the offender but to help him or her regain his sanity regarding the state he is, that's the arrangement all these critics are rebelling against, but we are not under the veil of Satan the Devil, if they're tired of Jehovah's arrangement nobody is forcing anybody to stay, the door is wide open for anyone to enter or exit!

The problem with you is that you behave like a tout. jumping from post to post writing long epistles. It amazes you that someone who has never been a part of your high control group (some call it cult) has devoted time to learn about your religion.

Like I told you the other day, you are still a small boy in jw theology. we have not start talking of revelation climax book that has been revised 4 times, Daniel and Isaiah's prophecy books. All those books are obsolete now since the scrapping of your type and antitype doctrine.

Any secret sins you must have committed, go and meet your elders for help o. Else no hope for you at Armageddon o.

If you have been inflating your preaching hours, go and report yourself o. Remember the story of Achan.

No I have never been a part of your organization, yes I have studied it for a good number of years now. And all I still say is that people should do independent research about your organization so that they can see the other side of the coin before joining.

Maximus69 Go and report yourself o. Even sins that are in your repressed memory, go and report it o. I have said my own

Thank you

Janosky:

Timalt is hiding something.....
He may have grown up in a family of JWs or his close relatives are JWs..
Perhaps one of the reasons his Church is nameless (Na joke ooo)

I have definitely pricked a nerve

Let me guess, you have committed one of the sins I mentioned there. Goto the elders before it is too late. Armageddon is just around the corner, go and confess now.

I know for you, it is an unfair fight. I know so much about your organization and you have nothing on me. This explains your obsession with wanting to know what denomination I attend.

It seems unbelievable to you that someone has for years studied your religion from outside to inside and know and have access to books within your own organization that you would never have.

Don't beat yourself over nothing. I simply quoted your elders rule book. It doesn't matter how long ago you committed any of the sins, go and receive spiritual help.

Thank you

Maximus69:


May God bless you more abundantly for strengthening my conviction that i've found the one and only group Jesus talked about saying

ALL EYE WILL BE ON YOU! Matthew 5:14-16

This former far right Dutch politician who was anti Muslim, who called Islam a lie, researched Islam and now he believes Islam to be the true religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGUjaYXMNe8

My friend, that you converted from Islam to Jehovah's witness proves nothing. People change religions everyday.

It is not a matter of opinion. Facts are not sentimental. Because you feel you have found the true religion does not mean anything. The man I just posted and a million others believe they have found the true religion when they convert to Islam.

That is why I asked the question
Provide Biblical and emperical evidence that your religion was chosen as the one true one in 1919?

Since you can't produce it, take a seat my brother. Writing long replies without the evidence is a waste of everyones time.

Rozz:
you sabi outline sins sha lol

Lol. All these things I outlined are outlined in their secret elders book that is called Shepherd the flock of God. It is a book that only the elders in their religion have access to. Many women in the Jehovahs witness religion do not even know the book exist.

I am not kidding when I tell you that all these things I listed are things that can cause one to be disfellowshiped or excommunicated from their religion

Most of them walk on egg shells and live double lives.

Like I said all the things I listed is from their secret elders rule book that can be downloaded online now. It's not so secret again these days

freshboi88:


Provide evidence Timalt is asking for....u want to use me to run. God catch u

I have happily achieved my aim for the thread.

You don't need to keep dragging words with people who cannot provide a single biblical or emperical evidence to support their claim that when Jesus supposedly came to inspect religions, he chose the Jehovah's witness religion.

For 6 days now. Not one single evidence

I seriously don tire to laugh.

For those reading this, when Jehovahs witnesses come to your homes, please be nice to them. They have been conditioned to expect persecution. It shocks them to see that people out there who they call "worldly" people are nice too.

And also educate yourself with facts about them. Facts that even many of their members don't know.
Goto www.jwfacts.com
www.jwfacts.com uses a scholarly approach to the doctrines and policies of the Jehovah's witness religion.

Also before joining them, make sure you listen to what their ex members have to say about them. After all you wouldn't buy electronics online without reading both the good and bad reviews.

Seeing that I have overwhelmingly made my point, I'll be waiting for the next new thread about Jehovah's witnesses. On this thread, the horse has been over flogged already.

For the sake of emphasis, My goal is educate people about the jehovah's witnesses. To show them the other side of the coin. Whether they decide to join the religion or not is entirely a personal decision.

To the Jehovah's witnesses here who believe other Christians would die at Armageddon and only your religion will survive as taught by the pages of your watchtower. I hope you are ready for the said Armageddon. If you are living a double life, committing secret sins, if you have viewed pornography, whether soft porn or hard core pornography, you better go and see your elders o. If you are dating an unbeliever, if you engaged in loose conduct or unclean conduct or brazen acts, you better go and confess o.

If you have engaged in mutual masturbation, if you have fondled the breast or buttocks or genitals of another person, go and confess o. If you have engaged in passionate kissing with someone you don't intend to marry and maybe even allowed your hands to wander to their buttocks during the act, you need spiritual help from the elders. If you have engaged in heavy petting, if you have gone to a club (wild party) better go and meet elders ọ.


If you have been writing fake hours and placements on your report for preaching, you better go and confess o. If you have taken money from the envelope you carry around to people's homes to eat, remember the story of Achan o. Better go and confess.

If you know you have confessed before in a judicial committee, but you know you did not tell the whole truth, and maybe now you are even holding an office of responsibility, remember the story of Ananaias and Saphira who did not tell the whole truth o.

If you know you have sexted before, better go and report yourself now o. If you have sent or received naked pics, better run now to meet the elders o because we are in the last day of the last days of the last days of the last days.

According to your doctrines If you don't meet your elders and confess any of these sins even if happened a long time ago, your service to Jehovah is a waste of time and you will be killed at Armageddon like the rest and your bodies will become manure on the surface of the earth.

I wish everyone a productive week ahead.

Janosky:


It's actually $28m dollars and NOT $35m , I'm sorry about that.
Na only JWs pay out of court settlements?


You dey hide behind Catholic Church, oga Timalt hypocrite I challenge you to tell Nairaland forum the amount Catholic Church pay for Child sexual abuse settlement
Inspite of all his EMPTY NOISES,Please see the Screenshot wey Timalt no get liver to show Nairaland forum



You referenced a Watchtower study edition ALERTING ALL JWs about the harm and dangers of child sexual abuse, you no see am in that Watchtower ?
JWs ZERO tolerance IS VERY OBVIOUS..
I challenge you to show Everyone here the Evidence that your Church and even you Timalt have ever reported a case of child abuse to the Police which led to the conviction of the offender(s).

Na only JWs get their fears and misgivings about organ transplant, Na only JWs?
You get Medical knowledge pass Medical professionals wey say them get FEARS AND MISGIVINGS ABOUT ORGAN TRANSPLANTS?
Why did Timalt single out JWs for attacks ?
Timalt confirmed BIGOT.

Since the year 29CE, "the kingdom of God is at hand" even this last year 2019 " the kingdom of God is at hand" ,
Since Timalt no like Jesus Christ predictions ,Oga please go REMOVE am from your Bible

Trying to pin me to a particular church no work now e say I dey support catholic because I said unlike the Jehovah's witnesses, their pope at least apologized.

Your religion has refused to apologize for the abuse cases that has damaged many lives.

You see how you speak too much and lie. E said 35 million dollars and when I caught the lie, e change mouth
He's even saying na only us pay out of court settlement?

It pains you because you can't pin me to a particular denomination.
I don't belong to Paul or Apollos. I belong to christ. That concept is too big for you to understand.

In the screenshot you shared below, hope you can see your religions name there too

Your religion has been predicting the meaning of "this generation" since time immemorial. Now for the sixth time, your religion changed the meaning of "this generation" to mean overlapping generation. Don't worry. When all these governing body guys die, they will change it again.


And he has finally admitted that they indeed taught that organ transplant was cannibalism. Lol. Now he is saying. They weren't the only ones who didn't subscribe to organ transplant. (no be only us defense for an organization that is supposedly directed by God's spirit )
The way this guy changes mouth like Chameleon is mind blowing.

None of all of you answered the most important question.
What is the emperical and biblical evidence you were chosen in 1919? Give us evidence you were the only religion chosen by God.

Una ask me the denomination I belong to, I told you I worship in homes just like the first century Christians. It pained you because just like the Pharisees setting trap for Jesus, your trap didn't catch me

Now answer mine. The onus lies on you and your cohorts to provide evidence.

Anyway, I think it is clear to all onlookers the question you need to ask the jw's. The question they run from.

Discussing any other questions with them is putting the cart before the horse.

The most important thing is tell them to provide biblical and emperical evidence that they were chosen in 1919 as they teach, and watch them jakpa

Thank you

Janosky:


The Watchtower of 1967 is VERY factual and spot on.

WHY?

Mark 1:15, "and saying, 'The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel. ... Repent of your sins and believe the Good News!' "

Every day and every year since Jesus Christ spoke the WORDS of Mark 1:15, "the kingdom of God is at hand" even in this year 2020.

Timalt, do you believe the WORDS of Jesus Christ?

Them that means you believe the last days started in the first century and not in 1914 as your organization claims.

By the way, the kingdom of God is at hand is not the same with the hairsplitting and text padding your organization did in 1967. Incase you have forgotten see what they wrote.

When the many factors are put together, we find that our generation, our day is the one that is identified in the Bible as the “last days.” In fact, in this year 1967 we are actually living in the final part of that time! This can be compared to, not just the last day of a week, but, rather, the last part of that last day.
- Watchtower 1967 April 1 pp19

I for one believe that the last days or end time started since the first century, the question is do you? Or do you believe it started in 1914?

Thank you

Maximus69:


Please Sir i thought it should be between you and i, NOT between my group and unidentified persons from different groups!

Moreover you said you can't judge people from other religions like Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and co.

But please Sir how do you explain what Jesus said at John 3:16 to these people?

Can they live forever without having faith in Christ Jesus or they will perish?

This is, I think day 6, and this my question still dey wait for answer.

provide biblical and emperical evidence for us all to see your religion was chosen in 1919.

Na Chinese I dey speak?

Thank you

Guys see what Jehovahs witnesses said in 1967, while they were anticipating 1975

When the many factors are put together, we find that our generation, our day is the one that is identified in the Bible as the “last days.” In fact, in this year 1967 we are actually living in the final part of that time! This can be compared to, not just the last day of a week, but, rather, the last part of that last day.
- Watchtower 1967 April 1 pp19

As time permits each day and for as long as I can remain on this forum, I will be giving you guys quotes from watchtower publications each morning before heading to work.