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airmark:
In your whoscored rating, you see VVD was among the top 3 performers in the final. Now, let's check how your Jorginho performed according to whoscored below.

No wonder City said only Kante stopped them in the middle. Jorginho was the 2nd poorest performer for us on the pitch. A big flop in the biggest game of Ucl.

Wow! The almighty unreliable site!

Airmark. You are confused. Take a rest.

Do You wake up and play semi finals in UCL? Is Atletico and Porto small games?

Leyqute:
LoL. Don't twist my words.

I didn't say UCL is 14 games. I said you'll play about 14 games to get to the UCL final.

And if you're in the playoffs, it's more. Ajax played more than 15 games to get to the semi final in 2019.

That's more than enough games to make evaluations on a per 90 basis.

Are we talking of Ajax or Chelsea here? Did Chelsea play 14 games to reach the final?

airmark:
But why is it difficult for you to tell us what Jorginho did in those big games? 😄😄😄😄

Why is it difficult for you to tell us if UCL is only semi and final? Do you just wake up and play semi finals and final?

Leyqute:
That's why I said this



Per 90 stat counts when the difference isn't massive - which is true in this context.

Jorginho played 1031 mins.

Kante played 708 mins.

Difference of 323 mins.

Do you know that 323 mins in football is 3 and half matches? The difference isn't massive.

Leyqute:
You don't have to play more minutes to carry someone along, you only have to be more effective whenever you're on the pitch with them.

And UCL is not a 3 game tournament. To get to the final, you'll play about 14 games. That's almost half of the whole league campaign in Germany. So Per 90 stats count.

Smh.

Ok.

Even say UCL na 14 game tournament

Suddenly ibime no remember Alisson saves in the final, but he remember all Donnaruma PK saves

Agenda can be really funny.

airmark:
Those are the two biggest matches in the tournament, where big players prove themselves.

Now tell me what he did extraordinarily in those matches.

Atletico was a small match abi? Porto was a small match too?

Dey play. Just dey play.

Leyqute:
Present your hypothesis in a per 90 mins format and I'll give you an answer.

Per 90 stat evaluates players based on how long they stay on the pitch, not if they played a match or not.

It gives better accuracy on player evaluations although it's only effective when there isn't a massive difference between number of minutes played- like 200 vs 2000.

Context again.

So if a player played one match or two, you will use his performance against a player that played across the 13 matches of the competition? So he carried the other player just in that 2 matches he played?

Leyqute:
I didn't expect it from him tbh

Understand the context of a discussion before jumping into conclusion.

How can you bring a per 90 metric when we are discussing a player being carried in a tournament? Can a player with lesser minute carry an ever present member of the squad? What does per 90 mins got to do with this? I don't argue ignorantly.

If Kante carried Jorginho, he must have played more minutes. How can you carry someone from the bench or from the hospital bed or from suspension? Imagine being injured and Jorginho is there on the pitch doing his thing and you want to use per 90 to calculate both players contribution over the course of the season?

Dey reason well na.

airmark:
Since you couldn't find any tangible thing Jorginho did in the final, it means he flopped. Now tell us what he did extraordinarily in the Semifinal.

First answer me if it's only semi and final Chelsea played in UCL then I'll tell you the extra ordinary thing he did.

airmark:
😄

Ok let's say your Jorginho flopped in the final, tell us what he did extraordinarily in the Semifinal.

You and who say Jorginho flopped in the final? Does UCL start and end in semi and final?

airmark:
Na to go and look at stats Timbros sabi. He can't remember anything. 😄

Na to only select picture of VVD and falling Spurs player you sabi. When stats dey tell you say na Allison and Mario do the whole work for that final.

airmark:
It's left to you to tell us what Jorginho extraordinarily did in that final, like I did for VVD.

The only extraordinary thing we saw in Liverpool vs Tottenham final is Alisson 8 saves (a record) and Matip 14 interceptions.

Did Jorginho play only final in the UCL?

airmark:
Why was he shipped away to Arsenal and getting benched now at Arsenal?

New owners, new direction.

The clear out will still come in the summer. Jorginho is NOT the only player to be let go from this squad. He happens to be the first.

lordfalcao:
funny thing is jorginho has receipts in both UCL and Euro to prove his inputs..

But the people that carried him, has no receipt

An ever present in the squad is a carry along. Agenda must agend

Ibime:
I don't remember any of those saves, probably minor low risk shots. Nobody has Spurs down as being remotely threatening in that game

How can you remember the saves? You will remember what you want to remember.

Tuchel played Jorginho every single minute from R16 to final and won.

Manchini played Jorginho the complete 7 matches and won.

Maybe these 2 coaches are stupid. They don't know that Jorginho is a liability. Their brain can't tell them to simply bench this guy instead of assigning another player to carry him.

UEFA awarded him best player in Europe. They are stupid. They didn't know that Kante, Pulisic, Verratti, Bellotti was carrying this guy all along.

Make una dey play

As if Donnaruma saves is just for Jorginho alone.

Haven't we seen keepers that make saves in PK shootout and still lost? That Donnaruma make saves doesn't mean they won. His own players have to score their own penalty too.

I love how the carrier of Jorginho have changed from Verratti, Barella, Locatelli to Donnaruma.

Small time it will be Bellotti.

Ibime:
Did Alison save penalty shootout in Semi and Final like Donnaruma while Jogginhoe even missed his penalty?

When was the last time a goal keeper made 8 saves in a UCL final?

Leyqute:
Wait. How can anyone disregard per 90 stats?

If you have more minutes, it means you’ve been on the pitch for longer. Shouldn’t you post better numbers as a result?

It starts from per 90 mins. If you beat the other player per 90 and then overall, you can never be denied your flowers.

Can a player with lesser minutes "carry" a player with more minutes over the cause of a tournament?

Player A played 3 matches and scored a goal in all the matches. 3 matches 3 goals. 100% goal record. (Per 90)

Player B played 6 matches and scored hat trick in 3 matches and blank in 3 matches. 50% goal record. (Per 90)

Who is better?

airmark:
You are always doing Bala Blu up and down, like a frustrated soul.

Van Dijk didn't put any foot wrong in that final and foiled all Kane's moves both in aerial and ground duels throught the duration of the match. He also stopped Son in a goal bound move.

The Uefa technical team even gave VVD, the MOTM to confirm that he performed extraordinarily, unlike Jorginho who Timbros couldn't remember what he did against Madrid and City.

Now, beg MR. Timbros to tell us what Jorginho did extraordinarily, against Madrid and City. 😄

You told us that Donnamura covered Jorginho up because of saves he made, but VVD didn't put a foot wrong when Allison was breaking UCL final records. Be lieing to yourself

airmark:
All hands were on deck to cover up for your weakling in the Midfield, but Donnaruma was the one that did the most.

Nobody with football knowledge and retentive memory would claim that, Jorginho's defensive works made Italy to win that trophy.

You with football knowledge is trying to convince yourself that 10 players put all hands on deck to cover up one single player, but the coach always start that player in all the matches of that tournament. Please make it make sense.

Which is more easier, instructing 10 players to cover up one person or simply benching that one player so that others can face their duties..

lordfalcao:
airmark is not intelligent

He is trying to be clever by half

airmark:
Jorginho will expose your defence to all sorts of attacks, with his poor defensive skills.

That's what Timbros and his Jorginho crew can't remember. Donnaruma was still exposed to shots such that his saves made him the player of the tournament.

I thank God he is with Arsenal now.

So it's not Verratti now, it's Donnaruma that carried Jorginho

Very soon it will be Bellotti

airmark:
You obviously don't understand the reddened phrase in football palance. It means winning the trophy.

In the competition, you can't compare a group match vs Krasnodar, to a Semi final duel with multiple winners, Real Madrid, coached by Ancelotti. You can't compare that with the one against Man city, with arrays of stars

Find time to watch Jorginho in those matches and tell us what he did extraordinarily. Do you want us to reconfirm that your spineless Jorginho is not a big game player like Kante? Don't disappoint Jorginho. 😄

@bolded...That is exactly the match your Pulisic scored against. An inconsequential 4th goal in the 90th minute The Pulisic that delivered UCL for us.

If you didn't gather the needed points in the group, will you qualify for knockout stage? If you didn't win your R16, will qualify for quarter final? If you didn't win your quarter final tie, will you see Madrid to play?

This is Jorginho vs Kante across the whole competition

airmark:
Is this per 90?

At the end of the day there's no difference between you and Lordfalcao.

A month now, you are yet to tell us the extraordinary things Jorginho did in our Semi and final matches. Na wa o.

The ever predictable airmark

This is the very response I expected from you and I am not disappointed

I purposely didn't mention it for you to fall into the trap.

Why will you measure their output per 90? Is it because Kante played lesser minutes compared to Jorginho? Lol. You just made my point for me. How can someone carrying another person play lesser amount of minutes? So who was carrying Jorginho those minutes Kante wasn't on the pitch?

As if you don't know that per 90 favours someone with lesser minutes. Player A played 2 matches and scored one goal in each match, he has 100percent scoring record. Player B played 4 matches and scored hat trick in one match, double in the other but blanked in the remaining matches, how many percent scoring record does he have? 50% ... so does it mean player A is better?

The mere fact that Jorginho played more minutes than Kante showed he contributed more throughout the campaign, at least from the defensive angle. If there is a carrier here, it's Jorginho.

E say na per 90

popizaino:
Post videos like i have done.

Are you trying to say the images I posted are doctored?

The earlier you guys agree that Jorginho had an outstanding 2021, the better for you.

Even if he is a one season wonder, accept the fact that his 2021 was outstanding. No one carried him to any trophy win. No one. He deserved the best player award he won.

Come to the Euros, we keep hearing names of players that "carried" same Jorginho.

Below are their stats for that triumph.

Jorginho vs Verratti
Jorginho vs Barella
Jorginho vs Locatelli

How is Jorginho carried here bikonu?

If I hear anybody tell me say Kante carry Jorginho for our UCL triumph again make I know wetin cause am.

This thread is too toxic. Once an opinion is formed against any body, it will just spread like that. All man will swallow it hook line and sinker.

Hensben Airmark please look at the comparison below and tell me how Kante carried Jorginho in that UCL run please.