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Fynestboi:
Don't you know that if your opponent team Do not show up, it presupposes that such match didn't hold, we do ask you to post your argument to prevent discouragement.... So we are sorry, I tried to get the score from the judges but they failed to send any only one did...

hmmm, discouraging reply on its own. If i need to post my argument then i expect to be rated as well. I personally feel not having an opponent to show up should not put an hold on scoring. All taken in any case.

Fynestboi:
UNIBADAN (Support) VS LASU(Oppose)




Human rights and self expression: is homosexuality to be frowned upon when its based on choice and personal desire? Are punishments the way to go? For and against



5th March 2016
7pm

Olalerey
treasuregr8
Aysuccess99
Thollulope

Timidelaw
Horlapelumi
DEJMAN




Unilorin (Support) Vs Futminna (Oppose)




Effective change Nigeria truly needs: Sole responsibility of the leaders or followers?


28th February 2016
7pm



Tourshaw
Neyoor
Ope4luv KhennieJnr
TopeQs
Djhack1





Unijos(Support) Vs Abu Zaria (Oppose)


The Extinction Of Godfatherism In Contemporary Nigeria Politics" a panacea for an effective leaders.




27th February 2016
7pm




Abuklaw
Catalyst4real
ObiZEAL
Noskyboy

Good day, thanks for the next round preparation. Please team lasu is humbly seeking a total review of the topic couched above for debate. Firstly, the topic is not one which puts up a correct debatable platform, it is more for a paper presentation. Also there are two topics in one debate. In conclusion the topic should be correctly reviewed and portay the correct intent of the drafters to aid clinical delivery.

Fynestboi:
LASU is the winner.

Good day fynestboi, please I can see a trend for best debate of the just concluded round based on score.Unfortunately for team lasu, we did not even get the opportunity of seeing our score. Please relate both sir.

gemale:
Your notion that death penalty serves as a deterrent 4 crime is only plausible to the Uninformed. Research carried out by numerous criminologists & social scientists. http://theconversation.com/theres-no-evidence-that-death-penalty-is-a-deterrent-against-crime-43227
You proffer the death penalty 4 d crime of terrorism. How does it deter terrorism in Nigeria where members of the Bokoharam sect engage in suicide bombings? These are individuals so deeply radicalized and brainwashed that they are ready to die for what they stand for. You are only giving them their desire and making them martyrs in the eyes of their fellow terrorists. Tell me how does it deter them? You prescribed capital punishment for people found guilty of corruption connecting it to murder. If that were to be so, why isn't death penalty prescribed for cases like manslaughter, provocation and temporary insanity? These three lead to the death of individuals and yet those who are found guilty are not given the death penalty. Why prescribe something that obviously does not serve its purpose? D answer is anger and vengeance. That is the reason why you prescribe death penalty. No wonder you are willing to gloss over the tendency of innocent people sometimes paying with their lives. We must learn to distinguish and dissociate these two vices from the virtue of justice. These two vices serve to awkwardly tip the scales of justice out of balance. Use of the death penalty is just attempting to use a quick fix to lasting problems plaguing us instead of brainstorming on lasting solutions. It is cosmetic. Rather than fixating on how to kill criminals, would it not be better to think of ways to prevent the occurrence of crime? Studies have shown lesser frequency of a crime in countries where there is a lesser probability of getting away with that crime than countries with death penalty for that crime. We must evolve beyond the mentality of "an eye for an eye" and focus on what truly benefits us in the long run and death penalty for terrorism and corruption does not.

I must correct that the effect of death penalty on countries is not settled, as even research is inconclusive to that effect, you may choose to do your research better. Please use Nigeria our great country as a case study, please apply the lesser punishment for crimes and let's see the effect. Look at offences with lesser punishments in Nigeria and check the frequency. A better question would be, why is an offence levied with a punishment in the first place? If you claim countries with lesser or no punishment for certain offences are more peaceful.

gemale:
My question goes to the two debaters arguing in favor of the death penalty. You both support it as it spells finality for the convict but several times, it has been discovered long after the occurrence of the crime that the person accused, tried and convicted was actually innocent of the said crime. This may be due to awry circumstantial evidence or flaws in the legal system or maybe simple human error. In a case like this, if the convict has already been executed before the discovery of his or her innocence, how would society be able to correct this injustice? @ horlapelumi, Timidelaw

Great question i must say.

Not in any way being ignorant of the point you aim to put forward. This is the reason for my carefully selected opener in the introduction of my debate, Yet again in the words of one time United States President George Walker Bush my position has been communicatively phrased, “I support the death penalty because I believe, if administered swiftly and justly, capital punishment is a deterrent against future violence and will save other innocent lives." And also in my concluding paragraph, Not in any way should this be exercised with wild abandon. All levels of government, from the Federal, State and local officials must see to it that the implementation rigorously upholds constitutional protections, such as due process and equal protection of the law.

All the above simply arose from an envisaged misapplication of the punishment canvassed today. It is also necessary to debunk the use of the phrase several times, as such only occurs rarely. My supporting speaker has also laid down the proof of criminal offences, which is, to be proven beyond reasonable doubt, unlike the civil cases which is on a balance of probability. This amounts for the reason why the criminal cases takes longer time. It would also be a very rare case as, even after a person is sentenced to death from the high court, there is an allowance for a stay of execution until the case is decided in appeals, court of appeal and supreme court. All this consumes time, and if no prove beyond reasonable doubt the accused is not convicted.

Lastly, if we accept the position of the 0.1% occurrence of such cases then it means we are saying a no to all death penalty offences in the country, the effect of this is simply a geometrical progression recorded growth rate of all sort of offences since the least to be done is imprisonment. Hard to take, sympathy if the senerio painted occurs, but on a long run is not even a reason to look bad for death penalty as a panacea for crime, corruption and terrorism.

LarrySun:
@Timidelaw, thank you for your argument. However, do you agree that a corrupt individual whose action has not led to the death of another should be sentenced to death?

The answer remains yes. Corruption in the context used here, the Nigerian situation has no two answers to that. Meanwhile every corrupt act leads to the death of someone, either directly or indirectly. It can always be traced. From the topic, placing corruption along side Crime and terrorism i believe was intentional and not in any way an error, this proves to the effect that the corruption referred to is not the "small corruption" but those which are of serious effect to both the Nation and Individuals. The sort of Arms deal corruption, the corruption of diverting funds for internally displaced persons to private pocket, the corruption of sharing loot, that of wrecking the countries treasury in the name of election campaign, and its like....

“I don’t think you should support the death penalty to seek revenge. I don’t think that’s right. I think the reason to support the death penalty is because it saves other people’s lives.” - George W. Bush, MBA, 43rd President of the United States, in an Oct. 17, 2000 debate with Al Gore at Washington University, said in response to the question "Do both of you believe that the death penalty actually deters crime?". A good day to the Coordinator, Judges, Fellow talk mates and readers. Yet again in the words of one time United States President George Walker Bush my position has been communicatively phrased, “I support the death penalty because I believe, if administered swiftly and justly, capital punishment is a deterrent against future violence and will save other innocent lives."

In establishing my stand in support for Death penalty, it is important to understand the weight of the words in the topic in question. Death Penalty has been defined as "a sentence of death imposed on a convicted criminal." The Black's Law Dictionary has rightly defined a Crime to be "an act committed or omitted, in violation of a public law, either forbidding or commanding it; a breach or violation of some public right or duty due to a whole community, considered as a community. In its social aggregate capacity, as distinguished from a civil injury." (Wilkins v. U. S.) Corruption, defined as "the act of an official or fiduciary person who unlawfully and wrongfully uses his station or character to procure some benefit for himself or for another person, contrary to duty and the rights of others." (U. S. v. Johnson). On the other hand, The United States Department of Defense defines terrorism as “the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.” All terms defined above are such which if allowed to reign in our society would cause a decay to the system as a whole, and therefore must be addressed with full attention. Why not then other punishments?

Each punishment has the aim it intends to achieve; by virtue of this certain punishments must be levied on certain offences to achieve the desired result. The effect of terrorism in the world today has even made the concept a difficult one to define, groups and bodies have to begin to give it their own definition in other to get rid of the negative vice correctly in their jurisdiction. Crime rate on the other hand has been on an increase in the nation at large or is it corruption which has eaten so deep into the Nigerian state and is known to be the root of underdevelopment, backwardness or stagnancy in the Nigerian situation.

Several reasons accompany my position on death penalty for these offences stated above, one of which is Death Penalty would serve as deterrence to the members of the society at large when it comes to commission of such offences. It would act to checkmate as well as prevent people from committing such offences. With the knowledge of the punishment attached to such offences which gives no second chance, many who may think of attempting such offences would have more reasons to refrain from such acts. Death penalty cannot totally eradicate the commission of the offences in question but will surely bring the frequency to the barest minimum.

Death Penalty is a means of incapacitation or disablement for such offence to be committed again. As a matter of general knowledge, whatsoever punishment other than death penalty gives the offender another opportunity to do same act again. It's just like a terrorist who is given a jail term and is latter released, the terrorist have another opportunity to carry out same terror attack again as opposed to death penalty where the society is totally free from the commission of same offence by same offender. The existence of those who commit these offences in our society after serving back-patting punishments is both giving others the thought and backing to commit same or makes others so uncomfortable living with the knowledge of the fact that the person who has caused them grieve in a terrorist case is still living.

Death Penalty is a punishment of retribution for the offences of crime, corruption and terrorism. Retribution refers to the punishment deserved by an offender; it is the punishment levied by the society against an offender and is a panacea against terrorism, crime and corruption because offenders would be aware that their actions would be followed by an unforgiveable punishment. They would be more fearful of the effect which they will get in same measure of wrong done. Humans have the capacity and capability to do right when they are aware that wrongs would be punished, Ernest Van Den Haag, PhD, late Professor of Jurisprudence at Fordham University, in an Oct. 17, 1983 New York Times Op-Ed article titled "For the Death Penalty, said "…..nothing will deter a criminal more than the fear of death. Death is final. But where there is life there is hope...”. Moral indignation is an appropriate response to inherently wrongful conduct, such as that of crime, corruption and terrorism, while the goal to lower crime through deterrence is worthwhile; lawmakers need to place special emphasis on the moral gravity of offenses in determining the proportionality of punishment therefore death penalty for the offences in question.

In finalization, it is clear prima facie that death penalty for the offences stated save lives. Not in any way should this be exercised with wild abandon. All levels of government, from the Federal, State and local officials must see to it that the implementation rigorously upholds constitutional protections, such as due process and equal protection of the law. With this application am sure we all now have one position which is, death penalty is a panacea for crime, corruption and terrorism.



Law Dictionary: What is CRIME? definition of CRIME (Black's Law Dictionary)
http://prodpquotes.info/prodp/default/view/1627/Presidents-of-the-USA
http://www.terrorism-research.com/
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/D/DeathPenalty.aspx
http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/04/capital-punishment-works-it-deters-crime/
http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000983
Black's Law dictionary, 4th Edition
Okonkwo and Naish: Criminal Law In Nigeria, 2nd Edition.

Present

I have nothing much to say to that. Only physical discussion can bring us to per with our positions.

Neondee

awesome11:
I've gone through your previous posts and it's now understandable why you have such a rigid stance on the argument. However, timidelaw, are you aware we've been conferred with the right to obtain justice? At least, that is one of the human rights you should be familiar with. Do you mean the cost of obtaining justice is free?

My point remains "Not every right is free" and "Education is a right and not a privilege" should not be erroneously interpreted as "Free education is a right, and not a privilege"!!!

What saith thou?

Nice one sir. You are bent to proof this. I'll simply give you same assignment to get the difference between rights and privileges as independent words. And by that i guess you'll be cleared.

The words are so synonymous that only the fact that one is 'inherent' and the other is conferred on or can be withdrawn is the difference. They are even used interchangeably, but the explanation given above clears the difference.

Search engine giants would only leave it at the surface for you. But the difference would be seen with better research. Too bad Education is one of those privilege rights so to say.

awesome11:
The embolded says it all. It remains a right, whatever disguise it shields itself!.

Search engine giants, Wikipedia defines Rights as "legal, social, ethical, or fundamental normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people, according to some legal system, social convention or ethical theory"

Oh, thanks. Thought have gone foul of the rules.

Well, my position is known already. I won't fail to say kudos to the debaters of today, great write-up from them all.

Am so sorry, just getting to know that the floor is not yet open to the audience. Judges comment still on. Pardon

However, who is awesome11 please? A judge, because it's his comment that misled me to think the floor is now open.

A right has defined by the Black's Law Dcitionary (not quote but in explanation) as that which is inherent, i.e it is part of a person, without which a person cannot survive. They are so essential thet they are not needed to specially be stated again, but for justice sake (rule of law) are stated in laws. Rights are stated and established by the United nations Laws due to the importance. African Charter on Humans and Peoples' Right also states it (in its' Order 1 Rule 2 or 3 if am not wrong) and even our constitution states them in Chapter IV. They are 100% free. Example S.33 (Right to life). You pay no dine for your existence/to live in Nigeria.

awesome11:
Then, what is a right?

As correctly posited by one of the debaters. chapter II of the Nigerian Constitution 1999 correctly and adequately addresses that. Such falls under socio-economic rights which are non-justiciable and therefore non-enforceable. So the example of Petroleum cannot stand. Thank you for being correctly guided.

permit me to correct that position. Thats no right.

awesome11:
Nigerians are inherently empowered with the right to have petroleum products readily available for their daily needs but it does not come free. There's a price for it!!

luxanne:
An interesting topic this was. However, its sad seeing that the Funaab participants had little to offer even after being long notified about this contest, isn't this response part of what the topic is addressing? Self-development?

Permit me to say that the word quintessential aptly describes the LASU participants (Timidelaw & Horlapelumi) right here.

Well done guys for putting your hearts into this.

Thanks alot

emaculate99:
Timidelaw, we have different kinds of students. Some students can learn on their own without any institution to guide them while some cannot. Are you trying to tell me that those students who cannot learn on their own without the help of institution can become quintessential graduate?

No. They cannot because, its your effort that makes you a quintessential graduate in Nigeria

asanwaph:
My question goes to timidlaw. If you are saying that the quintessential graduate is a product of self development, why then do we have list of top Nigerian universities and not the list of top Nigerian student? Why did you choose to attend unilag instead being at home and get your certificate at the end of the day?

OK, Thanks for the question. In my main arguement, the question have been answered. However, the inst is meant to be a place to make or produce quintessential graduates, but have failed. We have universities rated in the other of the extent to which they have failed to meet to the standard. That's the list produced. A platform is always needed to produce a graduate, and our institutions have done that. Just that as have stated earlier, the university have failed and cannot produce a quintessential graduate. Also I attend the institution with the hope to get knowledge. But at the end of it all, I do more of the work. That's only how a quintessential graduate can be made.

Who goes first?

Thanks Fynestboi for going according to the rules laid down. Reading the excuse from my most respected defending champoins I lack words to say. We presented our reps a bit late due to the inavailability of team members also, but we know "pacta sunt servanda"- agreements must be kept, and so we complied. Please let the rules be.

Thanks Fynestboi for going according to the rules laid down. Reading the excuse from my most respected defending champoins I lack words to say. We presented our reps a bit late due to the inavailability of team members also, but we know "pacta sunt servanda"- agreements must be respected, and so we complied. Please let the rules be.

Team Lasu with a little adjustment. Reps, - Timidelaw and Horlapelumi

Fynestboi:
OK noted...




FUNAAB rep which way na?

Lasu rep for 26th, Timidelaw and Iamdejman

Name: Timidelaw
Institutution: Lagos State University, Ojo (LASU)
Course: Law
Email: timilehinojo76@yahoo.com

Timidelaw.... I rep Lasu