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kingyakos:
You are wrong.
Is the devil not also a spirit, is the devil not a pervertor of the things of God, didn't the scripture says that they will even look like God that if possible will deceived the very elect.
Any speaking in tongues that ain't come with an interpreter is not of God, it's a familiar spirit from the devil.

I'm talking about born again Christian here nd the Bible made it so clear that it's a sign of those that believe in the Lord Jesus Christ nd have received the holy ghost.
Yes, anything original there will definitely be fake, but does it mean speaking in tongues is fake?
Gladly answer with sincerity of heart

bammo:
You are accusing the OP of things he did not say or imply. The problem here is that, you have already formed an opinion of him based on mere sentiment.
The OP has raised fair questions which shows that he is concerned for the future of the church. Why don't you examine the questions and try to come up with a more cogent response.

I'm being sincere with you here
Speaking in tongues is not an issue for born again Christian. If u start having issues with speaking in tongues, then check ur salvation very well.

Apart from when the holy ghost came down in d day in the book of Acts, that was the only time pple heard them speaking in their language bcuz they needed to be saved.
Check carefully, all through the book of Acts where pple heard them speak in their native language when they spoke in tongues.

Maynmann:
Which can be interpreted into human language. They spoke in another language other than their native language just like in pentecost, when other people that weren’t filled with “holy spirit” was able to understand it in their native language

The Bible says he that speaks in an unknown tongues speaks to God, not men... No man understands him howbeit in the spirit he speaks mystery.
If it's tongues the holy spirit gives, u can't understand it.
U cannot understand speaking in tongues, the person is speaking in mystery to God. God hears wat he is saying.

Maynmann:
“New tongues” means they spoke in language other than their native language.

New tongues means speaking in tongues.

OnknownSoldier:
Well, it is God that can decide if my salvation is real or not but I sincerely appreciate your response.

However, I expected that you answer my questions with biblical reference(s) rather than you questioning my salvation.

Do u believe in Jesus Christ?
The Bible says these signs shall follow them that believe "they shall speak with new tongues".
If u are born again Christian, u should receive the holy ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues.

The Bible says "He that speaks in an unknown tongues speaks to God and not men.

That u don't speak in tongues doesn't make it fake or bad, don't hate on born again Christian who do. They received the word of God with gladness of heart.
That u choose not to receive it is nobody's fault.

jesusjnr2020:
The truth is that most tongues being spoken in the churches these days are fake so nothing new there.

There might be some genuine tongues being spoken on some of those songs you spoke about if it was truly the Holy Spirit that gave the utterances but that rarely happens.

That's one area the church needs revival today.

God bless.

How do u know they are fake?
Where you standing with the d holy ghost when he gave them to know which is fake?
Just bcuz don't like or believe in something doesn't mean it's fake.
Remember, u choose wat u want to believe in the Bible.

The Bible clearly stated these signs shall follow them that believe " they shall speak in new tongues" ,but it's still by choice. It's a gift of the holy ghost, but u receive gift by choice.

kingyakos:
If their speaking in tongues didn't come with any interpretation like the scripture stated it clear it means it not of God, it's of the devil and the children of God shouldn't dance or get inspired by such social gospel song or the musician itself.

No, u are wrong.
The evidence of you having the holy spirit in u is speaking in tongues.

The Bible says these signs shall follow them that believe " they shall speak with new tongues".
It shows that u believe nd u are fill with the holy ghost.

OnknownSoldier:
If you are conversant with the modern-day gospel music industry, you would have noticed a sudden surge of unknown tongues in many gospel songs from gospel artists of mostly black descent. This sudden development in my opinion is worthy of serious interrogation as the Bible says that we should test all spirits so as know which is of God [1 John 4:1].

The gospel songs I knew while growing up emphasized godly living using language(s) that can be understood. The hymns for example are written in plain language(s) and one can attest to the fact that those songs are divinely inspired and spirit-filled. Meanwhile, the present crops of gospel music raving the moment are mostly incorporated with unknown tongues and spiritual chants that can not be understood by anyone and yet we have not found a single interpreter to interpret the tongues in these popular songs. I believe that in itself negates the fundamental injunction stated by Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:27.

I have been to megachurches in several regions of Nigeria where I have heard worship leaders repeating the same tongues in these popular gospel records verbatim and I get confused each time. Damn! Something is wrong somewhere. It's almost impossible to hear a gospel record these days without hearing an unknown tongue in it. Could that be the latest marketing strategy to sell gospel records?

Yes! I believe in tongues but I also believe that not all spirit-filled Christians must speak in tongues. Some operate in other gifts like prophecy, Discernment, word of knowledge, words of wisdom, walking of miracles e.t.c [1 Corinthians 12:4-11]. it is the spirit that distributes these gifts but I wonder while the present church places much emphasis on tongues. Well, maybe that's because tongues are the easiest to fake. Maybe I said.

Now to my honest questions:

1. If speaking in tongues only edifies the one who speaks it and not the body of Christ as it is in 1 Corinthians 14:4, why will any gospel musician incorporate an unknown tongue in his or her song lyrics for the body of Christ?

2. Where exactly is it written in the Bible that Christians should sing in tongues? Is there anywhere in the Bible the Apostles did? I know pentecostal christians will mention 1 Corinthians 14:15 but is that what Apostle Paul was really saying in that passage?

3. Why were the ancient gospel songs not incorporated with unknown tongues as we have now? Could it be that modern Christian worship has been hijacked by strange spirits?

Above are my reservations about the sudden proliferation of unknown tongues in modern gospel music. I will appreciate answers with biblical reference(s) to my questions in the comment section.

Thanks!

Don't deceive urself.
U do not speak in tongues nd u don't believe in speaking in tongues.

If u could come out to talk against God's word this way, I think ur salvation is under maybe.

U can't be born again Christian nd speak against speaking in tongues. It's not possible for light to speak against light.

Check the Acts of apostle to see how the holy ghost came upon every born again Christian there nd those that believe without the holy ghost received it with ease .

SugarGirl44:
Crime has a tribe abeg and it is ibo.
A typical ibo is never straightforward.
They just can't do things the right way.
It's in their DNA and unlike other tribes, their own parents support and encourage them to go into crime.
There's no ibo that doesn't have a family member in one prison or the other around the world.
Go and verify.

Then go nd check how Benin parents encourage their children to go into internet fraud.
Check out Benin city , Sapele nd every other state capital in Nigeria to see how internet fraud has eatin deep into the society.
Fraud is fraud , be it internet fraud or drugs.
It's a society iss, not tribes.

Peterobiisathie:
but why majority of crimes committed outside Nigeria are always Ibos? Na only una?

Then it depends on ur definition of Crime.
Crime is crime anywhere in d world, the way drug crime is a crime is d same way internet fraud is a crime.
It has nothing to do with tribes.
Go online nd see that Nigerians are learners when it's come to internet fraud.

Peterobiisathie:
they are the only tribe that go to another man's land to commit crimes just like Fulani herdsmen

U pple need to leave tribes out of crimes. Crime has no tribe.
Anybody from any tribe can be a criminal.

Peacecore:
I'm telling you.I wish that Madrid will come again. Man City this season is different from Man City of last season. Madrid go bleed for nose.

I just dey laff Madrid fans, Ancelotti himself fear Man City pass any other team for Europe. He knew they won by luck.

angelfallz:
that does not change the fact that we played better in the 2nd half.

No be una fault na, we for beat Una 10 - 2 for Una to know how e dey be for body.
When una beat Saints 9 - 1 last season, Una dey shout, but Pep didn't want to humiliate Una. Assuming we rush the second half like d first half una for hear am.

angelfallz:
Of course the game was lost already but we played better and reduced the score.

After Pep changed 5 players for u guys.
Do u think if it's Liverpool, it won't be up to 8 goals?
Pep has stopped humiliating teams like that. Once it's 4 goals, they stopped playing for goals.

caprini1:
Football is not boxing that is scored by performance,but by goals.....Arsenal played ,but Man U won...do you think if ManU played with precision and took their chances ,Man City would have won yesterday?

Madrid didnt win 14 UCL,s by dribbling everybody like Bernado Silva.

If Man Utd played with precision nd took their chances with Man City, it would have ended 10- 4 yesterday.
Pep had to removed 5 players bcuz he needed them for more important games ahead.
Plz, don't compare Arsenal nd any other team with Man City in d premier League, City is way ahead of them all

angelfallz:
Manchester United would bounce back. This match was a good learning experience. Manchester City is the best team in the Premier League, and it showed today. Manchester United have a lot to do to reach Manchester City's level. It would take time. I'm glad the second half was better. At least we reduced the deficit.

U pple should stop talking about the second half, the game was gone already.
Do u want Man City to play d same way dey did in d first half? That would have been a disaster for Man Utd

caprini1:
This Man City team is good in England ,if dem jam better experienced European team like Real Madrid,dem go chop am again.

I think u didn't watched d match last season
Real Madrid won by luck last season which can happen to any team. They equalised on the 89 minutes or so, if Grealish had scored d goal nko.

This is a new season, we are waiting for the said Real Madrid.
Go nd ask Ancelotti, he feared Man City than any other team in Europe, he even said that repeatedly.

Prayer is not a ask him thing to God, but it's a communion with God. It's a relationship thing between u nd God.

The least aspects of prayer is d part we are used to in this part of d world which is asking God for things.
One of the most important part of prayer is that of Thanksgiving, which is d Will of God.

As much as prayer is spiritual, u have to put ur mind in it.
The Bible says d flesh is weak, but the spirit is willing. If u do not start or open ur mouth ,u won't pray.
It's a discipline thing, it's not easy, but it's God's commandment. " Men ought to pray nd not give up".

If u can discipline urself not to be late to work everyday, then u can discipline urself to pray.

DominionGreat:
My prayer life is terrible.. I'll want to pray but it won't feel like praying and then i force myself to pray and while on it my mind begin to wonder far thinking other stuffs and I'll lost concentration...

I truly need help and grace

It's like that for everyone.
U have to bring ur mind back to the prayer nd try to repeat wat u are praying about so as not to forget.
It is a war, but u need to be tough nd bring ur mind back to the prayer.
It's a distraction from the devil.
There's a place of God's grace, but there is also work for u to do by bringing ur mind back.

PandoraObi:
Don't get it wrong, there is no sin GOD cannot pardon, sin against the Holy spirit is a sin of deception of oneself, example is Ananias and Sapphire, they deceived themselves, they died instantly, the bible says she that lives in pleasure is death when she is alive, that blasphemy against the holy spirit exactly but self-deception

No
Please go back nd read it carefully in book of Acts.
They were killed by the Holy Spirit himself. Ananias lied about his property he sold which was not an issue, but the issue was saying he sold it for specific amount. The property was his, he sold for a price nd can easily bring any amount to the Apostles as wat he was willing to give, but not telling a lie.

The Apostle said why would he do this nd lied against the Holy Spirit.
They thought they could deceived the Holy Spirit, but they have forgotten that the Holy Spirit is God Himself.

Citizens... If u see me drive by, Haaland @ ur boy.

The guy is a big cheat with KDB

Kobojunkie:
1. I think you should read the story again, this time making sure to abandon all previous notions of things.
Recall that God promised the righteous eternal life and that they would be resurrected at the end when Jesus Christ returns to rule over Israel. And according to Jesus Christ, those who belong to Him are asleep in their graves. But here we have instead Abraham wide awake and alert to the goings on in the underworld, having conversations with even those damned by God to perish in the grave, why?

The Righteous saints of old are not in the graves asleep, they have resurrected already. They are in heaven already, d death nd resurrection of Jesus has made it happen.
Matt 27 Vs 51-53 already dealt with that. They have risen with Christ already.

Until u know that man is a spirit being nd spirit don't die. That's d reason hell nd heaven is there, there's no middle ground either u go to heaven or hell.

Before Jesus resurrection, they couldn't go to heaven so they have to stay in Abraham bossom till salvation come.

Kobojunkie:
1. Abraham's bossom exists for those of God's Old Covenant and is here on this earth. However, As taught by Jesus Christ, Hell(Eternal damnation) exists instead in the Kingdom of God where Jesus Christ rules -

2. The story of Lazarus and the rich man was a Parable and was not meant to be interpreted literally. Hell for the Old Covenant folks was a place where souls went to perish, whereas paradise was a place where souls slept awaiting the resurrection as promised them by God. All of this, again, of God's Old Covenant Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

3. In Jesus Christ, however, Heaven(True Life) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) both exist in the Kingdom of God where Jesus Christ rules over as King over Heaven and King over Hell - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46

Then go back nd read it for urself.

The story of Lazarus nd the rich wicked man is not a parable, but a true life story.
The rich wicked man begged father Abraham to help him send somebody to the earth to warn his family about eternal damnation, so u see that it's not a parable.

Secondly, hell nd Abraham bossom or paradise are not in heaven. When Jesus died , he went down to hell. So hell is beneath.
There's a big diff between hell nd lake of fire... In the last day, death nd hell shall be cast into the lake of fire. So there are two diff things entirely. Read d book of Revelation urself to know the diff.

Kobojunkie:
Sure, I would also like to believe that all should get a chance at hearing the Gospel, but God is also a Faithful God and He would never bend His Law in any way to fulfill that. And as stated by God's Law, except a man be born-again - born of water and of spirit - he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8.

Hearing the gospel nd being born again are two diff issues.
Gospel must be preached nd everyone must hear it as a witness doesn't mean they will accept the gospel.
It is only those who accepted the gospel that can be born again, u must know the diff here.

God will not force being born again on anyone, but he will give u d chance to hear the gospel of salvation.

Kobojunkie:
The statement in bold is not true at all. I don't know where you got it from but I suggest you discard it in the trash where it belongs.

2. For all unbelievers... from dust, you(mind, body, and soul) were made and to dust, you(mind, body, and soul) shall return ... remains God's judgment since the time of Adam and Eve - Genesis 3 vs 19

3. God will not force his choice on you and He will also not change His mind regarding His Law either. According to Jesus Christ, except a man is born-again, He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. So how can a one who is dead be born-again after death?

Matt 27 Vs 51-53 talked about the earthquake that happened at His death nd many saints of old rose nd went into the city, appeared to many after Jesus resurrection.

At Jesus death, many bodies of saints of old rose, nd at His resurrection, they came out of their graves nd appear to many.

In other words, Father Abraham, Daniel, David, Prophet Isaiah, Joshua, Caleb nd so many others came out of their graves nd appear to many in the city.

The same way Jesus appeared to His disciples nd many others, same way saints of old appeared to many pple in the city.

The question now is that... Why were they kept in Abraham bossom or paradise after death, but not heaven?
Bcuz the word of God can't contradict itself... Except a man be born again,he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. The gospel needed to be preached to them as well.
Jesus Christ preached the gospel to them in Abraham bossom as well after resurrection, that was the reason they could resurrect nd seen by many in the city.

The exception here are fees which God took to heaven Himself like Enoch, Elijah, Moses nd maybe some other that the Bible recorded that God took.

Don't let anybody put things in ur head about the gospel, study to show urself approve. Study d word of God for urself.

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! For all unbelievers... from dust, you(mind, body, and soul) were made and to dust, you(mind, body, and soul) shall return ... remains God's judgment since the time of Adam and Eve - Genesis 3 vs 19

God is a Righteous God. He will definitely give everyone equal opportunity to hear the gospel.

For the Bible to say the gospel must be preached throughout the world as a witness shows that there won't be any excuse of not hearing the gospel from anyone.

Believing the gospel or not is a choice that everyone has to take.

God is a Righteous Judge... The gospel is for everyone to hear

Kobojunkie:
Paradise is Not Heaven... Heaven is not paradise.

That Jesus Christ was in the grave for 3 days, does not then mean Jesus Christ went there to break His own Law which insists that except a man be born-again, He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 v 3 - 8. And again, the statement in bold is wrong!

I think u have problem with words.
I said Jesus went to Abraham bossom which is paradise which is not heaven in the first place.

Abraham bossom or paradise is beneath not far from hell. If u read the case of the rich wicked man nd poor Lazarus, u will noticed that the rich wicked man in hell was speaking to Abraham about the Lazarus to send him nd bring water for him in hell.

Heaven is above, Jesus Christ went to heaven with His blood first

Decent09:
What of those that live before the birth of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is only the way, the light to the Creator of Heaven and the Earth during his time, before his time, God in his infinite Mercies have sent many Prophets of which during their time, they are The Way, The Light, you can't reach Heaven except through them.

Finally, after the Prophetship of Jesus, the Son of Mary, God in his infinite Mercies and Blessings He sent His last and Beloved Prophet, Prophet Muhammad (May Peace and Blessings be Upon Him).

So we Muslims, we are the Rightful Followers of Jesus (Peace be Upon Him), and we also believed in his coming back, The Holy Qur'an talk explicitly on Prophet Jesus.

I recommend you guys to read more about Holy Qur'an, Qur'an talk more about Jesus Christ than the revised and revised Bible.

I don't need to read any other, I have the holy Bible already.

The fate of those that died before Christ Jesus , that made it to Abraham bossom or paradise, Christ will be preached to them. Acceptance is now a thing of choice.

Remember , man is a spirit being. So if a man reject salvation, even if he dies, his spirit being will still reject salvation.

Every Prophet before Jesus Christ nd righteous pple went to Abraham bossom or paradise.
If u read the Bible very well, u will understand the situation of the rich wicked man nd righteous Lazarus that carried wound, the rich man saw him in Abraham bossom.

When Jesus resurrected, he went to Abraham bossom or paradise.
The Bible say he led captivity captives. Saints of old resurrected nd were seen by pple then.
Abraham, David, Daniel nd all the righteous pple of old were seen.

Lastly, personally I don't argue about religion, but wat I know is that there is no salvation in any other except Jesus Christ.

"For with the heart man believes unto righteousness nd with the mouth confession is made unto salvation".

Jesus is the way!

shantti:
What will happen to those in paradise who refused to accept the gospel when Jesus preached to them

The same thing that will happen to pple that refused the gospel.
Remember, there is no salvation in any other except Jesus.
So it's a thing of choice.

Decent09:
What of those that live before the birth of Jesus Christ

Kindly read the Bible
U will see that the righteous pple that lived before Christ went to Abraham bossom or paradise.
When Christ died ,he already went to Abraham bossom to preach the gospel to them, so that end is settled already.

Nature33:
what abt d kindhearted or good once. who died b4 d birth of Jesus Christ.

The gospel will still be preach to them.

Remember when Jesus resurrected from the death, he went to Abraham bossom which paradise to preach the gospel to the fathers of faith..dem Abraham nd co.

For those that died before Christ, the gospel will still be preach to them.
But one thing u must know is that it's a thing of choice, some people will still not accept the gospel.

God created human being as a being of choice, u choose wat u wan bcuz it's ur right to choose.
God will never enforce anything on anybody.

pappilo:
But its an easier path. You for sure know that a man born a Buddhist in a majority Buddhist country has almost zero chance of going to Christian heaven.

No
God will definitely give everybody equal chance to hear the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Salvation is by choice, hearing d gospel doesn't mean u will accept it.

Remember not until the gospel is preached around the world as a witness, Rapture won't happen.
Everybody will definitely hear d gospel, but it's now a thing of choice to accept it or not to.