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Christianity Etc › Re: The Mistakes Of Constantine That Birthed The Trinity Doctrine, Paganism With Chr by tomakint(op): 2:36am On Mar 21, 2022
The trinity doctrine teaches that God the Father, the Son and the Holyspirit are equal and one and the same God.
Although a very popular and widely accepted doctrine among christains the trinity doctrine is unbiblical and not in accordance with the word of God. The word Trinity does not appear in the Bible neither was such doctrine taught by the Apostles or known to the early Christains.
The trinity doctrine was instituted by men at the Council of Nicaea in AD325 and at Council of Constantinople in AD381.
The trinity doctrine has it's origin in pagan Sun god worship that was started by Nimrod and his wife.

Who is God and Jesus?
The Bible is clear on the identity of God and his Son, Jesus they are 2 different beings or persons
Although one in unity and purpose, their relationship is that of father and Son.
The Apostles always identified God as the father who has neither beginning or end ,who alone has immortality,all power and authority they also identified and distinguished Jesus as the only begotten Son of God and not God the Father himself here is an example.
2John1:3 Grace be with you, mercy and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
The identity of Jesus was well known to the discples of Jesus
Peter in Matt 16:16,Martha the sister of Lazarus, the Centurion man,the high priest and many others including the Demons all identified Jesus as the son of God (remember Demons are fallen Angels)matthew8:29.
It is important that we understand who Jesus is, as Jesus himself was interested in knowing whom people said he was. Luke 9:18

All through the Bible the personality of God and Jesus has been established and clearly stated.
It will be illogical for Jesus while he was on Earth to teach that he was sent by his father if he himself was the father.
The question is who sent Jesus?
who did Jesus pray to when he was on the cross or when he raised Lazarus from the grave?Who was Jesus pleading to to take away the cup? John 12:27
Whose will was Jesus referring to when he said father not my will but yours, mark 14:36
The evidence shows that Jesus was not the Father acting as the Son here on Earth but was the Son of God sent by God to the Earth to die as a ransom for man,John 6:38

Jesus, Son of God

The trinity doctrine teaches a 3in 1 god, that there are 3 but equal gods.
It denies the word of God that says Jesus is the BEGOTTEN Son of God. the same way a biological father proceeds his son so also God the Father proceeds his son, Jesus Christ.
The Bible refers to Jesus as the first born of all creations Colossians 1:15,proverbs 8:22-end,Rev 3:14.
Jesus was brought into existence at a certain time by his father before the World was created. Acts 13:33, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

John5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; so it was God that gave Jesus life and not Jesus having his own life independently as claimed by trinitarians.
here are Jesus own words on his origin and existence.
Proverbs 8:22.
Unlike the Angels and other created beings who were made by the hand of God, Jesus proceeded or came out from his father John 8:42,16:27&28,17:8
He had the very nature , image and substance of his father, God. which no other created being has. Hebrews 1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Note: Angels are sons of God by creation,born again Christains are sons of God by adoption (Romans 8:14-15) but Jesus Christ is the Son of God by inheritance Heb 1:4,

Are they Equal?

The trinity teaches that Jesus and the Holyspirit are co-equal with God but the Bible is abundantly clear that the son is not Co-equal with God.
No where in the Bible did Jesus ever call himself God or equate himself to the father rather he reiterated the fact that he was sent by the father to do the will of the father and that the one who sends another is greater than the one sent.John13:16-20.
John 17:13, Matthew 10:40,John 10:18.
Rather than claim equality with God as fasely taught by the trinity doctrine Jesus declares that his father is greater than him in John 14:28,he also calls his father his God Matt 27:46,John 20:17, here are some other verses to clearify this point
1Corinthains11:3,Colossians 1:14-19,John 5:19-47,John 5:19 & 5:20,John 5:27, Isaiah 53:11,Isaiah 42:1,Isaiah 49:7 Luke 24:19,
Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the form of God(nature of God, of cos he was born by God so he will bear God's nature), thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men :2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name.

God Honours his Son.

After the ressurection and Ascension of Jesus to Heaven God exalted Jesus and gave him a name above every other name Philippians 2:9.
It will be illogical for God to exalts and give power and authority to Jesus if he was co- equal with God and already had those privileges.Ephesians 1:20-23, Mark 12:36.
The Bible also teaches that at the end of the great controversy between good and evil when all power and principalities have been subdued for the sake of Jesus. Than Jesus will subject all things including himself to God 1Corinthians 15:28.

Who is the Holyspirit.

The Holyspirit is not a person or being as taught by the trinitarians but the the Holyspirit is the spirit of God and his Son Jesus, Ephesians 4:30, 1Thessalonians 4:8,God is a spirit who has a spirit which is his mind,will,purpose,power, and presence Genesis 1:2, Zachariah 4:6, 1peter 1:1.
It is this spirit that God sends to us that dwells in us and enables us to do his will,Romans 8:9&11, 1john4:13, Isaiah 63:11, 1Corinthains 3:16, 1 Corinthians 12:8-11,John 7:39,14:17, Ezeikel 36:27.
Just as we showed earlier that Jesus did nothing of his own will or desire but that of his father so also the Holy spirit can only speak and show what it is instructed to say . This is evidence that it is not a being Co-equal with God that has it's own power and will.
There are few verses that have been taken out of context and are used by the trinitarians to promote their false doctrines
E.g is that the Bible refers to the Holy spirit as HE this does not prove anything because there are examples in the Bible where non- living things are personified or expressed with words like he or his examples are in proverbs 1:20,7:4,8:1,9:1where wisdom and knowledge are reffered to as he,his,she this also applies to the Holy spirit.
The Holy Spirit is likened to a gift
In Luke 11:13,God pours out his Holy spirit Acts 2:18.
The identity and function of the Holy Spirit will be treated in subsequent articles.

Implications of the Trinity doctrine.

This doctrine has severe implications and consequences as it teaches that Jesus is not the literal Son of God,that Jesus is the same age as the father and has always existed along side him but this will make them twins and not a real Father and Son it also teaches that the holyspirit is a being Co-equal and co-eternal making them triplets.

Thus the trinity doctrine denies that both the father and son are two different persons thus it denies their personality or persons.

Apostle Paul taught Christains that the Antichrist is anyone or teaching that denies Jesus is the son of God and thus denies the father and son 1John2:22-23,1john 4:3
It distorts who God says he is.
The doctrine of trinity also lends credance or promotes the Catholic teaching that Mary is the mother of God since it claims Jesus is God and Co-equal to God. It is not surprising that this trinity doctrine was instituted by the usual suspects the Catholic Church and they claim it is the foundation on which all other of there teachings is based on.

Note:The angel that delivered the message to Virgin Mary told her that the child will be called( the Son of God) and not God. Nothing stops God from describing Jesus as God or his twin or avatar, rather he used the adjective SON of God to distinguish him from the Father.

Conclusion.
The trinity doctrine cannot be proved in the Bible neither does it have any divine origin or inspiration.
It is one of those man made doctrines that have crept into Christaintity. it is unacceptable to God and contracdicts God's word about himself.
A lot of lies have been sold to us as Bible doctrines which are not Biblical, I urge the readers to do more research on this topic and to diligently search the word of God 2 Timothy 2:15, just like Paul said that we should prove all things through the scripture, rightfully dividing the word of God and not depending on men or some few Bible verses that have been lifted out of context inorder to suit a preconcieved belief or idea.1Thessalonians 5:21

Thank you.

- blueAgent
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by tomakint: 2:32am On Mar 21, 2022
blueAgent:
The trinity doctrine teaches that God the Father, the Son and the Holyspirit are equal and one and the same God.
   Although a very popular and widely accepted doctrine among christains the trinity doctrine is unbiblical and not in accordance with the word of God. The word Trinity does not appear in the Bible neither was such doctrine taught by the Apostles or known to the early Christains.
The trinity doctrine was instituted by men at the Council of Nicaea in AD325 and at Council of Constantinople in AD381.
The trinity doctrine has it's origin in pagan Sun god worship that was started by Nimrod and his wife.

Who is God and Jesus?
The Bible is clear on the identity of God and his Son, Jesus they are 2 different beings or persons
Although one in unity and purpose, their relationship is that of father and Son.
The Apostles always identified God as the father who has neither beginning or end ,who alone has immortality,all power and authority  they also identified and distinguished  Jesus as the only begotten Son of God  and not God the Father himself here is an  example.
2John1:3  Grace be with you, mercy and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
The identity of Jesus was well known to the discples of Jesus
Peter  in Matt 16:16,Martha the sister of  Lazarus, the  Centurion man,the high priest and many others  including the   Demons all identified Jesus as the son of God (remember Demons are fallen Angels)matthew8:29.
It is important that we understand who Jesus is, as  Jesus himself was interested in knowing whom people said he was. Luke 9:18

All through the Bible the personality of God and Jesus has been established and clearly stated.
It will be illogical for Jesus while he was on Earth to teach that he was sent by his father if  he himself was the father.
The question is who sent Jesus?
who did Jesus pray to when he was on the cross or when he raised Lazarus from the grave?Who was Jesus pleading to  to take away the cup? John 12:27
Whose will was Jesus referring to when he said father not my will but yours, mark 14:36
The evidence shows that Jesus was not the Father acting as the Son here on Earth but was the Son of God sent by God to the Earth to die as a ransom for man,John 6:38

Jesus, Son of God

The trinity doctrine teaches a 3in 1 god, that there are 3 but equal gods.
It denies the word of God that says Jesus is the BEGOTTEN Son of God. the same way a biological father proceeds his son so also God the Father proceeds his son, Jesus  Christ.
The Bible refers to Jesus as the first born of all creations Colossians 1:15,proverbs 8:22-end,Rev 3:14.
Jesus was brought into existence  at a certain time by his father before the World was created. Acts 13:33, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

John5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; so it was God that gave Jesus life and not Jesus having his own life independently as claimed by trinitarians.
here are Jesus own words on his origin and existence.
Proverbs 8:22.
Unlike the Angels and other created beings who were made by the hand of  God, Jesus proceeded or came out  from his father John 8:42,16:27&28,17:8
He had the very nature , image and substance of his father, God. which no other created being has. Hebrews 1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?  1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Note: Angels are sons of God by creation,born again Christains are sons of God by adoption (Romans 8:14-15) but Jesus Christ is the Son of God by inheritance Heb 1:4,

Are they Equal?

The trinity teaches that Jesus and the Holyspirit are co-equal with God but the Bible is abundantly clear that the son is not Co-equal with God.
No where in the Bible did Jesus  ever call himself God or equate himself to the father rather he reiterated the fact that he was sent by the father to do the will of the father and that the one who sends another is greater than the one sent.John13:16-20.
John 17:13, Matthew 10:40,John 10:18.
Rather than claim equality with God as fasely  taught by the trinity doctrine Jesus declares that his father is greater than him in John 14:28,he also calls his father his God Matt 27:46,John 20:17, here are some other verses to clearify this point
1Corinthains11:3,Colossians 1:14-19,John 5:19-47,John 5:19 & 5:20,John 5:27, Isaiah 53:11,Isaiah 42:1,Isaiah 49:7 Luke 24:19,
Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the form of God(nature of God, of cos he was born by God so he will bear God's nature), thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men :2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name.

God Honours his Son.

After the ressurection and Ascension of Jesus to Heaven  God exalted Jesus and gave him a name above every other name Philippians 2:9.
It will be illogical for God to exalts and give power and authority to Jesus if he was co- equal with God and already had those privileges.Ephesians 1:20-23, Mark 12:36.
The Bible also teaches that at the end of the great controversy between good and evil when all power and principalities have been subdued for the sake of Jesus. Than Jesus will subject all things including himself to God 1Corinthians 15:28.

Who is the Holyspirit.

The Holyspirit is not a person or being as taught by the trinitarians but the the Holyspirit is the spirit of God and his Son Jesus, Ephesians 4:30, 1Thessalonians 4:8,God is a spirit who has a spirit which is his  mind,will,purpose,power,  and presence Genesis 1:2, Zachariah 4:6, 1peter 1:1.
It is this spirit  that God sends to us that dwells in us and enables us to do his will,Romans 8:9&11, 1john4:13, Isaiah 63:11, 1Corinthains 3:16, 1 Corinthians 12:8-11,John 7:39,14:17, Ezeikel 36:27.
Just as we showed earlier that Jesus did nothing of his own will or desire but that of his father so also the Holy spirit can only speak and show what it is instructed to say . This is evidence that it is not a being Co-equal with God that has it's own power and will.
There are few verses  that have been taken out of context and are used by  the trinitarians to promote their false doctrines
E.g is that the Bible refers to the Holy spirit as HE this does not prove  anything because  there are examples in the Bible where non- living things are personified or expressed with words like he or his examples are in proverbs 1:20,7:4,8:1,9:1where wisdom and knowledge are reffered to as he,his,she this also applies to the Holy spirit.
The Holy Spirit is likened  to a gift
In Luke 11:13,God pours out his Holy spirit Acts 2:18.
The identity and function of the Holy Spirit will be treated in subsequent articles.

Implications of the Trinity doctrine.

This doctrine has severe implications and consequences as it teaches that Jesus is not the literal Son of God,that Jesus is the same age as the father and has always existed along side him but this will make them twins and not a real  Father and Son it also teaches that the holyspirit is a being  Co-equal and  co-eternal making them triplets.

Thus the trinity doctrine denies that both the father and son are two different persons thus it denies their personality or persons.

Apostle Paul taught Christains that the Antichrist is anyone or teaching that denies Jesus is the son of God and thus denies the father and son  1John2:22-23,1john 4:3
It distorts who God says he is.
The doctrine of trinity also lends credance  or promotes the Catholic teaching that Mary is the mother of God  since it claims Jesus is   God and Co-equal to God. It is not surprising that this trinity doctrine was instituted by the usual suspects the Catholic Church and they claim it is the foundation on which all other of there teachings is based on.

Note:The angel that delivered the message  to Virgin  Mary  told her that the  child will be called( the Son of God) and not God. Nothing stops God from describing Jesus as God or his twin or avatar, rather he  used the adjective SON of God to distinguish him from the Father.

Conclusion.
The trinity doctrine cannot be proved in the Bible neither does it have any divine origin or inspiration.
It is one of those man made doctrines that have crept into Christaintity. it is unacceptable to God and contracdicts God's word about himself.
A lot of lies have been sold to us as Bible doctrines which are not Biblical, I urge the readers to do more research on this topic and to diligently search the word of God  2 Timothy 2:15, just like Paul said that we should prove all things through the scripture, rightfully dividing the word of God and not depending on men or some few Bible verses that have been lifted out of context inorder to suit a preconcieved  belief or idea.1Thessalonians 5:21

Thank you.



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Christianity Etc › Re: The Mistakes Of Constantine That Birthed The Trinity Doctrine, Paganism With Chr by tomakint(op): 2:27am On Mar 21, 2022
xproducer:
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First, note that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - (2 Timothy 3:16)

Second, the 1st book of John was Holy Spirit inspired in approximately 85 - 95 A.D. in which GOD declares "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

Finally, by your admission "Constantine..." was on and walked this earth from approx. "(AD 280—337)"

So pray tell, which was revealed first??

Just as notable... the very first mention of GOD Almighty as Triune (i.e. consisting of Three in One) is in Genesis where one can read, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." - Genesis 1:26

"I and my Father are one." - John 10:30
The trinity doctrine is not biblical. Jesus Christ as said by the Holy Writ (The Bible) opined that He (Jesus) is sitting at the right hand of power (God) in revelation. Jesus is not Yahweh and neither are they co-equal.

To buttress more on this, read up; 1 Cor. 15:24-28

24 Then cometh the end, when he (Jesus) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God (Yahweh), even the Father (Yahweh); when he (Jesus) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he (Jesus) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he (Yahweh) hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he saith all things are put under him (Jesus), it is manifest that he (Yahweh) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Jesus).

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Jesus), then shall the Son (Jesus) also himself be subject unto him (Yahweh) that put all things under him (Jesus), that God (Yahweh) may be all in all.

The clarity of these verses I quoted were fully fulfilled in Revelations Chapter 5 (with emphasis on verses 9 to 14) when power was formally transferred to Jesus as revealed there in other to be the link for our redemption back to God Almighty (Yahweh) as a result of our fall from Grace in the Garden of Eden through our first parents, Adam and Eve!

God(Yahweh) the father has no equal.

Shalom!
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mistakes Of Constantine That Birthed The Trinity Doctrine, Paganism With Chr by tomakint(op): 2:12am On Mar 21, 2022
xproducer:
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First, note that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - (2 Timothy 3:16)

Second, the 1st book of John was Holy Spirit inspired in approximately 85 - 95 A.D. in which GOD declares "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

Finally, by your admission "Constantine..." was on and walked this earth from approx. "(AD 280—337)"

So pray tell, which was revealed first??

Just as notable... the very first mention of GOD Almighty as Triune (i.e. consisting of Three in One) is in Genesis where one can read, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." - Genesis 1:26

"I and my Father are one." - John 10:30
God is Supreme and He Alone Is One but how come some Christians call Jesus God When the Bible never said so. Below is my take with references from the Holy Scriptures;

I Saw In The Night Visions, And, Behold, One Like The Son Of Man (Jesus Christ) Came With The Clouds Of Heaven, And Came To The Ancient Of Days (God Almighty Father, Yahweh), And They Brought Him Near Before Him. (Daniel 7: 13)
The Revelation Of Jesus Christ, Which God (Yahweh, Jehovah) Gave Unto Him, To Shew Unto His Servants Things Which Must Shortly Come To Pass; And He Sent And Signified It By His Angel Unto His Servant John: (Revelation 1:1)

Jesus Said Unto Them, If God Were Your Father, Ye Would Love Me: For I proceeded Forth And Came From God (Yahweh); Neither Came I Of Myself, But He Sent Me. (John 8: 42) How Come Trinitarians Are Preaching Three Gods With Equal Powers And Strength When The Bible Never Said So. What Do You Believe? Bible Never Calls Jesus As God Almighty But Calls Him Only Begotten Son Of God Who Is Subservient To God Almighty And Was Sent By God To Redeem All Mankind To God Almighty By The Shedding Of His Precious Blood As Instructed By The Ancient Of Days.

I keep wondering where the issue or debates of "Jesus Christ Equal God Almighty should be debated" when Jesus Christ already addressed that issue in John 10: 30-38;

30. I and my Father are one.
31. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35. If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36. Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37. If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Looking at Christ's own defense here is just ok for anyone who wants to learn that Christ never addressed himself as "God" but always call himself "Son of God" as seen in verse 36 where he countered the wrong insinuation by the Jews when they wrongly accused him of making himself "God" in verse 33.

I have heard some Pastors and teachers of the Holy Scriptures saying Jesus Christ was the same as "I AM THAT I AM" and even linked that to what Jesus said before the Jews in John 8: 58 when he said, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." which to me is barbaric and unscriptural.

Some even take John 1: 1-5 as meaning Jesus Is God the Father when it is very clear here the word God here is what Jesus Christ said in John 10: 34; "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" here Christ was quoting Psalms 82:6; "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." here Jesus was trying to make the Jews realized that if mere men (mortals) are referred to as god then how much him that came from God, sanctified and ordered to be the Word of God to mankind cannot address himself as "Son of God"? (John 10: 35-36).

If you are going with the Doctrine of Trinity as saying Jesus is of equal status as God Almighty then you are rewriting the Bible which should not be seen with someone professing Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour. Reflect on this, if Jesus is of equal status and form with God then why does the Bible say this; "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4) and you wondered why Jesus said the followings;
"You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:28); "16. And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why do you call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19: 16 -17) you can study; Mark 10: 17-18, Luke 18: 18-19. It is very simple Jesus Christ gave all respect to His Father in Heaven as the only God that is Good and not even Him for he always "reverence His Father". I don't think it would be appropriate to say "a God is showing reverence to another God" which is clearly what you are insinuating. Jesus also said this about His God, my God, your God whom we worship; "But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36). Even the book of Mark 13: 32 was deeper in this; "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."! As you can see if Jesus is God of equal power and form with God he wouldn't have said only God is good nor him accepting the fact that not even him as the "Son" knows the hour when the last days judgment shall come.

I can go on and on where Christ was speaking and not his Apostles now but him talking about his status with God which I believe you can relate to but let me stop here because I know as an Holy Spirit- filled reader of the Bible you can be guided by the Spirit of Wisdom and Truth to know more about Jesus Doctrine which is Divine and Doctrines of Men which is sensual. Take care and God bless you.
Politics › Re: 3 Govs Placed Under Watch By Security Agencies Over Plot To Destabilise Nigeria by tomakint: 4:24pm On Mar 20, 2022
Kestolove:
Wike from south south, ortom from north central and darus ishaku from north east. We sabi dem
You really love your chain round your neck...
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mistakes Of Constantine That Birthed The Trinity Doctrine, Paganism With Chr by tomakint(op):
Kobojunkie:
God never commanded any council to convene in His name to begin with and He never gave men authority to circumvent His New Covenant, and Law in the Kingdom of God, so technically what happened in Nicea had absolutely nothing to do with God and His commandments. undecided

And so all those who subscribe to any or all of the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches, all of them founded on what transpired in nicea) do so against God and His Truth, Jesus Christ. undecided

In essence, the OP is wrong in his claim that Constantine made a mistake. Constantine, and the bishops sought to have power and control over the Christian movement just as the pharisees, and Sadducees had over the Jewish minds before Christianity, and what they did was create doctrines and traditions to this end. undecided
You will still agree with me that it was a mistake to think they can help God's work by forming a cult like body to tweak His work.......
Christianity Etc › Re: Is There Anything Wrong In One Not Going To Church But Believes So Much In God? by tomakint: 3:19pm On Mar 20, 2022
MadamVanessa:
Goodmorning Christian brethrens and to all nairalanders.

In today's society, I noticed that people seem to see those that do not go to church regularly as not being serious with their heavenly race and salvation of soul and this makes it look like one salvation of soul is tied down to going to church regularly.

I am one of such person that do not like going to church at all, but I believe so much in God and I know I am not the only one in this. This problem is faced by so many people in the world.

So is there anything wrong in one not going to church regularly but believe in God within himself or herself and try his or her best in doing the things that pleases God.
Longest time Lady Vanessa well to me, there is nothing practically wrong in it as long as you keep a tidy soul with your neighbors and God by reading your Bible daily......a time is coming that many will not near church buildings to fellowship but will do so in the Spirit
Christianity Etc › The Mistakes Of Constantine That Birthed The Trinity Doctrine, Paganism With Chr by tomakint(op): 3:15pm On Mar 20, 2022
The Mistakes Of Constantine That Birthed The Trinity Doctrine, Paganism With Christianity!


God is Supreme and He Alone Is One but how come some Christians refer to Jesus Christ as the Almighty God (Yahweh) When the Bible never said so. Below is my take with references from the Holy Scriptures why the doctrine of Trinity should not be adopted as a means of referencing the Godhead because of its origin;

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4)

"I Saw In The Night Visions, And, Behold, One Like The Son Of Man (Jesus Christ) Came With The Clouds Of Heaven, And Came To The Ancient Of Days (God Almighty Father, Yahweh), And They Brought Him Near Before Him." (Daniel 7: 13)

"The Revelation Of Jesus Christ, Which God (Yahweh, Jehovah) Gave Unto Him, To Shew Unto His Servants Things Which Must Shortly Come To Pass; And He Sent And Signified It By His Angel Unto His Servant John:" (Revelation 1:1)

"Jesus Said Unto Them, If God Were Your Father, Ye Would Love Me: For I proceeded Forth And Came From God (Yahweh); Neither Came I Of Myself, But He Sent Me." (John 8: 42) 

How Come Trinitarians Are Preaching Three Gods With Equal Powers And Strength When The Bible Never Said So. What Do You Believe? Bible Never Calls Jesus As God Almighty But Calls Him Only Begotten Son Of God Who Is Subservient To God Almighty And Was Sent By God To Redeem All Mankind To God Almighty By The Shedding Of His Precious Blood As Instructed By The Ancient Of Days.

Origin of the Doctrine of Trinity

Did you care to know the origin of trinity and what it stands for? I guess you don't know, let me help you:


"What occurred at the Council of Nicea?"

The Council of Nicea took place in AD 325 by order of the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine. Nicea was located in Asia Minor, east of Constantinople. At the Council of Nicea, Emperor Constantine presided over a group of church bishops and other leaders with the purpose of defining the nature of God for all of Christianity and eliminating confusion, controversy, and contention within the church. The Council of Nicea overwhelmingly affirmed the deity and eternality of Jesus Christ and defined the relationship between the Father and the Son as “of one substance.” It also affirmed the Trinity—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were listed as three co-equal and co-eternal Persons.

Constantine, who claimed conversion to Christianity, called for a meeting of bishops to be held in Nicea to resolve some escalating controversies among the church leadership. The issues being debated included the nature of Jesus Christ, the proper date to celebrate Easter, and other matters. The failing Roman Empire, now under Constantine’s rule, could not withstand the division caused by years of hard-fought, “out of hand” arguing over doctrinal differences. The emperor saw the quarrels within the church not only as a threat to Christianity but as a threat to society as well. Therefore, at the Council of Nicea, Constantine encouraged the church leaders to settle their internal disagreements and become Christlike agents who could bring new life to a troubled empire. Constantine felt “called” to use his authority to help bring about unity, peace, and love within the church.

The main theological issue had always been about Christ. Since the end of the apostolic age, Christians had begun debating these questions: Who is the Christ? Is He more divine than human or more human than divine? Was Jesus created or begotten? Being the Son of God, is He co-equal and co-eternal with the Father, or is He lower in status than the Father? Is the Father the one true God, or are the Father, Son, and Spirit the one true God?

A priest named Arius presented his argument that Jesus Christ was not an eternal being, that He was created at a certain point in time by the Father. Bishops such as Alexander and the deacon Athanasius argued the opposite position: that Jesus Christ is eternal, just like the Father is. It was an argument pitting trinitarianism against monarchianism.

Constantine prodded the 300 bishops in the council make a decision by majority vote defining who Jesus Christ is. The statement of doctrine they produced was one that all of Christianity would follow and obey, called the “Nicene Creed.” This creed was upheld by the church and enforced by the Emperor. The bishops at Nicea voted to make the full deity of Christ the accepted position of the church. The Council of Nicea upheld the doctrine of Christ’s true divinity, rejecting Arius’s heresy. The council did not invent this doctrine. Rather, it only recognized what the Bible already taught.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus the Messiah should be worshipped, which is to say He is co-equal with God. The New Testament forbids the worship of angels (Colossians 2:18; Revelation 22:8, 9) but commands worship of Jesus. The apostle Paul tells us that “in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9; 1:19). Paul declares Jesus as Lord and the One to whom a person must pray for salvation (Romans 10:9-13; cf. Joel 2:32). “Jesus is God overall” (Romans 9:5) and our God and Savior (Titus 2:13). Faith in Jesus’ deity is basic to Paul’s theology.

John’s Gospel declares Jesus to be the divine, eternal Logos, the agent of creation and source of life and light (John 1:1-5,9); "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" (John 14:6); our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1-2); the Sovereign (Revelation 1:5); and the Son of God from the beginning to the end (Revelation 22:13). The author of Hebrews reveals the deity of Jesus through His perfection as the most high priest (Hebrews 1; Hebrews 7:1-3). The divine-human Savior is the Christian’s object of faith, hope, and love.

The Council of Nicea did not invent the doctrine of the deity of Christ. Rather, the Council of Nicea affirmed the apostles’ teaching of who Christ is—the one true God and the Second Person of the Trinity, with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

N.B: It is not known why the term "Trinity" was adopted by these 300 Bishops assembled by Constantine the Great, because throughout the Biblical teachings through the Prophets and other writers until the time of Christ manifestations there was no concrete expository teachings in the Bible equating the power of Christ to God Almighty either in substance or in authority but that these two personalities are different and distinct beings with a clear definition of superiority from God Almighty (Yahweh) to Jesus Christ (God's Almighty Only  Begotten Son), sent from above, which was clearly against their positions at this meeting on Trinity. One unique outcome from this Episcopal meeting at the Council of Nicea is that, Jesus Christ remains a Divine Being that deserves to be worshipped as mandated upon him by His Father in Heaven, God Almighty. 

"Who was Constantine the Great?"

Constantine the Great (AD 280—337) was one of Rome’s most powerful and successful emperors and the first to self-identify as a Christian. He is known for his economic, political, and military achievements, as well as his religious reforms. Medieval writers praised him as the ideal ruler, against whom all kings were measured. Over time, his reign was viewed with waning enthusiasm. Historians also began to debate how committed Constantine was to Christianity or how devoutly he actually followed it. Constantine was influential in Christian history for his personal faith, religious politics, issuing the Edict of Milan, and calling the Council of Nicea.

Constantine was the son of a Roman official and his Christian concubine. This placed him in line to succeed the throne of the Western Roman Empire. At age 31, he prepared to attack his chief rival with an army outnumbered 4-to-1. Before the battle, Constantine claimed to have seen a vision of Jesus, with a specific symbol, telling him, “By this sign, conquer.” Constantine ordered his troops to mark their shields with this symbol, the Chi-Rho, then a symbol commonly representing Christianity. The Chi-Rho combines the first two letters in the Greek word for “Christ” and resembles a capital P with an X drawn through the spine. Constantine’s forces routed the enemy, and he became emperor. The Chi-Rho symbol would be part of Constantine’s personal signature for the rest of his life.

As emperor, Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, which declared Roman citizens free to worship whatever gods they chose. The Edict of Milan ended longstanding persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire. At that time, Constantine did not (yet) claim to be a Christian himself, nor did he advocate for an official state religion. Based on his continued use of certain pagan symbols, scholars believe Constantine’s early religion was generally theistic, rather than specifically Christian. His boldness in using Christian language grew during his reign. After assuming control of the entire Roman Empire, he built lavish churches and came to openly espouse Christianity.

During Constantine’s reign, controversy arose over the teachings of Arius, who denied the full divinity of Jesus. Constantine called a meeting of Christian bishops, the Council of Nicea, to settle the dispute. Contrary to popular myth, this meeting did not discuss the canon of the Bible, nor was Constantine influential in the council’s decisions. Emperors saw themselves as responsible for promoting “correct” forms of worship; Constantine’s interest was not to declare orthodoxy but to let the bishops determine it so that he could enforce it. Further, Constantine was not known for his philosophical ability and found himself lost in deeper discussions of theology. Rather, he acted as the council’s mediator and host, roles at which he excelled.

Constantine’s Christian faith has frequently been critiqued, if not questioned outright. On one hand, he made great strides in securing political and social rights for Christians and initiating general humanitarian reforms. He poured time and money into building churches and publicly supporting Christianity. Particularly toward the end of his reign, Constantine vocally professed faith in Christ and credited his success to God. He was baptized shortly before his death, according to the common practice of his time.

On the other hand, Constantine continued many pagan practices, including veneration of the sun. His interest in Christian orthodoxy was motivated primarily by a desire to maintain social order. There are also reasons to suspect that Constantine was as ruthless toward rivals as prior emperors had been. One of his sons, a brother-in-law, and his second wife were executed for reasons still unknown. He freely blended pagan practices with Christian beliefs, leading scholars to suggest his public adoption of Christianity might have been a savvy political move, linking him to a rising social force in the Roman Empire.

Ultimately, whether Constantine was a committed Christian, a shrewd, Christian-friendly politician, or something in between is an open question. Without doubt, he ended centuries of persecution and greatly enhanced the social standing of Christianity. He committed resources to churches and Christian education, and his leadership helped to clarify important Christian doctrines. However, Constantine’s actions resulted in some negative complications. Free from persecution, the church naturally attracted more false converts. The melding of Christian themes with secular politics set a pattern that contributed to later disasters such as the Inquisition and the Crusades. Constantine’s blending of pagan, building-and-priest-centered worship with Christianity also contributed to the rise of Roman Catholicism.

Constantine’s legacy is complex and not wholly understood, but he stands as one of the dominant figures in Christian history. Without doubt, his influence transformed Christianity from a persecuted minority into the eventual state religion of the Roman Empire and the most widespread faith in history.

Knowing who Emperor Flavius Constantine was and his beliefs according to his history will tell the Church clearly what is the Bible standpoint on some teachings before the outcome of the Council of Nicea as advocated for and supported by the Emperor. 

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Romance › Re: My Story. Sexlife,cultlife And All. by tomakint: 11:38pm On Mar 19, 2022
Therock5555:
hungerbad abeg come follow me enjoy this Tori....





As op wan kill me with suspense, na after every one week Nai I dey come check update.

I can't use my hand and kill myself ohh .....
I thought hungerbad is long dead.....
Foreign Affairs › Re: Vladimir Putin Holds Rally In Moscow (video) by tomakint: 4:36pm On Mar 18, 2022
Great man that loves his people dearly.....
Celebrities › Re: Trusting God Is Not Always Easy – Davido Speaks On O2 Arena Concert by tomakint: 5:19pm On Mar 08, 2022
patosky55:
oga them fit kpai the guy, those musicians are mostly cultist and get boys everywhere, the guy no get the mind to do it, I encouraged him to sue the guy to court but hr fears Nigeria type of court, he don't want to bring problems to his parents and all that, he told me he has forgotten and leave the matter behind, I told him if he wins this case he will be a millionaire over night but dude fears for his life
somehow you are kinda right.......these useless yeyebrities are mostly occultic with lots of backing from the corrupt politicians
Celebrities › Re: Trusting God Is Not Always Easy – Davido Speaks On O2 Arena Concert by tomakint: 5:09pm On Mar 08, 2022
patosky55:
the guy is a music writer and also a producer, the agreement was that he will give whizkid that track for free then wiz kid will promote him, they was no monetary agreement, when the music became a hit, wizkid started avoiding the guy but through one of wizkid aides the guy was lucky to meet wizkid and the event of pointing a gun happened, he silent the guy, the truth is that I no blame the guy, he is the only child of his parent and truthfully wizkid then was connected to government officials, like Lagos state government and all that, the guy no get anybody, no get money to even carry a charge and bail lawyer sef but the guy has proofs of agreement between them and all that.
Since he has proofs of agreement binding them in this deal then he should drag that clown through the social media for justice.....tell him to get Twitter involved here and his tweets retweeted.....no time to check time somebody is about to be dragged.....pointing a gun at someone with an attempt to shoot is illegal and can attract one (the aggressor) being sued....
Celebrities › Re: Trusting God Is Not Always Easy – Davido Speaks On O2 Arena Concert by tomakint: 4:37pm On Mar 08, 2022
patosky55:
yes bro I know the guy well, he went to Lagos after the song became a hit, wizkid almost shot the guy, the guy had to make promise that he won't tell anybody about it before wizkid dropped the gun, some of these artist are wicked and can take advantage of someone who they know has no godfather
and the guy just kept quiet like that because one stupid miscreant singing thrash has some little money to throw around......do you know what it means to lose your intellectual contributions to a work like music? Wizkid is going down soon......pointing a gun at someone?
Celebrities › Re: Trusting God Is Not Always Easy – Davido Speaks On O2 Arena Concert by tomakint: 2:13pm On Mar 08, 2022
SlyfoxxjReturns:
Davido was once with Sony. He chose to leave because they were trying to have influence on his sound and style.
tell him bro, many of these young ones are not aware of many things.....as a matter of fact, Davido, Tekno and Wizkid were signed almost the same time into Sony Entertainment not sure about Tiwa Savage though but Davido pulled out along the way.....you sabi the game my bro
Celebrities › Re: Trusting God Is Not Always Easy – Davido Speaks On O2 Arena Concert by tomakint: 1:58pm On Mar 08, 2022
Cowbell521:
Lol. I pity whoever engages u in further argument.

Davido made history the second time last weekend. He did what SONY did. Shows he needs no SONY. I'm proud of him
You are a wise god, you are truly in the know, tell these young ones to henceforth start respecting that bright and smart dude called Davido for doing the unprecedented in the history of Music Promotion........he did what Sony Entertainment had been doing for it's artistes over the years single handedly...he even hired legendary Morgan Freeman to do a voice over to promote his concert before the whole world.....Davido is big indeed....I have a music for him if he can reach me then we can strike a deal
Celebrities › Re: Trusting God Is Not Always Easy – Davido Speaks On O2 Arena Concert by tomakint: 1:51pm On Mar 08, 2022
abokikhalifa:
Davido does not have any big name like Sony entertainment to promote him, what does that tell you ? Nigga is wack as Bleep. Sony entertainment only associate with the best. Check your record.
Young man what are you talking about? Is it compulsory you must talk......Davido, Teckno and Wizkid were signed into this Sony Entertainment thing for promotion about the same time so what are you saying.....knowing the influence they wield on their artistes over the years made smart Davido to pull out of the deal and here he now did the unprecedented by single handedly with his own hard-earned money promote his own show at O2 arena and he sold out and here you are overhyping wizkid on top what now......do you know how many hits back to back Davido keeps churning out yearly?
Celebrities › Re: Trusting God Is Not Always Easy – Davido Speaks On O2 Arena Concert by tomakint: 1:45pm On Mar 08, 2022
patosky55:
I know the guy that owns and wrote that song soco soco for wizkid he was my brother course mate in the university, the day he went to meet wizkid to fulfill his agreement which is to sign him, wizkid pointed a gun at the guy that he will shoot him and nothing will happen.
are you for real with this? shocked shocked shocked shocked
Celebrities › Re: Trusting God Is Not Always Easy – Davido Speaks On O2 Arena Concert by tomakint: 1:43pm On Mar 08, 2022
realvikash:
You're a big dumbass. Davido is also in Sony records. Now explain how Sony would promote Wizkid's O2 show and leave Davido's own out. Since you're tryna prove a dumb point.
Look at this clownish huge joke yapping about what he knew nothing about.....Davido had since part ways with mumu Sony Entertainment as a smart dude.....big music labels like that control almost everything about your career hence Davido's smart move of opting out that's why he took the risk of going it alonbe with his hard-earned money to promote his concert in an arena you need the services of these great music labels to promote you and yes he did it on his own and won big.....I insist, what he did remains unprecedented...go figure. By all standard, Davido may be younger in age to Wizkid but he is way smarter than Wizkid in this business......you will soon understand
Celebrities › Re: Trusting God Is Not Always Easy – Davido Speaks On O2 Arena Concert by tomakint: 12:38am On Mar 08, 2022
ComeToJesus:
Bad belle no good.

You can't even get all the seats in a viewing centre near your house sold out. You are talking down a superstar. Be careful on how u comment on stuff that's way out of your league.
Don't mind the kid, they will just come here to run their mouths anyhow not even having a clear understanding on how this game plays out in the entertainment industry
Celebrities › Re: Trusting God Is Not Always Easy – Davido Speaks On O2 Arena Concert by tomakint: 12:36am On Mar 08, 2022
immortalcrown:
Fear about what? Wizkid sold out his tickets in less than an hour and made billions without making noise. Davido is not a bad artiste but he makes so much noise. There has been so much noise about this one show. Even his sister's staged prayer. Transporting his baby mamas alone was a trend to draw attention to the show. I am not against Davido. I am not trying to use Wizkid to play Davido down. I am just stating facts about Davido. What was his fear before the show? Money to sponsor the show or the fear that the show might not be loud enough for bragging?
I don't know your age but it seems you don't know how these games play out......who told you Wizkid made billions? How old are you funny lots here these days? Do you even know why they call it showbiz? Sony entertainment is the one promoting Wizkid and they did it for him in his 3 day so-called sold out without him spending his "change".....what Davido did is simply unprecedented, why? he spent his own money to promote this concert and here he is thanking his God for the success and you are mentioning wizkid? What is the basis for this irritating comparison now......do you even unbderstand the dark secrets in this game? you make me laff
Politics › Re: Putin Throws Olive Branch To Ukraine, Lists Four Conditions For Peace by tomakint: 6:42pm On Mar 07, 2022
Shoodboi:
Ukraine should take the deal because Putin will enforce them (and add a few punishments) if he forcefully takes over Kyiv. (He's still consolidating his hold on surrounding the capital and seizing the airports he needs to stage a final assault on Kyiv.)

This is the price you pay or not using your common sense when you share borders with a military superpower. The US almost invaded (and considered nuking) Cuba when they tried something similar in 1962.

And to everyone screaming "Putin is losing" and all that, the war is only 12 days and the capital is already surrounded. Imagine?

Ukraine's capital was completely surrounded on the 3rd day of the war (Feb 27), and yet you all claim Ukraine's winning. Even Saddam Hussein put up a better fight, even though the US had bombed him for years and bombed the shit out of him a whole month before invading in 2003.
you are one of the gods
Foreign Affairs › Re: Photos Of Captured Russian Soldiers In Ukraine by tomakint: 12:44am On Feb 26, 2022
CrownedPhoenix:
See that one face grin

I have realized some people here idolise Putin not because what he's doing is right. But because of their hate for the West.

You hail Putin not because Ukraine deserves this war but because you hate America.

Shame on you lots for supporting the invasion of a country's sovereignty.
you can't be a crownedphoenix......where were you when the Obama-led murderous administration invaded Libya and killed the country's finest leader, Muammah Ghaddafi in 2011 and left the economy of Libya in shambles which makes them a begging nation till date and here you are talking of what you know little or nothing about.
Politics › Re: Aregbesola Reacts To Results Emanating From Osun APC Guber Primary by tomakint: 10:37pm On Feb 19, 2022
IboHausaYoruba:
The spirit of omoluabi has left this man to have looked down on Jagaban of Aftica, a roaring lion of Bourdillon. Tinubu brought you from a room and parlour apartment at Egbeda Lagos, Aregbe your refrigerator repairing shop was located at Akiwonjo then. He made you (a nobody) to become somebody and you have the audacity to disrespect him. Politically, Aregbe youre finished. Go and ask Ambode.
so i heard about Aregbe.....from a nobody to somebody courtesy of Tinubu
Politics › Re: 2023 Elections: MC Oluomo, Others Hold Strategy Meeting (photos) by tomakint: 12:05am On Feb 18, 2022
Nonpartisan1:
They are being practical and thoughtful unlike some useless online hoodlums who crave for inconsequential "Likes and Reweets" by abusing Tinubu daily.


God Bless Our Incoming.
I doubt if you can be forgiven in life......too many demonic lots roaming around the cyberspace.....never knew this jinx is so concentrated in the lives of some lost folks.....may Tinubu be destroyed soon.
Politics › Re: APC, Buhari Seek Court Dismissal Of Appeal To Swear-In Atiku by tomakint: 10:06am On Feb 10, 2022
Ladiesdoctor:
It's not Bola Tinubu that elected buhari. This is a myth that has been sold in the media, but it is not true at all! If Bola Tinubu could elect anyone, he would have done it in 2011 with Atiku.

buhari was elected because the NewPDP block broke out of PDP in 2014 and effectively rendered the party defeated. If the newPDP block had not broken away, along with the North vowing to return to power by all means necessary, a thousand Bola Tinubus would never have been able to elect buhari. The internal betrayal of GEJ was so bad that even Muazu, his own chairman, was working against him and this was down to one thing; the North wanted to return to power. Bola Tinubu was a sectional leader in 2013/2014, whose only influence was in the SW.

He had no national spread or appeal. He couldn't have elected a president in Nigeria. Not even with a thousand bullion vans. OBJ, Abdusalam, Atiku, Saraki, and all the other major players, who broke away from PDP in 2014, practically killed it at the time.

That was why this same group, took over the legislative arm in 2015 and Tinubu was left in the cold. Tinubu's ability to elect a president on his own is one of those myths that many have bought that is quite laughable.

The only reason the North doesn't bother to debunk this false narrative is because they are smart enough to realize that the alternative narrative is that they betrayed GEJ, and they don't want that narrative out there in the open.

They prefer to have the Tinubu narrative & allow him bask in his self delusion. Nobody really sends Tinubu outside of Lagos. If the APC presents Tinubu & the PDP presents a northern candidate, the PDP will win easily. The North don't vote for party. They vote for their interest.

Tinubu is grossly overrated by the media hype. The last time Tinubu put this his self delusional hype to test, he sent a recorded video message to Edo State indigenes to support Ize Iyamu for governorship election. What was the result of that move? It cost Ize Iyamu the election. In which he lost woefully.

It was so bad that it created a winning slogan for Obaseki, "Edo no be Lagos!". Tinubu's influence on Nigeria's election is a myth. Even Tinubu's influence on Lagos elections is also a myth.

If it were not a myth, he wouldn't require the use of thugs during Lagos elections. In the last presidential elections, thugs had to go around disrupting elections in perceived PDP strongholds. A man who has Lagos support like he claims won't require that to win elections.

Most elections in Lagos are won by slim margins. buhari won GEJ in Lagos in 2015 by a slim margin, even after all the manipulations and thuggery.
Also, nobody has the means or ability to bribe the whole of Nigeria to win a presidential candidate election. That is another myth.

Nigeria's presidential elections are not determined by money but by religious, tribal and sectional sentiments.

© Mebele Okugbo
louder bro
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Nigerians Have Seen Ancestors Dressing As Youths Before - Adeyanju by tomakint: 1:02am On Feb 08, 2022
oluwaahmed:
Chaii, ajayi na who give you work. You don collect 50 naira finish from bike men come dey copy and paste. Which bus stop you dey operate?
don't mind the dude......he never learn basic tricks used by these bloody liars
Politics › Re: Tinubu: Nigerians Have Seen Ancestors Dressing As Youths Before - Adeyanju by tomakint: 1:01am On Feb 08, 2022
trutharena:
Asiwaju Jagaban!

The following are landmark achievements of Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu administration in the provision of quality education to Lagosians:

1 In 1999, Governor Tinubu initiated and commenced the era of reform, rehabilitation, rebuilding of the education sector in the state with a view to making public schools, especially at the primary level, attractive to the populace;

2 Governor Tinubu repositioned the education sector through the creation of enabling environment and the continuation of the teacher training programs as well as improved the welfare package for teachers in the state (My Achievements By Tinubu, The Vanguard, Tuesday July 13, 1999, Front Page);

3 Between 2006 -2007, Governor Tinubu activated the injection of massive funds to the tune of N1 billion for LASU;

4 Rehabilitation of primary and secondary schools in all Divisions of the state through the Schools Rehabilitation Program, massive construction of school furniture and equipping of laboratories;

5 In 2000, Governor Tinubu activated the provision of free education in all public primary and secondary schools including payment of WAEC/NECO fees as well as all internal examination fees to ensure that indigent children do not drop out of school.

6 In July 20, 1999, Governor Bola Tinubu ordered that his monthly basic salary be paid to four rehabilitation centres until further notice. The beneficiaries of this charity are: Pacelli School 1 and 11 (Surulere), Modupe Cole Children Care and Treatment House (Yaba) and The Spinal Cord Injury Association of Nigeria (Ikeja) National Concord Tuesday 20, 1999 Pg. 3;

7 Provision of free qualitative education for all students in all owned primary and secondary schools irrespective of their state of origin;

8 Payment of NECO/WAEC Examination fees totaling 1.4 Billion was expanded on 572, 032 SSS III Students for eight consecutive years irrespective of their state of origin;

9 Rehabilitation of Secondary schools, the building of prototype classrooms and resuscitation of abandoned classrooms in projects in 38 schools;

10 Provision of 2000 new blocks of classrooms in primary schools;

11 Construction of 4 millennium secondary schools each with 39 classrooms, staffs room, library, laboratories, and 60 toilets as a new model for public schools;

12 Provision of 500,000 new desks and chairs for primary and secondary schools thus eliminating the need for children to carry their furniture to and from home as it were before 1999;

13 Provision of educational materials for the teaching of science subjects;

14 Paid N127 Million as bursary/scholarship awards to over 4,000 students in Tertiary Institutions;

15 Provision of additional 2,500 new classrooms to the school system through the Special Committee for the rehabilitation of public schools which rehabilitate 250 schools at a cost of N2.8 billion

16 Expenditure of N505 million on emergency repairs of falling roofs, damaged ceilings, collapsed fences and provision of drainages in 133 under the SAVE OUR SOULS project;

17 Construction of additional 1, 272 classrooms and provision of perimeter fencing, drainage channels, laboratory equipment and bore holes in 123 schools at a cost of N3.4 billion;

18 Six (6) Education Districts were created as part of the Post Primary Education Reforms;

19 Six (6) Tutor Generals who were formerly School Principals were also appointed to manage the districts;

20 A total number of 48 Schools were returned to original owners: these include 26 to Moslem owners and 16 to individual owners;

21 Under the coalition of for the Restoration of Education Empowerment and Development (CREED), cheques worth N185 million were distributed to 263 Schools for maintenance of structures, 103 Senior Secondary Schools, 115 Junior Secondary Schools, 5 Technical Schools and 40 Primary Schools;

22 Between 1999-2007, Tinubu overhauled and sustained the payment of bursary awards to Lagos State Students in higher institutions including Law School;

23 Tinubu initiated the development of Computer education and provision of equipment to special schools;

24 Tinubu approved the construction of staff quarters and provision of motorized boats for primary school’s teachers in rural/riverine areas;

25 Tinubu Introduced free mid-day meals for primary schools (from June 2001);

26 Tinubu approved the upgrading of schools to Model College and return of Board of Governor);

27 Tinubu’s administration spent N14.37 million on the rehabilitation of toilets, quarters, hostels, administrative blocks, classrooms, workshops, prototype building of TESCOM and LED offices in some schools;

28 Tinubu’s administration , via Ministry of Education Re-focused and re-shaped the policy and curriculums of Lagos State Education System;

29 In conjunction with Unilever/Nestle/Cadbury, Tinubu’s administration, approved the provision of free nutritious milk to primary school pupils;

30 Tinubu articulated and Initiated free education program for the over 1.5 million children 900 primary and 597 secondary schools;

31 Well over N100 million was expended from 2004-2006 on Unified Internal Education introduced by Tinubu’s administration to improve the quality of teaching and learning in the state’s secondary schools;

32 The sum of N135 million was disbursed as annual subvention to five special schools for the handicapped Modupe Cole Children Care and Home, Atunda–Olu School for the physically handicapped, Wesley School 1 & 11 for the deaf and National orthopedic Special Schools);

33 The ministry of education provided furniture for students and teachers of four newly established public secondary schools at a cost of N29.8 million;

34 Sixteen (16) schools were provided with wall fence to ensure safety of students at a cost of N11.4 million;

35 N1 billion was expanded on the massive rehabilitation/reconstruction of over 60 public primary and secondary schools across the state (250 new classrooms already completed out of the 750 envisaged);

36 Tinubu’s administration ensured regular payment of teachers salary as opposed what was formerly obtainable;

37 Between May and December 1999, Ten Thousand (10,000) dual desks and benches were supplied to 100 schools in 20 Local Education Districts (LED) at a cost of N30 million;

38 Tinubu’s administration contracted and engaged the services of Adebowale Furniture Company and Harmon Household Furniture at a cost of N25.2 million for the supply of additional 10,000 dual desks and benches;

39 Forty –One (41) secondary school buildings at the twenty (20) Local Government Areas were rehabilitated at a cost of N50.2 million in 2000;

40 For meaningful development to take place in the schools, Tinubu’s administration gave marching order to Ministry of Education to pick one hundred Secondary Schools, but to start with at least five schools per LED for total rehabilitation of existing structures and provision of education facilities in fiscal year 2000;

41 A total sum of 1. 5 million was expended for the Installation of JSS introductory technology facilities/equipment in 3 secondary schools namely: Ivory Grammar School, Ibeshe – Amuwo/Odofin LED, Sari-Iganmu Secondary School, Apapa – Apapa LED, keke High School, Ifako-Ijaiye LED)

42 A total sum of N750, 000 was expended on the supply of Ten (10) intro-technology workshop benches in five secondary schools, namely: Ivory Grammar School, Ibeshe – Amuwo/Odofin LED, Sari-Iganmu Secondary School, Apapa – Apapa LED, keke High School, Ifako-Ijaiye LED; Civil Service Model College, igbogbo – Ikorodu LED)

43 Ten Metal bench vices at a total cost of N400,000 were supplied to the following schools: African Church College, Ifako – Ifako/Ijaiye LED, Civil Service Model College, Igbogbo – Ikorodu LED;

44 A sum of N3, 822, 748 was spent on the conversion of intro-tech workshop at Ivory Grammar School, Ibeshe;

45 Seventeen (17) schools were provided with wall fences in the state in 1999. The total length was five thousand, two hundred and thirty-one metres (5231 metres) at a cost of N22,156 million;

46 Twenty –five (25) secondary schools within 20 LEDs were supplied with science equipment (Biology, Chemistry, and Physics) at a cost of N19.95 million;

47 Pioneered the up-grading of schools (Oriwu College, Ikorodu-Ikorodu LED, Agbowa/Ikosi Methodist High School, Agbowa – Epe LED, Iworo/Ajido High School, Ebute-Olofin – Badagry LED, Methodist Boys High School, V/Island – Lagos Island LED, Vetland Grammar School, Agege – Agege LED) to models college status;

48 In 2000, Tinubu’s administration approved the setting up of technical committee by the Ministry of Education to renegotiate with the contractors formerly handling abandoned school projects;

49 In 2000, Tinubu approved the re-award and completion of 10 JSS workshops at a cost of N14.3 million;

50 Bola Tinubu gave a marching order to the State Tenders Board to reappraise the submission of technical committee for the re-award of 25 prototype classroom blocks at a cost of N111 million at Ibeju-Lekki, Epe LED;

51 Through the Ministry of Education, Tinubu ordered the supply of special equipment to Atanda-Olu School for the physically handicapped, Surulere, at a cost N321,000;

52 Through the Ministry of Education, Tinubu ordered the supply of special equipment to Modupe Cole for Mentally Retarded School, Akoka, at a cost of N161,000;

53 Through the Ministry of Education, Tinubu ordered the supply of special equipment to National Orthopedic Special School, Igbobi, at a cost of N199, 500;

54 Through the Ministry of Education, Tinubu ordered the supply of special equipment to Wesley School 1 for the Deaf, Surulere, at a cost of N504, 000;

55 Through the Ministry of Education, Tinubu ordered the supply of special equipment to Wesley School 11 for the Deaf, Surulere, at a cost of N377, 000;

56 Through the Ministry of Education, Tinubu ordered the supply of special equipment to Deaf Unit of State Grammar School, Eric Moore, Surulere at a cost of N1,819, 000;

57 Tinubu’s administration approved the provision and installation of teaching aids worth of N2 million for both primary and secondary schools, tagged 3 new priority machines ( Maxima Paper Cutting Machine; 211 offset printing machine; and Platen Latter Press/Numbering Machine)

58 Bola Ahmed Tinubu, at the inception of his administration in May 1999, was determined to strengthen the existing Five Technical College in the state to a standard form. Asiwaju demonstrated this by releasing the sum of N16.16 million for the installation of heavy technical equipment that were purchased since 1991 at the Government Technical Colleges Ikotun and Ado-Sabo respectively;

59 A sum of N85 million was approved and released, by Asiwaju Bola Tinubu’s administration, for the Lagos State University (LASU) for its 3 campuses for the provision of infrastructural facilities at the campuses;

60 A sum of N158, 916,521.11 million was approved and released, by Asiwaju Bola Tinubu’s administration, for the Lagos State University (LASU) for the completion of its on-going projects in 2000-2002

61 A sum of N64,841,195 million was approved and released, by Asiwaju Bola Tinubu’s administration, for the Lagos State Polytechnic (LASPOTECH) for the provision of micro-water works as well as the movement of the school to its permanent site at Ikorodu and accreditation programs ;

62 A sum of N60 million was approved and released by Asiwaju Bola Tinubu’s administration, to Adeniran Ogunsanya College of Education for the completion of its five on-going projects and the execution of eight new projects and accreditation programs;

63 A sum of N15 million was approved and released by Asiwaju Bola Tinubu’s administration, to Lagos State College of Primary Education for the completion and execution of new projects;

64 In 1999, Asiwaju Bola Tinubu’s administration ensured that the Board of Trustees of Education Tax Fund (ETF) release the 70% of the approved funds to the ministry and other institutions in Lagos State;

65 In 1999, Asiwaju Bola Tinubu’s administration ensured that a total of two hundred and twenty non-teaching staff benefited from training at various workshops/seminar while two hundred and twenty –six officers from grade level 07 and above were recommended for promotion by the Personnel Management Board;

66 1999, Asiwaju Bola Tinubu’s administration ensured a total of 31 junior officers from grade levels 01- 06 were also recommended for promotion by the Personnel Management Board;

67 On Thursday 10th, 2000, Asiwaju Bola Tinubu underwrote the examination fees of all bonafide SSS 3 students in the state (90,000 students who sat for May/June 200 NECO) with payment of N99 million;

68 Tinubu’s administration also made all internal examination in government schools including technical colleges free;

69 Between 1999 and 2000, Tinubu’s administration via the Ministry of Education, provided all science materials needed for the NECO’s science practical examinations to all public secondary schools, at a cost of N94 million;

70 In the first administration of Tinubu’s administration, he approved plans to rehabilitate the public libraries at Ikorodu, Epe, Tolu, Agege, and Ebuta-Metta.

71 Five (5) new libraries and computer centres were established in the five division of the state; this is coupled with the establishment of library in each public school;

72 In 1999-2000, Tinubu’s administration approved and released a total sum of N4, 057,000 to Lagos State Scholarship Board, being payment to 737 old awardees. I addition, a sum of N33, 500,000 was paid to 3,342 indigenes studying in various institutions in Nigeria. And a sum of N3 million was paid to all 75 Lagos State Law Students at the Law School in Abuja.
you need serious help I just pray may the unmixed wrath of God not fall on you......I don't know when you lots will ever learn in life.....Tinubu's life is blosoming together with his family.....can that be said of yours? May Tinubu never succeed to rule Nigeria and may his likes perish off before this country regains his lost and stolen glory. A look at Lagos is enough proof to tell you lost ones what a Nigeria will look like under a roguish Tinubu but will your likes ever learn.....how much are the costs of goods across Nigeria today? Tell us what your demonic Tinubu Tinubu and his APC promised Nigerians in that aspect....
Politics › Re: Bode George: PDP Can’t Afford To Field A Liar, Rogue As Presidential Candidate by tomakint: 12:05am On Feb 02, 2022
seguno2:
You mean that Osinbajo is not corrupt?
The Lagos Attorney General who packaged the Alpha Beta tax collection Bill to Tinubu in 2000 and seven years later helped him do the bogus pensions Bill that became a template for other rogue governorshuh
don't mind those blind ones who have eyes that can't see clearly......Osinbajo is nothing but a pious fraud
Politics › Re: The 6 Most Powerful PDP Leaders In Lagos by tomakint(op): 10:06am On Jan 20, 2022
Jimasun:
When did PDP win Lagos o?
Let us know o.
PDP that is dead and buried in Lagos
You are a small fry to what we are talking about, go ask around from the wise they will tell you.....I don't do online noisemaking oh ye Tinubu's slaves
Politics › Re: The 6 Most Powerful PDP Leaders In Lagos by tomakint(op): 9:21am On Jan 20, 2022
surgical:
Op but bode George is APC in pdp so you can't say his powerful in pdp since his impact is not felt only to be making noise about Tinubu to distract people, he is not interested in pdp winning in Lagos, he is in alliance with APC
Those allegations have not been established as facts but more of hearsays however, PDP is looking forward to claim Lagos from Tinubu's grip and while at that let it be known that PDP won Lagos twice under Tinubu's frim grip that is under Funsho Williams in 1999 and Agbaje in 2015 although many talked about Obanikoro's time but I doubt it.
Politics › Re: The 6 Most Powerful PDP Leaders In Lagos by tomakint(op): 4:07pm On Jan 19, 2022
Sakamaje:
Op, what of that new guy, Jandor or is it Jendor? Or is he just blowing hot air?
Jandor met some people on ground and he is yet to declare officially for PDP as he keeps changing his date of official declaration for PDP the way a woman changes her wrappers.....he is coming from APC mind you

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