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Mutaino7: hashi fought an empower ems maddy with d baddest tailed beast alive.. He had to use a golem statue to return a tail beast bomb*tbb* and dat neva scratched maddy.. He was forced to deflect a fast spinning blade infused tbb with 6 hachimon gates(first of its kind.. Orochi is only able to summon 3).. 4rced to summon a 1000 hands buddha statue dat made kyuubi look like an hobbit.. Until sasuke starts spam or churning out large scale tech without flinching den will i accept him in2 d top 3 most powerful hall of fame.. D only thing going 4 him is his sharinegan aside dat.. Yang seal done disappear.. Even his shushin nids prep tym b4 he can use it..im reserve no reach tobiramas or prime hiruzen takless of hashi d god of shinobi.. Aside 9 C.bt wey im do..maddy chibaku plenty pass 9 check infinite tsukiyomi chapter 4 confirm jist.. Abi nah because e put all d beast 4 genjutsu with a glance when it took a one eye maddy secs to chain all d beasts like police dog.. C how he threw them away with one tech they cudnt recover 4rm.. Even im susano gets demolished everytym whey im use am against juubito nd milady kaguya...

Story for the gods!!!

Sasuke did 9 CTs cos he needed just 9. If he needed more(considering the ease with which he made those 9), he'll do more. All those feats you mentioned Madara did, he also can do them now cos they're majorly rinnegan powers. Hashirama fought an EMS Madara at his prime, though he won, he was panting heavily. We both saw what a rinnegan Madara did to him in a short while and you're here giving me stories.

Mutaino7: Tosyn007 on sasuke vs hashi mata.. Tell me any noticeable tech or feat xcept 4 sealing kaguya dat sasuke archieved on his own.. Hashi helped restrict ten tails.. Subdue edo madara with wooden dragon even though e was impaled with rod.(an avenue madara using in taking his sage mode).. Sasuke aving hashi chakra doesnt mean he is having sage mode.. And pls wat kabuto gave to sasuke aint hashi cell.. Recall kabuto also has jugo ability of regenerative organ supply.. And kabuto is 50% made up of orochi's cells.. On y hashi and tobi xchanging pleasantries with saru.. They aint aware of wat purpose they were to serve do u observe dat even tobi who is a sensor did even react to orochi behind them.. Observe d begining of d war arc where kabuto made d mistake of leaving emotions and memory intact which inturn prove to be costly when some edo's resisted being control.. So in raikage's case, nagato, zabuza he only allowed few mins of pleasantries xchange and then he turns off their emo.

We aint talk about noticeable feats here, we are measuring level of power..cos of you have a godly history doesn't make you eternally invincible. That's what you people are failing to recognize.

I never claimed Sasuke has sage mode or anything...

Are you really certain they didn't know what purpose they're gonna serve?

rapmike: Then tell me something, how sure are you that obito did not change his eyes? Because the kamui is his technique and may exert less chakra than amaterasu or Susano'o.

Besides I can also look at it from the fact that the eyes were not used together on the same person for a long time.

One can even say Kakashi used his sharingan much more than Obito

WackyJ1: Orochimaru is not the inventor of the jutsu,

People refine techniques.. I didn't say upgrade. The jutsu that orochimaru used was not as strong as the one he used later, that was due to his abilities with the jutsu but because of time and all he had learnt whule observing Kabuto, he was able to ressurrect them to full power.

Why can't you say that because they were resurrect using Zetsu as sacrifices that they were able to come back with full powers? And the it would make sense for orochimaru to also have a Zetsu host to be able to hold them.

Nothing concern the Zetsu host in orochimaru to the refinement of the technique.


Kabuto is not the one that added Hashirama's DNA to madara. Personally I did not see anything that Kabuto added, it's just that Madara kept him quiet when he was making his claims.

Kabuto claims here that he tweaked Madara's body. You are willing to believe that Orochimaru's possession of zetsu is responsible for stronger restraint but how you're unwilling to apply this same logic that it was them possessing a zetsu that's responsible for them reviving with almost their full strength?

rapmike: Its also possible that obito had replaced his other eye after some time. He has a reservoir of sharingans by the way.

True that...he inherited that from Madara

WackyJ1: tobirama answered this question na

He told Orochimaru that his flaw was refining the technique and hence this time they were summoned with close to their full powers



The Jutsu was not perfected using Harashima's cells, orchimaru merely needed the Zetsu's body for two reasons
1. To have a body after sacrificing himself to release the souls
2. To have the strength from the cells to restrict the people he had ressurected

The ish is that you people think Orochimaru upgraded the edo tensei or degraded them as the case may be cos he chose to which I don't think is the case. I believe the ingredient he used to strengthen the restraint is the same ingredient responsible for them returning to their full strength. You'd remember Kabuto also did some tweaking on Madara, adding Hashi's DNA and youd notice that aside his rinnegan, he was much more stronger than the average Edo TEnsei

pickabeau1: Whatever you say...your opinion...

You are entitled to it...same goes to mutaino7

You hanged on for a longer period this time, you must have been thinking you had me beat on this one.

Thanks for your time

Mutaino7: because he was brought close to his full power remember tobirama's word to orochi saying he made d mistake of perfecting the jutsu.. But in da chunin arc d e.d wasnt perfect.

Then what did Orochimaru do to perfect this same jutsu this time around?

nani667: Lol... You're truly funny, competition Ke ? Because of Naruto ?

I'm just surprised the way you choose to remain adamant in all your arguments even though all the facts obviously prove otherwise.....

It's all good tho, I guess the arguments is what keeps the thread alive....and interesting.. Maybe....

So it's all good

All I gave were reasons why I believed Hashirama broke the restraint, it was cos the jutsu was perfected using his cells. I gave you the zetsu possession as the fact behind it. Why you saying am adamant? Aint those facts up there?

pickabeau1: The 9 tails was in his wife's body n thus konoha's
He wanted to keep it in the village or else it will materialise in the wide world

The 9 tails could not be sealed in his son yet


He took half to also save d village

All those are reasons not intentions...the major question here is what was his primary intention?

pickabeau1: Dude you are reaching

The image you posted has nothing about making himself a host

"But I'll only be able to seal half the fox's power. Its just too great, its physically and conceptually impossible to completely seal it all"...Minato's words.

What's your interpretation of that statement?

nani667: LOL... This is a very funny notion.... I'm tired of arguing

That's because you're thinking this is a competition.

pickabeau1: So you believe he did it to become a host of a tailed beast n not save his son and give him a fughting chance as kyuubi was too large to be sealed at once or d village?


OK..carry go

This kishiyomi is strong

The dude intended to initially seal the whole of nine tails within himself, but due to the fact that the only fuinjutsu he can use to make himself a jinchuriki is the deathgod seal. He decided to use that, but using the deathgod seal, he won't be able to seal the whole of kurama within himself, that's why he decided to split it also realizing his son will need it too

pickabeau1: If all he sealed was chakra...how come the chakra was gisting within him

Cos its alive..and as Wacky pointed out, he did it as a means to become a jinchuriki

nani667: Orochimaru sama summoned them at almost full strength this time around because he didn't have any bad intentions, he only revived them to answer some questions... Besides, he had already acquired Hashirama's cells from white Zetsu, so he knew he would be able to control them with Hashirama's cells if the situation went out of hand.....

nani667: Yes, when they Orochimaru revived them to fight the Sandaime, they actually had time to exchange pleasantries, and they could've broken free, but the fact is that they couldn't, cos they were revived at half strength, and that's probably why an Old Sandaime lasted as long as he did and eventually sealed both Kages.... Even you will agree that a Full strength (or almost full strength) Hashirama and Tobirama would've destroyed Sarutobi sharply.....

And there's no need to argue cos when Orochimaru revived them again with Sasuke, Tobirama clearly stated that unlike the last time, Orochimaru revived them at close to their full powers..... Meaning that that the last time Orochimaru chose to revive them at lower strength cos he knew that he wouldn't be able to control them otherwise.....

And as for Pein, before he zapped the 8 tails plenty Chakra, Kabuto had already turned off all his emotions and inhibitions, so he was already a puppet before he zapped all that Hachibi Chakra.... Thats why he couldn't even try to break free ✔

He wanted to use them to fight and kill someone and he revived them at minimal strength but he wanted them to just talk and he revived them at full strentgh..see logic!

The first time he really had time to prepare them and they came at minimal strength but this time he brought them forth with little preparation and they came at full strenght. Don't you think you're missing something?

Lemme help you..

He didn't bring them to full strength the first time cos he couldn't not that he feared he won't be able to control them. The second time however, he bolstered the restraint by possessing zetsu which had Hashirama's DNA and also used zetsus has his Edo tensei tools which also made them return at almost full strength. That was why Hashirama could break it and Tobirama couldn't. Hashirama even claimed Tobirama is dull because he realized they were close to full strength but didn't know why that is the case. And Hashirama had to tell him he's restraining them using his cells.

pickabeau1: Before I start digging up and down..what's the point

My point is he didn't seal a soul, he sealed chakra. Sarutobi claimed the should of the sealer and sealer with fight. But Minato ain't gonna fight a damn soul cos what he sealed is chakra and chakra is not a soul.

WackyJ1: As for Minato 's control of the dark nine tails.

I don't think there is anything special there, I also don't think that there was any bonding that went on while being in the belly of the death God. An eternal fight is an eternal fight, there are no winners, there are no distractions.

Except of course they got to understand each other through their fighting.

But I believe that you don't need anything to be able to control your Jinchuiriki. With the exception of bee, The other Jinchuiriki s were not that friendly with their Bijuus but they were able to harness their powers. Minato has experience with Jinchuuriki so learning to be one had no problem.



Okay scrap whatever I said above.

Let's look at it like this, Sarutobi sealed souls and hence his soul was in an eternal combat with theirs. But what if Minato used the death god seal to make himself into a Jinchuuriki? Sealing the beast with the seal into himself not into the death God. While because he has used the death god seal his soul already belongs to the death God and he is sealed into it.
So Nine tails sealed into Minato and Minato into the death god.
This technically means that Minato was not fighting anybody and had time to become used to the dark nine tails.

That's better..thanks

WackyJ1: Am surprised at you Tosyn.

Resisting the Control of the Edo Tensei is a matter of Will backed by intense chakra. Tobirama knew this that is why he tried to break free from Orochimaru 's control but then he was held down because the edo Tensei had been strengthened with His brothers cells on the other hand orochimaru had to be careful about Hashirama because Hashirama is more powerful than Tobirama.

Now resisting the control of the Edo Tensei user is different from breaking free from the Edo Tensei jutsu. You CA break free from the Edo Tensei user control but still be under the Edo Tensei contract thus when the jutsu is ended, you return to the pure world.
But when you break free fromm the contract you will not return to the pure world even when the jutsu has ended.
Breaking free from the Edo Tensei jutsu is a function of knowledge, knowing the right seals and executing the counter jutsu. madara did do any seals to break free from kabutos control but he had to to break free from the contract.

Besides Kabuto's control tag was a more flexible control.


Tobirama and Hashirama could not break free when fighting Sandaime because as Tobirama himself said, they were not at full power, the last time they were summoned

Then I'll ask you what made them summoned at full strength this time around?

nani667: The first time Orochimaru summoned Hashirama to fight Sarutobi, he immediately took away his inhibitions, turning him into a puppet, that's why he couldn't even resist if he wanted to.... But the second time Orochimaru summoned the Hokages with Sasuke, he didn't remove their inhibitions, that's why Hashirama could resist.... His Chakra is very powerful.... And that's why the Nidaime couldn't break free when he tried, cos Orochimaru was using Hashirama's Chakra to keep them in Control, and seeing as it was Hashirama's Chakra Orochimaru was using, hashirama was able to break free.....

If Orochimaru was using just his Chakra, the Nidaime would have broken free when he wanted to.....

So yes, a powerful and intense Chakra is needed in order to resist the Edo Tensei ✔

Khai!!! Stop that, after he brought them forth, they had time to exchange pleasantries, even before he tagged them, Hashirama told Sarutobi that they won't have a choice but to fight him. Meaning he couldn't break the restraint if he wanted to. Tobirama miscalculated, that's why Hashirama said he's dull. They were brought back to almost full strength cos of Hashirama's cells which also made the restraint that much stronger. But since this was achieved courtesy of Hashirama's cells, Hashirama was able to break free. So if its by chakra, someone like Pain should have been able to break free after zapping 8 tails worth of chakra.

pickabeau1: Am sure u know.

Orochimaru was going to be sealed his hands were an afterthought

I don't really get the other points

If I do, I won't be asking you..

Orochimaru was to be sealed, yes. But he ended up taking the part of his soul that makes his hands worked, his physical hands were still there, but he couldn't use them.

Now my point is, if you seal someone's soul, it doesn't affect their physical body. But how come kurama reduced in size?

pickabeau1: Dude........I don't know what u went on and on about
I never said you could not seal inanimate objects


Your guy tosyn007 says he wants to seal a shoe in the deathgod and goes to town on sealing.

My question is simple

Why seal an inanimate object in something like the deathgod

Remember his motive is to downplay the eternal fight between the sealed n sealer thus setting the grand entrance for the friendship that blossomed between minato and the kyuubi half.


Damn....kishimess

Its either you guys have a personal vendetta against Kishi or you're rather finding it difficult to stretch your imagination. Is it that its impossible to seal a "shoe" in a death god seal or you just want a reason why I'd wanna seal a shoe in a death god seal?


What I'm tryna make you understand is that the deathgod seal isn't just to seal things with souls, you can seal whatever you want in it. And cos Sarutobi said what he said when sealing human doesn't mean the same will apply when Minato is sealing a chakra entity. When Minato's soul was sealed, his body was intact, when Orochimaru's part of his soul that makes his hands function was sealed, his hands were intact but useless. Even when Sarutobi soul was sealed, his physical body didn't change a bit, But how come when Kurama was sealed, his physical body depleted in size?

SIRcumalot: Not carelesness but you could see how anybody could come to the same conclusion.
Question
Why could Tobi MS stand the test of time and Kakashi,Itachi,and Madara started to lose their sight after using theirs for a shorter period ?

Its possible Hashirama's cells might have helped in reducing the reducing the sealing process

nani667: There's a difference between resisting the Edo Tensei and breaking free from it.... Madara didn't break free from the Edo Tensei because of something he got from Hashirama's DNA..., he was able to break free from it because he knew the seals to do that.... So even when the Edo Tensei had been undone by Kabuto (thanks to Itachi), Madara's soul didn't ascend like everyone else......

Having an intense Chakra on the other hand will only mean you can resist being controlled by the person that performed the Edo Tensei Jutsu, but if the Jutsu is undone, your soul will ascend and that will be the end.....

Who told you it was intense chakra that enables you to resist Edo Tensei control? Hashirama was able to resist its control cos his cells were used to strenghten its restraining power. Why didn't he resist being controlled with his intense chakra when Orochimaru first used them to fight Sarutobi?

firestar:

....

Comic con is officially over.

How was it?

pickabeau1: Interesting... While a summoning is a kind of seal n can suummon non living objects, to prove your point..you would make theories to justify sealing inanimate objecta in d deathgod...OK

You win

You have the floor, you can always bring up your facts to counter my theories. You can start with where you think weapons are summoned from

It all depends on your depth of imaginations

pickabeau1: Give illustrations

Was beihime sealed

I know of Weapons being summoned

Where are weapons summoned from, does it not look like a seal?

Didn't jiraiya seal amaterasu?

Mutaino7: Abeg make una stop diz sasuke overhype.. Overwhelm who...both in power and experience hashi get pass am..d only thing going 4 sasuke is his (shanegan) apart 4rm dat he his not even on naruto's level chakra wise talkless of hashi who acknowledge jubito bin stronger than him ..dat nah juubi jin oh(chap.378 anime).shey sasuke get dat kine confidence to talk like dat.. Make una recall the hokage revival arc where hashi broke edo seal just by rousing his chakra even though his is not in his prime.. Make una take una tym.. Overwhelm weytin person wey no get sage mode... Mtcheew.

Dude was able to break ET cos its important ingredient was gotten from Hashi's DNA. You know yourself that someone who posseses rinnegan already must have a intense chakra, Sasuke has that now. Now they just came off a fight against
Madara and Kaguya back to back and the next he did was genjutsu all 9 beasts and CT them, no stress at all and you say he's not stronger than Hashirama. Hashirama that was tired after fighting an EMS Madara in his prime.

Is it not this Hashirama that Madara pinned down with chakra rods?

Djtm: I used the intelligence thingy has an illustration. Sasuke has enough power to defeat hashirama, but his power won't overwhelm hashirama. Btw sasuke has no experience compared to hashirama, none at all. So when talking about sasuke's bio, mention only his power, don't say anything about his experience.

He doesn't same experience as Hashirama, but his experience is enough to harness that massive power to defeat Hashirama. You said yourself that Sasuke has enough power to defeat hashirama

Djtm: Haha if the shoe has a soul that can be sealed why not.

He didn't seal a soul hommie, he sealed chakra, why should something deplete in size if what you take is its soul?

pickabeau1: Dude why would u seal an inanimate object in a deathgod

Ah! Good question!!!

A gourd containing earth shattering weapons doesn't deserve being sealed in a death god?

Djtm: The thing is, it's just the same thing with power and intelligence. I'd two fighters of the same power level fight, the more intelligent once will win. A less powerful fighter with much more intelligence will against a slightly powerful foe. However a highly intelligent fighter with little or no skills will lose against a a very powerful fighter.

It's not like sasuke's fighting the oldest genin or something.hashi has chances of winning.

We are talking experience against power, not intelligence. Now Sasuke is much more powerful than Hashirama, what I'm saying is that Sasuke with the experience he has and his level of power will be able to defeat Hashirama. Sasuke's power will overwhelm Hashirama and his experience

Djtm: It doesn't matter if he said it when he was fighting a human or beast. At least he didn't say "the human and the human" he said" the sealer and the sealed".

It wasn't supposed to happen since they were meant to fight forever. Hiruzen clearly knew there was a winner in almost every fight before he said what he said.

So if the sealer happens to seal something like a shoe, he and the shoe will be fighting abi?