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WackyJ1: Secondly I would like to make a differentiation between cells that aid in physical regeneration and then a supernatural fun jutsu.

The reason why someone can come here and tell us that kishimoto does ass pulling is because we that do not even believe in ass pulling cannot properly defend the logic behind many things we see.

The inability of a mangeykyo sharingan user to see clearly after some time due to over use of his MS is not a physical problem. It is as a result of the gradual supernatural sealing of the sharingan eye. Eventually the eye will turn white and useless if the person continues like that.

Except you want to tell me that Hashirama's cells possess the ability to stop a fuuinjutsu then I will tell you to prove that. Because so far all we have seen from hashirama's cells is that it gives you a certain level of regenerative ability and great stamina and boost in Chakra levels.

Another correction to be made here, , hashirama's cells was not what enabled Danzo activate shishui 's sharingan in the sense that you are thinking, it did not directly influence the sharingan, it simply gave Danzo the physical strength to be able to bear the drain that using such a powerful MS technique would put on him since he is not an Uchiha. And naturally once shisui's eye has been used, it will take a long time to be used again. Abi did itachi 's crow have hashirama's DNA?

Again, you cannot categorically tell. Me that the only way that someone with the ability to make his body intangible escaped from amaterasu is by shedding of the part of Hashirama's cells. You are also making the assumption that amaterasu only touched half of him cleanly without any single bit touching the other half.

When a sharingan is sealed, it is sealed, sealing is not physical, it is spiritual. Itachi used izanami as an edo tensei, why didn't his eyes regenerate back.

Madara lived most of his life with one eye eve while having hashirama's cells implanted in him until he was about to die and he awakened the rinnegan in both eyes. Why didn't hashirama's cells give him back his sealed sharingan.

Sealing and physical regeneration are two different things.
Hashirama's cells have nothing to do with Obito not going blind from his extensive use of Kamui.

Graviton2: Why nau?

Mutaino7: judgement tym i tell ya...

Graviton2: Thanks, everyone. Feraz said something similar. I have downloaded the video. I'm waiting for Kimco now

Feraz: Thank you very much for those pictures Tosyn007

Graviton2: Kimco, yes. I think you have been giving excuses and this is one of them but you won't get off easily. Post a screenshot of the sites working on your phone. If you can't provide a working link showing proof of your "chakra needle" claim then you should get off the thread pronto and honor the bet you made. When you insisted on a bet, you said you would post a link and "shame" me - emphasis on "you would post the link" you, not me (so stop telling me to help you post it, that goes against our agreement). You suggested a bet, you made the bet and you will follow through. I have given you options to enable meet your end of the bargain, so stop being a freaking chicken, man.

Tosyn007, ihedinobi2, anyone, please click these links below provided by Kimco and see if they are working as he claimed. I just clicked them and they aren't working. Just to be sure.

Feraz: Please, provide the manga page. Thank you.

Now, WackyJ1, if you've read the manga page, let's review.

Madara was about going blind till Izuna gave him his eyes.

Itachi was almost blind until his death.

Sasuke was almost blind and made the resolve to crush Naruto with the last of his might in which he requested 'Tobi' begin the transplant.

Kakashi was almost blind with his MS thereby asking Gaara to carry him closer to the battle front.

Despite using his MS for long, he never complained of not seeing clearly. This was Obito.

What is the difference between (Madara, Kakashi, Itachi, Sasuke) and Obito? The difference is the later had Hashirama's cells attached to him and the former didn't until two of the former transplanted their brothers' eyes.

From the above, won't it be logical to conclude that Hashirama's cells played a role in Obito's MS? Also consider this - when Sasuke shot amaterasu at Obito on their first encounter, notice the part of the body that was burned. How do you think he was able to quench the fire if not shedding that part of him that was made up of Hashirama cells? While you're at it, look at Danzõ who used Shisui's eyes. How was he able to reactivate it (you may say it's different from healing or stopping it)? You got that right. Hashirama cells. The series must not tell you how long he's used the eyes before we conclude that Hashirama cells played a role in it.

I have no idea why I'm killing myself on these since they're clearly assumptions on my part.

Kimco, I'll be back to answer some of your comments later. I'm in class posting these...hehehe! I just hope I'm not called out. We Naruto fans don't hate the truth. We just don't like it when people expect Kishimoto to re-explain all the explanations he's done before. Kishimoto would expect as long as we've followed the series, there are certain things that should be at our fingertips. That's what makes a great story.

Graviton, you no just dey talk. Wetin happen? Where's wiegraf, tayoccu, ledafaze and all btw? Madcow1, you're also summoned to this thread. Seun, you too...

Manutd19: seriously guys dis dude is right here. Do you guys really think sasuke will kill off hashi? His arrogance will be his downfall against hashi imo. Just like against bee.

kimco: Also someone shud tell me why madara was ressurected. I mean the dude was dead, why did they have to revive him again for him to die a painful dead, again? Did he serve a purpose brought to life again? I really hate my fone.

kimco: like hidan beat shikamaru or kakuzu beat naruto or the pain path beat konahamaru or gaara beat deidera? Pls it goes both ways. So bring better argument than this one u've been using. And oh if u ask me, hiruzen did beat orochimaru. He sacrificed himself to foil oro's plans to destroy the village taking two edo tensei hogakes who were gods in their tym along with him and oro arms, all being too old to fight. Yes I think he did win dat fight with experience.

kimco: was at my uncle's plax. Jux got home. Sat in a bus 6hrs straight. Only to see others jubilating dat I was silent. When have I gone silent when there are people's arses to kick? Esp tosyn's

kimco: does dat surprise u dat u outnumber us? Where do u think u are? This is a naruto forum, with naruto fanboys. Dat makes the attack even more sweeter.

Feraz: I'm not saying it prevented it. I'm saying it's possible. Ok, what other logical explanation can we give for his MS not losing its light?

You should check the manga page again. It was clearly stated by Kakashi that he couldn't see clearly from that distance and asked Gaara to carry him close to where Madara was. I wish I can provide the manga page but if you want to look for it, it was when Minato disappeared with the remaining godudama after Rock Lee threw his special kunai thereby making Gai not to worry about the godudamas hitting him, after which Kakashi made an opening on the large one protecting Madara whilst being carried on Gaara's sand and flown down there which enabled Madara get a direct hit of Gai's eight gate 'gosoku'!

Arrrggghh!!! Cursed be that day Nairaland was hacked making users lose information.

Djtm: What is this? Non humans don't "give a fight" in Naruto?

Djtm: Like neji's power helped him against Naruto. Like hidans power helped him against shikamaru.

kimco: dat wat? See if only power won fights den hidan wud've mauled shikamaru to bits. And kisame wudn't have been able to beat bee or deidera able to beat gaara. If u think hashi is a goner because sasuke cud put nine bijuus in a chbaku tensei den I'm sorry. Hashi was said to play with dem, they were his pets. Plus the battle experience of hashi shud see him thru

rapmike: You say its straw man argument, Yet you don't accept your own straw man argument about Hashirama.

Feraz: Hehehe....we're still very much in control of ourselves.

Arigatõ gozaimasu!

kimco: sealer-sealee...not human x human different from human x non human. Strawman arguments

kimco: which justu can serve as sealing jutsu? Yes it was still insyd him. Orochimaru wanted them like dat, otherwise I'm sure he wud have unsealed the 9 tails from minato too. Also zetsu stole it at the very point when minato was transfering it to naruto. Ur point being?

kimco: because the person who unsealed them wanted jux those to be unsealed. Wat u think only those guys have gotten sealed in the belly of the shinigami? I'm betting either kuram or minato wud have to unseal the other half of kurama.

kimco: did u also notice he was skinny? Did u also notice that he was performing the justu remotely thru his puppet which drains him even more. Did u notice that he had to bring yahinko closer to even manage the jutsu. Yeah I tot so too.

kimco: okay den now I'm saying dat it sasuke's power wud not overwhelm hashi's experience. Cos hashi has power and experience on his side. If u think sasuke's power is far greater than hashi's den I'm sorry for u.

kimco: "sealed in the belly of the shinigami where the sealer and sealee will engage in a fight for eternity." Dat is all u have to pay attention to. Dat statement made is why we are questioning kishi now. And with no explanation, he's left u guys to actually try and make sense of this, jux cos u need closure.

kimco: so a healthy nagato shud have no difficulties in folding bijuus in a chibaku tensei. I don't know if he can do nine like sasuke and most def, he'll have resistance which will require more chakra and concentration.

kimco: point being, hashi will not be defeated in the minute or so the guys were talking about. Certainly sasuke wud sweat if he's to defeat hashi. I believe hashi wud be a match for the guy personally. And if sasuke gets cocky, it's bye bye for him. They knew they wudn't die so they were quite careless about the fight.....den when they realised they myt die if they were hit with that obb thing they became tactical enuff. Dats experience. They didn't defeat him, buh they helped that to happen

kimco: pain managed one cos he had one bijuu to fold, plus the fact that he was romotely doing dat meant he had use more chakra (already he was boney from too much use)

kimco: oh look the no dictionary for naruto gang. Okay den u in ur kishimoto wisdom can explain it better for me.

kimco: nagato defeating jiraiya is not plot no jutsu, dude was a god in naruto. His power was beyond comprehension. He cud revive the dead for peace sakes man. Orochimaru killed hiruzen? I was not aware of this development. I was under the impression that hiruzen sacrified himself to seal orochimaru and the edo tenseis hogakes he had summoned. The man in his old age defeated to edo tensei hokages who were his teachers (even if nt at full strength) and still managed to seal orochimaru's arms....all while being too old. And u think that's plot no jutsu? Please, u're jux reaching. 3. Obito had jux obtain the so6p power, or atleast some part of it. And the hogake didn't know the full extent of the power he had gained, so the speed blitz caught dem off guard. Realise they were much aware after that attack? U can't compare. Hell hashi confessed that obito surpassed him in power.

ihedinobi2: Abeg no mind me. I was caught in kimco's powerful mind-bending genjutsu. Something called fact invention no jutsu. But I'm fine now.

WackyJ1: Please give Sasuke his due respect

It was not because he put the beats under the control of his rinnegan (which by the way was for a brief moment not full control, more like establishing something for later use) that he was able to suspend them in his chibaku tensei after all when the ten tails was sealed it wasn't under anyone's control and also do you know what it takes to be the center of gravity of the chibaku tensei, look at the way the nina tails was writhing in agony, he woudn't have been able to do anything even if he wanted to. Sasuke is not going to use those beasts in his battle with naruto.

9 chibaku tensei is 9 chibaku tensei, something nagato could not do properly for just one beast. nagato's rinnegan was never his own and that is why his rinnegan power could not rival madara's and sasuke's own

As for someone that said that naruto would not have beaten nagato when they met face for face, i laugh, naruto chakra still fresh and bubbling and nagato was recovering, i dare say he could have handled him.