₦airaland Forum

donjon:
No use reasoning with cretins, who cant see the big picture!
Anyway, lets takle corruption from the local level & strive to be honest in everything we do!
We should also get involved in local politics, or at least monitor what our local politicians are doing with our money! For example, does the refuse collector come every week?
What about abandoned construction projects in your community (road, drainage etc) ?

Lets stand up for our right, rather than wimpering or trading insults & blame! While our politicians steal us blind

donjon:
What a pity!
If my posts can fustrate you as much as this, kindly drink poison!
4 all i care, u're a bloody waste of sperm.
Na fustration go kill you!

donjon:
For example;
[size=13pt]when i did runs for my Waec/NECO exams years ago, was ibori there?
I paid 4 the runs myself, Bode george did not force me to do it![/size]
 

[size=13pt] i'm not proud of what i did, but until we undastand that the average nigerian is corrupt!
So we should stop being hypocrites!
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donjon:
No use reasoning with cretins, who cant see the big picture!
Anyway,[size=13pt] lets takle corruption from the local level & strive to be honest in everything we do![/size]
We should also get involved in local politics, or at least monitor what our local politicians are doing with our money! For example, does the refuse collector come every week?
What about abandoned construction projects in your community (road, drainage etc) ?

Lets stand up for our right, rather than wimpering or trading insults & blame! While our politicians steal us blind

proproman:
@ transformr, If i'm a prof, then you are the VC of Nairaland University of Political talk talk. .

hackney:
In 1 million years time, you will still get young black rats in hoodies blaming the white man's system for his retarded state and absolute failure. (rude boys!!)

hackney:
Can someone do me a favour and put up pics of Germany/japan in 1945?
(less than 70 yrs ago) and their current  pictures.

After that we can carry on with how the slave trade is still holding us back.
Lazy idiots.

hackney:
Keep recycling those old farts you call politicians who are set in their i-am-your-elder-and-so-always-right-so-kneel down-and-shutup mentality.
They embezzle money so blatantly that they you wonder if they are also humans.
They eat money for electricity and buy a big Gen (oyibo product for african market) for their house in the village.
Villagers will be walking by, hearing the industrial scale noise of the gen from 'chief's' house.

hackney:
Go to ghana and experience constant electricity.

THE-AMAKA:
the whole 10 hours i was asleep you people were here writing essays?
im out! lol

Demain_man:
Every other people have their own interest at heart. Black africans have the interest of their slave master at heart!!!

Why? maybe na mental slavery? maybe na inferiority complex

proproman:
@ the amaka, no mind us o! U can see what Nigeria's problems have turned us to; Nairaland intellectuals with no credentials!

oamon:
I am not saying that we are inferior to the white, but we don't make use of our opportunities well. Nigeria prior 60s is better than what we have today.[size=13pt] What we have today is corruption stilling what belong to you.[/size]

Demain_man:
TransfomR no need to waste my time with eggheads like u.

Demain_man:
Continue blaming oyibo for all your woes.

Demain_man:
Naija leaders will use that exact line of argument to explain their non-performance.

Demain_man:
If I ask u now you go say u be Christian!

Bible+Oyibo = Slavery.

Demain_man:
What is mental slavery about that point. You just refused to see the truth!

After recognizing the past and the present yet we refused to step into the future!

THINK!!

Demain_man:
My man we are together on this one. Let them continue to wallow in slavery self pity instead of advising their fathers/uncles/brothers and even themselves to situp and lead well or move out and allow someone else to rule well.

Go to Aba today it has become den of kidnappers instead of once thriving industrialized town. Na slavery cause am or na wicked rulers?

Demain_man:
By saying the europeans/americans is spending billions to continue to keep us down as one commentator suggested is to admit that we are fools!!!

Why e be say na only our leaders dey fall for that well known fact still!

proproman:
Specifically@ anonimi, I don't know what to say to you, really. Have you never heard that the future is the child of the past and the present? We should ignore our past in forging ahead. What are you saying? If your child comes home with a bad result and reminds you that he had a good result the previous year, what will bother you? Is it just the fact that the child failed or that the child once passed but now fails? I will be bothered about the latter because if the child always comes home with a bad result, you can surmise that the child is not brilliant but when the child was once brilliant but now fails then you have to find out the cause because that will be the key to making the child pass again. Africa has not always been backward and under developed. Our problems as we know it started from the slave trade. Reviewing the events between the slave to present day and our present conditions will tell us how to make our future brighter than our today. [size=13pt]The past is the key, the present is the door. Both are needed to unlock the future. Ignore your past and you forfeit your future. Realize that.[/size]

Demain_man:
My man we are together on this one. Let them continue to wallow in slavery self pity instead of advising their fathers/uncles/brothers and even themselves to situp and lead well or move out and allow someone else to rule well.

Go to Aba today it has become den of kidnappers instead of once thriving industrialized town. Na slavery cause am or na wicked rulers?

Demain_man:
By saying the europeans/americans is spending billions to continue to keep us down as one commentator suggested is to admit that we are fools!!!

Why e be say na only our leaders dey fall for that well known fact still!

anonimi:
* why must we deflect our collective failures to others- leaders, whites, slavery, pastors/missionaries BUT never to ourselves

anonimi:
* why must we constantly refer to our "old" glories- civilisation started in egypt, bini kingdom, etc
* why must we fail to recognise teh advances made by others in similar situation like ourselves-india has caste system & AIDS etc

anonimi:
was slavery, already practised by m'uslims/arabs before christians/whites joined in and which arabs continue till today, NOT also stopped by whites/christians to the annoyance of the black slave raiders/traders 
* how many of those who keep taking solace in the old glories will accept his child coming home with a report card showing last in class only for the child to say "but I was first ten year ago"

anonimi:
* when will we be outraged enough to do something about our collective stigma of never-do-well

anonimi:
* why is it so difficult for us, africans, to face up to the hash realities of our collective failure in spite of a very few individual success stories

SEFAGO:
, thats a first. Maybe its because we are beginning to adjust to the economic system. Please tell me what african countries are growing richer? And tell me what aspect of their industry is growing richer? And most importantly tell me if their groth is based on internal factors (industry within the country) or external factors (exports of raw materials to fuel real growth in emerging economies like China or India)

SEFAGO:
Nkrumah ruled mate, he his government was actually very good, but like most recent post-colonial governments, it declined in transparency, infact Nkrumahs term was marked by significant corruption. This has been historically documented. You could read Ayi Kwei Armah's "Beautyful ones are not yet born" and he portrayed Nkrumah's government as very corrupt. Furthermore Nkrumah was a brilliant leader, but he was also wanted to industrialize Ghana as quickly as possible, and so he incurred massive debt as a result, which affected the ghanian economy. His government was marked by bad governance and unplanned spending which later led to a coup- but i would admit he was a brilliant leader.

Awolowo- was also a good leader- i wouldn't expantiate because most nigerians know about him.

I dont really know much about the others. i know lumumba was a congolese and such.

SEFAGO:
Are u dumb?

SEFAGO:
I am actually glad, you brought up my post- i used the word significant, not some small pea billionaires, or just one or two scientists.

SEFAGO:
U need to have something they want mate.

SEFAGO:
Thats why it is called trade  .

SEFAGO:
All africa has is natural resources without much skill power to develop it. Crude oil would be what it is without manufacturing and refining it- crude. They have trade agreements with other countries who have what they want- countries who trade not just unmanufactured products, but manufactured products, skill power and such.

SEFAGO:
. The fact that china invests heavily in US treasury boonds, as well as the fact that the US trade deficit with china, means nothing. China wouldn't be a superpower prolly until the next 50+ years. Infact china needs America to survive- if not those trade deficits/agreements would become tissue paper. There is an over-reliance of the majority of nouveau rich countries on the west. But that is not the topic anyways.

India has a population over 1 billion. They have the same population problem as china and these could hamper their developmet. AIDS wouldn't affect india's growth. The problem is that india's growth is lopsided. They have been significantly favored by IT outsourcing, with the rise of infosy and satyam- and the movement of several western jobs into india. Also biotechnology is rising. Plus a very well-educated class- even if 20% of india is educated, that is about the same size as the whole population of nigeria. In addition, India is trying to abolish their caste system, and introduce people of the lowest class into higher-level positions especially positions usually limited to the brahmin. They are making progress mate. It might take a million strides to get where u want, but u need to take little ones first to reach that goal.

SEFAGO:
For those people who are not aware- Africans haven't contributed anything significant to the science or business- and you guys could call me names from morning to night it wouldn't change things.

Try and criticize yourselfs, and identify where to improve. No one cares who enslaved who first or what the missionaries did 80 years ago,. We are talking about the now, the present- leave the past where it is supposed to be, a relic of memory

SEFAGO:
I am proud of our diverse culture and traditions. I do not consider it anyways inferior to another culture, and i believe it was well-suited for our purpose- i believe less deaths/pain would have occurred is the west had never come in contact with Africa. I am also proud of the fact that despite being rapidly introduced into a foreign system (The new world order of globalization) in which we were at a significant disadvantage- we were versatile enough to learn the lingo and dance of this new culture- we have struggled through sorrows, tears and blood and achieved a lot. I am very much aware that as of now, we haven't contributed anything significant, but I am also cognizant that our potential is infinite.

SeanT21:
Someone said on the first page that this ad was racist If the lady who bought the shoes was an African American, would she be deemed racist against her own people

SeanT21:
What does the white men have to do with your present situation? If Africans are yet to recover because of some shit that happen years ago then who's to blame? The Whites or the Africans?.

Kobojunkie:
Apparently, even the poster did not even understand the video, but quick to inject some NONEXISTENT angle in to the message. [size=14pt]Far from being anti-Nigeria in any way, It is PRO-NIGERIA businesses[/size]. We know that 419 is a PROBLEM even Legit Nigerian businesses, like the one portrayed in the AD deal with daily?

SEFAGO:
i am sure you sell maps to them sha

Regardless how did this turn into debate about black and white. I think after the Sony episode most ppl decide to maybe rectify the already bad image of nigeria. This could even be an effort of madam rebranding herself. And for those people who are not aware- Africans haven't contributed anything significant to the science or business- and you guys could call me names from morning to night it wouldn't change things.

SEFAGO:
Try and criticize yourselfs, and identify where to improve. No one cares who enslaved who first, or what the missionaries did 80 years ago. We are talking about the now, the present- leave the past where it is supposed to be, a relic of memory

violent:
[s]i think i agree with some of the points Hackney is trying to raise, a world without the white will feel like the 1800s, true Africa has culture, good weather, and  loads of other resources, but [/s]our leaders suck!

violent:
If China can feed a quarter of the world's population, i see no reason why only a few countries in Africa can achieve such feat. In China in 1990, 375 million lived less than $1 a day about six years ago, the number of poor fell by about 180 million and by 2015, economic forecast revealed that the number is expected to drop further to about 16million

violent:
South Asia, led by India, is expected to cut the number of poor people from 462 million in 1990 to 232 million in 2015.

violent:
In Africa the numbers go the other way. Between 1981 and 2002, the number of people trapped in poverty nearly doubled from 164 million to
303 million. By 2015, this number is expected to rise to 336 million

violent:
u guys should stop throwing the slave trade card, slave trade occurred in most civilization and it's not peculiar to Africa alone.

violent:
In as much as we nurture an unwavering love for the country and the continent as a whole, we must not deviate from telling the truth, and yes, it feels good to be an African, i feel proud to be called by an African name, but if your house is on fire, u dont keep smiling!

jumobi1:
Help me out guys. Do we have any decent Nigerian with power that can inspire the masses to demand change?
Ribadu, Kukah, Iweala, Soyinka, Fashola??
Any more? pls add on.

bawomolo:
The Initial goals of the missionaries was the CCC (conversion, commerce and civilization).  Slaves were already being exchanged before the missionaries came. you are distorting history.

yeah claiming not all whites are bad is a sign of mental slavery.   you learn something new everyday.

Miss EZ:
I have read alot of arguments on NL about nigeria, nigerian leaders and how they run the country, and i honestly believe that most of us that argue here wont do better or any different if we are in their shoes.

Yes the white man has screwed us over, but they have also contributed positively no matter how small it is. I think we should look inwards and begin to find solutions for ourselves and stop being too concerned about what they think about us. their perception about us will remain if we dont try to change the way we act.

Its sad that all we are known is fraud, when we have indeed been part of great inventions and discoveries. I say we move forward, and look inwards and get to know who we really are and how we can bring about positive change because we are responsible for what nigeria will be tomorrow. And guess what, for most of us, our kids will grow up in nigeria so lets look for how we can make it a better place. Improve our image both at home and internationally. we are the ones that can make that change.

Demain_man:
Why do we always blame the whites for all our woes Wetin our fellow black missionaries(Pastors) they do us dis days!!! Na only GOD go judge.

bawomolo:
lol tell that to Christians. I'm not one. Slavery occurred in Africa way before the advent of missionaries by the way. Gold mines in places like Ghana, Mali etc were operated by slaves. Kingdoms such as dahomey an the Wolof used slaves abundantly but hey lets all blame whitey.

bawomolo:
It's funny how this thread has degenerated to a "i better pass you" tirade.

bawomolo:
no one is defending whites, get off your high horse.

bawomolo:
It's funny how this thread has degenerated to a "i better pass you" tirade.  

funny how you guys fall into the same traps as the leaders you criticize.  


the mission schools were of great benefit to Africans, not to speak of heros like Mary Slessor of Calabar.  Not all whites are bad people or out to get us.  You guys need to start being open-minded and stop screaming self-hate when someone disagrees with you.


not dumb but struggling to regain the ability to lead after years of colonization

THE-AMAKA:
do you hate being black?

hackney:
You think that if you mention WAN people go run.
No let's not leave it at your poxy qualifications at one of the non-serious, lets-rave-and-then-protest-about-something.
oxford and cambridge are just places our parents went to school and topped everything.
Let's leave it at CCNP.

asha 80:
Are you the only person i quoted?Did i not quote hackney as well even though i might aligning with him in this argurement?

Ego as prerequisite to  being succesful?You must be having a laugh.

Sky Blue:
LOL. Stop trying to justify what some could argue to be a weakness by claiming its a prerequisite to success.

hackney:
@Mr transformer.
if you mean academic qualifications, my dear you will lose so badly you will look like a monkey.
One of our house girls when i was small is a full fledged DOCTOR (UNN).

lets not go there, no! no! no! no!
My 1st class Engineering cert from a naija federal uni is somewhere (havent seen it for about 2 yrs now)

lets not.

hackney:
look at you. Im sure yu've read my grand dad's books.
Where are you from?
who are you?
Noooo!!!

look look look look.
We have some national records in my family my dear. (Jamb, common entrance, youngest ever graduates etc)
Try coming up with something fresh like a new principle or invention and not just reading books ( now a bit boring).

asha 80:
The above quotes exemplifies one of the african or blackman problems. . .Ego.What has your education done to improve your immediate constituency in nigeria or is it only for bragging rights?