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Ibime:
No biggie. . . . BTW, I think ya edited ya post to add "directly in the UK". I can swear it wasnt there when I first quoted it. 

transformR:
She was complaining that Nigerian Banks were advertising on the BBC and CNN by that she implied 'adverts in the WEST'.  I simply pointed out that the BBC is a national corporation WITHIN THE UK - So people in the UK will not see such adverts.
I respect that, lets move on. 

The BBC is not permitted to carry advertising or sponsorship on its public services. This keeps them independent of commercial interests and ensures that they can be run instead to serve the general public interest.

If the BBC sold airtime either wholly or partially, advertisers and other commercial pressures would dictate its programme and schedule priorities. There would also be far less revenue for other broadcasters.

The BBC is financed instead by a TV licence fee paid by households. This guarantees that a wide range of high-quality programmes can be made available, unrestricted, to everyone.

The licence fee also helps support production skills, training, local or minority programmes and other services which might not otherwise be financed by the economics of pay-TV or advertising.

This is the bit you are referring to:===

The BBC runs additional commercial services around the world. These are not financed by the licence fee but are kept quite separate from the BBC's public services. Profits are used to help keep the licence fee low so that UK licence fee payers can benefit commercially from their investment in programmes.

So this proves:

1. BBC is not a Commercial entity like CNN, CNBC and others
2. BBCs is NOT in the advertising business inside the UK, its a NATIONAL Corporation!

@Ibime  you are welcome to draw your own conclusion, have a nice day.

Source: The BBC itself  http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/policies/advertising.shtml

yawa-ti-de:
The first meeting will more likely than not be financed by attendees which is why I stated in my first response that rather than focus on building the next facebook clone, more important issues like who finances the event (self sponsorship or corporate sponsorship), purpose of the event, etc be ironed out during the first meeting.

IMHO, the minute you start to focus on building whatever app, it will boil down to "do you know who i am?" and become political as everyone will be jockeying to outdo the other.

Get to know each other first for crying out loud, before proceeding

My sentiment exactly, there is no way I would embark on any project without knowing who I am working with, most important is the work ethic and skills.

Ogidiboy:
Very nice pics paddy my brother, You sure do take a lot of pics while you in Nigeria. abeg keep posting if you have more. BTW do you have any from the east ?

paddy_lo:
@Ogidiboy
of course when i move back i will take tons of pics,esp in lagos and abuja,i don buy new camera sef,i dont have much east pics except my family pics sha for now

LATER:

paddy_lo:
I never said this are my personal pics,(i am in the united states for now retard)

paddy_lo:
thanks bro,my mum,dad and 2 sisters reside in lagos,that is my home,i do not see anything wrong in praising my home
i am tired of praising other ppl,cultures and cities
lagos is unique,and only those that have travel far seem to be able to grasp it
well i have seen many cities of the world,and i still prefer my black nigerian city lagos

LATER

paddy_lo:
i dont know about u but i am from the east

the igbos are republican in nature and therefore have no kings

paddy_lo is a Fake little boy who is so proud of Lagos he is from the East of Nigeria and Lives in the USA - Joke of the Century 

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paddy_lo:
ladies and gentlemen i replicate the very first post on this thread

and the fool by the name of transformr,claims talking about the culture of nigerians is a diversion from the topic

i guess he did not even read the post he is replying to

so perhaps he has now validated the premise and conclusion of the initial poster

because he has not done any critical thinking(to tackle the claims of the initial poster) since he appeared on this thread

I deliberately avoided reading through your angry rants but noticed that you seem to write like an imbercile - single lines with no punctuation.  Well, its obvious you were offended by the truth and intimidated by the topic:   

                                                                                        [size=13pt]Critical Thinking And Dialogue[/size]

Bear in mind that your online thuggery is about as effective as an impotent dunce  But keep up your FAKE ONLINE PERSAONA it degrades you every second of the day.  You are better off nicking and posting pictures of Lagos all day.  But on the other hand Its a good thing you are seeking attention by having a nude picture of yourself and engaging in verbal sparing with your superiors - atleast we know you are phony thug nigga online and a prostitute [/b]in the '[b]real world'. 

Ibime:
The OP didnt say she lives in UK, so I dont see why you would challenge her with "Firstly, BBC does not advertise" .

She was complaining that Nigerian Banks were advertising on the BBC and CNN by that she implied 'adverts in the WEST'.  I simply pointed out that the BBC is a national corporation WITHIN THE UK - So people in the UK will not see such adverts.

Ibime:
Alright bro, lets not make much ado about nothing. . . my apologies. 

I respect that, lets move on. 

Ibime:
Why do some people like to take simple passing on of information personally? 

FYI, I live in the UK.

I was also under the impression that BBC does not advertise, until I went on holiday to Cape Verde last month and saw adverts on BBC World News.

http://www.bbcworldnews.com/Pages/About.aspx

To quote:

BBC World News is owned and operated by BBC World Ltd, a member of the BBC's commercial group of companies and is funded by subscription and advertising revenues.


I think you owe the OP an apology.  He obviously saw the adverts on one of the BBC World channels.

This is much ado about nothing, you obviously did not read before you went off to do online research.  the OP is a female not a he and secondly I wrote:

transformR:
Is this your opinion or a fact? Where is the evidence to back this claim, I would be interested to know.

Firstly, [size=15pt]BBC dose not advertise - directly in the UK.[/size]  Secondly, India and China do not need to advertise as heavily because both countries have a trading agreement with the USA and the European Union.  In addition, both nations enjoy POSITIVE media coverage from  CNN, BBC because the west have a large number of investments in their respective countries.

Is that clear now? You are talking about third world islands like Cape Verde I am talking about television adverts in the WEST - you owe me an apology.  lets not diverge from the subject over petty issues.

afam4eva:
Stupidity reigns supreme in Nigeria.

You are a good example of that Stupidity:

afam4eva:
Who's Awolowo?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-357120.0.html

Ibime:
BBC World Service does advertise.

Read carefully before you respond, the BBC is funded by British tax payers.  In the UK it relies on a TV license fee of £139.50, they do not carry advertisements for ANY products!  So Nigerians in the UK will not see adverts from Nigerian Banks in the UK.  The worldservice? Well I listen to all their stations and again there are no adverts, ask anyone living in the UK who knows what he/she is talking about.

back2back:
Nigerian abroads already coming home; credit crunch every where!

Is this your opinion or a fact? Where is the evidence to back this claim, I would be interested to know.

back2back:
So why is Chinese Banks, India Banks which are far more bigger not advertising on CNN, BBC to attract Chinese, India abroad to invest at home?

Firstly, BBC dose not advertise - directly in the UK.  Secondly, India and China do not need to advertise as heavily because both countries have a trading agreement with the USA and the European Union.  In addition, both nations enjoy POSITIVE media coverage from  CNN, BBC because the west have a large number of investments in their respective countries.

back2back:
And they dont need CNN, BBC advert to attract Nigerians aborad to invest in Nigeria!

I agree with that, it should be the governments job to encourage Nigerians to invest by PERFORMING but if the government dosen't do it who will?

paddy_lo:
i wrote a one or two liner for hausa and yoruba,because i am not well versed in them
so i expect someone from those parts to enlighten us more

Yoruba culture is rich and well documented,  we have belived in equality way before the Europeans who established equality, fully in the 70s.  For example all Yoruba names are unisex and we believe in empowering women.  I could say much more but I do not want to diverge from the main topic.

paddy_lo:
web cafes still cost money,the last time i checked
my evidence is what i posted,i mostly encounter this phenomena online
when in nigeria the ppl i associate with engage in deep rancorous debate,whether in my undergrad days in abuja,

There is a difference between claims – value judgements, and statistical or factual evidence, you come out with reckless generalizations and then dedicate your whole day to defending them.  Its apparent that this thread has touched a raw nerve with you, and your posts exemplify an attention seeking, isolated individual incapable of conducting a logical argument.

paddy_lo:
in lagos with relatives or out on a all night out with my friends,
topics always come up,and the subsequent debate is mostly rich and sometimes even filled with nigerian proverbs and sayings
maybe u should hang out with more sensible ppl when u are offline

I have no interest. 

paddy_lo:
maybe u should hang out with more sensible ppl when u are offline

The reflection of the company we keep is evident in the way we conduct ourselves online or offline, for example do you say to your female relatives “I choose money over Bitches”? Refer to them as Niggas?  or is this your online persona?

You have unsucessfully tried to argue that Nigerians and people of African origin are negative towards each other online but not offline.  But what is apparent is that you are assuming we are all as phony as you. Well you are WRONG some of us have a consistent behavioural pattern online and offline.  Those who try to hide it will fail in the long run.  So I will allow your unprincipled mannerism and contradictions to shine through.

paddy_lo:
not true,i will give u an example,twitter only allows for a limited number of letters when using it or blogging with it
most online sites like facebook thrive on one-liners and quick updates

You have displayed and ignorance towards recognising different forms of communication online; I will break it down for you. An Internet forum, is an online Discussion site, its text-based mostly and is pre-wweb 2.0 On the other hand Twitter’s primary purpose is to grab ideals in byte-size chunks and use your updates as jumping off points to other places or simply let others know what you’re up to at any given moment. Its another representation of Short Message Service (SMS) or Microblogging. Conversely, Facebook appeals to people looking to reconnect with old friends and family members or find new friends online.

Hence Forums are for discussions, Twitter is for SHORT messages (tweets) and Facebook is for reconnecting and socialising. These are all representations of real life scenarios.

paddy_lo:
there have even been research that states that young kids nowadays are loosing social skills in the real world because they spend too much time online

This is an invalid argument relating to obesity and a decline in socilaising, it dose not refute the fact that the applications immitate real life scenarios.

SEFAGO:
A lot of free money .
If I take everything seriously in Nairaland, its a bit of a waste of time- it is difficult convincing nigerians about any issue- there is something in the nigerian atmosphere, which makes anyone born on nigerian soil to think that they came into this world with unquestionable knowledge about the affairs of this world.

funny  thats true we have too many Amala professors on Nairaland

SEFAGO:
Trying to convince any of us otherwise is like trying to make fire from water, so just join the humor.

My point is that you can show a different side to your character on this thread and give an opinion about why Nigerians and people of African origin are negative towards each other.  Maybe we can all learn something.

SEFAGO:
, logic is a well-accepted branch of philosophy. Marx and Hegel constitute a minute part of philosophy- considering the fact that philosophy is divided into metaphysics/epistemology/logic/ethics/aesthetics

I love metaphysics

Nice to know

SEFAGO:
Problem with logic is that since I have been on Nairaland, I havn't seen anyone who used really classical logic to defend points or even consider thought experiments per se, to disprove a point. Most people here just use roforofo fight. So trying to actually argue coherently with anyone on NL is a futile effort, so why dont you just join the game

Thats the attitude of Nigerian Politicians and look at the mess, just because people act like fools you don't need to join in - what have you got to lose?

Beaf:
The tribal/religious bandwagon is another reason for our lack of critical thinking skills (tribal/religious bandwagon are themselves, symptoms of something else).

Can you give an accurate definition of tribalism? I ask this because I think the term is over-used and ambiguous.

Beaf:
I second the teaching of philosophy. We actually went a bit farther than that and studied logic at my secondary school; were interesting arguments were entartained such as, "God is everywhere", "therefore, God does not need to walk around, therefore God has no need for legs". I think if you try such an argument with some of our religious folk, you will get burnt.

I see where you are comming from but isn't Philosphy mainly about EUROPEAN thinkers like marx and Hegel; if anything LOGIC would be much better because its not subjective.

Ajanlekoko:
Culture and mindset plays a role, a serious one. Africans and Asians are similar in that regard, i.e. they do not particularly have a value system based on equality. While the Asians have a strong culture of leadership and responsibility, Africans seem to have been somewhat disconnected from their historical value systems (of which much has been written about), and are ineffectual when it comes to showing strength and leadership.
Unfortunately, innovation can't thrive when there is no collective and free sharing of ideas. So it explains why little irelevant distractions are what we focus on, while bigger and more significant challenges remain unsolved.
Nigeria is a bit better. . . but we are too focused on negative competition, pulling each other down, rather than blazing trails.
I'm not a sociologist, but. . . maybe our collective confidences have been destroyed by the slave trade or something. The Asians (Arabs, and the Far Easters) seem to have an innate stubbornness, even in the face of oppression. Somehow, even when the chips are down, these guys still risk all to battle oppression. Africans just seem to submit, physically and mentally.

I thoroughly enjoyed this post and I think the poster has raised several broad issues.

Ajanlekoko:
The Asians (Arabs, and the Far Easters) seem to have an innate stubbornness, even in the face of oppression. Somehow, even when the chips are down, these guys still risk all to battle oppression. Africans just seem to submit, physically and mentally.

I think this is not entirely true, for example in the UK the Africans are more educated and Employed than Pakistanis, Bangladeshi; both Countries have a similar History to Nigeria and have larger populations.

paddy_lo:
no u dont quite get me,

the point i make is that critical thinking is mostly absent online,and to me not thinking critically by nigerians is a strictly online phenomenom

The online world is a representation of the real world, but the emboldened part is ridiculous!

paddy_lo:
as i believe that outside in the real world,the nigerians i meet are natural critical thinkers

and i gave some cultural examples to back up my premise

You simply said

paddy_lo:
i dont know about u but i am from the east ,  about Igbo culture,

I will let you reply to your words:

paddy_lo:
i dont care where u are from dude

Then you wrote a [b]Sanusi [/b]like 2 liner for the Hausas and Yoruba people:

paddy_lo:
i suspect that other tribes even those with kabyeisis or emirs do have a council of elders

who debate amongst themselves,so what u say is not in our culture

Finally you wrote:

now,for the last line,my point is that since i believe that this is a mostly online phenomenom,the poor people u talk about as being battered by hardship,hardly can afford online access to begin with,so they not even part of the sample

Have you heard of web cafes?
Do you have any concrete evidence to back up your claims?

back2back:
Nigerian Banks are about the only ones advertising on CNN.

But at home same Banks are sacking people left and right!

FG had to bail some of them out with our MONEY!

Virtually all the Western Banks have not done any more CNN adverts since the credit crunch!

Dont tell me it is about foreign investors because these investors were the first to remove their money from our Capital Market leading to 'The Crash'.

What exactly is with Nigerian banks?

Has it dawned on you that the banks could be trying to attract business from Nigerians abroad?

chosen04:
He only asked a question and the last time i checked, No question was too minor to be asked! ^{Teach him to know}

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danteweb:
Guys,
Do not trivialize what this poster has just done. He might not know it, but the idea he has just put forward can give birth to a successful web industry in Nigeria.

As far as i'm concerned, there is no organised web industry in Nigeria. Everyone just does stuff their own way and do what they think is right.

That is true, I think Nigerians can teach each other many things if we all work together (easier said than done). But I for one would like to contribute to the development of the Nigerian ICT sector if things were more organised and this is the right place to start.

webguru:
Hello guys,

I really wanted we, members of the web tech community in Nigeria/Lagos to have a meetup this december, nothing elaborate but due to the timing im thinking we should have it in January 2010.

However, there's a catch: you have to show a willingness to participate and attend and of course it will be free, but for those who will
be working underground, they'll need to know people will be attending the event.

So please suggest a name you'd prefer for this meetup, things to be included (i'll love to see us bld a web app right there),
hashtag to be used, preferred locations in Lagos, and generally your thoughts on this.

Thank you.

Abisagbo Segun (www.twitter.com/segebee)

PS: Seun/Moderator, can u make this a sticky topic?

Good idea, I hope it can be brought to life.  At present I am living in England, what would be a good Idea is to organize meetings in different locations say USA, England and in Nigeria say Lagos then have an annual meeting in Lagos to network, learn and achieve specific goals once a year.

afam4eva:
Who's Awolowo?

This site is for adults not minors, come back to Nairaland when you finish school

afam4eva:
Who's she?

Yeye Oodua, the wife of the greatest African leader of all time the Late Chief Obafemi Awolowo   

paddy_lo:
i dont care where u are from dude

The feeling is mutual from my side 1 million fold  

paddy_lo:
if u love the african vibe how come your first post was of an european city.

It was an Irony, thats probably too deep for you to fathom  .  do not derail this thread just get back to work and continue posting oversized  pictures

emmanie2ng:
pls help me with my ques

The people with the CORRECT answers are the billionaires (or trillionaires) of tommorow.

paddy_lo:
sounds spanish,but i might be mistaken

ARABIC

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@transfornr
this thread is only about new pics of lagos,pls start another thread,thank u

Unlike yourself me and my family are Yoruba people from Lagos not the east.  Secondly My point was more deep, which is the modern architecture of Lagos is too European, we need to give it an African Vibe.  But judging form your over-excited response I will concur that its best to leave you to complete your lifes work by posting images you have stolen [/b]from

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jay bee:
do u have to drive? if yes and no to the others then budget btw 5-7k per day
do you have loads of friends that are going to wanna hang with you? if yes for this and the car then budget abt 10k per day cos they gonna troop in everyday
r u planning to go on a chick chase? if you are considering this then i'm afraid 200k def won't be enuff. remember you are janded and the prices quoted to you will be trippled.
key is if you can stay away from the girls then you should have more than enough to throw away, give to charity and enjoy yaself to the fullest

This post is sooo funny! 

The general message is if you go to Naija you will be sucked dry

The word NIGGA is the most derogatory word you can use to refer to a person of African Origin.  It originates from 400 years of slavery when White people made it a law that Africans were less than animals! Believe me its nasty! 

African Americans have had an identity problem and still do.  During slavery they were called NIGGAS and COONs, After slavery they were called Negroes then in the 60s they demanded that they wanted to be called BLACK.  Then the growing Middle class African Americans lobbied the government (People like Jesse Jackson) to be called African Americans.  To this day there is no concensus on wht they should be called.  Some say they have nothing to do with Africa and want to be called BLACK.

African Americans have been using the word NIGGA for decades to refer to each other but Hip-hop popularized it and made it more mainstream.  Rappers claim they are trying to take the power and pain out of it so white people cannot use the word to degrade them. Unfortunately todays young feel its a cool word, its like saying 'yeah I'm a piece of filth' 

I use it against coconuts that have low self-esteem because they have not studied history and think the black race is cursed.  Fortunately I studied history at a young age in Nigeria, I remember being one of a few - for some sad reason MOST Nigerians do not study their history.

First thing for early morning
Na newspaper dem give us read
First thing for early morning
Na newspaper dem give us read
The Oyinbo weh dey inside
Petty trader no fit to know
The Oyinbo weh dey inside
Market woman- na fit to read
The Oyinbo weh dey inside
Na riddle for- laborer man

from mr grammarticalogylisationalism is the boss - by the late Legend Fela Kuti