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Politics / Re: Entrepreneurs Kick Over Proposed Minimum Wage by triplechoice(m): 11:02am On Jun 20
SoNature:
What are they kicking?

How many of them pay the current minimum wage?

Thank you very much for this. They have never paid ,and majority of them won't be paying the new minimum wage once it's signed into law due to the exemption granted to them They're looking for excuses to increase the prices of their goods and services once we have a new minimum wage.

How many Small and medium scale enterprises in Nigeria have up to 25 workers in their payroll which the law says is a requirement for paying minimum wage? . You will hardly find any. Even the ones that have up to that figure usually lie about their staff strength to evade paying.
Religion / Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by triplechoice(m): 3:57pm On Jun 16
chieveboy:


That's the science na. God is actually the electricity, atom, protons and whatnots after you scratch the surface.
. Another attempt to deflect from the topic. We're talking about your use of frequencies as evidence that Eckankar is completely scientific, not God as as atoms or protons .Please focus on your op

The advanced scientists I know (I mean really advanced ones) are turning to mystics in broad day light.

See the works of these two for starters:

https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/ARBORDON

Davidsereda.net.

There's nothing in the sciences that says you should aspire to become a mystic once you become "advanced" in it . So I don't understand the reason for this irrelevant talk

Being a mystic is a personal decision and nothing to do with the sciences.

In your head, you seem to be playing it the obsolete science way, the "science is a anti-God format.
. Another vague talk. Please what's "obsolete science" and give instances where I have played that.


The issue is you're lagging behind with obsolete information on the real stuff. We have machines that amplifies intentions (mental intentions).
The issue is that your frustration in not being able to prove your claim is the reason you're trying to put the blame on me, which is very unfair. I'm
not " lagging behind" . Prove that what you do is completely scientific and you shut me up. That's all.

That's a prayer answering machine!!! We play with machines that links you to other realms... Check out the second link above....you're just behind on these stuff.

The machines are to do what Eckists call "spiritual exercises ". An example isan using machine to travel when he can port the whole thing to his destination via thought...

No. I'm not behind. You have a problem of not realizing that you're trying too hard to conflate two unlike things as the same. Effects created by machines cannot be exactly the same as those of humans. Those machines you mentioned aren't answering any prayers or helping you to travel anywhere real. Everything at the end of the day,is all in your head.




My claim was clear: Science is catching up with what Eckankar had been practicing for eons: "Soft" or Spiritual Technology"!!!
I said instead of praying, Eckists use frequencies instead, which Tesla a highly advanced and non-corporated scientist had long revealed is the main thing!!!
. Sciences that you claim is doing "catching up" has produced stuffs that has greatly improved how we live our lives, while you and the organization you belong to is yet to come up with anything tangible which the whole world can benefit from by using it in their daily lives. You sure like to deceive yourself and you're very good in doing that.

See, Eckankar has its own benefit, but not something to be compared to what mainstream scientist are doing.

What's left is for you to conjure up resources from online propaganda search results to tell us. we (Eckists), Tesla, Royal Rife, David Sereda (davidsereda.net) and lot more scientists that it's "pseudoscience"..
You're the one "conjuring" resources from online propaganda sources together with your deceptive tactics to deceive the gullible . And you just did that up there .

The bolded is your mentioning yourself, (" we, eckist" )alongside prominent scientist to give the false impression that you're doing the same thing as them and so ,shouldn't be criticized as a pseudoscientist.. Tesla and the others aren't pseudoscientists.At different times in the past, they have been able to provide the whole world with practical demonstrations of what they do using any kind of frequency . You on your part haven't been able to do so, yet you continue to delude yourself that you're a top scientist . You are engaged in masturbation.

In the other thread, you attempted the same deceit by mentioning and discussing the fictitious masters ,with dubious history created by Paul Twitchell, alongside well known historical personages to mislead the public that Rebazar tarz and Gopal das were real beings who sometimes lived in the past.



Notice how we never heard from you on the evidences I gave earlier of the incarceration and the true story behind the propaganda you feed on?
Why should you expect to hear from me when you're yet to provide any such evidences. The link you shared for the evidence is invalid or not connecting to anything. It's showing "access denied" Please go through it yourself and screenshot the part that report the arrest and let me read the actual reason for the arrest. I doubt if anyone will be arrested for coming up with a cure for cancer. It's only when the person is selling snake oil as cure for cancer or if the product is not registered with regulatory authorities that an arrest can happen. So provide the actual reason for the arrest.

BTW how does it even prove that Eckankar is completely scientific. A non member of Eckankar is arrested for cancer treatment and it's prove Eckankar is completely scientific. Wetin be dat?



You on the other hand fail to grasp the point based on your prejudice.




Which point and which prejudice? I have no prejudice against Eckankar, but telling it the way it's. It's a spiritual path that can provide some benefits to anyone who wants to try it out, and not what you're trying to claim it's.

Singing Hu to generate sound frequencies is not evidence that you're a top scientist or that
Eckankar is completely scientific. Anyone can produce sound frequencies by singing any word; Love, aum, ra, God , Jesus etc So nothing unique or scientific about what you're doing.

If you want to claim scientific, then begin by providing scientific explanation of how exactly your own generation of sound frequencies has helped you to cure cancer or any other illnesses and you will be taken seriously.

Stop mentioning non members of Eckankar. Tesla and the rest have provided practical demonstrations and explanations of what they do. Please discontinue from hijacking the successes of non eckist as evidence. Provide your own.

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Politics / Re: Hardship: Labour Kicks As 20 States Deny Workers Wage Award by triplechoice(m): 10:05am On Jun 14
vacanci:
Labour is kicking at mere wage award.

They should wait until the minimum wage they are fighting for is passed into law. I have alsways said it that the problem labour have is with the states and not even federal government

they should be ready for all out war with the state governments. Shey it's 20 states now, after min wage, it will rise to 34.

Instead of starting the battle and shuting down nigeria when subsidy was removed and subsequent floating of exchange rate, they waited for hyper inflation and now asking for what the government is never going to provide.

It will be a tough ride for this jokers
. The wage award is not law hence the reason some if them have refused to pay it.

But minimum wage is law. So it will be different.
Politics / Re: Hardship: Labour Kicks As 20 States Deny Workers Wage Award by triplechoice(m): 10:01am On Jun 14
helinues:
The irresponsible Labour Union and their leaders

Why should labour be having negotiations with FG all this while without even involving the NGF?

Using an obsolete method and expecting different results?

https://www.nairaland.com/8116807/why-governors-silent-new-minimum

Shut up.

It's the Federal government that has the responsibility of coming up with a new minimum wage after negotiating with labour, and that's why it's in the exclusive list.
Religion / Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by triplechoice(m): 2:16pm On Jun 13
chieveboy:


Okay.

Calling Eckankar completely scientific will not make it so. The religion is far from being what you claim it's . I know because I was there before.

1. Eckist believe in a God, called sugmad .

2. Eckist believe that Harold Klemp is the true representative of this God.

3. Eckankar has it's own " Bible" called the shariyat -ki-sugmad

With the above,and others I haven't mentioned, how can anyone still claim Eckankar is completely scientific?

True science is not based on beliefs, but on facts and evidence.

What you're doing , chieveboy, is using your knowledge of science ,which s obviously not good enough, to interpret the religion has completely scientific when it's not.

I decided to ignore your lengthy reply up there in order not to prolong the conversation. You were incoherent most of the time and also making very vague references. And in the end nothing to show Eckankar is what you claim it is. No evidence yet from you that a certain scientist was arrested for inventing a device to cure cancer.
Religion / Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by triplechoice(m): 10:52pm On Jun 11
chieveboy:



The bolded really cracks and amazes me cheesy
You must have heard of Nikolai Tesla and about his work with frequencies and how most were confiscated by the FBI (because it's "pseudoscience" and useless undecided)

Since the last time in the other thread and here, I subtly and Expressly do point you in the direction of a conscious effort by state agents, capitalists and religious agents at controlling what makes it to this textbook you seem to be fixated on to no avail. You somehow have this knack at sticking to the number 4.

In your logic, inventors and pioneers have to wait in queue for when the politics of science would want to look in the direction of updating textbooks.

You however would not be aware of State projects like HAARP which revolves around the "pseudoscience" of frequency energy machines.

You can see how they left you with the propaganda record you got on the Internet while they have developed several energy machines and weapons based on frequency which their propaganda arm labeled "pseudoscience".

You sound like they will come and update the textbooks after the HAARP research




Let's attempt to bring it home: The Covid Vaccines have been proven to be ineffectual, didn't go the usual retinue of testing before application (usually 50-10yrs), and even caused fatal injuries and even death, it however was released to the public over scientifically effective alternatives around like chloroquine.

Chemotherapy has around 80-90% failure rate, Rife frequency has 99% success rate.
Rife frequencies however is the pseudoscience...



Lol, you're still not getting it sir. The person behind this keyboard is grappling for words to let you know the name of the person who is sleeping with your daughter without causing much harm, but you seem to entrained...

If you didn't forget, I used the term "..the scientists are catching up...". So YES, Long before scientists even began calling frequencies "pseudoscience", Eckankar has long been using it. The frequency part is just a tip of it. Wait till scientists develop further to use sound to power flying machines and homes, and that will be them learning to crawl as far as that science is concerned.

The use of that term is a deliberate effort to divide and rule you into sticking with textbooks while they head in the direction of HAARP and other covert application of frequencies.


Are you aware Tesla's findings on frequencies are applied by nations like Russia to secure their airspaces to name just one of it's application?

In the words of Asari Dokubo: "the don leave you" (with textbook).



If only you would apply this wild imagination into catching the culprits responsible for making you stick to their scripts...



Does Holland bear the name Rife?



You have been waiting for rapture, it took place before your eyes and you're still waiting for rapture.

You watched a prove of concept, and you're quoting the inefficacy of the chemotherapy and "approved science".



The discussion centres on cancer cure using frequencies. Please stick to that and don't deflect to Tesla.

I said the use of frequencies to cure or manage cancer is pseudoscience just like acupuncture . Pseudoscience doesn't mean it cannot provide some result or benefit for those who use it. Why this is difficult for you to understand, to the extent you keep misrepresenting me all the time only God knows


Pseudoscience doesn't mean fake. It simply means not yet accepted by mainstream scientist because no detailed explanation of how it works. Placebo effect may be responsible for the results you're getting.

If what you have as cure is working and not harmful then please use it but don't try to deceive the public that the reason it's yet to be accepted by mainstream scientist is because of an imaginary gang up that only exist in your head.



You need to help yourself by learning very well the difference between pseudoscience and mainstream science as well as scientifically proven and not scientifically proven.Once you know the difference, you will surely understand what kind of science eckankar is.



And what's the incoherent rapture talk. Did I announce bto you I'm a Christian waiting for any rapture.?

Please don't forget, in your reply,to provide evidence of the person arrested. Failure to do so would mean you lied.

. Modified. I forgot this. There's no evidence anywhere that frequencies has been used to cure cancer. It's only used for managing it. If you have evidence of anyone completely cured if cancer using what you're saying please provide it here.
Religion / Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by triplechoice(m): 7:03pm On Jun 11
chieveboy:


The use of frequencies instead of prayer or traditional medicine.

The use of frequencies, even though given approval by FDA, is still classified as pseudoscience because it's not yet a proven cure in the sciences for all medical doctors working in regular hospitals to make use of. And that's why the same FDA has also issued a disclaimer to warn that anyone using it is doing so at their own risk.

It's like acupuncture which is helpful to manage certain illnesses but without scientific explanation of how it works.

Scientific proofs or scientifically proven,are rational explanation for phenomenon. In other words, they're very detailed or step by step explanation of how exactly something works so everyone can understand it

The science behind the use of frequencies in managing cancer is still at its elementary stage. There's some explanation but not enough to say it has been scientifically proven.. It may be working as a placebo. No one knows yet.

So, what all of these means is that, you have unknowingly just accepted that Eckankar is pseudoscience by comparing it what Dr Holland came up with.

I won't be surprised you come back to edit your comments to mean something else after another member of Eckankar, probably an HI, reading our conversation must have informed you that you're misrepresenting the organization. Dr Holland is not doing his work with the support of Eckankar. So why trying to make it seem as if he has the backing of the organization

BTW , where did you read that Dr Holland was arrested for using frequencies? I expected you to provide your source, but you failed to do so.

Modified. The use of frequencies is not yet a cure for cancer. No evidence that anyone has been cured by it. The only evidence we have is thar it helps to prolong the life of cancer patients. That's all
Religion / Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by triplechoice(m): 2:30pm On Jun 11
chieveboy:


Here is a work of some independent scientist who built on the work of an 'unofficial' scientist as far back as the 1920s curing cancer. That scientist was jailed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C73AuV1CsCP/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Question: Why jail someone who finds solution to a long standing scientific problem?

I can't find any evidence he was jailed for his discovery.

The FDA gave him approval. So it doesn't make sense to say he was jailed for what they gave him approval for.

Modified. And how does this method to manage cancer prove that eckankar is completely scientific?

Religion / Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by triplechoice(m): 10:33am On Jun 10
chieveboy:


Science isn't about proving yourself to anyone. The progenitors of whatever the scientists sic politicians of today run with I have said before were mystics ala autodictats. It didn't start out as an organization to be controlled by powerful cartels and nothing is changing this as we are going right back to how it must be.
1.You're not proving yourself when you provide your findings to the public ,but contributing your own part to improve human knowledge about the world we all live in. Such contributions from the past are what we're benefiting from today. If you don't see any good in that, then that's your own problem.
2. As for your "progenitors" and " "mystic" explanation, sorry, I don't subscribe to such conspirational theories. Provide evidences for your claims.



Science making my phone doesn't mean that's the best it should be. It's full of harm biologicallyy emotionally and mentally if you're not aware.
Science will continue to seek for improvement in what it does, and nothing is perfect. Scientists are always alert to any danger their products can cause and because of that warn the public to take precautions. Even your Eckankar practices has its dangers too. Some of the spiritual exercises can drag you into a state of delusion requiring professional help.

I think I have told you of an inventor of a device which generates electricity from thin air. Till today, he fails to be patented because the so-called scientists cannot peer-review nor place into their ineffectual template the working principle of the machine.

Since no one knows the working principle, let him mass produce the machine and sell. Not having your findings peer reviewed doesn't mean it has become useless.

And the same "ineffectual template" is what has led to the phone you're using to downplay what they do.



Herein lies the issue. Textbook science, again. They won't tell you it has pure spirit simply because they are not advanced, I wonder why you love that tent.
I wonder why you like to say things which doesn't make sense? You have just produced another conspirational talk. Everyone can practice science and so there's no gang up anywhere to deceive the public . If a group of scientists try to hide the truth from the public it won't be long before another group of scientists reveals it. But this doesn't happen in spiritual paths like yours where they lie to you to accept and threaten you with karma for challenging the master .

There is this guy called Terrence Howard. All I can tell you is: Watch out cool

If what he comes up with is not magic and can benefit everyone.
Politics / Re: Our Elites Fought Me Against Payment Of Salary and pension– Alia by triplechoice(m): 9:25am On Jun 10
Akinpresident:


You certainly don't have enough RAM for simple comprehension as seen in how directionless your arguments are.

I made a clear point that asides salary, there are other channels to access cash in govt.
If you're bereft of how politics works, you should prolly do more of reading and retrospect than jumping into threads and commenting like a bot.
You made an accusation and you were asked to substantiate it with evidence.Instead of doing so ,you are deflecting to irrelevancies .

Are kickbacks salaries?

And besides, do you have information he's even collecting the allowances? Are you is personal assistant to know?

And if collects it ,has he done anything wrong to collect what he's due?

You certainly have a problem

Please stop quoting me . I don't have time for your nonsense.
Politics / Re: Our Elites Fought Me Against Payment Of Salary and pension– Alia by triplechoice(m): 8:57pm On Jun 09
Akinpresident:


Are you just arguing for argument sake or you don't know what to say?

You're not saying anything. Where's the argument?

I just informed you of what you don't know about the minimum wage act. Please respond to that and also you tell me how you get to know the governor of Benue state has been collecting kickbacks from contractors.
Religion / Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by triplechoice(m): 8:35pm On Jun 09
chieveboy:


Material science is the study of effects. That's masturbation as far as the real thing is concerned. Some dude is coming to strip what you call science of it's fake fecade. Science will change completely.
. But this study of effects has produced stuffs like the one you're using now to make your presence felt on Nairaland. Material sciences is not masturbating but an alternative method available to everyone for arriving at truth . However, the material scientist won't agree to call it an alternative because that's the only thing he knows and finds more reliable .



Good! From the above, you reiterated the superficiality of what is referred to as science today which dwells on the 'effects' of the real object of any scientific engagement, as in how Gravity is a mere effect of electricity which itself is an aftermath of a grand dance of spiritual stuff (ether).
Its not superficial as you think if not stuffs cannot results from it . The only thing is that it has its limitations about what it can do or not do.

Science must be based on 'Soft technologies' like the so-called meditation, contemplation, Soul Travel and OBEs for it to properly take care of several problems and questions for mankind.
If they get to the point where they see it has a must they would do that . But for now,most of them still regard those as spiritual practices that shouldn't be included as something that must be taught in regular schools



Nothing is real or unreal. Things just are.
You say so because of how you have come to perceive the world around you and it's your choice how you want to view it. But remember , you live amongst others who don't see it the way you do.



Question: If an Eckist sees the ether via the proper apparatus creating another condition which the guy with apparatus calls gravity, who is seeing or interacting with the main thing? Who is the real scientist here?
The real scientist is the one able to present his findings for others to judge themselves.

Are you aware what is called the ECK is usable as part of machine? In other climes, it's known as "Logotechnocraton" or tech ology driven by mixture of consciousness or "Logos" and material substance?
. I'm afraid this sounds more like...........



Oh we've been at it for eons. The question is to what degree and from which dimension. A sead give-away is water. We put it in test tube all the time. It can be changed to pure ECK, gas or solid with the right procedure.

I'm not talking of how spirit, energy, manifest in the lower worlds for everyone to see it physically, but how it's only perceived as either light or sound , or even more than that,through inner travel, meditation, soul or any other means available to the " spiritual scientist"

You won't find any science textbook referring to water , gas or solid has pure spirit. That's your own description of it because you were taught that matter is crystalized spirit.
Politics / Re: Our Elites Fought Me Against Payment Of Salary and pension– Alia by triplechoice(m): 7:55pm On Jun 09
Akinpresident:


Why don't we start with asking the SGF for proof that he can't pay 4 drivers 100k monthly?

Why deflecting from the main issue you raised about the governor collecting kickbacks?

Unfortunately your SGF spoke out of ignorance. He's not aware of what the law says.He is not meant to pay his personal drivers just 4 of them ,minimum wage. His drivers don't fall into the category of those to receive minimum wage unless the minimum act is amended to include .

You ,yourself ,don't also know if not you shouldn't know what to say concerning what he said .
Politics / Re: Our Elites Fought Me Against Payment Of Salary and pension– Alia by triplechoice(m): 3:54pm On Jun 09
Akinpresident:
Politicians and their crazy manner of lying.

I like this man, he's quite ambitious and seems ready to make things happen. But these lies won't help anyone.
You're not collecting salary? Okay. How much is the salary compared to your security vote?
All those people doing contracts aren't in any way parting with any kickback?

Seniorman, you'll succeed, not because of these lies, but because it's your decision to succeed.

Do you have evidence that he's collecting kickbacks from contractors?

And is security vote the same as salary?

Do you have evidence that he's not using the money for what it's voted for, security?
Politics / Re: Our Elites Fought Me Against Payment Of Salary and pension– Alia by triplechoice(m): 3:49pm On Jun 09
Reloadedisraelp:
I don't know when Nigeria government will do away with pensions.... Pensions are like a circle of wastage.... Once they retired just pay them 5month pension once n end it there... continues payment of pensions is a total waste of fund... Spit

But it's not wastage to you when governors have enacted laws to receive pension for life.
Travel / Re: Nigerians In UK Lament Accommodation Crisis by triplechoice(m): 1:22pm On Jun 09
helinues:
That one no be talk

Things are cheaper in Nigeria but not available.

Things are available in abroad but expensive

Things not available are cheaper?

U know wetin u type so?
Religion / Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by triplechoice(m): 1:12pm On Jun 09
chieveboy:
"Physical matter is music solidified" - Pythagoras

The above quote means it is Sound solidified. Humans call it music because of the symphony that comes with Sounds in nature when viewed or listened to with the proper tools. Further measure and give symbols to these sounds and you have mathematics and any subject that exists for a human.


I recall telling a someone here in the past on how Eckankar is completely scientific. I think its triplechoice. He thinks otherwise. Well, the so-called scientists are catching up...

The truth is science as we know it is about to be stripped to its marrow in the few coming days. Thanks to the advent of this genius already in action. His work will open up Leonardo Davinci's work closed up in the vatican libraries because if made public will strip religion of its powers. Not so anymore!



The below image is a tidbit of the science of sound and why Eckists will rather use the Hu sound instead of bombarding their space with speech propelled by worry, concern, anger (when binding and casting), begging, etc which are only good for compounding a condition because the wrong Sound frequencies are being used.



I will post a video for more details.

I always knew you didn't understand from where I was coming from the last time we had some argument or discussion.

I didn't say Eckankar is not scientific or cannot be approached scientifically ,but not the same kind of science practiced by those trained in the material sciences taught in regular schools open to the public

While eckist, or spiritual scientist practice spiritual exercises which helps to open up dormant perceptive tools within themselves to perceive spirit or other inner realities directly, those trained in the material sciences , physics or chemistry for instance, are only able to observe and record what the limited five physical senses and other scientific instrumentation can make them perceive, which they then declare as scientifically proven after validating it through testing and experimentation.

However , it doesn't mean that everything the spiritual student sees in his inner travel is real or actually there: The inner world is made up of both the real and the unreal. Not knowing this can easily drag one into a state of delusion where the individual is no longer able to separate the real from the unreal.

There are methods available to the spiritual student or eckist to validate as real what's perceived innerly which you failed to mention but tried to create the false impression that it's the same as the rational sciences.

For instance, can you put the Eck or holy Spirit in a test tube and observe and measure it just like those trained in the material sciences ? Certainly not.

So what are you talking about? Chieveboy
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage: Resign If You Can’t Pay, Labour Tackles Governors by triplechoice(m): 11:50am On Jun 09
Masterchef:
Lazy-minded labour union guys.

At this time, why can't they simply ask for the salaries and allocations received by political office holders to be reduced by half?

We then move on with whatever minimum wage that goverment is offering, but on a condition.

Conditon being that, over the next 3 months, each state governor will take turn to present their finances in the last 1 year, at a public hearing to the national assembly.

It will be then be clear how many workers each state has in its employment and their total salaries, in comparison to money spent on political appointees, aides, overseas trips, pilgrimages, etc.

Once this basis is laid, Labour Union can then be in a position to engage in reasonable negotiations.










And you think if they asked that, then it will be reduced just like that? And I don't think you know what is meant by allocation. Allocation is the money shared to each state by the federal government. If it's reduced it will effect the states especially states that depend completely on it.
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage: Resign If You Can’t Pay, Labour Tackles Governors by triplechoice(m): 11:27am On Jun 09
MomohMrMoore:
Lol, government is not for civil servants alone. Civil servants account for less than 10% of the population. Who pays the rest? And the teeming unemployed graduates? Who pays the partisans?
Its the civil servants that will resign if they cannot cope, just like company employees. The CEO cant resign, its the employee that will resign.

You have gotten it completely wrong. Governors are not like the CEO of a company,but people appointed or giving the position by the people of that state ,which includes the civil servants, to manage the affairs of the state.

If they're not able to manage the resources of their state so they can create jobs for others to earn salaries as well as paying minimum wage for the lowest paid,then it means they have failed and should be the ones to resign and not the people who put them there.

The public sector is not the same as the private sector and so don't conflate the two as one.Governors will come and go while civil servants remain. This doesn't happen in the private sector .Have you seen a business owner leaving his business after 8 years for a complete stranger to take over it? Yes or no

A governor is the number 1 civil servant of his state. He's there to serve the people.
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage Talks: Labour Considers N100,000 As Tinubu Issues Ultimatum by triplechoice(m): 8:03pm On Jun 07
Babysho:


You're even worse than I thought. Me and you are not saying the same thing, stop gaslighting.

This is not a situation where the theory about human behaviour applies. What are you even talking about? I think you need to stop talking. When the wage increase takes effect and there's a corresponding inflation, I'll come back here to tell you I told you so.

The only situation where wage increase doesn't cause an inflation is if the political/biz elites cut down their own wages drastically. The economy is already bottlenecked. If you don't agree with this, then I pity for you.

Cheers


You said " inflation can and has been reduced everywhere" . I said it can "be managed" and asked for the difference between my statement and yours. Instead of responding critically to that you have deflected to name calling which are your personal opinion from you projecting your self.

If you struggle to see how the same thing can be described differently by others, then I'm afraid you're too slow for me to engage with.


And ,the emotional reaction you have come up with is to cover for your lack of practical experience about what you claimed to know so well. I'm not fooled . You're an arm chair critic who can't see beyond his nose .Like other morons around here, You only have a mono-causal explanation for inflation; minimum wage. and using it like a bot to telescope negatively into the future. SMH
Politics / Re: Governors Reject N60,000 Minimum Wage by triplechoice(m): 6:28pm On Jun 07
But the question is ,if labour accepts the 60k will the NGF ensure every governor pays it. The 30k some are yet to pay what have they done about bit.

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Politics / Re: Minimum Wage Talks: Labour Considers N100,000 As Tinubu Issues Ultimatum by triplechoice(m): 5:04pm On Jun 07
casualobserver:


You are entrenching yourself into the realm of stupidity with your repeated attempts to grab my attention, so if you don’t mindI’ll just take my leave here.

Gone on the defensive since you can't defend your very odd claims and lies.

You're negatively telescoping into the future based on limited information.

The minimum wage will be increased and we shall see about the adjustment and your lies about imaginary strikes concerning it.

Done with you.
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage Talks: Labour Considers N100,000 As Tinubu Issues Ultimatum by triplechoice(m): 4:28pm On Jun 07
casualobserver:


Nobody is “guaranteed” consequential adjustment because there is no law that mandates it. It happens by normal practice or by implication that is why you often see other unions going on strike once a minimum wage has been approved.

You are contradicting yourself. I have stated it many times that Labour is not fighting for the Nigerian worker, they are fighting for Government workers. I have also stated that the majority of Nigerian workers will not be affected by the Law and that if they are forced to, many will lose their jobs because the real economy cannot afford it. I say forced to because who is obligated to implement the minimum wage is dependent on the wording of the new law. That the old law only included OPS above 25 staff does not means the new law will. Already Today NGF has stated 70k is their limit and OPS has said 60k is their limit.

Take a step to pause and think before you post because I don’t see what you are posting in all these multiple posts that is fundamentally different from what I posted.

The bottom line is our issue is low productivity. You cannot pay what you don’t have and your cannot live a life you have not earned. It will catch up with you. No food for lazy man is not just a joke we say, it is the reality of life. Either way you slice it. It is either the economy cannot pay the minimum wage increases even if a small section can or they mandate and enforce it and it leads to inflation and or job loses. It boils down to the fact that the GDP per capita which paints a picture of a people with low productivity.

PS: I never said I worked part time, what I said was I had 2 full time minimum wage jobs. 2) I got to know about which class of workers are covered under the minimum wage via a guest on TVC……video below. If you made such a post I never saw it. I don’t read every post on Nairaland only those who come to my attention because they appear on my mention. The only thing I will admit to is that as an employer myself, I didn’t actually know the full details of law until I saw her interview and checked.

Take this and rest whether you agree or not. I am tired of rehaarshi f the same thing over and over for the last week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuU8x1iZeXo?si=Jo4dh-BhQpxfWzLh


This is the cause of our disagreement.

You say minimum wage will effect the economy negatively because you believe it's for nearly every worker in Nigeria.

I said not true because those to receive it are more in the public sector who like politicians depend on government revenue to demand for wage increase. They're less than 1% of the entire workforce in this country not enough to make any difference.

Now here's the truth about the private sector and minimum wage. Most of the workers in that sector are employed to work in either small or medium scale enterprises which constitute the largest employer of labour in Nigeria and they usually employ less than 25 workers and so exempted for now unless the law is amended . The ones that have 25% either lie about their staff strength or deliberately choose not to pay. Nigerians are both corrupt and lawless.

Large scale enterprises with the capacity to employ more than 25 staff have the means to pay even above minimum wage to their lowest paid staff. So it's not a problem for them and most have already increased their workers salaries without waiting for any minimum wage announcement from government.

So the question is who are those paying it in the private sector?

Almost nobody is the correct answer

If almost nobody is going to pay it in the private sector unless there is an amended, how can it affect the economy as you believe it would?

Please respond to this and ignore every other thing in my other replies before this.
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage Talks: Labour Considers N100,000 As Tinubu Issues Ultimatum by triplechoice(m): 4:05pm On Jun 07
casualobserver:


Nobody is “guaranteed” consequential adjustment because there is no law that mandates it. It happens by normal practice or by implication that is why you often see other unions going on strike once a minimum wage has been approved.

You are contradicting yourself. I have stated it many times that Labour is not fighting for the Nigerian worker, they are fighting for Government workers. I have also stated that the majority of Nigerian workers will not be affected by the Law and that if they are forced to, many will lose their jobs because the real economy cannot afford it. I say forced to because who is obligated to implement the minimum wage is dependent on the wording of the new law. That the old law only included OPS above 25 staff does not means the new law will. Already Today NGF has stated 70k is their limit and OPS has said 60k is their limit.

Take a step to pause and think before you post because I don’t see what you are posting in all these multiple posts that is fundamentally different from what I posted.

The bottom line is our issue is low productivity. You cannot pay what you don’t have and your cannot live a life you have not earned. It will catch up with you. No food for lazy man is not just a joke we say, it is the reality of life. Either way you slice it. It is either the economy cannot pay the minimum wage increases even if a small section can or they mandate and enforce it and it leads to inflation and or job loses. It boils down to the fact that the GDP per capita which paints a picture of a people with low productivity.

PS: I never said I worked part time, what I said was I had 2 full time minimum wage jobs. 2) I got to know about which class of workers are covered under the minimum wage via a guest on TVC……video below. If you made such a post I never saw it. I don’t read every post on Nairaland only those who come to my attention because they appear on my mention. The only thing I will admit to is that as an employer myself, I didn’t actually know the full details of law until I saw her interview and checked.

Take this and rest whether you agree or not. I am tired of rehaarshi f the same thing over and over for the last week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuU8x1iZeXo?si=Jo4dh-BhQpxfWzLh

The 25 staff still stand unless it's amended. Are they making attempt to do so ? No.
So what are you taking about.

Instead of accepting your mistake, you are doing everything to prove you are correct when you're not.

Provide evidence from the last minimum wage increment or any other one to support your claims that strikes usually due to consequential adjustment, or you just shut up
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage Talks: Labour Considers N100,000 As Tinubu Issues Ultimatum by triplechoice(m): 3:57pm On Jun 07
casualobserver:


Nobody is “guaranteed” consequential adjustment because there is no law that mandates it. It happens by normal practice or by implication that is why you often see other unions going on strike once a minimum wage has been approved.

You are contradicting yourself. I have stated it many times that Labour is not fighting for the Nigerian worker, they are fighting for Government workers. I have also stated that the majority of Nigerian workers will not be affected by the Law and that if they are forced to, many will lose their jobs because the real economy cannot afford it. I say forced to because who is obligated to implement the minimum wage is dependent on the wording of the new law. That the old law only included OPS above 25 staff does not means the new law will. Already Today NGF has stated 70k is their limit and OPS has said 60k is their limit.

Take a step to pause and think before you post because I don’t see what you are posting in all these multiple posts that is fundamentally different from what I posted.

The bottom line is our issue is low productivity. You cannot pay what you don’t have and your cannot live a life you have not earned. It will catch up with you. No food for lazy man is not just a joke we say, it is the reality of life. Either way you slice it. It is either the economy cannot pay the minimum wage increases even if a small section can or they mandate and enforce it and it leads to inflation and or job loses. It boils down to the fact that the GDP per capita which paints a picture of a people with low productivity.

PS: I never said I worked part time, what I said was I had 2 full time minimum wage jobs. 2) I got to know about which class of workers are covered under the minimum wage via a guest on TVC……video below. If you made such a post I never saw it. I don’t read every post on Nairaland only those who come to my attention because they appear on my mention. The only thing I will admit to is that as an employer myself, I didn’t actually know the full details of law until I saw her interview and checked.

Take this and rest whether you agree or not. I am tired of rehaarshi f the same thing over and over for the last week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuU8x1iZeXo?si=Jo4dh-BhQpxfWzLh

I have insider information. Consequential adjustment is a must for those to receive it. This is not the first time minimum wage is to be increased in Nigeria. Haba.

You like making baseless claims. Ask those who are civil servants around you they will informed you better.
Politics / Re: How Is Minimum Wage Calculated ? by triplechoice(m): 3:53pm On Jun 07
theowane:
That will be the job of the National Salaries Income and Wages Commission and it will depend on the Conolidated salary structure. The higher your Grade level, the lower the percentage increase. For example, in 2019, when the minimum wage was increased to 30K, the consequential adjustment for core civil servants ie Consolidated Public Service Salary Structure (CONPSS) was:
GL 07 -23.2 per cent, GL 08 -20 per cent, GL 09 – 19 per cent, GL 10 – 14 is 16 per cent, while GL 15-17 is 14 per cent

This very correct

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Politics / Re: Minimum Wage: I Can't Afford To Pay N100000 To Each Of My 4 Drivers - SGF Akume by triplechoice(m): 12:51am On Jun 07
jojothaiv:
Akume is not bright neither are the people who will try to defend him after this are smart too.

Idiots many for 9ja sha
Someone up there has already defended him with " Either way he is right or sending a message"
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage: I Can't Afford To Pay N100000 To Each Of My 4 Drivers - SGF Akume by triplechoice(m): 12:45am On Jun 07
casualobserver:


I suggest you take your own advice and read the minimum wage act. If you did you would realize that the law Doris not even apply to the majority of Nigerian workers in the first place. Labour is fighting for government workers and even in that space they are really only fighting for federal workers.

Again read the law. I have posted the relevant sections numerous times over the last few days. The law does not apply to majority of workers and is not enforceable by law to the majority of employers.

Either way the SGF is right or at least is sending a message about the real Nigerian situation. He has 4 drivers because the government is paying for it. Government workers represent only 0.6% of the population. If he were a private citizen he wouldn’t employ that many drivers.

Either way whether as a public official or as a private citizen, nobody needs 4 drivers. This is the point I have been making that we are unproductive and many people owe their jobs to lack of productivity and low wages. If we are forced to be productive or wages are forced to rise, many jobs will go because there simply isn’t the money In the economy in both the private and public sector.

You're just confused. Which in either way? The SGF is referring to his personal driver he employed himself and not the ones employed and assigned to him by the government. Is the government is personal business for him to complain if they were the ones that employed them. You can only deceive yourself not me.

I already made references to the minimum wage act , and even posted some section of it on this forum long before you did, and I remembered informing you of it and asking you to Google it when I read you making some ignorant statement concerning the minimum wage law in a thread where you claimed to have worked in part-time in the UK. But you forgot and now lying you knew all about it when you never did.
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage Talks: Labour Considers N100,000 As Tinubu Issues Ultimatum by triplechoice(m): 12:18am On Jun 07
casualobserver:


That will come later through consequential adjustment. They usually have to fight their own seperate battles for that.It is usually backdated.

That said all this we are talking both minim wage and consequential adjustment only applies to certain workers. I would say only federal workers are guaranteed. Many states will not pay. As for private sector, many will lose their jobs as a result or it won’t apply to them in the 1st place.

See the picture below (section 3:1)to know those who all this noise will definitely not apply to.
Another misinformation. Every worker in the public sector both at the federal and state level is guaranteed consequential adjustment. Did you not read in the minimum wage act that no other employer apart from the federal government has the right to negotiate minimum wage with their employees once it's signed into law?

In the private sector, a lot of businesses are exempted to the extent that only a very few are left paying it ,and those ones are large scale enterprises who have the capacity to pay their lowest paid staff more than minimum wage.

So in the private sector it's almost like nobody is paying it Most small and medium scale enterprise in Nigeria have less than 25 staff in their payroll and because of this are exempted. Many will not lose their jobs as you assume.
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage Talks: Labour Considers N100,000 As Tinubu Issues Ultimatum by triplechoice(m): 11:55pm On Jun 06
casualobserver:


Exactly, everybody will start going on strike for what is called consequential salary adjustments. Those on 100k now will want N300 etc. Doctors will strike, ASUU will strike eventually by the time this is over everybody’s salary except the 99’% who do not work for the govt. but they will have to deal with the inflation caused by the less than 1%

By the time the dust settle the N100k can’t buy what it can buy today.

Don't comment on things that you're in the dark about and misinform the public .

Nobody or group of workers can just demand what they want as consequential adjustment. It's always the responsibility of the federal government to provide a template for the adjustment immediately the new minimum wage is signed into law for everyone in the public sector to follow. And it's has never led to any strike.
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage Talks: Labour Considers N100,000 As Tinubu Issues Ultimatum by triplechoice(m): 11:25pm On Jun 06
Babysho:


I apologize that I called you names but you came in hot saying I was giving wrong analysis when I was actually backing my arguments with real economic theories. Whereas you were just making your theories out of thin air.

You're gaslighting saying I am agreeing with you somewhere which is false. The one place I agreed you was 2 mentions ago where you said the govt must cut their salaries.

But now, you're even forming new theories in a bid to win an argument in an issue that's so dire. Why not listen to my own theories by known philosophists, you can even Google it and then counter with your argument.

"Cost of living cannot be stopped from rising" - Triplechoice.
My answer - Inflation can and has been reduced everywhere in the world time after time! When Supply is higher than Demand, you stop inflation. Interest rates, Good investments/Infrastructure and Productivity are ways to improve supply.

"Inflation is normal" - Triplechoice
My answer - When Supply = Demand which is equilibrium, that is what is normal.

"If you're have no experience doing business in Nigeria and have employed anyone to work for you, then you still have a lot to learn before teaching anything" -Triplechoice.
My answer - Business is not Economics. Maybe don't argue about economics with actual Economists?










1. I said cost of living or inflation cannot be stopped from rising. You have just replied with, "Inflation can and has been reduced " But I said it can only be managed. Did I not say so? So tell me, what's the difference between "it can only be managed" and what you just replied with?

2. When I say inflation is normal, I'm referring to the rise in the cost of living as something to be expected in any country where economic activities are going on and there's a government to influence things, and not what you think.

3.Economics theory are founded on human behavior which is very difficult to predict. That's why they're not as reliable as those of the exacting sciences like chemistry or physics.

And so, using your brain as a file card for such economic theories or principles and rehashing them in your head in order to give predictions about the future can become like guess work sometimes. What you're saying now about minimum wage and inflation in Nigeria,, was the same others , (you included, I suspect so) said 5 years ago when Buhari was about to signed a new minimum wage of 30k: "It will lead hyperinflation, and the economy will collapse, Nigerian will turn to Zimbabwe" blah blah. But here we are again, 5 years after,the same predictions are being made everywhere , and in another 5 years you will still come up with same talk . Is the current economic climate due to the expired minimum wage of 30k? No. But the economic policies of the current government.

4. Finally, you may not need to own a business or employ anyone, but at least have some practical experiences working with businessess in order to put to practice what you have learnt so you can fully understand it better if not you're no different from a trained marriage counsellor who's never married trying to counsel those who are married or about to, on how best they can make their own marriage work. That's pure nonsense
Politics / Re: Minimum Wage: I Can't Afford To Pay N100000 To Each Of My 4 Drivers - SGF Akume by triplechoice(m): 9:31pm On Jun 06
opeldavid:
4 drivers? Why so u need 4 drivers?
Let me guise, 2 drivers for oga, one for madam one for the kids. Omooo ..see wastage. Can you start your own company and employ 4 drivers to yourself.

Don't mind him. He's lying to ridicule labour. As a private individual he is exempted from paying minimum wage to that number of drivers.

If he doesn't know the law , then he doesn't deserve that position he's occupying.

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