Aemmyjah:


Francistown
Come o
Come and help your atheists brothers
They are highly confused
Even contradicting one another

Can u answer these

Please stop quoting me with your waywardness. Discuss the op,then I will answer you. I said I'm not an atheist and I have repeated that at different times here. Are you deaf or something?

Answer these below if you know what's spirit . Just focus on the op.

1. What's spirit?

2. What's the nature of spirit.?

3. How do you know it exist despite your believe it cannot be seen or measured physically ?

4. What's the relation or connection between spirit and the material world and yourself?

5. Clearly explain how spirit compares with a computer software.

Answer the above or ask your friend TenQ who claims to be an authority on spirits to answer it for you, and let's proceed on mature and sensible discussion,not this childishness from you.

The questions asked by TenQ are completely asinine as it as nothing to do with spirit or God described in the Bible. He should take his computer talk to the right section since he doesn't want to be honest. Your friend is lying about the true intention behind his questions and you're here defending and covering for him instead of condemning him of using deception to discuss God or spirits



Nobody has ever demanded for a direct physical quantification of a computer software before they buy it or install it in their machine,and that's because, even though
it can't be seen or touched, we know it exist as something that produces visible effects which anyone can see whether you believe in it or not

So it won't make sense to demand for physical quantification. But for spirit, the public doesn't know much about it . So it's wisdom to ask for some form of physical quantification to be certain it exist as real. Your friend is misapplying knowledge to fool people like you who refuses to think or question anything.

I already answered his questions ,and ask him some questions in return while doing so, but he has refused to respond in kind.

So why should continue ? Don't bother me if you can't get him to answer the questions I and others have been asking him . A teacher who's afraid to take questions from students doesn't know the subject very well.

TenQ:

Just as Grief and Life is Tangible according to you,
What if I tell you that the Soul is tangible, what will you say?

Note: the effects of the soul on the body are
With our soul we feel emotions,
With our soul we have volition
With our soul we have intellect


I am using your logic now o!

Your lying and not using my logic correctly. I said grief can be described as tangible without mentioning how yet.

You should have asked me how grief is tangible before jumping the gun.

jaephoenix:

The funny thing is his fellow cretarded theists are applauding him, like he's their champion. That shows their reasoning is just poor

. They just want to give moral support ,not caring if he's making sense or not.

And what did you expect from people who don't know what's a proof or evidence for something .

TenQ:

Do you agree that It is a stupid definition (from a real point of view) : it only makes sense as a figure of speech.



What can be appraise as tangible:Grief!?

How do you measure the grade of tangibility?

So when something makes sense as a figure of speech you can't make sense of it to know what's being referred to ?

A computer software is not tangible, but it makes perfect sense to describe it as that when you consider the visible effects it produces. That's how we know it exist without measuring it directly. This is simple science that a person who claim to be an expert is struggling to understand. SMH

Your problem is that you want a word to mean only what you want to mean despite evidence to the contrary, and that's because of the personal agenda you're pursuing on this thread.



What visible effects does spirit produces for you to compare it to a software. That's all
If you're not able to mention that ,then please take your display to the right section and ask your questions there. You're derailing the thread. Maybe it's about time the mods are invited to intervene since you don't want to be honest.

This is religion section and the subject under discussion is spirit. Discuss that if you know it and stop hiding behind something to prove another thing that's not related to it in any way It won't work here .

Your friends have by their comments shown you're indirectly explaining spirit or God,but you continue to deny it, and you're a Christian?

Modified. You want to measure physically another person's grief before you know they're grieving.? Nonsense.

budaatum:


Triple, I am an atheist, yet I can agree with the bold depending on context.

Say, I were to believe and claim to worship God, but can not be bothered to love my neighbour because my neighbour does not believe what I believe or has a different point of view to mine, it could be said that my belief in God lacks spirit and is therefore intangible..

Just throwing it out there that one can worship God in tangible spirit, as by thy fruits suggest.

Yes ,it will lack it

alizma:
Don't be fooled, they are looking at it from annual base not monthly.

. Who tells you that?

This is not the first time government is reviewing minimum in this country. Look to what happened in the past to understand what's going on now concerning the negotiations

StillDtruth:


Actually, their love for evil and their hatred for God is what prevents them from immediately seeing that they are been deceived with Lies.

John 3:20 describes what happens to people who love evil.

20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light

And you can't see that you're commiting evil by judging and condemning others. What happens to judgement is for God and thou shall not judge?

TenQ:

I agree with you.

They have trusted the Charles Dawkins and co that they don't even bother to ask questions before joining the atheist bandwagon

The irony.

TenQ:

I do NOT explain spirit/soul to atheists UNLESS they can comprehend basic physical real life concepts

Haba. Calm down. I said I'm not an atheist. You keep ignoring this, why?

If you won't explain it ,why are you here? This thread is about spirits not computer softwares. There's no where it's written down that to understand spirit you must know what's a software. You made that up yourself ,and it's a very dishonest way of escaping from doing what you should do.

Using your logic,I can also affirm that if you can't comprehend what's oxygen in biology you can't understand what's spirit. Spirit is not intangible as you think. It depends on how it manifest,and there 're different manifestations of spirit. Spirit from a material point of view, simply means energy.

If you're not going to discuss spirit,then forget it and thanks for your time and the insults too.

You just can't assume that another person can't make sense of what you haven't even started to discuss or explain .I can also assume you don't really know your subject very well hence you're afraid to discuss it so your incompetency is not fully exposed.

emperor4love:
Clowns ,we no need ur 700k,implement 50k mk e near realistic to implement by fg nd governors, dis ppl use naija de cruise

Neither the 700k nor your 50k suggestion is realistic.

Ekakamba:

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Sanction for person wey full blown useless immunity cover?

Read the full article first

Tonytonex:
let them be realistic na.
Some states governors are Owings months of salaries.
With 30k.
Talk more of 700k plus.

The governors owning months are thieves.

Why don't you ask how come some are even paying more than the minimum wage?

helinues:
Something that is yet to be approved.

Which kind of yeye labour leader be this

Why you nor go talk nonsense wen to read and understand dey hard u.

Go look 4 beta work do . 30k wey u dey receive to talk nonsense na poverty salary .

imagrg:
These people get sense so?

Don't they know this will heighten inflation in the country?

Minimum wage should be gradually increased. It should start from 60k.

Na only you get sense. The government wey wan increase am dem nor get sense reach u.
Clap 4 urself Mr sense

TenQ:

Tell me how you think the Spirit /Soul can be explained to an Atheist who think that any Reality that is not Tangible is FICTION?

Is a Spirit/Soul Tangible?

What's your definition of spirit first? I need to know that so I know we're on the same page and know where to start from

TenQ:

I have not even discussed spirits one bit.

I have only focused on software and find that all you Atheists were grossly inadequate in knowledge. You could have asked Google or even ChatGPT for answers but you chose to wallow in your self delusions.



When your understanding of the what is known is sound, you are now prepared for understanding of what is unknown.

Still referring me to as an atheist shows you don't take your time to read me before
replying.

And the bolded is you trying to hide behind something very silly. Incompetent people are known for hiding behind that to hide their incompetency. It's a well known tactics, and you can't put me down with it.

There's nothing about spirit that's unknown, especially for someone like me. You're mystifying it because it's still a mystery to you. Everyone is not you and I'm certainly not you.

If you claim to know something and refuse to talk about it ,how can anyone know if you really know it?

A computer software and spirit are not the same kind of reality. And so saying that one needs to know the former before one can understand the later,is equally as illogical as declaring that if one can't make sense of levitating in a dream how can one make sense of flying a plane in the waking state.

There's no logicality in your thinking Mr computer software wizard. You're just blinded by your knowledge of softwares and can't see beyond that. That's all.

If you don't know the limitations of your knowledge, then you have a problem.

And to talk about chatGPT, shows that's exactly what you're doing to have something to say here. I don't do that. I'm not you

TenQ:

I am glad you admit that through TenQ, your foolishness is entertaining your adversaries

You have more of insults to dish out to others than to teach what you claim to know very well.

Extending your expertise in computer softwares into areas you're not competent to speak on is overreaching yourself. Such behaviour is not something anyone should be proud of. It simply shows you don't know the limit of your knowledge. You can't be an expert in everything. That's why they say, nobody knows it all. You can't know it all.



Every knowledge has its limitations and for that you cannot use your knowledge of computer software to interpret or explain what's spirit to make those not familiar with that reality understand it in the very limited way you do.

Since they haven't seen spirits themselves,their minds won't move past a computer software to understanding what it's. In other words, a computer software analogy becomes a barrier to understanding for such persons.



If you want to discuss spirit, then discuss spirit by first of all ,defining and explaining it after
which you look for something that compares to it in certain ways to make your description clearer to others . That's how to teach something correctly.


I announced at the beginning when I quoted you that I also subscribe to the idea of spirit,but our understanding of it is different .

But sadly enough, you didn't pay attention. You assume I'm an atheist and the next thing is name calling and insults directed at me . That's transferred aggression


Insults and name calling won't help you teach others anything,especially when they didn't insult you first . Instead it would prevent others from learning from you.

You really need to change your attitude. It's working against you.

TenQ:
Atheists of Nairaland have all come to a conclusion that the following are tangible realities
1. Life
2. Mathematics
3. Software Code within a machine
4. Information
5. Logic

There was even one clown who says that Grief is tangible. His evidence is that Webster definition says
/Her Grief was tangible and he seem not to know that it is a figure of speech.


Who will deliver them from this Ignorance Induced shamelessness?

Cc:
Budaatum LordReed jaephoenix triplechoice

When you're done fooling yourself to entertain your fans, I hope you have the sense to focus on the op and stop derailing the thread with your deception.

StillDtruth:


Your actions says you are!

It's only a slowpoke that judge others only by their "actions" without giving a though to the intentions behind the "actions"

You lack the neural development to understand the reasons or reasons behind my actions hence your wrong conclusion about me.

TenQ:

You probably dont know who an atheist is

Perhaps you may want to read more from what I wrote your friend:

I will read it once you tell me that you have started taking the medications to boost your very low 1Q that's making you to churn out nonsense conclusions.

TenQ:

You have all betrayed your ignorance of common observables like
Information
Mathematics
Software and
Life.

Your level of intelligence is worth re-evaluating!

I didn't betray anything. In fact I been observing very well how you continue to demonstrate your level of intelligence for the whole world to "commonly observe it
Your low IQ is a "common observable " Meet a doc to prescribe some IQ boosting pills to boost it .

TenQ:

What is the name of your Deity

I don't own a deity. I'm a deity and we're all deities.

TenQ:

Because anyone who cannot comprehend this common simple truth is too immature to comprehend deeper things

. You have failed already. We now know your god is as simple as a software that can easily be destroyed. I mean your on god not that of other Christians who know how to respect others they discuss with

StillDtruth:


Wrong! The same way you people can switch and claim that you are not talking about spirit or you are talking about spirit, is the same rigbt TenQ has in stating what he is talking about.

So if he says he has not mentioned spirit you.have to address him there.

But i an free to thnk that he is definitely talking about spirit and he can correct me if he wants to.

What is good for the goose, is good for anoher goose.

But I'm not atheist.

StillDtruth:


We are not!

Actually, he has gotten you all to say exactly everything we told you when you people were arguing that spirit does not exist.

And you.have said them making exactly the.same arguments we gave you.

So, TenQ laid a trap and you all walked into it confessing the very things you denied!

Good . So you admit he' has been lying he has not been talking about spirits indirectly.

You just came to expose his deception. Thank you every much for this and I hope he reads what you just said


Nobody fell into any trap, if we did,we wouldn't expose him

TenQ:

No sir:
You are not Worthy of the knowledge: because you cannot even comprehend mundane "physical" things, how much more spiritual

Silly talk.

Like saying if one cannot comprehend how to levitate in their dreams,how can one comprehend what it means to fly a plane . What's the connection.

How does a knowledge of softwares connect with spirit and God.

No logicality in your thinking at all, and that's why you easily believe

budaatum:


He's being disingenuous and dishonest I think, or perhaps he wants to convince us his God does not exist. He sure has given us enough evidence to presume it doesn't.

And even admitting unknowingly that his god was created by humans just like a software .

LordReed:


LoLz. Mathematics doesn't have physical proof? You are a fucķing clown. Bwahahahahaha!

You're chatting with someone who doesn't know what's a proof of something. He only knows one thing and doesn't know that proof is synonymous with demonstration.

He wants to see a picture of intelligence before he accepts someone in front of him is demonstrating intelligence through what they say and do

TenQ:

See how stupid your articulation sounds.

I have not even once related software in a machine to soul or spirit. All I've been knocking into your thick skulls is that
1. There are REAL existences that are not TANGIBLE!
2. Anything that is TANGIBLE must have either a mass , a dimension or energy and can relate with time.
3. It is stupidity to require a Physical proof of that which is not tangible.
4. I gave other examples of INTANGIBLES that are nevertheless REAL
a. LOGIC
b. MATHEMATICS
c. INFORMATION
d. LIFE
5. Then I gave a challenge for you to find a physical means (measurement of mass, dimension, energy) by which you can measure these real intangibles like Software, Logic, Mathematica nd Information

Unfortunately, I see that Atheists are the most shallow human beings who think Softwares in a Machine is tangible.

No wonder, atheists reach nonsensical positions which is the manifestation of their shallow minds


Sorry, I am not to give pearls to Pigs.

Again my Challenge to Atheists:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?
2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?

Then ,Why have you been acting irresponsibly by derailing the thread with something that has nothing do with the topic under discussion, spirit?

Why don't you create your own thread and invite those whom you want to invite?


If you're not using all of these as an extended metaphor for spirits or God,why are you directing your questions specifically to atheists whose position negates spirits and God ?



If your intentions are what you say they're,why are you acknowledging the commendations of fellow believers, including the JW? Why not just tell them it's not about spirit so they focus on the main?

See , you can fool some,not all.

Your ignorance of what an extended metaphor is, is why you think you can fool everyone.

You can continue to play the ostrich. That's your business .

I'm sure your fellow believers are getting very embarrassed seeing how you're now trying to foolishly deny what they have been praising you for.

My friend this thread is set to take us to the land of spirits and goblins. So, please take your discussion about software to where it's much needed. Thank you

Modified. Let me paraphrase your nonsense below

If a God is not tangible, i e, it cannot measured in terms of mass, dimension, energy and time, does it prove it doesn't exist?

It doesn't prove it doesn't exist,but it proves it doesn't exist here in the material world. It's very possible it exist only in your head. That's all

If you know all of the meaning attached to the word, tangible, you don't need to be told how stuoid your question is. If something is not tangible at all. It doesn't exist anywhere to even talk of measuring it

The confusion with the word tangible is that it can be used both literally and figuratively to refer to things we can experience both within and outside of ourselves.

By touching it with the hand literally or by feeling or sensing it not with the hand..

We can't touch it but we know or sense it's there,.So it's tangible .

A software is" tangible" because we know or can sense it's there within our device,if not nothing happens.

TenQ:

Aim:
That some Things exist which are NOT tangible is the aim!

Using a computer software as an extended metaphor for your god and denying it at the same time is dishonest behavior .

When the word ,software, in your questions is replaced with Spirit or God, your deception is easily exposed.

You can't use your knowledge of computer softwares to interpret how the god in the Bible exist. Doing so is ridiculing yourself, mocking and limiting your god by equating it with a man made object, softwares.

Spirits and God or gods are classified as supernatural, while computers science is classified as both natural science and social science depending on the field.So your comparison is inappropriate . Interpreting and explaining what's called supernatural requires something much more than your amateurish display.

A computer software is created by humans and by that we know it exists even though we can't touch it physically. It's not compulsory that it must be touched , measured , or even tasted like salt directly before it can installed in a machine.Those considerations are important to you because of what you're doing and denying; Your very poor attempt to prove as real something you think exist , but not bold enough to mention .

Is spirit or God created by humans just like a computer software? Can it be destroyed easily just like a software?

If you answer the above questions honestly it will help you see how you fumbled.

Budaatum patiently interacting with you has made you believe you had something goimg to brag about and insult everyone with.

TenQ:

Go take care of yourself!

Your advice isn't needed. Use it yourself