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budaatum:
No, Triple, I did not "created a thread where you advertised AMORC". I created a thread where I shared information about Amorc.

And yes, "the thread in question is still visible on your profile", or you would not have been able to screenshot it, nor ask others to screenshot it, nor provide a link to it.

I presume this is the thread, though there are a few more, so correct me if this is not the one you meant.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis

It can be seen on the second page of my threads.

You have failed.

And you not making sense

Just provide a screenshot of the second page of your topics on your profile showing where that particular thread is visible.

Provide evidence and not explanation to create confusion in the minds of those reading.

The thread in question was created in 2009 and so, the only place it can be found is Page 7 and no where else.

SpencerForbes:
I still don’t get the bone of contention. That’s he’s part of (AMORC) or they deleted the thread🤷‍♂️

He's a part of Amorc but pretends to be a pure atheist to mock others as foolish and gullible for subscribing to beliefs he himself secretly promotes on this same forum.

When I confronted him for his intellectual dishonesty he denied being a member of Amorc and claimed he only quote them just like he quotes the Bible and the Qur'an.

But when I provided evidence of him advertising Amorc to recruit new members he secretly went to hide it from public view from his profile and back to demand for link to it suggesting I cloned his past post.

By the time I returned to his profile to get the link to the thread from which the post was taken It had disappeared.

And because of my inability to provide the link he started calling me a liar.

Now ,two years after the incident when I thought we have both forgotten about it and have had several amicable discussions on other topics , he resurrected the issue to continue from where he stopped calling me a liar again. Why?

And so, to clear my name,I asked questions and gut to know what he did to hidr it and why.

He should stop harassing me on this matter. I didn't accuse him falsely. My accusation is backed by evidence which he hid.

budaatum:
Oh! I see you beat me to it and have provided a link to a thread you claim I hid. Thank you very much.

The thread did not vanish on its own, as I have elaborated above along with how it got unvanished, for which my gratitude to the mods is immense.

Below is the process I went through too to get it unvanished, and hope the mods don't mind me posting it here.

Oga you have failed

@Lordreed , check your screenshot again and see that the thread in question is not there.

If it appears now, then it can only mean one thing and you know the answer

Use this link to get to ",The Mission" thread where I first posted it
https://www.nairaland.com/7731741/mission#124067609

Search for it . It's on the first page.

One final question for Budaatum:

Did you in 2009 created a thread where you advertised AMORC?

If you did,

Is the thread in question still visible on your profile?

A simple Yes or no will do.

@Deepsight, @Lordreed @Seun @Mynd44

A Call to Action and Verification.

I am now appealing to the forum owner @Seun and moderators, Mynd44 and the others, to please investigate this matter officially. Please look into the moderation logs for the 2009 thread in question and determine how and why it was hidden from public view on Budaatum's profile. The truth needs to be established once and for all.

To the Nairaland Community: You can verify key parts of this yourself.

1. You can see the promotional post I saved from 2009.
2. You can see that clicking the moniker on it leads to the original thread.
3. You can then go to Budaatum's profile, navigate to his "Topics" starting from Page 7, and confirm for yourself that this thread is missing from the list where it chronologically belongs.

The evidence is there. The thread is alive. But the access to it has been surgically removed from his public record. I have presented my case. The ball is now in Budaatum's court to provide a credible alternative explanation, and in the administration's hands to help uncover the final truth. This harassment must end.

Thank you all especially Lordreed who came out with his screenshot to get this started

The Overwhelming Circumstantial Evidence

Budaatum now claims I have no "proof" he was responsible for hiding the thread. He is technically correct that I cannot produce a screenshot of him contacting a moderator. However, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming and points to only one logical conclusion:

The thread was publicly visible on his profile for 14 years.
It vanished immediately after I exposed its contents and he became aware of it.
The thread is still a live thread on the forum, proving it was not automatically pruned or deleted by the system. It was deliberately hidden.
He had a clear motive to hide it: to destroy the evidence that proved my accusation and to create a "catch-22" where he could demand a link to a thread he had made inaccessible.

This is like a murderer being found standing over a victim with a smoking gun, only to argue, "You didn't see me pull the trigger." The absurdity he wants everyone to accept is that the thread vanished on its own, coincidentally, the moment it became evidence against him.


@Deepsight , Lordreed, Seun, Mynd44.

This is the most critical part of this expose. please focus on it.


Here's the direct link to the hidden thread. I was only able to reach it by clicking on his moniker in the post I copied from it


https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4312040

The "Smoking Gun" and its disappeariance..

In June 2023, during a debate, I proved my claim by retrieving evidence from his own profile: a thread he created in 2009 where he advertised AMORC, provided links to download their introductory materials, and encouraged new members to join. This was not a neutral quote; it was promotion to recruit new members.

The sequence of events after I presented this evidence is critical:

1: Acknowledgement & Diversion. He first acknowledged the post was his but claimed the link in it was "invalid."


2: The Evidence Vanishes. When I returned to his profile to get the direct link to the thread, it had completely disappeared from his "Started Topics" list. It had been on Page 7 (2007-2010 topics) for over a decade, but was now gone. It did not simply "get lost"; it was made invisible from public view.


3: The Secret Update. Later, through a technical workaround (clicking his moniker on the saved post), I discovered the thread was not deleted, but still active and accessible by direct link in the post I copied. I also found that after claiming the link was invalid, he had secretly visited the thread to update it. Yet, it remained hidden from his profile.

To be continued

budaatum:
Dude, those topics are from 2009.

Below is buda's first thread in 2006 when buda joined Nairaland after migrating from the defunct Nigerians in America.

https://www.nairaland.com/20054/buda-atum-watsup-nia#552953

And here is like buda's third post on this forum.

https://www.nairaland.com/30729/there-no-god/1#713031

The time will come for you to defend yourself.

Allow me to present my case first and after you can occupy the thread and say what you like.

Here we go

Introduction

My initial accusation was simple: Budaatum, who presents himself as a staunch atheist critic, is in fact a long-time affiliate of the esoteric order AMORC (The Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis). He uses his atheist persona to mock others as "gullible" while secretly belonging to a group that teaches about an "invisible Great White Brotherhood" and other spiritual concepts.

Why bother at all if it is just the above and even disturbing everyone with it

This part is very crucial and will explain why I say so.

This exposure is not because Budaatum is a member of AMORC. If my goal was to shame members of that group, I would be targeting others on this forum as well.

This is happening for one reason only: he crossed a critical line of intellectual honesty.

I told him directly that I value authenticity and that he should be himself in debates. Instead, he chose to hide behind a fabricated atheist persona to mock and discredit me, while secretly belonging to an organization that holds its own spiritual beliefs.

When he refused to stop this hypocrisy, I called him out. I provided evidence, and after a long dispute, I chose to drop the matter.

He is the one who resurrected this issue two years later to rewrite history and paint me as a liar. My response now is to set the record straight, once and for all. This is about holding him accountable for his deception, not his affiliations.

He is the one who resurrected this issue two years later to rewrite history and paint me as a liar. My response now is to set the record straight, once and for all. This is about holding him accountable for his deception, not his affiliations.

To be continued

Hello
DeepSight, Lordreed, Unknownunkown, AOO1, Guobe, naptu, Racoon, Antichristian, MaxinDhouse, , Meedon, lawani, Produh, OLAADEGBU, Fxmasterz, SpencerForbes, Jesusjnr2020, Kobojunkie, Ken4Christ, Truthseeker10, SmartPolician, sow4me, ReacherSaidNoth

I will proceed now with the exposing the evidence.

I already typed since yesterday everything I want to detailed here.

In the main time, take note of the image below it is from Budaatum's Profile . It contains the topics he created when he joined this forum around 2007.

It will help you make sense of what I am about to reveal.

@Seun . Mynd44

Meedon:
I don't think you have any problem with that?

@Meedon , don't leave yet. The exposure starts now.

One person I can trust just did what I instructed.

With this, It won't be possible to change anything. The evidence stands.

@Lordreed, Please I am counting on you to get this done.

Once you tell me you have clicked on his moniker heading the post to take you to where it was originally gotten from I will proceed with the next stage.

Thank you and thank you

And please ignore Budaatum even if PM

budaatum:
You missed out links, so let me help you.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/downloads/Mastery_of_Life.pdf

No . I don't need your help.

@Lordreed, Please ignore Budaatum for the now and follow the directions I have given. He wants to create confusion. If the process is not followed you won't make sense of what I want to reveal

@Lordreed, please follow the steps I gave. Ignore Budaatum. He wants to create confusion.

budaatum:
You missed out links, so let me help you.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/downloads/Mastery_of_Life.pdf

No. Please don't interfere. The more you this, the more you expose yourself

LordReed:
I have screenshot the requested pages.

Thank you and Thank you.

You alone is enough.

But one final thing left

Click on Budaatum's moniker in his post below. It will take you to where it is gotten from. . That's all

This has nothing to do with Buda's gender

[quote author=budaatum post=4312040]About The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC

THE ROSICRUCIAN TEACHINGS enable people to find themselves, turn their lives around, and influence the universe. We are educators, students and seekers devoted to exploring inner wisdom and the meaning of life. We offer an ancient time tested system of study and experimentation, which reveals the underlying principles of the universe. Our method offers practical tools applicable to all aspects of life.

The Rosicrucian teachings allow individuals to direct their own lives, experience inner peace and leave their mark on humanity. It is for this reason that we urge our members to remain committed to the investigation, study and practical application of all natural and spiritual laws for the attainment of Health, Happiness and Peace to the glory of God, the betterment of humanity and the evolution of the soul personality.

https://www.nairaland.com/7731741/mission#124067609

Please use the above link to see where I posted it first and click on it.

It's in the mission thread page one

Here on page one. Click on his moniker "Budaatum" it will take you there

budaatum:
Evidence for what exactly? Do you want me to post the same screenshot you've already posted and that anyone can go to my profile and see for themselves?

Dude, please get on with the exposure! The suspense is killing me!

No you can't pressurize me , and I think you're missing the entire point or pretend not to understand it.

The purpose of having independent members take screenshots is to create a verifiable third party record that cannot be manipulated after I reveal what to look for.

You as the subject of this investigation, cannot be that independent verifier. And so, your offer is meaningless and misses the point completely

Your claim that you will post "the same screenshot"anyone can see doesn't make any sense. You cannot repost my screenshot as it is timestamped from a different time.

Furthermore, I did not ask for only page 7 which I posted as. example, I asked for Pages 1,5,and 7 . Your failure to follow simple instructions is telling.

And your sudden eagerness and feigned impatience, "The suspense is killing me!", coming after the same you once declared concerning this that "you don't really care" and not "relevant" is a. clear attempt to gaslight me into rushing. You hope to bypass the safeguards I have put in place to prevent you from tampering with the evidence yet again. It won't work this time around.

Your past behaviour is the very reason I cannot trust you and why this process must be followed. You hid a thread for two years and only admitted it was still active when you were cornered by technical evidence.. You have lost the benefit of the doubt

So, I will not be rushed, pressured, or emotionally blackmailed into changing my steps. The process stands. I will proceed when independent members have secured the evidence, not a moment before. Your role here is not dictate terms, but to wait for the evidence to be presented against you

The more you try to control this, the more guilty you appear.

brain54:
Chai...

They definitely have a thing in common for confusing people about their gender.

I'm certain I saw a post of badaduun where she/he admitted to being female. She even accused me directly of "looking up her skirt" when I expressed my shock at finding out she was female. Which made me leave her completely as I didn't want to be accused next of sexual harassment. Since then I have avoided him/her like a plague.


If kobo is a man na that one go shock me pass and I would hit my head 3x on a tree. An iroko precisely.


I've always suspected something weird about kobo's gender though to be honest. I think it's not male or female but something in between. Like a cross or bobrisky weird kind of confusing situation!

I have been on this forum long enough to state this with certainty: Budaatum is male, not female.

My first account was created in 2006, long before the "Nairaland Tsunami." The account I use now was created after that event, in 2010. I have witnessed the history you are missing.

Only those unfamiliar with his long history on this platform are misled into believing he is a woman or an atheist. So no, you did not shock me. Your reply was simply based on incomplete information.

However, his gender is ultimately not the relevant issue here. If it were, I would be calling out others who engage in the same behavior. This is about something far more specific

budaatum:
I confirm I have successfully taken and saved the screenshots.



Mods, please, in case you are tempted, do not delete this thread. Thank you.

Stop the foolery.

You can confirm Indeed!

Where's the evidence you have?

Meedon:
Let's wait for the others as they gathers the supposed screenshot.

Ok. No wahala

Dtruthspeaker:
😱😱

Anyway, you did not know

Are you in @Dtruthspeaker?

Would you like to be part of those who will carry out the independent verification of the evidence?

What I am expose affects too, not only me.

It also threatens the credibility of the forum.

I have the evidence for this. I am not joking about this

Meedon:
The conditions you gave is too much for me. If you can't do the exposure without all these, then I'm out.

Thanks.

It is not too much. I only asked you to visit his profile and screenshot the bottom topics on pages 1and 7 and share it here' publicly. That's all.

You will need it for the verification of the evidence yourself.

But if you're not willing to do this, no problem. I will wait for any other independent person that will do so.

Thanks

MaxIntheHouse2:
The mod blocked me but just ignore budaatum that's what i have been doing to her after discovering she has nothing tangible to say!

Thanks again for your reply.

After I am done with the exposure which proves beyond any doubt that he, not she, is a member of the secret cult Amorc but posing as a pure atheist, I will block him forever.


I just need one independent person now to visit his profile to take a screenshot of pages 1 and 7 and post it publicly and I will proceed immediately.

What I am about to expose ,which is more than his atheist disguise, affects you and everyone here he has interacted with . It even threatens the credibility of the forum hence the reason I mentioned @ Seun and moderators.

If Budaatum believes he has nothing to hide, I dare him to post the screenshots of those pages publicly and not hide it in the link he created.

He won't do so because he's not sure of what I want to expose.

He thinks he's smart but he's not.

MaxInDHouse:
This is really childish!

How can you take what someone here on faceless social media say so personal nah?😟

Haba!

Many have said a lot against me while some have said good things about me too to me nothing is at stake after all it's just what each person feels so far so good only one thing i defend on this forum:

The only true religion.

Whoever thinks i'm important is wasting his or her time because i am not seeking my own glory, in fact all the people that have asked for my personal information i always direct them to Jehovah's Witnesses telling them that once you've met Jehovah's Witnesses you've found MaxInDHouse!😟

Thanks MaxinDHouse for your response.

I didn't take it personal. Budaatum did.

The problem began in June 2023 and for peace sake,I have forgotten about it after that time. Both of us have had several amicable discussions on other things without quarrelling ever since then

But surprisingly ,just last week, two years after,budaatum resurrected the matter and again to rewrite history and claimed I lied the first time which is not true.

He wants to change the narrative and turn the tide of public opinion against me.

I wanted to ignore him at first but after considering the fact that he brought back the issue for no valid reason, I said to myself that I need to clear my name so he stop harassing me with it again in the future.

I haven't yet presented the full story yet and the reason I am doing this

I will do so later and call you

Meedon:
Where is the thread for your expose

Here

https://www.nairaland.com/8566179/appeal-investigate-hidden-evidence-harassment#137550260

Visit the thread through this link to get further details on what to do for the verification of the evidence .

Meedon:
I'm earnestly waiting for his exposure of Budaatum... Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Hello @Meedon,

I mentioned you already on the thread I created for the exposure.

Please I would like you to confirm you now have screenshots of those pages from his profile.

Some persons have PM me they only want to follow this privately and so won't participate openly. Once I get enough confirmation I will proceed.

Thank you

As soon as five or six of the members I have listed confirm in this thread that they have successfully taken and saved the screenshots, I will proceed immediately to the next stage and reveal the full evidence.

Anyone else can join this

Thank you

brain54:
I'm not jumping into conclusion to anything...

I don't even understand your post.

But obviously I no shock you!

That's why I asked you to hold on. Follow the instructions I gave and save what you screenshot on your device

Thank you

Something like this

The below is from page 7.

Focus on the topics at the bottom, not the top.
At least the last 5 or six topics on the Pages I mentioned and save them.

brain54:
I would borrow a line from your post...

I don't know what you are talking about and it doesn't concern me. I don't even understand what you are saying and I don't care honestly.

I just want to shock you small. Budaatum is a she and not a he.

E shock?

Whether she or he, it doesn't concern me.

This is different. Wait for it and don't jump into conclusion yet

To: The Nairaland Community,

I am writing to expose a years-long campaign of deception and harassment by the user Budaatum. This is not a minor personal quarrel. His pattern of hypocrisy, false personas, and intellectual dishonesty has affected nearly everyone he has engaged with on this forum.

For years, he has maintained the upper hand because the public was unaware of the truth behind his behavior. He operates behind a veil, using a fabricated atheist persona to mock and belittle others while secretly promoting the very spiritual doctrines he claims to reject.

This is why I am appealing to every one of you. Please do not dismiss this with, "It doesn't concern me," or "It's between you and him."

He has weaponized this fabricated atheist persona to savagely attack his opponents, particularly religious users, whom he takes pleasure in referring to as "gullible," "not using their brains," and having their "eyes not open"


Once you are armed with the knowledge I am about to reveal, it will protect you from future harassment, insults, and manipulation. This exposure is for the integrity of our forum and for the defense of every user who values truth.

Therefore, before I can present the full evidence, I need your help to ensure the facts cannot be altered or hidden. The integrity of this exposure depends on capturing the current state of Budaatum's forum profile right now.

I am therefore making an urgent request:

Please visit Budaatum's profile immediately.

1. Go to his "Topics" section.
2. Navigate to Page 1, Page 5, and Page 7 of his started threads.
3. Take full-screen screenshots of these three pages and save them to your device.

This action is crucial. It is not a random request. There is specific, damning evidence on one of these pages that proves my case. By having multiple independent users capture this data now, we create a verifiable record that cannot be erased or disputed later.

I cannot yet disclose the exact nature of this evidence because I do not want it to be tampered with, as happened before. Once I am confident that a sufficient number of you have secured these screenshots, I will proceed with the full, detailed explanation.

This is not a witch-hunt. It is an exposure of truth. For this reason, I have decided to formally involve the owner of this forum @Seun to be the chief judge in this matter, assisted by the moderators.

Your cooperation will ensure that the truth is finally revealed and cannot be hidden again. Thank you.

Cc
DeepSight, Lordreed, Unknownunkown, AOO1, Guobe, naptu, Racoon, Antichristian, MaxinDhouse, , Meedon, lawani, Produh, OLAADEGBU, Fxmasterz, SpencerForbes, Jesusjnr2020, Kobojunkie, Ken4Christ, Truthseeker10, SmartPolician, sow4me, ReacherSaidNoth

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold"
W.B.B Yeats.

The timing and escalation of these attacks ,Kebbi, Kwara,and now Niger state, are highly suspicious. It feels as though certain elements opposed to this government are deliberately provoking a situation that would compel Donald Trump to act

Should that happen, not only would it disrupt 2027 elections, it would also unleash chaos across the country with consequences that could dwarf the Libyan conflict

Let me clarify that this is not a defense of President Tinubu, I am not his supporter , it is an observation of a dangerous geopolitical game being played .