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budaatum:
Mention me too please. I wouldn't want to miss it.

I will surely do that. Thank you

budaatum:
Provide evidence please, so that I can not deny it.

Why bother since you "don't really care and it's not "relevant "

The evidence is for the owner of the forum, the moderators and those following,.


I will never accuse anyone of anything without evidence.

The evidence I provided two years ago you deny it later,after acknowledging it initially. The evidence of this strange behaviour of yours is still there for everyone to look at.

So, I can't trust a dishonest person like you to be an honest judge in your own case.


The technicality you have been relying on is now useless. It won't save you this time around.


Nothing can be hiding under the sun. The truth will come out from everywhere.

Meedon:
My concern now is with his or her gender

When I am done with this issue, we will look into that together.

I will mention you tomorrow once I start exposing how he hid the evidence two years ago. You're going to shocked. I can guarantee you that.

budaatum:
You are not important enough for me to bother mentioning you everywhere, and nor can you provide evidence that I am mentioning you outside this and relevant threads. Or can you?

But I suppose you'd again claim that I deleted or hid the evidence, considering the immense powers you've claimed I have.

The most important thing is that despite your "I don't really care" you continue to mention me proving you care and not at peace with it.

You hid the thread through the assistance of a mod. You can't deny that.

How you did it will be revealed soon for those following to see the extent you went to conceal evidence. The verification will be done publicly. Just wait for it

Shameless.

budaatum:
Do you think triple understood what he quoted?

Go on. You have a go and tell if his understanding is the same as yours.

Silly and foolish attempt at gaslighting.

@Meedon, don't let him make you ignore the evidence I have presented.

And ask him if his actions on this thread are the instances of what he means by "quoting" AMORC

I have warned you already of his assessment of your judgement. So, open your eyes.

budaatum:
I'm not at war with triple. Nor do I think I'm disturbing the peace from reigning.

We fell out not agreeing about our opinions of near death experiences.

Ref:
https://www.nairaland.com/7726647/near-death-experience-atheist-professor/7#123900432

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/36#116555518

Stop lying,

We didn't fall out because you criticized my views. We fell out because of your intellectual dishonesty, which I called out. You were not the only one on the that thread I disagreed with, so stop this desperate attempt to reframe the issue

This thread is another, "Smoking gun" that proves everything I have been saying about you. You can't ask any mod to hide this one. Others have already seen it and commented.

You claim you "don't really care", and that this is not "relevant" to you, "it won't take money from your pocket" .Yet , you won't stop quoting and mentioning me everywhere. Your action betray your words, proving you are not at peace with it.

When you started this nonsense two years ago, I told you that you had " murdered sleep". That statement has turned out to be prophetic.

You're the one who resurrected this issue, proving you are still not at peace with it. Your conscience will continue to give you sleepless nights until you confess the truth .

@Meedon, and everyone else following, this thread is another confirmation of my accusation. Here, Budaatum promoted AMORC's core doctrinal beliefs by sharing books that contain them. And reacted angrily to anyone who questioned the claims in those books.

This is not the behaviour of a neutral "quoter". But that of an advocate and a promoter of the group's system of beliefs, all the while cynically posing as an atheist to attack others.

The evidence is now undeniable.

budaatum:
My dear long time friend Vaxx is not neutral where buda is concerned. Just stick both our monickers in the search and read our history to know.

By neutral , I mean is not a member of your secret cult.

DeepSight:
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All mystical orders by their very nature are rooted in what is called or seen to be hidden knowledge, and this is the real definition of the word "occult" - it refers to knowledge of the hidden.

I know this, and you're very correct about this

However, my concern here' is with the term, "hidden fact", not "hidden knowledge" derived from hidden facts.

We all know that a fact is something that exists, is verifiable and is open to investigation. I acknowledge that data about something can be hidden or suppreressd so the public remains unaware of it

But if I claim the knowledge contained in a book I wrote is derived from "hidden facts" that exist in a secret location only I can access, would you believe me or take my word for it without bothering to know about the facts?

This is the crux of the matter concerning the book,"The Mystical Life of jesus"

budaatum:
So, if buda find "a fact that is hidden" buda must not share it with vaxx? Is it by not bibliographing that they hide what they know, and more which they can't know so can't bibliograph anyway? Is it not so you do not know the little they do know that they don't bibliograph the little that they know? Is it not true if buda don't mention to vaxx what buda find buda will be hiding from vaxx, a sin for which is hell, for no one who finds a good thing shall hide it? If buda do not share with vaxx with whom shall buda share? Or do you assume that all that is known is bibliographed?

No, buda shall not wait for bibliographs before buda shares with vaxx what buda finds that might be hidden to vaxx! We will write what needs to be bibliographed so vaxx can see!

Vaxx , a neutral person has identified the fatal flaw in your entire worldview with one simple brilliant sentence:


" You don't claim a fact that is hidden"

Your lengthy reply to this, which obviously angered you like a true believer was a masterpiece of evasion, designed to confuse this fundamental point.

A fact is by definition, verifiable. It can be examined, tested, and added to the body of public knowledge. This process requires what you mock as bibliography, the system of citations and evidence that prevents us from simply making things up in , "one's head and believing" it like you often like to repeat.

A hidden fact is a contradiction in terms. It is an unverifiable claim., in fact; it's not a fact at all. It's an article of faith.

So, for this, you, Budaatum,,, is not a brave sharer of hidden truth. You mocked bibliography. A strange behaviour from someone who claimed to be wildly read and enlightened.

You used the language of sharing while being part of a structurally secretive organisation

Your statement, ",we will write what needs to be bibliographed ", is ultimate admission of this.

You place the doctrine of your group, Amorc, above the methodology of knowledge. You believe your beliefs are so true that they don't need evidence, they will simply become the evidence. This is coming from the same person, you Budaatum, who declared in the other thread, " I hate beliefs " Lol

There's no skepticism here, no science, no history, but dogma.

And your desperate convoluted defense of it, which attacks the very concept of provable facts, is the another evidence that proves me right about what I have been saying concerning your pretenses

@Deepsight, come read Buda defending Amorc "hidden facts.

@ Meedon, come see your friend budaatum defending or may be , "just quoting Amorc " like he just "quote the Bible

Meedon:
She made mention of, "Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, from 1915 until 1939."

She?
Budaatum is not a she but an older man living outside the country. The female persona he hides behind in the romance section is just another one of his many disguises, a long standing pretense used to mislead people on this forum.

This is not an isolated incident. It is part of an 18- year pattern of deceptive behaviour on this platform. Pretending to be an atheist, pretending to be a woman, these are not harmless quirks. They are the hallmarks of a pathological need to deceive. He has lied about his identity for so long that he may have even started to believe his own fabrications.

It is a sad state of affairs, and frankly, he's to be pitied for being trapped in his own web of lies
This pattern is precisely why we cannot take his word on anything, especially regarding AMORC. His entire defense rest on the claim that he was "just quoting"them, like the Bible or Qur'an.


So, I ask you directly; Has he ever provided a single example of such a neutral quote?

Ask him to show you and judge for yourself if his passionate defense and promotion ,like a religious fanatic , of AMORC was merely " quoting"

My core accusation remains, untouched by his numerous diversions and misinterpretations. He has a documented history of promoting AMORC, confirming his attachment to the group, and then hid the evidence when he was exposed. The hidden thread which contained his promotion, is the "smoking gun".

So I ask:

Have you checked the link I shared with you, where Budaatum passionately promoted and defended AMORC like a religious fanatic to see the evidence for yourself and judge if it is" just quoting it "

Will you agree to be part of the group that will independently verify the further evidence I will provide?


@Seun , here is it again.

Hiding it again, would only mean one thing, and believe you know

Thank you

Who is the mod hiding my replies?

Please stay clear out of this so you don't become complicit in a case of cyber bullying. Cyber bullying is a criminal offence under Nigerian laws. Please stay clear. My replies are without any insult or abusive language so why hide it?


@Seun please call your mods to order. Moderators are expected to be neutral and not take sides.

Someone here has rresurected a quarrel from the past to frame me as a liar. Tell your mods to let the public read my own side of the story to know the truth. A story that's incomplete is a lie.

Your mod leaves behind Buda' s own side of the story but hide mine.

Why?

How can the public know truth.


I will repost it again and read it @ Seun and please tell me why it should be hidden.

If you don't respond,I will call you out on x .


Thank you

Meedon:
Okay.

No , It is not okay Meedon, and please don't accept his deflection. Budaatum is trying to manipulate you.

You asked him a simple, "yes or""no", question:

"Are you a pioneer"?

Instead of giving you a direct answer, he gave a flippant and sarcastic response, "If you ask triple, he'd likely say yes"

Notice that he didn't answer your question. His reply was a deliberate attempt to influence your subconscious mind. He's trying to reframe in your mind a serious, evidence -based accusation, into a ludicrous caricature, hoping you will dismiss the entire issue as a baseless fantasy. Don't fall for it.

He often engages in this behaviour because he considers others fools who cannot think for themselves , and he is now trying to manipulate you into siding with him

To confirm the truth yourself, I challenge you to ask him this directly;

" Please show me past instances where you have just quoted Amorc like you do with the Bible or Qur'an"

He has repeatedly used this defense of "just quoting Amorc" yet he has never once provided a single example of such neutral quote
.

And please understand that promoting a group is not exclusive to its "pioneers". This is common sense. One does not need to be a pioneer or a founder to be a promoter or a dedicated member. If you consistently defend and organisation, share its own exclusive materials written for members, and actively encourage new friends, people to subscribe and join, you are by definition, promoting it. Budaatum's attempt to reduce the argument to this absurd extreme, pioneer or nothing, is intellectually dishonest. He used this tactic with you based on his assessment of your judgement .

My accusation was never that he is a "pioneer" hence the reason he promoted it. My accusation is that he has a documented history of promoting and defending AMORC, and never criticising them, and then hid the evidence when he was called out for presenting himself solely as an atheist critic

I have since obtained additional information confirming how he hid the thread which proves I haven't lied about this

So, based on all this, I will be requesting for your assistance later in the day to perform a verification check on the information I will reveal. You will not be the only one. Others will be joining us to verify the facts independently .

Use the link below to see for yourself how budaatum once "quoted Amorc", and please come back and tell me how it aligns with "just quoting it"he has been claiming.

https://www.nairaland.com/4793988/mystical-life#72173050

Thank you

budaatum:
Seriously, you are funny, but I don't really care if you believe me or not, triple, nor does what you think I am concern me one tiny bit.

Think about it. Of what relevance is your belief whether I am an atheist or not? Does your belief take money from my pocket or put money in it? Or is it that you think you can write whatever you want about me and others will believe you instead of using their own senses?

Do note that I quote the Bible and the Quran too. It will confuse you more, I guess

It seems you missed the escape route I offered you. Since you've chosen to ignore it, let's pause the back--and-forth and simply observe the pattern that has emerged from your behaviour. It tells a story far more clearly than any of your denials.

Your actions are communicating the following loud and clear;

When you resurrect a two -year -old argument you claim is ,"irrelevant", you're saying, "I am not at peace with this. This exposure troubles me deeply, and I am desperate to rewrite the narrative"

When you acknowledge a post initially as yours, then see it vanish, and then demand a link to it, you are saying, "My actions aren't those of an honest person with nothing to hide"

When you promote, defend, and advertise AMORC's doctrines, but hide or deny your affiliation, you are saying, "I am ashamed of this affiliation, or I know it would damage my credibility. I must present a different face to the world to maintain my position "

When you respond to documented evidence with, "I don't really care " you',re saying, "I have no factual defense. My only remaining tactic is to pretend this doesn't matter, hoping you will grow frustrated and stop "

When you equate quoting the Bible or the Qur'an as a scholar or Skeptic with promoting AMORC as an advocate, you're saying, I believe the people watching are fools who cannot tell the difference between critical analysis and fervent promotion"

You may tell yourself that you don't care, but your behaviour, your return to this battle, your evasions, your misdirection, screams the opposite. It shows a person who cares very much about protecting a fragile facade

A person at peace, who "don't really care" , doesn't fight this hard to avoid a simple truth.


You have "murdered sleep " by reopening this wound. And now like Macbeth, you're haunted by the consequences of your own actions, staring at the blood on your hands that everyone else can see clearly.

"Lay on Macduff, And dammed be him that first cries " Hold, enough!"



Coming up tomorrow

The reasons why Budaatum is denying his AMORC affiliation and posing as an atheist.

It's not conspiracy. What you will read is backed with evidence you can verify yourself.

Come back here tomorrow.

budaatum:
I think you are confused and can't admit it. Imagine reporting my own post to moderators to disappear or hide it, and then asking those same moderators to reinstate it when I want. Do you seriously think the moderators will have time for such nonsense?

If I want you to join an organisation, I wouldn't just post a thread, but will also attempt to communicate with you offline so I can better convince you.

Thankfully, you don't really want to bust me here or you'd have posted that communication already, or would have convinced one of the others you claim I recruited to post my communication with them. It's after all not that buda is so powerful and effective that not one person buda attempted to recruit would not have said no, and be willing to oblige you. Right?

I guess I could have asked you to sign a non-disclosure agreement before contact was made, which you wouldn't go against because you fear what I said I'd do to you if you dared.

Then imagine asking me for a link to a post you already acknowledged as yours. It's irrational behaviour which exposes you.

The normal order is:

Me: "This is your past post where you advertised AMORC"

Budaatum: No , it's not me . How can I promote AMORC. when I am atheist. I only quote them. That's all. I think you edited my past post to claim what I will never do

Me : But it is from a thread you created long ago.

Budaatum: Provide the link then so everyone confirm you haven't edited a post of mine.

New Act. Scene 1

But you did the opposite in June 2023 . Acted irrationally and in confusion when confronted with your past.

Me: "This is your post where you advertised AMORC.

Budaatum . Yes But the link to it no longer work for me to revisit it .

Me . Put it's your own creation.

Budaatum: Silence

Me: hello

Budaatum: silence

(The next day)

Budaatum: Ok, where is link to the thread let me go see it and confirm.

Me: What's the need when you can simply engage with it

Budaatum: until you provide the link,I won't be engaging with it.


Criminals will always leave a trial behind. The trail you left behind was how you acted irrationally due to guilty conscience.

How often do forum members ask for links to their past post when confronted with it.? Nobody does that.

The fact you did is telling of something.

And how were you able to assess it yourself later after claiming the link is invalid?

Questions you will never answer.

So, between the two of us, who is now making sense?

I don't need your answer. It will never be honest

budaatum:
Here the link, for those who wonder.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books

The books are free. And I find them interesting.

For those tempted to merely believe, note ignorant naked enslaved Adam, and learn from non-brlieving use her senses Eve.

Damage control after two years. It won't work.

budaatum:
So, buda has supernatural powers? Though seriously the above is rather meaningless, I say.

Triple, please tell everyone that buda has these supernatural powers. If they fear I can disappear them they might perhaps, well, I can't think of anything yet, but I'm certain you telling everyone will come handy for me some day.

Your attempt to intentionally misinterprete the word , "disappeared", as refering to supernatural powers , is as laughable as it is pathetic. You're not fooling anyone with this childish deflection


The context of my statement unambiguously included your control over your own content and the ability to report it to moderators. Any reasonable person understands that in this context, " disappeared" clearly means the thread was removed or temporary hidden from public view through moderator action .


This is a standard function on any forum. You know this, I know, and everyone reading this knows this.


Your decision to pretend otherwise is deliberate diversion, and the last resort of someone who has been caught in a lie and has no legitimate defense. You want to change the subject because you cannot address the facts.


You acknowledged the post was yours. The thread subsequently vanished. You then demanded a link to the evidence you had just made inaccessible .

You're too old for these games. Address the substance of the accusation or admit you have no answer. Your farcical pretense since you rresurected this issue only serves to confirm your guilt.

budaatum:
No, I am not a member of AMORC, and have never paid subscriptions nor dues.

I have answered this question even in this thread when you first posted it, but you can't accept my answer because it invalidates what you want to believe.

I do find their books interesting but not to be believed, as shown by my opposition to reincarnation, which you claim to be a belief of Rosicrucians, and which I categorically oppose, because, when you die you are dead.

No. You haven't directly answered it before now.

Besides, I know that members of AMORC actively hide and deny their affiliation for some reasons I was about to post until I saw this.

Based on that, and given your past activities advertising and promoting the group, it will be difficult to believe you.

And no pure atheist will ever promote the teachings of a private esotrecu group life AMORC.

So, I still don't regard you as an atheist. It's my opinion and don't allow it to bother you.

budaatum:
So, I did not delete what you claimed I deleted after all like you have as evidenced below!? You do know you can also read my numerous post where I specifically quote the Bible and Quran too, as evidence of "incompatible with a strict atheist's viewpoint"? In fact, I have a thread on atheist viewpoints, sort of, a fi think it's as dumb a statement as claiming Christians have a "strict viewpoint".

That blurb is from the book itself, and I think you read only the bread and disregard my many other posts, and this despite you recognising how contradictory I am. That's why you redefine me as a non-atheist so you can justify calling that post an advert, "to the glory of God". Most readers are not like you, and will not read only one of my threads but most of my posts, and will put that in its proper context, coming from a person who categorically states, gods are figments of your imagination.

Many Nigerians are obsessed with Rosicrucians, I find. And I've also found some of their books to be rather interesting. That thread was in the context, to provide their books and information for free. It is not an exhortation to join in any way, and nor have I ever asked anyone to join. In fact, no one has ever contacted me on this issue of joining, probably because of what you post, which delights me, as you help me accomplish my goal.

Pity you had to be a hypocrite and delete your valuable posts though, a crime you accuse me of but have now found evidence to show your claim is untrue.

https://www.nairaland.com/7731741/mission/7#124154889

Makes me want to claim your principles are fundamentally incompatible with a the viewpoint of yourself that you promote, but I'm going to mind my eyes before minding yours.

Readers, I have written more about myself in this thread than almost any other, mainly showing how my own father was sucked into unprofitable subs to Amorc that my dear hard working mother paid for. And Triplechoice and contributors inadvertently, helped complete the mission, for which gratitude due.

Do know that I, and Triplechoice, I bet, are better off for reading quite a lot about Rosicrucians in order to understand, in my case, my own father who was obsessed with this stuff for years like it was a drug, and now I think of it, it might explain my insight of the '[i]Eve saving Adam from ignorant naked slavery' mantra you'd find in some of my posts, for I think my mother saved my dear father.

Ignorance is not bliss. And it is expensive too. So seek knowing please. It frees, and is usually free.[/i]

Hehehe

This is a desperate and clear attempt to create a false equivalence, and it won't work. You're drowning and clutching at straws, trying to equate it, a technical cleanup with your own deliberate campaign of. deception .

Go back and take a closer look at the screenshot you posted and observe that empty posts carry the same date and clearly the same timestamp.

Why?

Because my response to someone on the thread was duplicated multiple times due to network error. I deleted the redundant copies to clean up the thread. The content remained public and consistent

But your case is completely different and reveals a guilty conscience.

1. You made a post promoting AMORC.

2. When confronted with it, you acknowledged it as yours, but claimed the link invalid.

3. You then returned to demand I provide the link to the very post you had just acknowledged.

4. I went back to. retrieve it and found it has mysteriously vanished.

The only logical conclusion was thad you having control over your content in Nairaland and the ability to report it to the moderators were responsible for it's disappearance

Now, the most damning evidence of all: the thread reappeared. Upon reviewing it, I discovered that during that period in June 2023 when you claimed the link was invalid and couldn't reach the thread, you posted something in it.


How is it possible for a link in a thread to be invalid while the thread itself is still active and you are posting in it?

Your story was a lie

This is dishonest behaviour, and for a person of your age and supposed intellect, it's truly shameful

here below is a screenshot of the post you made in the same thread. Check the date

Modified. Read again what you wrote below.

You claim I said the link no longer works which isn't true. If I said so , how was I able to assess it?

You were the one who claimed, lied, it wasn't working, not me.

budaatum:
Evidence please!

You demand, "Evidence please!?

What evidence again?

The evidence is in your own documented behaviour which goes far beyond mere quotation.

Years ago, you advertised AMORC to recruit others. You defended the organisation passionately against its critics. And you promoted the book, "The Mystical Life of Jesus", the " Smoking gun" that confirms your affiliation with the AMORC belief system

The book, which you shared a link to download, is a core doctrinal text of the Rosicrucian Order ( AMORC) . It presents the organisation's esoteric beliefs about Jesus as hidden truth based on claims of ", secret records" that are inaccessible to historians but available only to a select few like Spencer Lewis.

Here

https://www.nairaland.com/4793988/mystical-life#72173050

Oh Buda! Thou art greatly deceived but ye don't know it yet.

A genuine atheist would simply dismiss this book as unsupported fantasy. But strangely enough, in the thread you created, you actively shared it for others to download. This was not the neutral act of quotation, but of promotion and advocacy. You were disseminating the foundational spiritual beliefs of your organisation while publicly posing as a skeptic, and an atheist

Despite all this, the simple question you have refused to answer since June 2023 is ,

Are you a member of AMORC?

Your inability to give a straight "Yes or No" for over two years, and even now after resurrecting the issue yourself, is the most telling answer of it all .


So, I ask again using your own words, What " evidence please" are you still talking about?

Who are you trying to mislead and confuse ? Your followers whom you regard as not being able to think, not me.

What's next? Will you claim to be a Christian who doesn't believe in the Bible, Jesus or God, or an IFA adherent who doesn't believe in the Orishas? Is that the absurdity you wish to present despite the mountain of evidence you are attached to AMORC.

Continue to play the ostrich. It's your cup of tea.

Personally, I hate beliefs. My opinion is you believe because you have not bothered to do any research so you may know.

Your loud proclamation that you, " hate beliefs" is perfect example of moral grandstanding performance meant to position you on a pedestal of self proclaimed rationality. It's status play to make you appear uniquely enlightened.

The statement itself is nonsensical. Everyone operates on foundational beliefs, including the belief that our senses are reliable or that the scientific method is a valid tool for understanding the world. To then, " hate beliefs" is in effect to hate a fundamental component of human cognition. It's an impossible and deeply performative stance

Therefore, " hating beliefs is an emotional position, not a rational one. The sensible approach is to evaluate claims based on evidence . The word, " hate" has no place in this process. It is the language of dogma, not inquiry.


And no, you don't " hate beliefs" This is your Squealer performance, your version of the pig in George Orwell's , "Animal farm" ,, declaring , " I dislike apples myself, while hoarding them all. You do like beliefs, but your aversion is highly selective. You don't hate the beliefs found in the" Mystical Life of Jesus " , a book you promoted. You don't hate AMORC 's doctrines concerning the soul, Reincarnation or the , "Great white Brotherhood "


In short, your "I hate beliefs" declaration is no different from a scammer who says, " I hate scams" . A confidence trick designed to secure trust and gain the upper hand , all the while you are actively engaged in the very thing you claim to despise

Also, do you know how difficult it is for anyone to believe anything I say when I am so contradictory?

You are attempting a classic misdirection. My accusation is not that your writing style is philosophically complex or 'contradictory.' My accusation is based on your documented actions: you have advertised for, defended, and promoted AMORC, an organization whose teachings are irreconcilable with the atheist persona you use to mock others.

You are trying to shift the focus from your demonstrable hypocrisy to a debate about whether people find you 'believable.' That is a smokescreen. The issue is your past behavior, not the perceived consistency of your current statements. Stop trying to magically make the evidence disappear and address the facts.

Think about it. One minute I make you believe there is god, then the next I am an atheist? Kind of like the Bible with it's contradictions, if you ask me, the best book for atheist creation if read with an open mind.

No, you have it wrong.. You neither made me believe in a god , nor did you ever convince me you were a genuine atheist. I identified you as an initiate of AMORC , from the very beginning, a person pretending to be an atheist. I said nothing until you decided to extend your deception to me.

Now you are attempting a classic misdirection. My accusation is not that your writing style is philosophical complex or contradictory. My accusation is based in your documented behaviour: you have advertised for , defended, and promoted AMORC, an organisation whose teachings are irreconcilable with the atheist persona you hide behind to mock others

You're trying to shift the focus from your demonstrable hypocrisy to a debate about whether people find you believable. That is a smokescreen. The issue is your past actions , not the perceived consistency of your statements. Please, stop trying to magically make the evidence disappear and address the facts.

Your decision to resurrect this issue means you have murdered sleep.

So, since you have murdered sleep, you must now face the consequences. To paraphrase Macbeth in his final desperate stand, "Lay on Macduff, And dammed be him that first cries " Hold, enough!"

I'm prepared to see this through. The evidence is laid bare. Let anyone who's following this thread judge for themselves .

I will not be be a judge in my own case, and you are incapable of being an honest one in yours .

Therefore, @ DeepSight, please be the silent judge without making your verdict public

I don't want to be believed, triple. I specifically adopt a way of writing such that belief is not the first consideration after reading what I post, which one must use one's own mind to try to comprehend instead of stupïdly ïgnorantly just believing.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/5123700/disbelieve-know#77378178

I didn't say I want to believe you.

And you're projecting

Take your own advice and investigate the claims in the Rosicrucian texts you have shared so you stop believing nonsense .

budaatum:
Evidence please!

Personally, I hate beliefs. My opinion is you believe because you have not bothered to do any research so you may know.

Also, do you know how difficult it is for anyone to believe anything I say when I am so contradictory?

Think about it. One minute I make you believe there is god, then the next I am an atheist? Kind of like the Bible with it's contradictions, if you ask me, the best book for atheist creation if read with an open mind.

I don't want to be believed, triple. I specifically adopt a way of writing such that belief is not the first consideration after reading what I post, which one must use one's own mind to try to comprehend instead of stupïdly ïgnorantly just believing.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/5123700/disbelieve-know#77378178

Do you still remember this statement made about you by AOOI?

Read again, it's not only me, others have observed the same pattern, but choose not to call you out. I myself would have remained quiet if you had not crossed the line

A001:
I don't know what to make of this comment. It's not as if you were ever my favorite nairalander here.

Those I really admire here are some agnostics, atheists, and other irreligious people — people that stay in one place.

I'm not a fan of "a jack of all trades, master of none". The same person is a Muslim, Christian, Freemason, Amorc, traditionalist.

That has been my major issue with your person since the past few years. For a person who's widely read like you, I fail to see the importance of associating yourself with all religions and groups.

But I understand it's your choice.

I will return later to answer your latest evasion, duplicity, and misrepresentation.

KobolanderSegun:
I'm.a Christian, I'm not dividing anyone. Christians need to wake up to their own wickedness and evil. How can anyone in his right mind in a country were we store petrol be throwing banga ? Christian Fundamentalism is real. All the noise churches make is uncalled for. Look at Jehovah Witnesses who are extremely quiet in their kingdom walls. Why must we force everyone to believe in Jesus Christ. Is it religion by force ? Even Jesus did not preach in the city but preached outside the city on hills and by the sea side. Thank God he was civilized and set a very good example.

You say you're a Christian, yet your characterisation of Christian practices and believers like yourself is one of blanket condemnation, using terms like " barbaric", "mad", "deranged"",, "lunatic ". Furthermore, you have argued or suggested it's wrong for christians to convert others.

Is this sarcasm or what?

You have also drawn a moral equivalence between celebratory noise and suicide bombing, a comparison that can only be made by those outside a faith to demonise it.

Your behaviour has made it difficult for someone like me to believe your claim of being a Christian.

A genuine member of a faith community, even when offering internal criticism, does so from a position of shared identity and understanding. Their criticism is typically specific, constructive, and aims to reform, not to broadly condemn and villify their own community by comparing them to the worst possible actors, Islamic fundamentalist.. As the saying goes, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

Honestly, your argument does not read like an internal critique from an insider, a Christian. It reads like an external condemnation from someone using the label, " Christian" as a strategic disguise to lend credibility to a narrative that is ,in fact; deeply hostile to the faith .


This deception has become even more clear in your latest reply. You now state, " Christians need to wake up to their own wickedness and evil". This is a statement made from the third person perspective of an outsider, and "an accuser " , not from the first person perspective of a believer. It confirms beyond any doubt that your claim of being a Christian is a strategic disguise.

This deception matters because it poisons the well of genuine and sincere debate. I regard it as an attempt to make a divisive, inflammatory argument seem like a concerned believer's perspective, whereas the substance of your claims reveals the opposite.

If you want to have an honest discussion concerning public safety and the regulation of fireworks, do so. But please drop the false pretense and the inflammatory inaccurate labels. They only serve to create division and show that you're not arguing in good faith.


However, I am happy the title of the thread has changed from its previous inflammatory one to " Is the use of fireworks a form of terrorism" .



Whether you took my advice or the moderators did the needful , this is a step in the right direction.

budaatum:
Triple, buda has never deleted a post or thread by buda, and you saying buda deleted a post or thread by buda without showing any evidence that buda deleted a post or thread is itself evidence of something.

Every single evidence about buda that you claimed you posted which includes a quote of buda, I presume, is still here for everyone to read for themselves. All you have to do is post a link to you first pointing it out, and letting them go see if buda has deleted it.

Here

budaatum:
About The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC

THE ROSICRUCIAN TEACHINGS enable people to find themselves, turn their lives around, and influence the universe. We are educators, students and seekers devoted to exploring inner wisdom and the meaning of life. We offer an ancient time tested system of study and experimentation, which reveals the underlying principles of the universe. Our method offers practical tools applicable to all aspects of life.

The Rosicrucian teachings allow individuals to direct their own lives, experience inner peace and leave their mark on humanity. It is for this reason that we urge our members to remain committed to the investigation, study and practical application of all natural and spiritual laws for the attainment of Health, Happiness and Peace to the glory of God, the betterment of humanity and the evolution of the soul personality.

Based on this advertisement you posted yourself on this forum years ago and the official teachings of AMORC, it's clear that the order's principles are fundamentally incompatible with a strict atheist's viewpoint

The statement s" to the glory of God , the betterment of humanity and the evolution of the soul personality" in the advertisement, are not isolated phrases but they are central to the order's described philosophy.

Unless you're prepared to publicly denounce AMORC, something I doubt you can do as some of your fellow members are likely following this conversation, then the acknowledgment of divinity and the supernatural is completely irreconcilable with your current atheistic stance.

This contradiction is the reason I maintain that you criticise others for holding beliefs that you yourself subscribe to .

A technical savvy friend advised me on how to retrieve the link. He pointed out that clicking on the moniker in the quote would direct me to the original page it was taken from .

I did exactly that and it worked. But you said no link to it, suggesting I forged it.

Here is the link

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4260336

It is settled now . It is not my business how you choose to live your life, but don't extend your deception to me.

DeepSight:
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From what you wrote, one must fear you for your memory and conclude that you should be a private investigator.

I have been here long enough to know that Buda is pretending to be someone he is not.

The evidence I dug out, something I don't normally like to do, clearly exposed him. But he then deleted the entire thread containing his post even aferr acknowledging that he created it

Honesty, I don't really care about his pretences, so long as he doesn't extend them to me.

And consider this: After our heated exchange in June 2023 , we have had several amicable conversations on other issues without any problem or revisiting the old issue.

Now,, this is November 2025. He has resurrected this same old issue, which I thought we had both moved past, as if it just happened yesterday. He's questioning me angrily about something that's clearly bothering him.

He was the one who disrespected and offended me in the past. But now he wants to use the emotional story about his mother to present himself as the victim and frame me as the aggressor

Which Kain tin be dis now?

budaatum:
Sleeping dogs lie, lol. Greetings, Triple,

Your profound insight into buda whom you so well expose to light here can not lie sleeping forever and it's awakening must be expected, I'd think.

On the bold. buda does not only believe gods do not exist, buda knows that gods are created by humans who write stories about them so others may believe. Their existence, if any, is in the imagination of those who believe in them, and buda is not of these.

Hope that clears up your confusion.

On "serious contradictions". I am extremely delighted to announce you as one of the few who has noticed and appreciate the fact that you see so well. May more use their senses like you use yours.

The below is AI. Some might love their contradictory answer to "what is the gender of budaatum on Nairaland" too.

Answers on postcards please.

Your reply perfectly demonstrates the evasion and deception I described. You completely ignored every point I raised about your hypocrisy regarding Amorc , and instead constructed a strawman debate about the existence of gods , a topic I never discussed.

Let me be clear. I didn't accuse you of believing in God ,but accused you of being a paying member of a counterfeit esoteric order that teaches about the soul and spiritual consciousness, while you pretended to be an atheist to mock others for exploring those same concepts

Your use of AI to celebrate your "contradictions" is not only irrelevant but also misguided. A Chatbot is not a human being with the awareness to understand context or discern intentional philosophy from simple dishonesty.

The issue isn't about complex philosophy or confusion about gender , it's about a simple act of dishonesty: presenting one Identity to your audience while hiding another that contradicts it.

You can hide behind Grok and ChatGPT analyses and theological discussions all you like, but you cannot change the fact that you were caught being hypocritical and deceptive. You have yet to offer a single sincere word in response to that accusation

I am not going to be drawn into the side - tracks and mazes you created to avoided this simple truth

LordReed:
Can you quote where I mocked you on the topic of NDEs?

No. Mockery isn't the right word. It was Unknownunkown who was fully involved in that.

What you did was to question and not mock some of the things I discussed in the " Mind and Matter thread.

My apologies for dragging you into this.

Prudoh:
Wow! I contemplated on joining this Order. This is eye and mind opening

Don't just decide based on what I have said here.

Do extensive research on your own about the organisation. Ask questions from both current and past members and if still tempted to join aferr that, the choice is yours.

budaatum:
You see this? It's funny.

My mother tells how she was earning before my born and my father spent it on Amorc. She hates him because of it because it was she who fed and clothed and housed and schooled us.

Triple! Where did the buda that rallies against tithe according to Grok tell you buda has ever spent a dime of buda money to "pay membership dues in dollars for protection from the so call invisible great white brotherhood , the Amorc"?

Do I seriously sound like one who wouldn't learn from my own mother's koboko?

I think Grok is evil, Triple. In plain sight too than Amorc that is hidden. I love it!

I saw this yesterday and decided to let sleeping dogs lie. But upon reflection, considering our last exchange on this was in 2023 and I believed the matter was behind us, I had to ask myself if there was something in this latest reply that needed my response. I concluded that there is.

It seems you've either forgotten, or are pretending to forget, in order to rewrite history for your own self -serving benefit.

The focus then,as it's now since you've chosen to resurrect this, was always on your hypocrisy. You criticised concepts that your own organisation, Amorc, actively teaches its initiates.

When I used my personal experiences to argue that the concepts of the soul, reincarnation and the phenomenon of NDE are true, even if not yet scientifically proven, others like Lordreed and Unknownunknown criticised and mocked me as well. While their comments were harsh, I was not as offended because they came from a place of sincere disbelief.

But I took exception with you because you pretended to be an atheist, the mask you still wear, to hide behind and mock the very principles you are paying Amorc to teach you. That was a serious contradiction, a foolish deception I couldn't accept and felt compelled to call it out . Your refusal to stop escalated the situation and into the heated exchange we had. I only regret the harsh words I used, but not ever going to apologise for exposing you deception and hypocrisy.

And it's especially for this reason .When I provided direct evidence of your membership to back my claims, what did you do?

You initially acknowledged the posts as yours, stating I had merely reminded you of something you had long forgotten. But then, you dubiously went and deleted the entire thread with the help of a moderator, returning to ask me for a link to the very evidence you had just admitted was yours. It was a clear attempt to deceive the public to make it seem I manufactured the evidence myself .

So, why would you now think after all that I want to be dragged back into the mud with this sad story about your family trauma, the lessons you learnt, and Grok's findings on your views about tithing??

Oh, I see, Buda is against tithing,which he regards as scam. So,, how can the same Buda pay for spiritual protection in Amorc has an initiate ? Is that not a contradiction?

But you're mistaken. You may not see it since no brainwashed person is ever aware of their brainwashing until they pick up the courage to question it

Call it whatever you like, but the truth of the matter is that the mechanism is the same. Tithe, membership dues to cover adminstrative cost, or any other form of financial contributions to a. religious sect or esoteric group are in both cases members paying for something they don't need to pay for or even if they've to pay it shouldn't be mandatory.

Amorc which you're part of promises its initiates spiritual guidance and protection from the imaginary "Great white brotherhood" .
And how does one remain a member?

By meeting up with membership dues and levies that go into the pockets of the organisation's leaders, not to any invisible spirits

Please unpack your brain and think critically . Stop raising this issue with me. With this, I consider my engagement on this matter closed.

Thank you

KobolanderSegun:
The Use of Fireworks and Banga in residential
areas across Nigeria and Around the World to celebrate Christmas and New Year should be called Acts of Terror.

The Nigerian Government has banned Fireworks and Banger several times in the past but I have never heard of Fireworks being seized and confiscated in the ports or being seized from shops. There was a time in the mid 80,s under military rule there were more attempts to seize Banga at the ports.

Fireworks and Banga are very dangerous for a country like Nigeria were people store Petrol for generators and where people use cooking gas that is highly flammable.

The amount of Noise the explosions make is not healthy for adults who have heart trouble.

Some individuals actually throw Banga at women as they walk on the streets.

Through out this year I have heard explosions of Fireworks from January to November. The rate of Extremists Banga throughing is increasing year after year. If this type of extremism is not contained we will run the risk of having fireworks everyday.

In more " so called Developed countries " this barbaric tradition does not hold in residential
areas but licences and government designated zones are created so that fireworks can be exploded by professionals.

I do not expect a lot of people to understand the importance of not using fireworks in residential areas with the hazard it creates in a country like Nigeria were Petrol and cooking gas is stored.

One spark getting near a outdoor gas cylinder can easily set fire to the cylinder and burn the house down . One spark getting too close to a 35 liters plastic container of Petrol can burn a residential area to the ground.

I do not expect many people to understand this because a lot of people are very blind to danger and are too drunk on the wine of tradition and religion

Fireworks is used to celebrate the birth of Jesus and the Christian new year . If it was another religion they would label the barbaric celebrations as violent or terrorist in nature.

I'm a Christian, but this is not Christianity, this is Violence, dangerous and terrorism

No. The use of of fireworks , "Banga" by some Christians during Christmas or any other time is not terrorism, but public nuisance or assault and criminal if thrown at another person just to scare them.

The argument you have used creates a situation where anyone can call anyone else a terrorist based purely on their own subjective feelings of being victimised.

You're free to write articles addressing public safety and the regulation of fireworks , but labelling it as "Christian terrorism" is inflammatory and can only serve to divide us as Nigerians along religious lines.

Kemetian:
You are so naive.

Are you aware the US was implicated in the funding of Boko Haram?

That USAID was used to funnel funds to Boko Haram?

That there was a congressional investigation into this in which it was found that this actually happened?

Now the people sponsoring the insurgency remotely are now flying in to ''save you'' from the problem they themselves generated.

Problem, Reaction, Solution.

The oldest western trick in the book.

Create the PROBLEM (Sponsor terrorist insurgencies in Nigeria from afar)

The people cry out in REACTION over these atrocities. ''Somebody help us!!''

You then impose the SOLUTION (military invasion to ''stop the terrorists'', occupation, destabilization, resource theft, etc) which you had always wanted but could not, without the first two stages.

Problem.... Reaction..... Solution.

Please provide the source for your claim that the US was implicated and found guilty of sponsoring Boko haram