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budaatum:
Seriously, you are funny, but I don't really care if you believe me or not, triple, nor does what you think I am concern me one tiny bit.

Think about it. Of what relevance is your belief whether I am an atheist or not? Does your belief take money from my pocket or put money in it? Or is it that you think you can write whatever you want about me and others will believe you instead of using their own senses?

Do note that I quote the Bible and the Quran too. It will confuse you more, I guess

It seems you missed the escape route I offered you. Since you've chosen to ignore it, let's pause the back--and-forth and simply observe the pattern that has emerged from your behaviour. It tells a story far more clearly than any of your denials.

Your actions are communicating the following loud and clear;

When you resurrect a two -year -old argument you claim is ,"irrelevant", you're saying, "I am not at peace with this. This exposure troubles me deeply, and I am desperate to rewrite the narrative"

When you acknowledge a post initially as yours, then see it vanish, and then demand a link to it, you are saying, "My actions aren't those of an honest person with nothing to hide"

When you promote, defend, and advertise AMORC's doctrines, but hide or deny your affiliation, you are saying, "I am ashamed of this affiliation, or I know it would damage my credibility. I must present a different face to the world to maintain my position "

When you respond to documented evidence with, "I don't really care " you',re saying, "I have no factual defense. My only remaining tactic is to pretend this doesn't matter, hoping you will grow frustrated and stop "

When you equate quoting the Bible or the Qur'an as a scholar or Skeptic with promoting AMORC as an advocate, you're saying, I believe the people watching are fools who cannot tell the difference between critical analysis and fervent promotion"

You may tell yourself that you don't care, but your behaviour, your return to this battle, your evasions, your misdirection, screams the opposite. It shows a person who cares very much about protecting a fragile facade

A person at peace, who "don't really care" , doesn't fight this hard to avoid a simple truth.


You have "murdered sleep " by reopening this wound. And now like Macbeth, you're haunted by the consequences of your own actions, staring at the blood on your hands that everyone else can see clearly.

"Lay on Macduff, And dammed be him that first cries " Hold, enough!"



Coming up tomorrow

The reasons why Budaatum is denying his AMORC affiliation and posing as an atheist.

It's not conspiracy. What you will read is backed with evidence you can verify yourself.

Come back here tomorrow.

budaatum:
I think you are confused and can't admit it. Imagine reporting my own post to moderators to disappear or hide it, and then asking those same moderators to reinstate it when I want. Do you seriously think the moderators will have time for such nonsense?

If I want you to join an organisation, I wouldn't just post a thread, but will also attempt to communicate with you offline so I can better convince you.

Thankfully, you don't really want to bust me here or you'd have posted that communication already, or would have convinced one of the others you claim I recruited to post my communication with them. It's after all not that buda is so powerful and effective that not one person buda attempted to recruit would not have said no, and be willing to oblige you. Right?

I guess I could have asked you to sign a non-disclosure agreement before contact was made, which you wouldn't go against because you fear what I said I'd do to you if you dared.

Then imagine asking me for a link to a post you already acknowledged as yours. It's irrational behaviour which exposes you.

The normal order is:

Me: "This is your past post where you advertised AMORC"

Budaatum: No , it's not me . How can I promote AMORC. when I am atheist. I only quote them. That's all. I think you edited my past post to claim what I will never do

Me : But it is from a thread you created long ago.

Budaatum: Provide the link then so everyone confirm you haven't edited a post of mine.

New Act. Scene 1

But you did the opposite in June 2023 . Acted irrationally and in confusion when confronted with your past.

Me: "This is your post where you advertised AMORC.

Budaatum . Yes But the link to it no longer work for me to revisit it .

Me . Put it's your own creation.

Budaatum: Silence

Me: hello

Budaatum: silence

(The next day)

Budaatum: Ok, where is link to the thread let me go see it and confirm.

Me: What's the need when you can simply engage with it

Budaatum: until you provide the link,I won't be engaging with it.


Criminals will always leave a trial behind. The trail you left behind was how you acted irrationally due to guilty conscience.

How often do forum members ask for links to their past post when confronted with it.? Nobody does that.

The fact you did is telling of something.

And how were you able to assess it yourself later after claiming the link is invalid?

Questions you will never answer.

So, between the two of us, who is now making sense?

I don't need your answer. It will never be honest

budaatum:
Here the link, for those who wonder.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books

The books are free. And I find them interesting.

For those tempted to merely believe, note ignorant naked enslaved Adam, and learn from non-brlieving use her senses Eve.

Damage control after two years. It won't work.

budaatum:
So, buda has supernatural powers? Though seriously the above is rather meaningless, I say.

Triple, please tell everyone that buda has these supernatural powers. If they fear I can disappear them they might perhaps, well, I can't think of anything yet, but I'm certain you telling everyone will come handy for me some day.

Your attempt to intentionally misinterprete the word , "disappeared", as refering to supernatural powers , is as laughable as it is pathetic. You're not fooling anyone with this childish deflection


The context of my statement unambiguously included your control over your own content and the ability to report it to moderators. Any reasonable person understands that in this context, " disappeared" clearly means the thread was removed or temporary hidden from public view through moderator action .


This is a standard function on any forum. You know this, I know, and everyone reading this knows this.


Your decision to pretend otherwise is deliberate diversion, and the last resort of someone who has been caught in a lie and has no legitimate defense. You want to change the subject because you cannot address the facts.


You acknowledged the post was yours. The thread subsequently vanished. You then demanded a link to the evidence you had just made inaccessible .

You're too old for these games. Address the substance of the accusation or admit you have no answer. Your farcical pretense since you rresurected this issue only serves to confirm your guilt.

budaatum:
No, I am not a member of AMORC, and have never paid subscriptions nor dues.

I have answered this question even in this thread when you first posted it, but you can't accept my answer because it invalidates what you want to believe.

I do find their books interesting but not to be believed, as shown by my opposition to reincarnation, which you claim to be a belief of Rosicrucians, and which I categorically oppose, because, when you die you are dead.

No. You haven't directly answered it before now.

Besides, I know that members of AMORC actively hide and deny their affiliation for some reasons I was about to post until I saw this.

Based on that, and given your past activities advertising and promoting the group, it will be difficult to believe you.

And no pure atheist will ever promote the teachings of a private esotrecu group life AMORC.

So, I still don't regard you as an atheist. It's my opinion and don't allow it to bother you.

budaatum:
So, I did not delete what you claimed I deleted after all like you have as evidenced below!? You do know you can also read my numerous post where I specifically quote the Bible and Quran too, as evidence of "incompatible with a strict atheist's viewpoint"? In fact, I have a thread on atheist viewpoints, sort of, a fi think it's as dumb a statement as claiming Christians have a "strict viewpoint".

That blurb is from the book itself, and I think you read only the bread and disregard my many other posts, and this despite you recognising how contradictory I am. That's why you redefine me as a non-atheist so you can justify calling that post an advert, "to the glory of God". Most readers are not like you, and will not read only one of my threads but most of my posts, and will put that in its proper context, coming from a person who categorically states, gods are figments of your imagination.

Many Nigerians are obsessed with Rosicrucians, I find. And I've also found some of their books to be rather interesting. That thread was in the context, to provide their books and information for free. It is not an exhortation to join in any way, and nor have I ever asked anyone to join. In fact, no one has ever contacted me on this issue of joining, probably because of what you post, which delights me, as you help me accomplish my goal.

Pity you had to be a hypocrite and delete your valuable posts though, a crime you accuse me of but have now found evidence to show your claim is untrue.

https://www.nairaland.com/7731741/mission/7#124154889

Makes me want to claim your principles are fundamentally incompatible with a the viewpoint of yourself that you promote, but I'm going to mind my eyes before minding yours.

Readers, I have written more about myself in this thread than almost any other, mainly showing how my own father was sucked into unprofitable subs to Amorc that my dear hard working mother paid for. And Triplechoice and contributors inadvertently, helped complete the mission, for which gratitude due.

Do know that I, and Triplechoice, I bet, are better off for reading quite a lot about Rosicrucians in order to understand, in my case, my own father who was obsessed with this stuff for years like it was a drug, and now I think of it, it might explain my insight of the '[i]Eve saving Adam from ignorant naked slavery' mantra you'd find in some of my posts, for I think my mother saved my dear father.

Ignorance is not bliss. And it is expensive too. So seek knowing please. It frees, and is usually free.[/i]

Hehehe

This is a desperate and clear attempt to create a false equivalence, and it won't work. You're drowning and clutching at straws, trying to equate it, a technical cleanup with your own deliberate campaign of. deception .

Go back and take a closer look at the screenshot you posted and observe that empty posts carry the same date and clearly the same timestamp.

Why?

Because my response to someone on the thread was duplicated multiple times due to network error. I deleted the redundant copies to clean up the thread. The content remained public and consistent

But your case is completely different and reveals a guilty conscience.

1. You made a post promoting AMORC.

2. When confronted with it, you acknowledged it as yours, but claimed the link invalid.

3. You then returned to demand I provide the link to the very post you had just acknowledged.

4. I went back to. retrieve it and found it has mysteriously vanished.

The only logical conclusion was thad you having control over your content in Nairaland and the ability to report it to the moderators were responsible for it's disappearance

Now, the most damning evidence of all: the thread reappeared. Upon reviewing it, I discovered that during that period in June 2023 when you claimed the link was invalid and couldn't reach the thread, you posted something in it.


How is it possible for a link in a thread to be invalid while the thread itself is still active and you are posting in it?

Your story was a lie

This is dishonest behaviour, and for a person of your age and supposed intellect, it's truly shameful

here below is a screenshot of the post you made in the same thread. Check the date

Modified. Read again what you wrote below.

You claim I said the link no longer works which isn't true. If I said so , how was I able to assess it?

You were the one who claimed, lied, it wasn't working, not me.

budaatum:
Evidence please!

You demand, "Evidence please!?

What evidence again?

The evidence is in your own documented behaviour which goes far beyond mere quotation.

Years ago, you advertised AMORC to recruit others. You defended the organisation passionately against its critics. And you promoted the book, "The Mystical Life of Jesus", the " Smoking gun" that confirms your affiliation with the AMORC belief system

The book, which you shared a link to download, is a core doctrinal text of the Rosicrucian Order ( AMORC) . It presents the organisation's esoteric beliefs about Jesus as hidden truth based on claims of ", secret records" that are inaccessible to historians but available only to a select few like Spencer Lewis.

Here

https://www.nairaland.com/4793988/mystical-life#72173050

Oh Buda! Thou art greatly deceived but ye don't know it yet.

A genuine atheist would simply dismiss this book as unsupported fantasy. But strangely enough, in the thread you created, you actively shared it for others to download. This was not the neutral act of quotation, but of promotion and advocacy. You were disseminating the foundational spiritual beliefs of your organisation while publicly posing as a skeptic, and an atheist

Despite all this, the simple question you have refused to answer since June 2023 is ,

Are you a member of AMORC?

Your inability to give a straight "Yes or No" for over two years, and even now after resurrecting the issue yourself, is the most telling answer of it all .


So, I ask again using your own words, What " evidence please" are you still talking about?

Who are you trying to mislead and confuse ? Your followers whom you regard as not being able to think, not me.

What's next? Will you claim to be a Christian who doesn't believe in the Bible, Jesus or God, or an IFA adherent who doesn't believe in the Orishas? Is that the absurdity you wish to present despite the mountain of evidence you are attached to AMORC.

Continue to play the ostrich. It's your cup of tea.

Personally, I hate beliefs. My opinion is you believe because you have not bothered to do any research so you may know.

Your loud proclamation that you, " hate beliefs" is perfect example of moral grandstanding performance meant to position you on a pedestal of self proclaimed rationality. It's status play to make you appear uniquely enlightened.

The statement itself is nonsensical. Everyone operates on foundational beliefs, including the belief that our senses are reliable or that the scientific method is a valid tool for understanding the world. To then, " hate beliefs" is in effect to hate a fundamental component of human cognition. It's an impossible and deeply performative stance

Therefore, " hating beliefs is an emotional position, not a rational one. The sensible approach is to evaluate claims based on evidence . The word, " hate" has no place in this process. It is the language of dogma, not inquiry.


And no, you don't " hate beliefs" This is your Squealer performance, your version of the pig in George Orwell's , "Animal farm" ,, declaring , " I dislike apples myself, while hoarding them all. You do like beliefs, but your aversion is highly selective. You don't hate the beliefs found in the" Mystical Life of Jesus " , a book you promoted. You don't hate AMORC 's doctrines concerning the soul, Reincarnation or the , "Great white Brotherhood "


In short, your "I hate beliefs" declaration is no different from a scammer who says, " I hate scams" . A confidence trick designed to secure trust and gain the upper hand , all the while you are actively engaged in the very thing you claim to despise

Also, do you know how difficult it is for anyone to believe anything I say when I am so contradictory?

You are attempting a classic misdirection. My accusation is not that your writing style is philosophically complex or 'contradictory.' My accusation is based on your documented actions: you have advertised for, defended, and promoted AMORC, an organization whose teachings are irreconcilable with the atheist persona you use to mock others.

You are trying to shift the focus from your demonstrable hypocrisy to a debate about whether people find you 'believable.' That is a smokescreen. The issue is your past behavior, not the perceived consistency of your current statements. Stop trying to magically make the evidence disappear and address the facts.

Think about it. One minute I make you believe there is god, then the next I am an atheist? Kind of like the Bible with it's contradictions, if you ask me, the best book for atheist creation if read with an open mind.

No, you have it wrong.. You neither made me believe in a god , nor did you ever convince me you were a genuine atheist. I identified you as an initiate of AMORC , from the very beginning, a person pretending to be an atheist. I said nothing until you decided to extend your deception to me.

Now you are attempting a classic misdirection. My accusation is not that your writing style is philosophical complex or contradictory. My accusation is based in your documented behaviour: you have advertised for , defended, and promoted AMORC, an organisation whose teachings are irreconcilable with the atheist persona you hide behind to mock others

You're trying to shift the focus from your demonstrable hypocrisy to a debate about whether people find you believable. That is a smokescreen. The issue is your past actions , not the perceived consistency of your statements. Please, stop trying to magically make the evidence disappear and address the facts.

Your decision to resurrect this issue means you have murdered sleep.

So, since you have murdered sleep, you must now face the consequences. To paraphrase Macbeth in his final desperate stand, "Lay on Macduff, And dammed be him that first cries " Hold, enough!"

I'm prepared to see this through. The evidence is laid bare. Let anyone who's following this thread judge for themselves .

I will not be be a judge in my own case, and you are incapable of being an honest one in yours .

Therefore, @ DeepSight, please be the silent judge without making your verdict public

I don't want to be believed, triple. I specifically adopt a way of writing such that belief is not the first consideration after reading what I post, which one must use one's own mind to try to comprehend instead of stupïdly ïgnorantly just believing.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/5123700/disbelieve-know#77378178

I didn't say I want to believe you.

And you're projecting

Take your own advice and investigate the claims in the Rosicrucian texts you have shared so you stop believing nonsense .

budaatum:
Evidence please!

Personally, I hate beliefs. My opinion is you believe because you have not bothered to do any research so you may know.

Also, do you know how difficult it is for anyone to believe anything I say when I am so contradictory?

Think about it. One minute I make you believe there is god, then the next I am an atheist? Kind of like the Bible with it's contradictions, if you ask me, the best book for atheist creation if read with an open mind.

I don't want to be believed, triple. I specifically adopt a way of writing such that belief is not the first consideration after reading what I post, which one must use one's own mind to try to comprehend instead of stupïdly ïgnorantly just believing.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/5123700/disbelieve-know#77378178

Do you still remember this statement made about you by AOOI?

Read again, it's not only me, others have observed the same pattern, but choose not to call you out. I myself would have remained quiet if you had not crossed the line

A001:
I don't know what to make of this comment. It's not as if you were ever my favorite nairalander here.

Those I really admire here are some agnostics, atheists, and other irreligious people — people that stay in one place.

I'm not a fan of "a jack of all trades, master of none". The same person is a Muslim, Christian, Freemason, Amorc, traditionalist.

That has been my major issue with your person since the past few years. For a person who's widely read like you, I fail to see the importance of associating yourself with all religions and groups.

But I understand it's your choice.

I will return later to answer your latest evasion, duplicity, and misrepresentation.

KobolanderSegun:
I'm.a Christian, I'm not dividing anyone. Christians need to wake up to their own wickedness and evil. How can anyone in his right mind in a country were we store petrol be throwing banga ? Christian Fundamentalism is real. All the noise churches make is uncalled for. Look at Jehovah Witnesses who are extremely quiet in their kingdom walls. Why must we force everyone to believe in Jesus Christ. Is it religion by force ? Even Jesus did not preach in the city but preached outside the city on hills and by the sea side. Thank God he was civilized and set a very good example.

You say you're a Christian, yet your characterisation of Christian practices and believers like yourself is one of blanket condemnation, using terms like " barbaric", "mad", "deranged"",, "lunatic ". Furthermore, you have argued or suggested it's wrong for christians to convert others.

Is this sarcasm or what?

You have also drawn a moral equivalence between celebratory noise and suicide bombing, a comparison that can only be made by those outside a faith to demonise it.

Your behaviour has made it difficult for someone like me to believe your claim of being a Christian.

A genuine member of a faith community, even when offering internal criticism, does so from a position of shared identity and understanding. Their criticism is typically specific, constructive, and aims to reform, not to broadly condemn and villify their own community by comparing them to the worst possible actors, Islamic fundamentalist.. As the saying goes, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

Honestly, your argument does not read like an internal critique from an insider, a Christian. It reads like an external condemnation from someone using the label, " Christian" as a strategic disguise to lend credibility to a narrative that is ,in fact; deeply hostile to the faith .


This deception has become even more clear in your latest reply. You now state, " Christians need to wake up to their own wickedness and evil". This is a statement made from the third person perspective of an outsider, and "an accuser " , not from the first person perspective of a believer. It confirms beyond any doubt that your claim of being a Christian is a strategic disguise.

This deception matters because it poisons the well of genuine and sincere debate. I regard it as an attempt to make a divisive, inflammatory argument seem like a concerned believer's perspective, whereas the substance of your claims reveals the opposite.

If you want to have an honest discussion concerning public safety and the regulation of fireworks, do so. But please drop the false pretense and the inflammatory inaccurate labels. They only serve to create division and show that you're not arguing in good faith.


However, I am happy the title of the thread has changed from its previous inflammatory one to " Is the use of fireworks a form of terrorism" .



Whether you took my advice or the moderators did the needful , this is a step in the right direction.

budaatum:
Triple, buda has never deleted a post or thread by buda, and you saying buda deleted a post or thread by buda without showing any evidence that buda deleted a post or thread is itself evidence of something.

Every single evidence about buda that you claimed you posted which includes a quote of buda, I presume, is still here for everyone to read for themselves. All you have to do is post a link to you first pointing it out, and letting them go see if buda has deleted it.

Here

budaatum:
About The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC

THE ROSICRUCIAN TEACHINGS enable people to find themselves, turn their lives around, and influence the universe. We are educators, students and seekers devoted to exploring inner wisdom and the meaning of life. We offer an ancient time tested system of study and experimentation, which reveals the underlying principles of the universe. Our method offers practical tools applicable to all aspects of life.

The Rosicrucian teachings allow individuals to direct their own lives, experience inner peace and leave their mark on humanity. It is for this reason that we urge our members to remain committed to the investigation, study and practical application of all natural and spiritual laws for the attainment of Health, Happiness and Peace to the glory of God, the betterment of humanity and the evolution of the soul personality.

Based on this advertisement you posted yourself on this forum years ago and the official teachings of AMORC, it's clear that the order's principles are fundamentally incompatible with a strict atheist's viewpoint

The statement s" to the glory of God , the betterment of humanity and the evolution of the soul personality" in the advertisement, are not isolated phrases but they are central to the order's described philosophy.

Unless you're prepared to publicly denounce AMORC, something I doubt you can do as some of your fellow members are likely following this conversation, then the acknowledgment of divinity and the supernatural is completely irreconcilable with your current atheistic stance.

This contradiction is the reason I maintain that you criticise others for holding beliefs that you yourself subscribe to .

A technical savvy friend advised me on how to retrieve the link. He pointed out that clicking on the moniker in the quote would direct me to the original page it was taken from .

I did exactly that and it worked. But you said no link to it, suggesting I forged it.

Here is the link

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4260336

It is settled now . It is not my business how you choose to live your life, but don't extend your deception to me.

DeepSight:
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From what you wrote, one must fear you for your memory and conclude that you should be a private investigator.

I have been here long enough to know that Buda is pretending to be someone he is not.

The evidence I dug out, something I don't normally like to do, clearly exposed him. But he then deleted the entire thread containing his post even aferr acknowledging that he created it

Honesty, I don't really care about his pretences, so long as he doesn't extend them to me.

And consider this: After our heated exchange in June 2023 , we have had several amicable conversations on other issues without any problem or revisiting the old issue.

Now,, this is November 2025. He has resurrected this same old issue, which I thought we had both moved past, as if it just happened yesterday. He's questioning me angrily about something that's clearly bothering him.

He was the one who disrespected and offended me in the past. But now he wants to use the emotional story about his mother to present himself as the victim and frame me as the aggressor

Which Kain tin be dis now?

budaatum:
Sleeping dogs lie, lol. Greetings, Triple,

Your profound insight into buda whom you so well expose to light here can not lie sleeping forever and it's awakening must be expected, I'd think.

On the bold. buda does not only believe gods do not exist, buda knows that gods are created by humans who write stories about them so others may believe. Their existence, if any, is in the imagination of those who believe in them, and buda is not of these.

Hope that clears up your confusion.

On "serious contradictions". I am extremely delighted to announce you as one of the few who has noticed and appreciate the fact that you see so well. May more use their senses like you use yours.

The below is AI. Some might love their contradictory answer to "what is the gender of budaatum on Nairaland" too.

Answers on postcards please.

Your reply perfectly demonstrates the evasion and deception I described. You completely ignored every point I raised about your hypocrisy regarding Amorc , and instead constructed a strawman debate about the existence of gods , a topic I never discussed.

Let me be clear. I didn't accuse you of believing in God ,but accused you of being a paying member of a counterfeit esoteric order that teaches about the soul and spiritual consciousness, while you pretended to be an atheist to mock others for exploring those same concepts

Your use of AI to celebrate your "contradictions" is not only irrelevant but also misguided. A Chatbot is not a human being with the awareness to understand context or discern intentional philosophy from simple dishonesty.

The issue isn't about complex philosophy or confusion about gender , it's about a simple act of dishonesty: presenting one Identity to your audience while hiding another that contradicts it.

You can hide behind Grok and ChatGPT analyses and theological discussions all you like, but you cannot change the fact that you were caught being hypocritical and deceptive. You have yet to offer a single sincere word in response to that accusation

I am not going to be drawn into the side - tracks and mazes you created to avoided this simple truth

LordReed:
Can you quote where I mocked you on the topic of NDEs?

No. Mockery isn't the right word. It was Unknownunkown who was fully involved in that.

What you did was to question and not mock some of the things I discussed in the " Mind and Matter thread.

My apologies for dragging you into this.

Prudoh:
Wow! I contemplated on joining this Order. This is eye and mind opening

Don't just decide based on what I have said here.

Do extensive research on your own about the organisation. Ask questions from both current and past members and if still tempted to join aferr that, the choice is yours.

budaatum:
You see this? It's funny.

My mother tells how she was earning before my born and my father spent it on Amorc. She hates him because of it because it was she who fed and clothed and housed and schooled us.

Triple! Where did the buda that rallies against tithe according to Grok tell you buda has ever spent a dime of buda money to "pay membership dues in dollars for protection from the so call invisible great white brotherhood , the Amorc"?

Do I seriously sound like one who wouldn't learn from my own mother's koboko?

I think Grok is evil, Triple. In plain sight too than Amorc that is hidden. I love it!

I saw this yesterday and decided to let sleeping dogs lie. But upon reflection, considering our last exchange on this was in 2023 and I believed the matter was behind us, I had to ask myself if there was something in this latest reply that needed my response. I concluded that there is.

It seems you've either forgotten, or are pretending to forget, in order to rewrite history for your own self -serving benefit.

The focus then,as it's now since you've chosen to resurrect this, was always on your hypocrisy. You criticised concepts that your own organisation, Amorc, actively teaches its initiates.

When I used my personal experiences to argue that the concepts of the soul, reincarnation and the phenomenon of NDE are true, even if not yet scientifically proven, others like Lordreed and Unknownunknown criticised and mocked me as well. While their comments were harsh, I was not as offended because they came from a place of sincere disbelief.

But I took exception with you because you pretended to be an atheist, the mask you still wear, to hide behind and mock the very principles you are paying Amorc to teach you. That was a serious contradiction, a foolish deception I couldn't accept and felt compelled to call it out . Your refusal to stop escalated the situation and into the heated exchange we had. I only regret the harsh words I used, but not ever going to apologise for exposing you deception and hypocrisy.

And it's especially for this reason .When I provided direct evidence of your membership to back my claims, what did you do?

You initially acknowledged the posts as yours, stating I had merely reminded you of something you had long forgotten. But then, you dubiously went and deleted the entire thread with the help of a moderator, returning to ask me for a link to the very evidence you had just admitted was yours. It was a clear attempt to deceive the public to make it seem I manufactured the evidence myself .

So, why would you now think after all that I want to be dragged back into the mud with this sad story about your family trauma, the lessons you learnt, and Grok's findings on your views about tithing??

Oh, I see, Buda is against tithing,which he regards as scam. So,, how can the same Buda pay for spiritual protection in Amorc has an initiate ? Is that not a contradiction?

But you're mistaken. You may not see it since no brainwashed person is ever aware of their brainwashing until they pick up the courage to question it

Call it whatever you like, but the truth of the matter is that the mechanism is the same. Tithe, membership dues to cover adminstrative cost, or any other form of financial contributions to a. religious sect or esoteric group are in both cases members paying for something they don't need to pay for or even if they've to pay it shouldn't be mandatory.

Amorc which you're part of promises its initiates spiritual guidance and protection from the imaginary "Great white brotherhood" .
And how does one remain a member?

By meeting up with membership dues and levies that go into the pockets of the organisation's leaders, not to any invisible spirits

Please unpack your brain and think critically . Stop raising this issue with me. With this, I consider my engagement on this matter closed.

Thank you

KobolanderSegun:
The Use of Fireworks and Banga in residential
areas across Nigeria and Around the World to celebrate Christmas and New Year should be called Acts of Terror.

The Nigerian Government has banned Fireworks and Banger several times in the past but I have never heard of Fireworks being seized and confiscated in the ports or being seized from shops. There was a time in the mid 80,s under military rule there were more attempts to seize Banga at the ports.

Fireworks and Banga are very dangerous for a country like Nigeria were people store Petrol for generators and where people use cooking gas that is highly flammable.

The amount of Noise the explosions make is not healthy for adults who have heart trouble.

Some individuals actually throw Banga at women as they walk on the streets.

Through out this year I have heard explosions of Fireworks from January to November. The rate of Extremists Banga throughing is increasing year after year. If this type of extremism is not contained we will run the risk of having fireworks everyday.

In more " so called Developed countries " this barbaric tradition does not hold in residential
areas but licences and government designated zones are created so that fireworks can be exploded by professionals.

I do not expect a lot of people to understand the importance of not using fireworks in residential areas with the hazard it creates in a country like Nigeria were Petrol and cooking gas is stored.

One spark getting near a outdoor gas cylinder can easily set fire to the cylinder and burn the house down . One spark getting too close to a 35 liters plastic container of Petrol can burn a residential area to the ground.

I do not expect many people to understand this because a lot of people are very blind to danger and are too drunk on the wine of tradition and religion

Fireworks is used to celebrate the birth of Jesus and the Christian new year . If it was another religion they would label the barbaric celebrations as violent or terrorist in nature.

I'm a Christian, but this is not Christianity, this is Violence, dangerous and terrorism

No. The use of of fireworks , "Banga" by some Christians during Christmas or any other time is not terrorism, but public nuisance or assault and criminal if thrown at another person just to scare them.

The argument you have used creates a situation where anyone can call anyone else a terrorist based purely on their own subjective feelings of being victimised.

You're free to write articles addressing public safety and the regulation of fireworks , but labelling it as "Christian terrorism" is inflammatory and can only serve to divide us as Nigerians along religious lines.

Kemetian:
You are so naive.

Are you aware the US was implicated in the funding of Boko Haram?

That USAID was used to funnel funds to Boko Haram?

That there was a congressional investigation into this in which it was found that this actually happened?

Now the people sponsoring the insurgency remotely are now flying in to ''save you'' from the problem they themselves generated.

Problem, Reaction, Solution.

The oldest western trick in the book.

Create the PROBLEM (Sponsor terrorist insurgencies in Nigeria from afar)

The people cry out in REACTION over these atrocities. ''Somebody help us!!''

You then impose the SOLUTION (military invasion to ''stop the terrorists'', occupation, destabilization, resource theft, etc) which you had always wanted but could not, without the first two stages.

Problem.... Reaction..... Solution.

Please provide the source for your claim that the US was implicated and found guilty of sponsoring Boko haram

Righteousness2:
The Power house nations are showing themselves.

Meanwhile there is a serious Massacre going on in Sudan and no one seem to care

is the blood in gaza Redder than the blood in Sudan?

Where are the Emergency Gaza Humanity Experts and Lovers?
Where are the genocide Expert criers?

And you also don't care about the Sudanese people.

What you care about is to use the massacre going on in Sudan as justification for the genocide you support in Gaza.

Since in your opinion nobody is talking about Sudan,the IDF should be left alone to continue the killing of thousands of innocent women and children to eliminate a few deranged Hamas militants.

They can only test but will never dare use it due to the obvious consequence.

The title of the thread is completely different from what Gumi is advocating for.

The Mods should correct the wrong heading.
Cc Seun

Mynd44

Suggested correction

Gumi advocates for Muslim women's right to divorce their abusive husband without paying compensation.

EvilMerodack:
He didn't even mention any tribe in his comment and I wonder how you came up with this conclusion

For your info, many Nigerian footballers with Yoruba or Igbo heritage face ame delimma

Bringing tribe into this says alot about you

No, I didn't bring tribe into this, the person you want to defend did so indirectly to avoid a ban for violating the forum's rules against tribalistic comments. The Mods may have missed it, but his implicit bigotry was clear.


First , he wrongly blamed Nneka's parents for " training their daughters to be non-Nigerians". But the facts contradicts this. According to Nneka herself, when they were much younger, they actively sought the Nigerian passport because they identified with their Nigerian heritage . Unfortunately, they were discouraged in the process and even "scared" by US basketball authorities whose true motive was to force them represent the US basketball team. As an immigrant family it can be understood that their decision to obey the US basketball authorities was a pragmatic one to secure their status and not a rejection of their roots. The early effort to obtain a Nigerian passport is proof the parents didn't train them to be non -Nigerians .

To reveal his tribal bias, he selectively praised Ashley plumptre ( from his tribe) to shame Nneka and her parents ( from the other tribe) His message was very clear: blame the other tribe for lack of patriotism. If you take your time to investigate his profile and check some of his past comments , you will not fail to notice similar pattern of behaviour. I'm also here condemning those from the other tribe who are also involved in the same thing.

Players like Saka, Dele Alli,and Adeyemi ( from his own tribe) also chose other countries over Nigeria. where is his outrage towards their parents. Did they also trained their children to be non- Nigerians ? By his own "spiritual" logic, Saka and the others denied Nigeria, so the land should deny them. But that doesn't fit his narrative. Does it?


And in a dubious attempt to make his story consistent, FreeStuffsNG, even lied, claiming Nneka's sister, Chiney, was also denied to represent Nigeria. This is completely false. Chiney has been cleared to play for Nigeria. If the same parents raised both daughters , and one was approved and the other denied due to technicalities , how does his "bad parenting" accusation stand? It doesn't.

The rhetoric he has used is exactly what has turned this forum into a tribal battlefield. It's driven by hate that contradicts the very patriotism he claims to promote. How can one claim to love Nigeria while actively sowing division among its people


The real issue issue has always been FIBA's ruies, not parenting or patriotism. I called out this toxic, tribal double -standard for what it is. I'm surprised you missed it or pretending not to see it so you defend him, which is exactly what he wanted.

Gerrard59:
A research conducted in the predominantly white West has to be Eurocentric, and there is nothing wrong with that. If the research were to be conducted in sub-Saharan Africa, African features would come top. BTW, the research is publicly available, and there are also studies which show few marriages between Blacks and Asians. Is that also Eurocentric?

You're correct that a study conducted in the Western world will have a Eurocentric perspective. However, the flaw is not in the study's existence, but in your interpretation of its findings. Using a study that documents a pattern of bias within a particular context and universalising it as an objective truth is a misuse of data. This is statistical fallacy and it spreads a falsehood by presenting a social bias as a universal fact of desirability..

2. The mere availability of a research paper online does not automatically make it reliable or valid. Credible research must meet specific criteria , such as Peer review, methodological rigor and a clear distinction between correlation and causation .Furthermore, no reputable scientific journal would publish a study that explicitly ranks entire races on a "desirability list." Not only would it be unethical, but it would also be recognized as promoting racist ideology, not science. So, it's straws you're clutching at each time you mention those " available" research . They are only available, online, but not where they would pass as evidence .

3. The low marriage rate between Asians and Black women is extraneous to our current discussion. We're not debating the specific intermarriage rates between various groups, but your core claim about the desirability and attractiveness of Black people. Introducing this statistics is a deflection from the main point . Please stick to the topic at hand .

That is an exception, not the norm. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Black women are better appreciated in Black dominated environments than in places with few Black people. The phrase "can get too fat" might come across as too harsh, but in reality, Black women have greater body mass compared to women from other racial groups, except maybe those in South America. Steatopygia isn't common to women outside Southern Africa, and we see it in variations across Black women in West Africa, Central Africa, Black dominated areas in the US and the Caribbean.

1. Your dismissal of Fatima Diame as " exception", not the"norm " exposes the fundamental flaw in your logic. You're operating on the premise that whiteness is the default, and that non-white is the deviation.

The real issue is that you have defined the " norm" by a Eurocentric standard, so any evidence to the contrary is automatically classified as an " exception" . Fatima Diame is not an exception to Black beauty, she is a thrilling expression of it. Her global acclaim proves that when beautiful Black women are given a platform, they are widely recognised and celebrated. We see this in Oluchi Onweagba , the super model, ( winner of the M-Net- Face of Africa ), Agbani Darego, ( a former Miss world) , Chidinma Adetsina, ( first runner up miss universe) and the countless Black women in Nigeria and the diaspora whose beauty is undeniable. The problem is not a lack of beauty, but a lack of visibility and a biased lens, which unfortunately, you as an African are wearing, that fails to see it unless it is on a global stage or endorsed by White people. To claim they are "exceptions", is to ignore the vast and diverse reality of Black beauty .

2. Here, you're making a common but critical error by equating greater body mass with being fat. This is scientifically inaccurate , and it exposes your lack of understanding of basic human physiology. Greater body mass doesn't translate to " can get too fat"

Body mass simply refers to the total weight of a person and this is composed of , muscle mass, bone density, water , organ weight and body fat.

The athlete Fatima Diame is the perfect example of why your logic falls flat. . She no doubt has a greater body mass than a sedentary woman of the same height, but this body mass of hers isn't composed of fat . It's composed of powerful, dense muscle and strong bone structure. Her body mass is high, but her body fat percentage is very low.

Steatopygia which is the accumulation of fat in the buttocks isn't the same as general obesity. . The condition a genetic trait not found in every Black woman is often accompanied by a low body mass index. This again confirms body mass and fat aren't the same

" they can get too fat" is a gross generalisation . There are countless Black women with a slender, willowy frames, just as there are countless white women with a higher body indexes with the same tendency to grow very fat.

Historical dynamics? This sounds like the typical lovey-dovey diatribe I read daily. So, what would the fewer marriages between Black women and Asian men be called?

No , it's not "lovey dovey diatribe" . If you understood the reference, you wouldn't call it that.

Historical power dynamics, in the context I used it , refers to how centuries of colonialism, transatlantic slave trade, and Eurocentric media have systematically promoted specific White features as the universal Idea of beauty, while simultaneously demeaning and devaluing African features much as you have done here.

The power dynamics is that one group had, and still has, the global influence to define beauty for everyone else. The tragic result of this is seen in our communities, where our girls and women feel compelled to bleach their skin , which they euphemistically refer to as " bringing out my true colour" , and wear expensive European wigs to conform to a standard that was imposed, not earned.

This legacy actively shapens modern dating behaviour in the Western world and their media representation of it. When you ignore this history, you're analysing the world with a major blindspot . You see the result of this bias ( like the research you cite) and misconstrue it for the cause rather than recognising it as the devastating consequence of a centuries- long project of social conditioning.

2. You asked, " So what would the fewer marriage between Black women and Asian men be called? . I will answer that.

They're called counter -evidence .

You argued that the "reality" is that people inherently and overwhelmingly " prefer their own" , and absolute claim that requires 100% consistency to be true. The moment exceptions emerge, your absolute rule is broken.

Therefore, the exact number is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if they represent 1% or 10%. What matters is that their mere existence and growing number has invalidated and continues to invalidates your absolutist statement. These marriages don't need to be majority to prove you wrong. They just need to exist. That's all

Nigerian women in the US have made countless videos relating their experiences in the dating world, and the best places they recommend to find husbands are where there are a lot of Black people or specifically Nigerians, and these places are in the Southeastern and South-central parts of the US.

" Countless videos" by Nigerian women is anecdotal, not data,. Moreover, those recommendations aren't a guarantee for success. In fact, many savvy individuals deliberately avoid such targeted spaces because they know it can be environments where desperate people are easily taken advantage of .

Oh! So we agree that humans prefer those who look, talk and behave like them, abi? We agree on one thing, then.

But not strictly for marriage.

You have simply agreed that humans prefer their kind, yet you are against my statement. If they wish to live amongst their kind, does this not mean they wish to marry within their group and raise families within that same group?

I only agree with you that people prefer to mingle with their kind, but haven't agreed with you that they do so strictly for marriage. I explained that congregating with one's cultural group is a universal human need for community and belonging. But you have you made a logical leap from that to people only want to marry within their race .

We haven't agreed on the same thing as you imagined. A Nigerian woman living in a Nigerian community in the US can choose to marry a man of any race. Your claim that the primary reason for this congregation is to increase their chances for dating and marrying Nigerian men or black men is a reductive stereotype, and you haven't provided any evidence for it beyond the countless videos, which I already said are anecdotal, not proven data .

Honestly, this is the issue I have with lovey-dovey folks - the blatant disregard for basic mathematics and probabilities. No wonder your cohort in the US wanted to ban mathematics in California because "math is racist". These are the issues.

For one, the rate of inter-racial marriages is low and has always been low, whether in the US, Brazil and South Africa, all of which are amongst the most racially diverse societies.

A mere Internet search shows the following:
US: 19% of newlyweds are inter-racial
Brazil: 30% with the majority between Whites and Pardos (mixed Brazilians). In other words, White Brazilians prefer mixed Brazilians over purely Black Brazilians.
South Africa: 11.4% with the majority being between Black South Africans and Coloured South Africans. Whites are the least likely to marry out.
The Netherlands: 10% - 16%.
England and Wales (the subject being discussed): 7%. In fact, the search reveals that often the pairings between White British are with other WHITE PEOPLE from Eastern Europe. England is the most acceptable place for Black people throughout Europe, and where Black people thrive rather than survive throughout the continent. The US is home to African Americans who constitute the wealthiest group of Black people in the world. Common sense means outside these places, the rate of inter-racial marriages between Blacks and other races wouldn't be HIGH or COMMON.

This is basic mathematics, psychology and economics, aka 1 + 1 = 2, not 500 as lovey-dovey folks like to talk.

Your sister marrying an Italian expat is an EXCEPTION, not the NORM. There are many single Nigerian women in Italy who don't have Italian husbands, even though they speak fluent Italian. There will always be inter-racial marriages, but what is the rate compared to the rest of the population? What has the rate been since?

You have once again misrepresented my argument and in doing so, are attacking a point I never made. The issue here isn't about me not knowing basic mathematics, but of you lacking a basic understanding of simple logic.

I did not say interracial marriages were more common than intra-racial ones. My point was purely logical: if your claim that people have an inherent, overwhelming preference for their own kind for marriage, then the existence of any happy , successful interracial marriages would be virtually impossible . The fact that my cousin's marriage exists and that of millions of others like it , regardless of their statistical percentage , completely renders your absolutist claim invalid.

You're trying to win a debate about statistics I never started. My position is that your rule that people only prefer their kind isn't a rule at all. A true scientific law has no exception. Your so called natural preference is a social trend,not a biological imperative.

The statistics you introduced has even undermined your position without you realising it.

The selective use of percentage is a common tactics to downplay the significance of a phenomenon. it makes a large number of people seem like a negligible statistics , 1% or 19%. But those percentages when converted into raw numbers represent millions of real lives and real love that directly contradicts your absolute claim . You're using the language of statistics to hide the human reality they represent .So, don't lecture me about mathematics. Your inability to make sense of the simple logical argument I made proves that your understanding of it is superficial. True mastery of maths requires logical thinking, and on that front, you"ve been found wanting.


Finally before you misrepresent me again, let me be clear about what I said earlier concerning my cousin. I stated she met her husband here in Nigeria while they were both staff of an oil exploration company. She didn't meet him after relocating to Italy. Therefore, don't drag her personal story I shared as example into your generalisations about why other Nigerian women' in Italy may be struggling.

I would have skipped this side if not for the "lack of exposure and enlightenment" phrase. What makes you think you are more enlightened or exposed than I am? Why should an overdose of exposure and enlightenment override basic human behaviours? So we should disregard actual inter-racial marriage statistics because of eXpOsUrE aNd eNlIgHtEnMeNt?

No. I didn't refer to you as unenlightened and unexposed. You misunderstood my point . I was describing those with a specific mindset: that of a person who strictly , without exception, refuses to consider a partner from another race, even when presented with an individual they might otherwise find attractive, loving and compatible. My argument is that this unbending,blanket rejection is a sign of unexamined bais.

There's a great difference between having a cultural preference and holding a racial prejudice. .

A person who's enlightened and well exposed might have a preference for their own cultural background, but remains open minded about outsiders. They can meet someone from another race, recognise their beauty and character, and because of this have their natural preference for their own overridden by a sincere and genuine human connection.

A person operating on unconscious programming uses a rigid, racial filter. They quickly and easily dismiss an entire group of people in advance irrespective of individual qualities. This kind of behaviour isn't natural preference, but prejudice .

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The statistics you continue to mention about low interracial marriages between Black women and other races , especially Asians and white people are actually documents bias, not the truth . Those stats are a snapshot of racial bias in action in highly superficial dating app platforms . It's proof of the societal problems I have been discussing with you, not evidence that Black women are inherently less desirable. A study showing that people are biased against employing someone with a " Nigerian name" doesn't prove those Nigerians are bad workers, it proves instead that employers are prejudiced against hiring Nigerians .Apply the same logic to get my point

Tell this to the hordes of Black women in Europe and the US lamenting the lack of husbands. Tell this to Nigerian women in the UK who say there are no suitable suitors. Tell this to second-generation Nigerian women in the UK who move to Nigeria to find husbands. Challenging what is considered to be beautiful, you say? So you want to challenge and erase basic human tendencies to prefer people like them, the same tendency you earlier supported? Who are you to dictate to other people who they should marry and copulate with?

The Idea that " hordes of Black women" , especially Nigerian women in the diaspora, lamenting a lack of suitable partners represents a problem unique to them is a serious misreading of reality. This challenge also affects women from all races, White, Asian, and Latina alike..

What you're falling to accept is the well - documented, broader social trend in Western societies where people of all backgrounds are marrying less, preferring to focus more on education, careers, and choosing alternative family structure . To then put this universal shift solely on a perceived lack of attractiveness in Black women is not only dishonest,but very absurd


The main problem is not that Black women are uniquely undesirable. The problem is that within a dating pool already shaped by racial bias, they face additional unfair hurdles. My entire argument is that we should challenge and dismantle these biases masquerading as natural preferences, not advice the victims of this biases to pack their bags and flee to Africa or the Caribbean where they can be tolerated.

This solution of yours is not only insulting, but spectacularly ignorant of the actual reality.

Are you not aware that women in Nigeria and across Africa also face significant challenges in finding suitable marriage partners. To suggest that Africa is a guarantee paradise for marriage is a complete fantasy.

You accuse me of dictating to others, which is a shocking irony. You're the one who issue the directive that Black women should abandon their lives and opportunities abroad to solve a problem. I haven't dictated a single life choice to anyone. I'm challenging the harmful idea , the ideology, you're promoting, which claims Black women are globally " less than" . I am not telling people what to love. I am telling you that your rationale for their choices is rooted in bias.

And again , I do not seek to "erase basic human tendencies" . I seek to encourage people to transcend base prejudices . The most enlightened human tendency is the capacity to see shared humanity beyond superficial differences.

Finally, let's be unequivocally clear about something. Racial preferences is not, for God sake, a basic human tendency. It's learned social behaviour which can be unlearned . It's shocking that you would label racism, a force condemned by enlightened societies, as a fundamental part of human nature. This bizarre conflation reveals a deep misunderstanding of both history and human psychology.

The root causes of racial or even tribal preferences are basic human preferences for people who look like them. P for Period. Why is this difficult to grasp? Humans prefer those who speak, look and talk like they do. How is this a bad thing? In fact, this is the basis for human survival over the years - mating with those who look, speak and behave like themselves. This is how different groups have survived and lasted without being erased for thousands of years.

It's true that humans have a natural tendency to prefer familiar faces and cultures. However , you're making a critical mistake by conflating this with a preference for race.

Race , as we understand it today is not an ancient tribal division. It's a modern social construct invented to justify colonialism and slavery. Our ancestors didn't have racial preference because the modern concept of race based on skin colour didn't exist in those ancient times.

What existed was a division based on the group one belonged to ; the " civilised" versus the " barbarian. In the ancient world, your status was determined by your language, culture and customs, not by your skin colour. A " barbarian " could become " civilised " by adopting new customs . This is totally different from the immutable biologically justified hierarchy of modern races:


Therefore, modern racism is learned behaviour. People aren't born with racial prejudice. Racism is learnt through conscious and unconscious conditioning. And this is why not every White person is racist, and why people can unlearn these biases

Thank you for your time.

Meedon:
You guys can justify any evil so far it is against your religion. Everyone sees its religion as the right one and they are hundreds of religion across the globe. Since you are born as a Catholic, you can defend catholicism even if the truth stares at you.

Your reply has confirmed my initial concern, which was about the spread of historical falsehood disguised as truth .

First, you assumed I was a catholic from birth, but that's not true. I'm neither a Catholic by birth nor a member of that church. My reason for replying to your post was only to correct a factual error, irrespective of whose beliefs it may align with. Truth isn't a matter of which religion one belongs to.

Second, you failed to engage with any of the historical points I raised. Instead, you shifted from discussing the topic, you started attacking me personally, by accusing me of defending evil. This ad hominem attack does not serve the pursuit of truth. I expected you to critically analyze the information I provided and to come up after that with a reasonable rebuttal backed with evidence, such as names,dates and records of the Catholic church alleged policy of killing " many scientists". You have provided none.

Finally, I still stand by my original points. it is a serious and unsubstantiated accusation to claim an institution killed lots of scientists due to "wickedness and close mindedness" . The burden of proof for such a severe accusation rests with you, not me. And until you can provide that evidence, the historical record, which includes clerical scientists like Big Bang's Georges Lemaitre, does not support your claim.

Thank you.

FreeStuffsNG:
Ogwumike hopes that her fight to try to play for Nigeria will help shed some light on the process and “how people decide to pick their nationalities when they want to represent their country.”

Ogwumike said that when she was younger, she was told by USA Basketball not to try to get a passport from another country.

She had been trying to play for the country, where her parents were born, since the Tokyo Games in 2021.


Eeya..
I blame her parents and I hope others who raise their children not to identify as Nigerian can see the folly of their actions.

It's a spiritual thing; if you deny the land, it will deny you too and if you bless it, it will bless you too.

While Ashley Plumptre, with mixed race parentage, identified as a Nigerian right from her childhood, her parents got her her Nigerian passport early and she eventually played for Nigeria, Nneka, with 100% Nigerian parentage, both parents born and raised in Nigeria, was raised to be a Non-Nigerian by Nigerian parents, was eventually denied to play for Nigeria. Smh.

Many of you will learn las las that inferiority complex can deny you of a lot of things in life. Your adopted countries know that if you can abandon your own land, you are a rolling stone who will abandon them someday too

I sincerely hope that she will raise her own kids to be Nigerians.

What's your problem, oga?

Tribalism is a disease. Shun it please for the sake of your own mental health.

Gerrard59:
Research into dating life in the West reveals that Black women are at the bottom of the list, while White men are preferred by women of all races. For one, most Black women can get too fat, and this is not the general physique of most White or East Asian women. And as seen across the East and West Coasts of the US, after their women, elite White men prefer East Asian women. There is a reason Nigerian women in the US prefer to congregate in the South-central part of the US to increase their chances of getting married.

It's painful to read you attempting to dress up internalised racism and sweeping stereotype as "reality" and "research" .

1. The research you cited and failed to provide its source was likely conducted from a Eurocentric perspective using a specific cultural standard of beauty. It's improper an strange behaviour for you as an African to universalize that standard and use it to wrongly label your own sisters and brothers as unattractive., the "bottom of the list" . It's like tasting apple to determine the flavour of a rare and exotic African fruit like " Agbalumo"( the African star apple) . You will completely miss it.

2. Your claim that black women " can get too fat" is a harmful and unscientific stereotype. Body size and shape vary greatly within every single racial and ethnic group. To assign a physique to an entire race of diverse women is what prejudice really is. The woman who's currently regarded as the most sexually attractive woman in the world is the Spanish athletic of African descent, Fatima Diame. She combines athleticism, beauty and grace. She is frequently celebrated across social media as one of the most gorgeous and sexeist athletes in the world. People everywhere, both White and Black, gush over her attractiveness. Yet, she's just one example of millions of other Black women with here kind of powerful and graceful physique.


3. The idea of "elite white men" and their preference which you want to present as natural isn't that , but something that's deeply rooted in historical power dynamics, not biology.

4.And where's the evidence or research which supports your claim that the reason Nigerian women congregate in the southern part of the US is to increase their chances of getting married ? This kind of talk is exactly the reason I said you are attempting to dress up sweeping stereotype as " research" But even if marriage were a factor, what's wrong with that?

Or you think the behaviour is unique to Nigerian women?

Don't we have Chinese, Mexicans, Latin Americans, and Indians and countless other immigrant groups in the US congregating in areas where they can find their own people ?

Are the women from these other races doing the same because they want to increase their chances of getting married ?

The desire to congregate in places where you can find your own people is a universal tendency and not something peculiar to Nigerian women.

And let's be clear about something. The real reason Nigerian men and women congregate in certain areas in the US is primarily for community and cultural familiarity. They have moved from a deeply communal society to a country where the dominant culture is highly individualist, "every man for himself.", and so, congregating in a place where they can speak their language, eat their local delicacies and maintain their traditions will make them feel at home in a foreign country. For you to now reduce this complex human need for belonging to a simple strategy for marriage is not only incorrect,but very reductive .

Too many people have been deceived by the faux liberal world. The reality is: humans prefer those who look, talk and behave like them. In an overwhelmingly White country like England, where the majority of the Black population resides in the Southeastern part, Black women are not highly desired. The average South Asian (more South Asians than Blacks in the UK) would not marry a Black woman, and generally, West Africans, unlike Southern or East Africans, have little interaction with South Asians.

Your logic that people prefer their own is flawed. If what you claim is true, then there would be virtually no interracial marriages , and the success and happiness of Black women in such marriages across Europe and in the US, like my own cousin who married an Italian expat she met in Nigeria wouldn't exist.

My advice at this point is that you take your time to investigate the root causes of why some people strictly prefer their own race. If you do this, I am sure you will out that the actual reason is lack of exposure and enlightenment . Often, people, whether Black or White, aren't consciously aware that they're reacting to the unconscious programming which guides them on what to accept or reject as attractive. The truth is , they often aren't thinking for themselves, they're making judgements based on this ingrained programming, which they later try to justify with rationale sounding reasons. This means their racial preferences or rejections aren't based on logic,but on a conditioned sentiment that is ,at its core, inherently racist

Any Black woman in Europe who desires to increase her chances of getting married should move to sub-Saharan Africa, the Caribbean or the South-central part of the US.

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This is the worst you have said here.
Advising "any Black woman" to leave Europe and return to Africa or the Caribbean so they can find a marriage partner isn't a solution. It's advising them to surrender to a racist status quo. It's advising them to shrink their lives and opportunities rather than challenging a society to expand its definition of what's considered beautiful and desirable .

Honestly , I am encouraging you to investigate the root causes of racial preference so that you don't become an unconscious conduit for harmful stereotypes. The ideas you have expressed here aren't neutral observations, they're damaging racial sentiments that have real world consequences for how people are perceived and treated .

Thank you.

Icon4s:
If you have followed the Nigerian National team well enough you should know that we may struggle with minnows in Africa but we are no pushovers at the Global stage. This team might be struggling with less fancied African teams but they will be hard to beat at the World Cup. I am sure you must be one of those that doubted we could beat Benin by 4:0. WE ARE NIGERIA, WE RISE TO THE OCCASION.

Exactly what I wanted to say. Nigerian super eagles is never a pushover when it comes to playing in the main tournament.

Meedon:
When a telescope was made by a scientist back then, the Catholic priests (pope) called it a witchcraft tool and they imprisoned the scientist. They killed lots of scientist because of their wickedness and close-mindedness.

1. You're not the first person to say this about the catholic church, but from my own investigation of the history by reading it, I have found out the narrative isn't correct. The initial reaction of the church was actually one of fascination and great interest after Galileo demonstrated his telescope to the catholic clergy and the Pope. It was never called a "Witchcraft tool" by a Pope. The real issue he had with the church was his promotion of heliocentrism, which contradicted Earth -centred model backed by Scripture.

For this, he was tried and sentenced to house arrest, not thrown into prison.

2. Your claim that the church killed lots of scientists is contradicted by the fact that many catholic priests in the past were leading scientists themselves. The first person to propose the Big Bang theory was a catholic priest and physicist , Georges Lemaitre.

So, it's illogical to suggest the Church " killed lots of scientists because of wickedness and close -mindedness when the reality was that it employed and celebrated so many of them within its own ranks.

Gabrielshow24:
This is reaching. Foreign objects do not rotate by 180° due to peristalsis 🤔.

I asked a medical doctor, and he said your claim isn't accurate.

According to him, the GI tract is a soft mobile and constantly churning tube, and that there are documented cases of objects like nails or pins rotating or shifting from a dangerous transverse position to a safer longitudinal one to pass through without injury.

And I was able to confirm his explanation was accurate.

@DrAda, your attention is needed please.

Kavara:
Can I send you a mail sir

Thanks for your trust and for asking to mail me. However, I'm sorry to say that I will not be able to read or respond to an email since I no longer have access to the account I used for this site. I have been trying recover the account but this hasn't been possible yet.

The only thing I can do for now is to give you my strongest advice I can here.

I recommend you seek out someone you can trust completely who will safeguard your privacy. If it's not financially possible for you to consult a licensed therapist, an excellent and often overlooked alternative is a catholic priest.

Go to a catholic church within your locality and request to speak with the priest in charge. When you meet him, explain that you're seeking guidance and confession. They're trained to offer a compassionate, listening hear, and are experienced in helping people deal with feelings of guilt and the desire for a new start. You don't need to be a catholic person to benefit from this and he's not going to ask you to convert to the catholic church.

Understand that the confessional in the catholic is specifically designed for cases like yours. Within that circle, it's a sacred and completely confidential space. A priest in the catholic church is bound by the seal of confession ,which means he's forbidden by the highest laws of the church to never reveal anything you confess to him. .So, your privacy is guaranteed .

After listening,if he feels your case requires medical or psychological care which only a trained therapist can provide, he will be the first to advise you book an appointment with one .

Good luck, if you choose to try this

Kavara:
Is there a pastor or counsellor I can share my struggles with

I feel your pain because I've been in a similar place of deep distress. it can feel like being trapped in a deep dark hole with no way out.

A word of caution though, please be careful about quickly labeling yourself as depressed or accepting that label from a non-professional. It can make you feel worse . Only a trained mental health practitioner can truly or is in a position to diagnose depression .

The fact that you can coherently post and respond here shows a strength and clarity that's often absent in severe clinical depression. What you're experiencing is real pain and believe me it will go away with time.

Right now , what you need is that one person you can trust; one conversation where you feel heard. This could be a pastor or a priest who's also a trained counselor that can offer you a perspective grounded in faith and hope to enable you come out of it, I give this advice since it's clear you're a believer.

Or book an appointment with a licensed therapist. They have the professional training and tools to help you understand your mind better so you can take control

Also, a trusted friend, a mentor, or even a perfect stranger who has gone through similar experience may be the person to offer the needed advice to help you.


In my own case, help didn't come from priests or doctors. It came from a stranger I discussed with who said something I needed to hear : Something like, " if you were this and that, would you have reacted the way you did to trigger the irrational fear and guilt that's now plaguing your mind? I was completely stunned after he asked me that question, and it was because I never thought of you it that way. Though the perspective shift his words brought didn't solve all my problems immediately , it gave me the first foothold I needed to start regaining control of my mind.

So, trust your instincts and don't limit yourself to one source. Use what works or combine everything that works: pastors and professionals . Finally, don't let anyone dismiss a potential source of help for you based on their own religious or anti religious bias . You know what you want, go for it.

Modified. I have gone through your other comments and now understand better that the problem is of one guilt based on past actions which doesn't align with certain values your religion has instilled in you.

Well, stop judging yourself and reach out to a nonjudgmental person whom you can talk to.

Consider your past actions as mistakes that you will never repeat and find ways to restitute if you can.

judewrites:
Witchcraft and idolatry are practiced globally, not just in Africa.

However, both are more pronounced in Africa, hence the backwardness.

Your claim that these practices cause "backwardness" is purely your opinion. In India, what some of you Christian refer to as Idolatry is a common practice, yet they're currently a leader in space exploration and technology.

Moreover, you can't really tell which region practice more witchcraft or Idolatry since in many societies, it's done in private due to stigma.. The perception that it's more common in Africa exists because such practices are culturally visible and integrated, and not done in secret.

And it's a misrepresentation to call African religions "Idolatry". The physical objects they keep in their shrines are symbolic representation of what they venerate,not the object of worship itself, something you might miss without deeper understanding. It's your religion that calls it Idolatry. Even the so-called witchcraft you criticise is being practiced by most Christians unconsciously through the use of prayer to impose their will on another person to influence them either for good or bad.