Christianity Etc › Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by trustman: 8:42am On Nov 09, 2014 |
Keluong: I actually meant tithing of today. Infact, that one is a small thing. They ve even invented, Chelsea/arsenal/manu/.....fans thanksgiving and also state thanksgiving. Its beats my imagination to see matured qnd grown up fellas falling for this. They may soon go into bankers, teachers, Okada riders, vulcanizers, footballers, etc THANKSGIVING ! All in a bid to raise money. It's all about money, money, money. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:38am On Nov 09, 2014 |
Gombs: ...but ....If writing the way you do makes you happier, fine! [size=18pt]Hero worship!![/size] |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:45am On Nov 09, 2014 |
Gombs: Well, it's Sunday, a little devotion now, huh?
"See!" · Sunday, November 9th
Pastor Chris
Glory to God!
"See" Halleluiah! [size=18pt]RELIGION!!
Pharisaism![/size] |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:21pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Bidam: Clap for your intelligent response, mr logic. 
Image123: You do know that His followers are free to follow His example and principle as much as lieth in them? And from one verse, it can be safely proven and believed that Abraham gave tithes instead of dismissing or belittling it as a one off. For sure, you get it now. mbaemeka: Hebrews 11:8-9 KJV
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lived together. That's how Jacob must have learned about tithes. If it was a one time event both Isaac and Jacob won't have known about it because they weren't born when Abraham tithed to Melchizedek.
Let me put it this way; we need more than a NARRATIVE of an event in the Bible to want to make it a command that all successive generations of believers must follow. For example, in the book of Nehemiah, Ezra read the Book of the Law of Moses to the people. It is recorded there that ‘ the people all stood up’ and also that ‘ they bowed down and worshiped the LORD with their faces to the ground’. This recording of the people’s actions and reactions does not, by its very fact of occurrence make it a RULE that all believers MUST henceforth do as these ones here have done. So, that a thing HAPPENED in scripture does not make it a COMMAND for everyone else to do likewise. On the other hand, where there is a clear instruction or directive in scripture on a subject matter, it is obligatory on those it is directed at to adhere to such a command. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:16pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Gombs: Good question bro!
Now see the answer given below... 
https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/no-signs.gif In your bid to be deceitful you refused to show the entire trend of the discussion. The posts DID NOT START from where you posted. You are continuing your dishonesty. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 1:34pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Bidam: What's the correlation between tithes and a miracle  This: The recording of an event in scripture does not NECESSARILY make it a command to be followed or even a thing to be emulated by believers. Where there are clear directives on an issue, it is better to go with such instructions rather than make a 'command' or 'doctrine' out of a recorded event. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 1:04pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Image123: Sorry, can't it be a one off like Abraham tithe theory? That Jesus turned water into wine does not translate into an instruction for his followers to begin to do so. Right? In the same way, that Abraham was recorded to have tithed does not make it a command for anyone else to tithe. Do you get it? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:05am On Nov 08, 2014 |
Gombs: Are you now stalking me?  Stalking you? Why?
Unlike those obsessed by the viewing of 'likes', trying to search out IP addresses and so on we are relaxed over these issues. Just enjoying myself.
Note this: There is more to come. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:04pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Gombs: BBG! Funny buddy
Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha, I knew you're surely going to mention Pastor Chris brouhaha, i know it gives you seizures as there are no gossips you normally get from the media, hence, in no short time, your bitterness has brewed into a more finer composition.
Bobo, I knew you can get angry and all and pull funny tantrums, but this is a whole new level. I must say, your transition from Drummaboy is even more interesting. Keep it up, and don't get worked up here.... it makes you look matured as you like to think. Hope you're enjoying the ' TRANSITION' of the thread from focus on the book to the 'drone' it has turned into. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 3:10pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam: You can see no one liked your insult. And i wonder who the kid is here that he was crying wolf about.  So looking at 'likes' has become an obsession for you. Clap for yourself!
You and Gombs seem more excited at looking for ways to put down others. It 'excites' you; you are 'thrilled' at the exercise. In fact, you prefer it because you are not really ready to learn here: You know it all already! So, you prefer to play games rather than engage in any meaningful discussion. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:10am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Gombs: I like making the person bring me a nail and a hammer, then I nail them on the cross they brought! And watch them protest and scream on the cross they brought.  You guys are not only CLOWNS but equally sadists. If you were in the dark ages you'll most probably be physically beheading Christian brethren who have opposing views to yours. One word vooks used in his posts describe you all - DISHONEST. Remember 2 Timothy 3? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 12:53pm On Nov 06, 2014 |
Bidam: I don't read your presentations neither am i a fan of yours. It's either you paste a contrary opinion of yours HERE or stop trolling. Your sometimes childish responses not only show your level of spiritual maturity but also the spirit at work in you. You seem more excited at trying to put-down others than engage in clear discuss. Since one see some of you guys as more of clowns the thing then is to get amused by you when you comment and hope on the other hand that more serious minded readers will be able to sift the wheat from the chaff. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:57am On Nov 06, 2014 |
Bidam: Unlike you, that quotes out of context, i do quote in context. The Holy Spirit doesn't groan outside believers. The Holy Spirit is not an 'itself' rendering of the greek in KJV, so we have to know WHO the Holy Spirit is, ....................
If you have contrary views say so, rather than troll on my posts. If you were really reading others posts you'll have seen that the translation i posted read: "Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words." Secondly, I wrote on the Holy Spirit in my presentation at the E-grace Convention. Maybe again you never cared to follow the presentations. Perhaps you should go back and see my presentation before you end up making unfounded statements. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:47am On Nov 06, 2014 |
Bidam: Yea. The greek in Romans 8:26 literally reads "...the Holy Ghost maketh intercession for us in groanings that cannot be uttered in articulate speech".
Articulate speech means your regular kind of speech. But the Greek stresses that it doesn't only includes groanings escaping from our lips in prayer but also praying in other tongues in 1 cor 14:14 you quoted. What an interpreter!!! Clap for yourself. What you are simply doing here is force your denominational position into your interpretation of scripture. Also you want to cut & paste Bible verses to make your position come out while ignoring the context of each one. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:15pm On Nov 05, 2014 |
mbaemeka: How does he make the intercession for us? Is he outside us? Is he not one with our spirit? Does God pray? Who will God pray to? 1. Is Jesus presently functioning as God in heaven? Is he making intercession for us? 2. The verse of Romans 8:26 is quite clear that it is the Spirit that does it: "Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words." |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 3:10pm On Nov 05, 2014*. Modified: 4:10pm On Nov 05, 2014 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:34pm On Nov 04, 2014 |
Gombs: How is this not ridiculing what you know nothing of? Again, is there anything in the lives of the apostles or the epistles that substantiates this? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 5:59pm On Nov 04, 2014 |
Image123: It gets more ridiculous, can everyone please behave? What's all this heat and noise about nothing? We're not here for ophiology and other irrelevances being given prominence. i want to believe all parties here are professing christians and should so behave, regardless of whatever doctrine or teaching you're attempting to pass across. There's at least an expected level of decorum and piety in religion circles and this is one. Why so much disregard, abuse, insult, rancour, bigotry and disrespect on the section than some other sections. And it's painfully amongst professing Christians. Please again, decorum. Maybe the 'goDs' should help us!Again we see the expressions of mere men with SIN NATURE. But those who say they have no sin nature should tell us what these manifestations are. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:22am On Nov 04, 2014 |
Lobeez: I repeat for the last time, vipers do not strike and hold large prey unless probably Paul was holding unto it. Its funny though to believe he was bitten so badly that the very long fangs of a deadly viper sunk into his flesh and even hung unto it yet so many bible translations said he was 'unharmed' or 'suffered no harm' or 'took no harm'. Two fangs piercing at least 1.5 inches into Paul's hands to me amounts to being hurt. If he 'took no harm' then therein lies the miracle because God prevented him from being bit against the natural response from a viper whose instinct is to strike when cornered. Gombs, Mbaemeka & NlMediator are obviously trying to avoid looking at what the scripture says by engaging in distracting argument. My pointer to the meaning of the word used in the portion in question has been 'conveniently' ignored by them. They never want to admit they are wrong. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 12:37am On Nov 04, 2014 |
nlMediator: To me the whole thing is simple: the community members must be utterly foolish to think of Paul as a god if all that happened was that a snake fastened itself on him. Were they seeing a snake for the first time? While they were waiting to see if he would die, why didn't Paul tell them it was no big deal, because the snake just played with his hand until he shook it off? Is the word used in the original suggestive of 1. Hold on to, or 2. Bite? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:24pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
mbaemeka: The original translations said
1. It fastened in hostility; fit, etc his hand.
2. The Maltans saw it HANGING ON his hand.
3. He shook it off.
4. He FELT no harm and not that the snake DID no harm.
5. The Maltans watched for a long while.
6. When he didn't react to what they had seen, they concluded he was a god.
7. They brought the sick to him.
8. He healed them all. So, still sticking to the word used, no suggestion of the word 'bite' from the Greek? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:53pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Gombs and Mbaemeka,
Only the original languages of Scripture can be said to be accurate in terms of inspiration. Translations cannot be said to carry the same accuracy as the original languages.
Therefore when there appears to be (or actually is) a contradiction between translations the best resort is to go to the original languages. In this case of Acts 28:3 the starting point should be what does the original say? Is the word used in the original suggestive of 1. Hold on to, or 2. Bite? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 4:21pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Gombs, over to you!pickabeau1: Last i remembered... we were reviewing chapter 8
All the key points from the book |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 1:34pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
pickabeau1: seriously..im really lost If you say at what point you got lost it might be possible to fill-in the gap for you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 1:25pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 6:44am On Nov 03, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Let's factor God's sovereignty into salvation. If a man believes the gospel with all his heart and he declares it with his mouth does he have to wait to see if God in all his sovereignty will accept the man's request for salvation? If not then why was this faith certain to receive and how does this faith differ from the faith to get healed? I believe vooks has clearly answered your questions. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:47pm On Nov 02, 2014 |
nannymcphee: In other words, the man who doesn't receive does not have faith? And has Mbaemeka always received 100% all he asked as a 'faith' man? If so maybe the Boko Haram request is apropos. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:06pm On Nov 02, 2014 |
Gombs: Fromt the above bold, Jesus lied to us then
[KJV] Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Jesus was very clear there, maybe what is in your Bible is
[NannymcpheeStandardVersion] Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that maybe ye will receive them, and I shall decide whether you shall have them, my Father's will and sovereignty counts you know!
I'm glad I have a Bible sha, keep your opinion, me mine. Let the page viewers make the right choice by God's Spirit.
Cheers The Position of the Bible The Greek word translated "faith" - Pistis - has as one of its meaning trust or confidence in God and His word.When the WoF movement is linked to groups with aberrant teachings on what faith is, it is because those wrong perceptions of what faith is has been adopted WHOLESALE by the WoF movement and adherents. The "faith" of those cults and groups is actually a reference to what the "mind" (the human mind) can do. What happened is that their "power of the mind" has been replaced with the "force of faith" by the WoF.When faith is seen as a 'spiritual law', 'universal principle' or 'universal law' like the 'law of gravity' it becomes a matter of man's personal mastery over those laws. If man can by speaking cause "things to come to pass" the nature of faith itself has been completely redefined. That redefinition of faith produces a 'faith' that is essentially not that of the Bible. A 'faith ' that is a FOCUS ON MAN and in man's ability to 'tap into', manipulate or control some 'universal law's or even God himself has nothing to do with SOLE trust in God, his power and promises: such a faith is therefore unbiblical. In Biblical faith the focus of the one exercising faith is on God or His word. Throughout the Bible what we find are accounts of men and women who anchored their faith in God not in themselves. The often quoted but misinterpreted and misapplied Hebrews chapter 11 by WoF adherents contains account of those who exhibited faith in God not in some 'law' which only the "initiates" understand. In the also often quoted Mark 11:22-24 we are told that when we pray "it will be done for you". It is God, to whom the prayer is made, who gets it done for you. Since it is not to a 'force of faith' that we are to pray, it follows logically that it is the one to whom we pray who brings about the results. Nowhere in the Bible do we find that we can command whatever we wish into being on our own. What we find is that we must have continual dependence and trust in God no matter the outcome of the answer to our request. Faith is to be anchored on God and on nothing else. Biblical faith is not a trust placed on WORDS or placed in "positive confession". It is a trust placed in God and his WORD. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 12:38pm On Nov 02, 2014 |
[quote ]Can anyone receive anything from God without faith? A yes or no would be fine. Thanks[/quote]" For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." - Matthew 5: 45 |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 3:58am On Nov 02, 2014 |
Candour: Actually there's one on this very thread and in the spirit of ''honestly trying to correct wrong and abusive practices", I took it as a mix up. If you doubt me, I could bring it up.
The point is that we all could make mistakes. I'll very much expect you to attack the veracity of her claims about your church of which she's a member than rubbish her integrity because of a 'blunder' for which she might have cogent explanations. I'm sure if it was one of our big 'mog', you would excuse it as a honest mistake which is the same way Hagin tried to explain away the wrongs of some of the mog in his book.
I believe you're on a quest to establish the truth based on Hagin's book? Pls let's focus on that and its related issues.
Cheers bro Thanks again Candour. I appreciate your interventions. The issues of truth, reliability, etc work should work in all direction. Those who want to use a typo or difference in a doctrinal position to ridicule the other person or refuse to continue discussion must realize that they are themselves imperfect unless of course the believe that as 'gods' they can't be wrong. I believe our focus on this forum should be on the more important issues that can make for impactful Christian living. This can only be got from a genuine interest in knowing and deciding to go by the Word of God rightly divided. Long held views are difficult to give up but humility goes a long way to make anyone teachable. Thanks again. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:48pm On Nov 01, 2014 |
Gombs: Before we continue, I asked a question before, maybe you answered and I missed it, but I'd re-ask. How long did you say you've been in CE? 11? Right? Why ask about how long she's been in CE? Are you wondering why she's not reasoning like you? She ought to have been indoctrinated fully by now, yet you're still seeing some 'independent' views and that is worrying you. Abi? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 12:57pm On Nov 01, 2014 |
Gombs: Now, you've answered, what was the whole fuss about?

Our answers are similar, I still find it unbelievable, but I know with proper mopping by Mba and Bidam, you tend to get a rub off of the Word. Congratulations bro! More grace. The difference is that he was more concise. Yours was too winding and could easily blur the issues. First, interpret the passage thoroughly. Then state any possible application. |