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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 6:34am On Nov 01, 2014

Here we go again!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:02pm On Oct 31, 2014

How many church members have been blackmailed with the ''it is more blessed to give than to receive'' line when infact the first time it was relayed in the bible, Paul directed it to the elders (which must include pastors, bishops etc)?

Resources must flow from those that have to those that have not in the church. May God help us all to abide by this

Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 3:49pm On Oct 31, 2014

Gombs:

You are way different! It takes humility to admit wrong, that my friend is commendable! Much respect sir!

Obviously he's much different from you and Mbaemeka. I hope you'll learn from this. I don't need your response on this, just for you to have personal reflections on it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 1:52pm On Oct 31, 2014

Bidam:
You should take time and study scriptures, pls. And read well what my post says without applying strawman.

Firstly i never ridiculed Paul's persecutions and sufferings those are your statements not mine.

Secondly you implied Paul was poor by you ridiculing about him not getting any "rewards" when he gave his time, money and priveledges for the gospel according to you.

The multiplicity of the 7 churches he planted, was it Paul's effort that multiplied it or God? Remember Paul planted the churches as seeds, what did God reward him with?

Even if he waived his rights to support did you NOT notice his doctrinal stand on GIVINGS he kept emphasing to the corinthians? Remember Paul dedicated a whole chapter 8 and 9 of 2 corinthians on christian generosity? Why would he do that since you said he doesn't want to burden the churches?

Moreso at the tail end of Paul's ministry he was a prisoner and wasn't working, if he gave all his money to the ministry, can you tell us where he got money to rent his OWN apartment for 2YEARS in rome doing nothing till he was to appear before nero in Acts 28:30?

You have a way of trying to take people on a roller coaster ride.
You've not tried to resolve the initial issues and here you are bringing up a new thing.
Now the matter is how Paul made his money: Abi?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:07am On Oct 31, 2014

Bidam:
I don't believe Gombs is of the opinion that given shouldn't be "love driven" or that anyone's act of love should be dependent on any rewards,

What i believe scripture teaches is that "GIVING IS TAUGHT AS RECIPROCAL. Hagin talked about the "Law of sowing and reaping on pg 181. This is conspicuosly absent in your post here.

He said Paul clearly teaches the law of sowing and reaping ( 2 cor 9:6- a far contrast to your "group" assertions that people should give without expecting anything in return which is no where found in scriptures.

Hagin quoted Gal 6:7-8 and Phil 4:14-19 to further drive home a point here. Paul specifically addressed the philippian church that "No church communicated with me concerning GIVING AND RECEIVING, but ye only". So it is in order to say the philippians actually anticipated receving from God because they ministered to Paul's needs.

We often hear folks misquoting Christ and assuming he said that we should "give, hoping for nothing in return", when actually that verse reads "lend hoping for nothing in return". There's is no confusing between "lend" and "give"- and both occur on the basis of Love in His teaching.

Let's take a look at the scripture closely in Luke 6:35 and 38.

To lend is NOT the same as to give.

Giving in a selfless manner does not negate or contradict the fact that it is reciprocal.

If a believer wants to give without expecting anything in return, he or she should clearly be willing to shun all dubious claims to "assurances" and "trust" in God for "rewards" however pretentiously worded. To have assurance or trust in God for His reward at anytime is the same as expecting something in return for giving. All the sweet-talk about 'selfless giving' are lame attempts to deny the obvious.

It is a sanctimonious fallacy often repeated that giving is 'WITHOUT' expecting anything in return from God or man. To maintain that fallacy is to ignore CLEAR teaching of scripture.

Bidam,
What about this:
"So you also, when you have done all that you were commanded, say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.'". - Luke 17:10

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 3:05am On Oct 31, 2014

Thanks Candour and BabaGnoni for keeping focus.
Obviously the WoF "cartel" (I like BabaGnoni's new designation of them!) here on NL lack focus. And a book that is meant to have them face the truth rather than live in denial is not given the desired attention here.
Apparently their intention was flawed from the beginning. Instead of concentrating on issues in the book, at least for other NL readers, they seem to be so myopic that all they see are the few here who are correcting them. They are more excited at throwing words at 'opponents' than truly dig out the message of the book.

It is said that a dying man usually wants to give the most important message. That, I believe, is what Hagin attempts to do here; the underlying message being the need for the WoF crowd to avoid excesses and deviations.

Will their Chief Protagonists on NL pick his core message and do an introspection; Or will pride overcome them?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 5:30pm On Oct 30, 2014*

Image123:
Who are the others? i missed it oh, nobody referred to that post. It was addressed primarily to you as a reply to your post. As it is customary of you, you cannot discuss.

You are a liar. You and your cohorts are against tithing. You don't want us to tithe, you see it as a damnable heresy, you threaten us tithers as surely coming to want.

You are lying again. You are the one picking and choosing my post. Here is my post. It addressed every part of your post, not just some evil line. You said i was really evil, and i simply asked you WHY? What evil have i done? It wasn't a biblical interpretation.

The christian is free to give his tithes. Stop and tell your friends to stop disturbing us about how we should tithe, where we should tithe, to whom we should tithe, or even not to tithe at all. Tell them that the christian is free. Those who MONITOR the individual believer's giving fall into the same category. That is LEGALISM. Please tell Mark and co, they are forever on the tither's neck monitoring.

This is ludicruos. Scripture interpretation doesn't work like that How do you determine a clear opportunity to talk about tithes?

Tithing is giving, i give tithes of all.

I have ran from no question concerning my posts.
It's you and your clan, Gombs and co in particular, who are unable to discuss intelligently. So you people avoid responding to issues.

If you check my threads and posts on tithing you will find the same thing:
1. Believers are now under the New Covenant of Grace, and are subject neither to pre-law customs, such as in Abraham’s day, nor the ordinances of Mosaic Law.
2. There is NO DEMAND placed on the Christian to give. He can choose what to give. He can equally decide HOW to give. Christian giving IS NOT LEGISLATED. No burden is placed on the Christian regarding giving.
So, tell me what I've said differently to make you call me a liar.

You seem to misunderstand the 'monitor' in my post. Nobody monitors anyone on NL. The forum is largely faceless. Those who monitor are pastors and churches who query people, keep records of who or who doesn't pay tithe, ask those who go to them for counseling if they tithe and why it may be the reason for their problems, etc. You know such people are all in your camp. That is what I referred to as LEGALISM. Such people don't admit that the Christian is FREE to choose how to give. They insist that the Christian is obligated to tithe. Those are the LEGALISTS.
Are you one of them?

What is laughable is the fact that I did NO scripture interpretation on the Acts 5 passage but you appear to think so. How?
What i said was this: "Obviously this was a clear opportunity for Peter to have talked about tithing. How come he missed it out?"
How this amounts to scripture interpretation in your own estimation is what is comical.

Let me ask you this:
If you "give tithes of all" on what basis do you do it?
I'd like to know. For all you know it might just help me.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 4:24pm On Oct 30, 2014

Bidam:
Do you believe in spiritual gifts? If you don't please refer to my thread.

Now you are behaving true to type.
Why do you ALWAYS find it difficult to give direct responses to questions you are asked?

You now want to send me on a wild goose chase, Abi?
Now, you refer to my post during the e-grace convention to know the answer to your above question.

PS:
BTW, Shdemidemi has said it:
"This your way of avoiding the truth does not reflect one who is sincere to the faith."

Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 3:04pm On Oct 30, 2014

Bidam:
It isn't evasive and neither is my response based on competition, funny it is the other way round. All i have said is based on scripture and the only guy among your "group" who tried to provide a weak lay response to my post with his usual opinions which in no way addressed my post is winsomex.

Your post did not addressed what i said and it is irrelevant.

So, what have you said here? Nothing!

He refered to your post on God still speaking through human lips, asking you to stay within the confine of scripture.
The next thing you say is that you're not writing for immature folks.

If you are not being evasive tell us where what you said is found in scripture.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:34am On Oct 30, 2014*

Gombs:
I know he would!

They would never experience it, because of their ridiculing things they do not understand! Sad for them

That was why I understood why folks of old thought em disciples were drunk after the Holy Spirit fell on them.

Forget these guys, I already explained the greek for ministering and minister in that Hebrews if they cannot understand plain English, how would they greek?

The secret is that they heed the voice of His word, they do not respond to the divine intent of God by itself, but they need the spoken word of God to be released. The word "heed" is a hebrew word that means "to hear intelligently with an implication of instant obedience in action". The word "voice" means to call aloud and "word"(dabar) means a thing spoken forth.

This is to say that these mighty warring exceedingly strong angels who are obedient to act instantly in agreement with divine intent, will hear intelligently and obey in powerful action when the word in the mind of God is uttered forth aloud through human lips in the earth. They minister for us the church. If we speak out the things that is in the mind of God( praying in the Spirit and also with scriptural insights and understanding), then the angelic powers in the spirit realm with praises and blessing on their lips go out to fight and win.

Not only do they advance the battle for us, they also act as a security force in the spirit realm to guard against enemy backlash. God issues a specific command on this in Psalam 91:11-13.

I would have loved you to get a copy of Noel woodroffe on governmental prayer. My God! That guy is a blessing.

Experiences can be real. Experiences may not be denied. However, if the Bible has given us everything we need to face life and live our spiritual life (2 Peter 1: 3-4) can we and should we use it (the Bible) to evaluate every experience?

Do we find ANYTHING in the experiences of those in the Bible that suggests that the believer has the right and authority today to command angels?

Do we find anywhere in the Bible where angels responded to words -
"uttered forth aloud through human lips in the earth"?

Psalm 91: 11 starts off by saying: "For he (i.e. God - the Most High) will command his angels ... ..."
So, how does this amount to:
" If we speak out the things that is in the mind of God( praying in the Spirit and also with scriptural insights and understanding), then the angelic powers in the spirit realm with praises and blessing on their lips go out to fight and win."?
Who gives the 'COMMAND' here, God or man?

The world is enthralled by spirits and today's Christian feels he needs to create his counterpart. He turns to a legitimate thing in scripture and twists it fit his own view.

Are we to assume that 21st century Gombs knows more about angels than the apostles knew or the Bible reveals?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 8:51am On Oct 30, 2014

Image123:
You speak without much sense of pedigree. Hopefully, that's not the way you read and comprehend, at least not in real life.
Do you have copies of ALL the sermon outlines of John & Thomas as to assert that they did not teach about the Holy Communion? My questions are not rheotorical, they can be answered in a straight and plain manner. Why do you assert without proof that the apostles and early christians NEVER taught tithing?

It is not an invented theory, it is a very probable thing that some early christians gave tithes. i have given reasons why already, you can go and read it. It was just a few hours ago on this thread.

You hardly see anything clearly, the little that i've known of you on NL.

Tithing is not serious, quote and unquote. how many times do i have to say that already? Even today, i still compared it to kindergaten. It is you and your cohorts that take tithing so serious and fearfully gnash your teeth at the possibility of parting with up to 10% of your income. There were more important and weightier matters of the law, like judgement, faith and mercy. There is no need to be mentioning tithe in every book of the Bible like it is some serious matter. your friend winx thinks so great of tithing that he thinks it a damnable heresy. That is, those that tithe are liable to damnable heresy, they may be damned on judgement day. Tithing is not as serious as having a calling or ministry of making people see the night that they should not tithe. It is not worth all that. The hypocrisy of the average antitither.
Also, have you seen Matthew 233v23 lately? i will show you, don't worry.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus said judgment, mercy, and faith are the weightier matters of the law. Are they binding on the christian? Can we have faith, or we can decide not to? Is it okay to be merciless as this is a weighty matter of the law. Perhaps, you have also disregarded the CLEAR directive, who knows.

Degeneration? Do you even know the meaning of degeneration? Who has hindered you from enjoying freedom? ~~Gnoni?~~.
What is so evil about me giving God my money. Like Pilate asked, Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him. i take my own money that God has given me, and determine to give God 10% of it consistently. And you decide to call me all sort of names, and demand that i explain why i do what i do. Lemme leave you with this question from the Master Himself. Answer it, and get offfffffffff our backs for good.
Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

Image123
Others have largely answered you on issues raised in your post so there's no need to repeat what they've said.

Like most, if not all, of us on my side of the divide have made clear, we are not against any Christian deciding how to give. What we are against (and is EVIL) is the lie that the Christian today IS STILL MANDATED to tithe.

(Like is common with you guys, you just took the word 'evil' from my write up, looked for a passage where it appeared and then use that to talk. Biblical interpretation doesn't work like that)

The Christian is FREE to choose how to give. That is the liberty into which Christ has put us. Those who claim tithing is mandated and threaten the Christian with hell are PUTTING A YOKE OF BONDAGE on Christians. That is evil.
Those who MONITOR the individual believer's giving fall into the same category. That is LEGALISM.

Look at what Peter told Ananias in Acts 5:
"While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
Obviously this was a clear opportunity for Peter to have talked about tithing. How come he missed it out?

So, again, what we are against IS NOT giving by the Christian. What we are against is the yoke of bondage put on believers by leaders who should know better.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:10am On Oct 30, 2014

nlMediator:
You misunderstand the role of a mediator. He's not one that doesn't have a personal bias. I recommend a good dictionary.

As to laughter, I hate to burst your bubble, but truth is that I don't even bother to watch any of those videos from you guys. If I want to watch or listen to Hagin, I know where to go: my book shelf and other credible places. That said, laughter is a potent, scriptural weapon of spiritual warfare, which has been effective for Hagin, me and others. I thank Bro. Hagin for his teaching on that. Because spiritual laughter inflicts damage to the devil, he hates it. The best he can do is recruit some Christians to deride it with the vain hope that the weapon will be dropped. Fat chance!

I find NO scriptural justification for this your statement on laughter:
"That said, laughter is a potent, scriptural weapon of spiritual warfare, which has been effective for Hagin, me and others. I thank Bro. Hagin for his teaching on that. Because spiritual laughter inflicts damage to the devil, he hates it."

Nothing in scripture ties laughter to spiritual warfare not to talk of it being a POTENT WEAPON for our spiritual warfare.

The Scripture says in 2 Corinthians 10 that:
"3 For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds."

When as Ephesians 6:12 says:
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places." how do you think a human 'resource', laughter, becomes a potent weapon in a spiritual struggle?

No matter how fine-sounding an argument may be it MUST have a biblically sound basis for it to be a footing to live the spiritual life.

Experience not consistent with scripture should not be made doctrine. Reliance upon such personal experiences over and above clear biblical teachings is one of the things that has weakened Christian testimony today.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If You Must Pay Tithe, Do It Right. by trustman: 10:53pm On Oct 29, 2014

oiu123:
you know that tithing is in the bible

You know too that animal sacrifices is also in the Bible.
Do you still do animal sacrifices today? If so, how?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 10:35pm On Oct 29, 2014

Image123:
Anybody can decide what he wants to do with his income. That Jerome or Luke does not write about it doesn't mean it DID NOT happen. It was said that someone usually gave 90% of his money to church, well that was said. What about others that were not said? What is so impossible about someone giving a tenth to levites and another tenth to the church. Didn't people give much more, even in the early church? If people are giving sacrificially, and selling their possessions, and giving graciously and in abundance of their joy and their deep poverty. Why then go to kindergaten to teach the persons about giving 10%? Why would i enter a JAMB class or WAEC class and insist on teaching them the times-table? Is it not taken for granted that they know much more than the 2 times-table? What practice was never revealed to the apostles and the early church? Do you have a copy of all their sermon outlines with you? Do you hear of John or Thomas teaching about the Holy Communion? Does it mean they(in particular) never taught it? Is it not implied in Jesus words to Teach them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. Wasn't Jesus clearly speaking to the multitudes and HIS disciples in Matthew 23v1? Would the multitudes and disciples be scot-free if they behaved like the pharisees(if Jesus wasn't talking to them)? Wasn't Jesus talking to a pharisee when He said to be born again, or to render to God the things that are God's?

So because we do not have copies of ALL the sermon outlines of John & Thomas you can begin to fabricate a theory that they taught tithing?

So because, like you said, "That Jerome or Luke does not write about it doesn't mean it DID NOT happen." then you can invent the theory that the early Christians paid tithe?

It is clear that the revealed Word doesn't mean much to you. This is truly unfortunate.

The book of Acts covered decades of the church life. If tithing were as 'serious' as some of you are making it out to be, why is it CONSPICUOUSLY absent in this book?
How is it that even the CLEAR directive to the church that the Mosaic Law is not binding on the Christian is even ignored or disregarded by you guys?
How come the EPISTLES that give the blueprint for the Christian way of life also miss out on tithing?

That today's Christian would rather go back to the prescribed way of life for Israel to define his spiritual life shows the extent of degeneration the church has plunged into.
That the freedom we are to enjoy in Christ has been largely eroded by you LEGALISTS shows how evil you guys really are.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:12pm On Oct 29, 2014

Image123:
What part of "i don't care to know" do you not understand? Why are you still asking me to ask someone else about it?
Oh i see, you are trying to subtly do a parallel Gnoni stuff by blackmailing Bidam with this thread? i do not expect him to deny the thread or what he tried to teach there. We still await Gnoni's and perhaps your dumbness loosed in Jesus'name.

Blackmail?
I'm not disappointed at your 'brilliance', not at all.
Cogratullations on your dazzling deduction!

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:20pm On Oct 29, 2014

Image123:
Baseless and useless assessments, i must say. What is the spirit of python? Don't bother, i don't care to know. What is with you guys and your extrabiblical practices and teaching? Yet if another does same, you would be in frontline condemning.

Rev 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Maybe you should ask your friend Bidam about 'The spirit of Python'. He's well versed in it.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:53am On Oct 29, 2014

Gombs:
Your opinion is duly noted! Thanks for the compliment! Now, run back to the sewers of NL and regroup, next chapter is coming up, and if you don’t like the thresd anymore, please do the needful.

Warm Regards,
Gombs Esq

It would appear you didn't remember that I mentioned that we're here for the long haul.
After all my post which you "duly noted" is on the book or you didn't notice that?
Come on Gombs, you're too 'smart' for that!

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:30am On Oct 29, 2014

Gombs:
Eyaaa

Remember this by Hagin?:
"There are a number of teachings and practices in the Church today, particularly among Charismatic groups, that can lead to misunderstandings and hurtful problems. Many times, these errors are the result of people taking a Bible verse, or part of a verse, out of context or by carrying an application too far. Sometimes there has been an overzealous attempt to make a New Testament application of some Old Testament phrase or technicality that absolutely does not apply. Taken to the extreme, these teachings can become abuses and false practices."

Ask yourself (i.e. application of that statement - not just getting 'thrilled' or 'excited' or any of those words you like to use) this question:
"Am I guilty of any of these things?"

That is what Hagin wanted from his clan - introspection and a willingness to 'repent'.
If you didn't get that message then the book has been of no value to you, cynic Gombs.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:19am On Oct 29, 2014

Gombs:
So because it is not related to the thread, we should ignore it shey?
[KJV] 2 Corinthians 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

Honesty precede everything! Paul knew as much!

Why should I discuss with dishonest folks? Solomon knew better too

[NLT] Proverbs 2:7 He grants a treasure of common sense to the honest. He is a shield to those who walk with integrity.

2 Corinthians 4:2
"But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God."

You WoF guys are those who haven't "renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways".
You "practice cunning".
You "tamper with God's word".
You DO NOT have "The Truth" in you.
You need to have your minds COMPLETELY OVERHAULED.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 6:55am On Oct 29, 2014

Bidam:
I am not sure the guy is a christian, maybe an agnostic who loves reading the bible.

I'm beginning to think that you guys may be possessed by the "Spirit of Python".
Your actions are gradually exposing your inside.
My assessment of you guys is being confirmed.
We'll soon know who's what.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:08pm On Oct 28, 2014

vooks:
Not EVERYbody, just SOMEbody. Who ever demanded nothing from you?

Vooks,
Warning!
Prepare for Image123's merry-go-round.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 12:02pm On Oct 28, 2014

Gombs:
Your opinion is duly noted! I understand why you don't want to snitch-Omerta!

Thanks for stopping by!

I take it then that your silence on the issues I've pointed out means consent.
Noted for future action.

Really, you WoF crowd need serious soul searching. Where 'doctrines of men' have replaced biblical teachings and the 'wisdom of men' take precedence over divine wisdom ANYTHING goes for you lot.

You have proven yourselves to be acting like mere men. And when one talks about the influence of the sin nature you guys will claim to be 'NEW CREATURES' who walk in 'spiritual cloud' far removed from other mortals.
Yet what we have seen displayed here is the manifestation of the sin nature in the WoF crowd when they felt threatened. A definite confirmation of my position on the sin nature.

Look at yourselves fighting back like the Serpent!

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:14am On Oct 28, 2014

Gombs:
Save you thrash for the gullible! Lordreed has cleared the air, but in desperate attempt to keep your ally away from further downward trend into the pit of dishonesty and deception, you refuse to call a spade a spade, but rather you chose to make your rectum jealous of your mouth (or in this case fingers) in spitting crap!

You are the gullible, you and your WoF devotees. You swallow everything and anything offered to you by your WoF preachers.

Since this thread has now given liberty to everyone to add whatever let's go ahead then.

You Gombs, and your WoF crowd who are attempting to draw me into a discussion I should decide whether to be in or not, are dishonest and deceptive like the Serpent.

Your attempt to force me into what I do not wish to join is not only a failure on your part in an aspect of a basic christian doctrine but a move that is no different from what the Beast will employ during the tribulation. Maybe you share some traits with him then.

Those who have expressed the most unspiritual stance on this forum are you LEGALISTIC WoF crowd.

We will continue in this open forum as long as we wish. You modern day PHARISEES have no resources within you to deter us. We will choose what to do or what not to do. We will decide whether to continue or withdraw.

Vincit Omnia Veritas

Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:59am On Oct 28, 2014

Bidam:
Ofcos i understand you don't want to be a SNITCH. If you are afraid of babagnoni say so, so we could cast out the spirit of fear in you.

@Lordreed, thanks for bailing me out.

@gombs no mind these folks jare, i no get their time.

Trustman as usual you have proved the bible right that "woe is he that trust man.

Now all you have to do is tell your ally winsomeX to tender an unreserved apology for calling it "bidam's invention" before i could treat your anomalies you call a question.

You are again behaving true to type.
I was referring to you but you are trying to shift attention to some other thing.
If you want to talk to others go to their posts.

You claim you are busy, yet you're still 'available' making posts. What do call that? Give it a name yourself.

If you want to be constructive post on issues the thread is on or 'buzz' off.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:11am On Oct 28, 2014

Gombs:
Hello all, I was doing some digging, to get the old WoF thread back, and guess what I stumbled on!

BabaGnoni, did you at anytime imply the Eve and Snake thing? A straight answer would determine if I should pull out the thread from hectic processes I don't want to go into!

Bidam has a point!

Mba sid the thread was washed away by the tsunami! And he's right, The thread was around April this year! I am beginning to think someone is obviously lying

BabaGnoni, for integrity sake, did you imply such?

One attributes you guys have is that of being mischievous.
You are a bunch of crooks hiding under the umbrella of Christianity.

As far as this thread is concerned you, the originator, had a motive for bringing it up. However, when you saw that it was not quite working out like you thought you have resorted to underhand tactics.

Are these the kind of people bred in CEC?

People who don't think right and lack integrity?
Maybe if Seun is looking for those responsible for crashing his site he doesn't have to look far.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:58am On Oct 28, 2014

Bidam:
Can you say your friend babgnoni didn't say what he said? Let's tackle this issue first and move on...winsomex want it settled once and for all.
....... ........ ........
The questions you posed at me came "AFTER" and not "BEFORE" the babagnoni debacle so the onus is on you to clear the "air" so sanity can be restored to the thread, if really you are the good christian you claim...And what part of the "i am busy" statement don't you get? Am i going to win a lottery for all these SMH!

If you are too busy to respond to 'relevant' issues why not simply 'buzz' off.
You're busy yet you want to:
"Let's tackle this issue first and move on..."

You're busy but not so much that you cannot be a 'busybody'

I have raised issues about Hagin's book. Tackle those first.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:30am On Oct 28, 2014

Bidam:
I am busy...i don't have time for threads, i only read and make comments when neccessary.

What were you taught in your foundation class concerning the genesis account?

You are the one attacking the lord spoke to me "rhema" and logos stuffs.

So what are your intepretations of babagnoni "rhema"?

Here we see 'busy' Bidam attempting to subtly prolong the diversion by introducing another issue - rhema versus logos debate.

He hasn't used his available time for this thread to answer questions on Hagin's book.
A book Gombs and co were so 'thrilled' about.

When he is told to open another thread on other issues he's too busy to do that.
But not too busy to create more diversions.

Let it be noted that those who have taken it upon themselves to shift focus away from the real issues on this thread are the creators and 'sponsors' of this thread themselves.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 7:05am On Oct 28, 2014

Image123:
i'm speaking it to you. Same excuse can be made for any of the epistles as written to so and so, not you. God's house is not only in Jerusalem.

Because you are " depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain" (1 Timothy 6:5) you are yoked to legalistic tithing because of what you hope to 'get' from it. You are self-deceived, lost all objectivity and have brainwashed yourself into thinking that scripture must be interpreted to fall in line with your 'doctrines', whatever they are.
Who was OT primarily written to?
Who is the NT epistles written to?
Which covenant is any Jew part of today?
Will sticking to the Mosaic law and rejection of Jesus save any Jew today?
Friend, when you think, think rightly, not with a warped mind.
PS:
Like you said it yourself -
"Image123:
Learn to take simple corrections humbly instead of resorting to conjectures and childish 'last say' comments."

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:40pm On Oct 27, 2014

mbaemeka:
You will derail this thread again. Romans 8

9 But you are not living the life of the flesh, you are living the life of the Spirit, if the [Holy] Spirit of God [really] dwells within you [directs and controls you].

The Christian is NOT living in the flesh. Period. What affected me was my mind that requires more renewing

See who's talking!
Go back and see as many pages as you can and tell me if i have not consistently pushed for moving forward.
All i see is you guys wanting a 'fight' rather return to the book.
My questions have remained unanswered by you guys because your 'fight' was a needed diversion away from the real issues.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:34pm On Oct 27, 2014

mbaemeka:
I meant it in the sense that Isaac was Abraham's "best". But I understand you.

Okay. The point I was also trying to make is that they were aware of the principle.

.... ..... ......

A 'Principle' has to do with some rule or law or similar thing.
Any principle to be derived for the Christian way of life should
have a strong backing in the epistles which like Hagin said:
" So to me, the Epistles are a little bit extra special. I feel as though their teaching has great relevance to us today who are members of the Body of Christ. I've always found the teaching of the Epistles to be right to the point, clear, and unmistakable."

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:15pm On Oct 27, 2014

mbaemeka:
I regretted sending it right after. Some of these guys can make one make posts that would cause one to end up apologizing to God for.

Old Sin Nature at work!!
Perfect example!
Always there; needs to be constantly kept in check.
If we say we have no sin nature ... ...

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:12am On Oct 27, 2014

nannymcphee:
I have been silent since because of the bickering. It is too much, one can even get lost, this thread was supposed to be on the Midas touch & maybe the subject of prosperity not covered by the book.

Gombs you are still of the opinion that the so called "anti WOFers" have problem with giving(because of the bolded part)

you are wrong & I stand to be corrected, I give, I believe in giving & also believe that love should be one's motivating factor. My stand on the Christian giving is summarized in 2 Corinthians 9.

I have also seen from scripture how God intervened on behalf of men as they gave sacrificially & how he also moved without them giving(eg extension of hezekiah's life & miracle oil with the widow)

Striking a balance between the above lies on the leading of the Holy Spirit & not some man made formular

At this junction, I want to call on DrummaBoy, WinsomeX, vooks, Candour, trustman, BabaGnoni, Loobeez & all the "anti WOFer's to state their stance on the Christian giving, so that we all know where we stand on the subject for posterity sake

Thanks

I had already given some information on Christian giving, part of which included the following:
One of the key things regarding Christian GIVING is that it is to be a gracious response to the grace of God the Christian has experienced. There is no compulsion in it. There is NO DEMAND placed on the Christian to give. He can choose what to give. He can equally decide HOW to give. Christian giving IS NOT LEGISLATED. No burden is placed on the Christian regarding giving.

However if you wish to have more detail we can have a go at it.

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