Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:35pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
Gombs: Candour! Let me get to my hotel room first. Good evening. Whenever you want to run for cover you dig up one excuse or the other. While you are at it remember my challenge: Can you show clearly how I manipulated your post so that we know who should bow his head in shame?Let it be clear to Gombs, Image123 and Bidam that they have been clearly shown where their 'heroes' used the curse of Malachi 3 on Christians. Any future denials will not just mark them out as liars but as the right hand men of the father of lies. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:20am On Nov 18, 2014 |
Gombs: You really nhave a warped reasoning ability. You see how you subtly manipulated my post? You should bow your head in shame Can you show clearly how I manipulated your post so that we know who should bow his head in shame? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 7:24am On Nov 18, 2014 |
Bidam: And i have not seen any so far, if they are threatened then it's wrong.  Now, Bidam, are you really being truthful on this? Will you say you've heard or read no person or church advocating tithe payment today 'threatening' believers with 'robbing God' and the eventual possibility of ending up in hell? Or losing blessings or health, etc? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:14am On Nov 18, 2014 |
Gombs: Good questions
I measure impact from ....................
My gifs made alotta folks mad bro! 
Now, that's Impact. ................ [/color] Impact is making "alotta folks mad bro!"Whao!! That's IMPACT? Getting 'excited' by others' hurt? By their expressions we shall know them! |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 6:09am On Nov 18, 2014*. Modified: 6:26am On Nov 18, 2014 |
I agree with WinsomeX' submission on BabaGnoni's response to nanny.
One thing that comes out from nanny's write-up is that it's moved from the somewhat passive stand that was exhibited in the WoF thread to a more 'aggressive' approach in this.
In spite of that ISSUES were still not addressed. I would have been more delighted to see if the core issues in the WoF thread were brought out and shown to be either in line with or out of line with scripture and church history.
Vincit Omnia Veritas. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:58am On Nov 17, 2014 |
Gombs: See this one, you think I'm you? I like Jo would choose honesty, than reputation, I can't say so for some who'd rather sell theirs for a morsel of eba. If you are pained by my exercise of freewill which God has graciously given me I owe you no explanation. Learn to deal with it. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 8:27am On Nov 17, 2014 |
Bidam: You logic doesn't follow here. According to Jewish tradition the man represents the whole of his household..irrespective of which clan or tribe he belongs to. You simply refuse to reason and learn. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 7:41am On Nov 17, 2014 |
Image123: Again, nobody was hinting on your physical blindness. i linked you to the post where i got that and the post wasn't talking about physical blindness. Go and ask God to show you Truth, you would appreciate it. i'm out  So you couldn't find a better illustration than that to use? You know clearly what you did. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:33am On Nov 17, 2014 |
SirJohn: Hmmm! someone is not sounding so confident anymore, 'What if?' well you may be in for a very long wait  Last time I checked, there were three hospital test result we were supposed to see, for the first one, after nearly a month of pressure, Jeff said the doctor who diagnosed him in PH has been transferred from the hospital; now you tell me Bro Gombs, does that prevent him getting his medical records? Okay lets assume he has to chase the doctor, he 'went' to Owerri after Joagbaje sent him 30K and left Owerri without even giving Jo any feedback. It was when I asked Jo about the outcome of the trip, he called Jeff and what did Jeff say? He told Jo he got the results but was robbed on his way back and that he lost the results in the process he claimed he had to be hospitalized by some policemen. And Jo believed him, I bet even you Gombs would have raised a red flag here.
For the second hospital, even when he could have just walked in and requested for the report, he didn't. It had to take someone else' effort to get the HIV positive result out and guess what? even though he claimed in Jo's video that he tested negative there, there was no such record in that hospital.
So that leaves us with one more right? FMC
In all my conversations with him, he hardly ever mentions FMC so I had to quiz him on that. My question to him was "In the video you mentioned going to the FMC am I correct?" he answered to the affirmative "Okay so what did you go to the FMC to do?" Jeff said he went to the FMC to collect anti retro-viral drugs. When I asked if he tested at the FMC, he couldn't give me a direct answer but he later said he did, when I asked what the result was, he again couldn't give me a direct answer. I pushed and pushed and then he told me it was positive but they later called him to say they made a mistake that the result was negative. Another red flag!
So unless Joagbaje plans to catch Jeff (who is currently on the run) and run a fresh test on him (which will most likely be positive given the circumstances), It is clear there was no negative result anywhere and the wafi guy has just pulled a cheap con on the man of god.
Well this is my third attempt to verify Joagbajes bogus claims, the first I think was a young boy he claimed he healed of a hole in the heart, he said he had x-ray evidence; when I asked Jo to produce the X-ray, he later turned and said he didn't have it, this was years ago. The second of course was the 'blind' woman, my only regret was that I never recorded the conversation I had with her like I did for Jeff. She said in very clear English that 'she was not blind' I even spoke with her brother and it was the same thing he told me. but when Jo called her back, she denied ever telling me that and told Jo I was a liar. At least, from this latest story, you can now judge who was lying. Its either these people are afraid to disappoint Joagbaje so they lie to massage his 'MOG ego' or Joagbaje himself is the one lying. All Gombs and co are doing is simply to 'create' an escape route for their ally. Again the issue was clear and you have been able to prove that this guy Jeff wasn't healed of HIV. That was the challenge. Not if joagbaje was deceived. Not anything else. Will Joagbaje keep his own side of the bargain? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 4:13pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Bidam When this happened: "And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until [size=14pt]the nation[/size] took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." Did the fighters here include women and children? Yet was it not 'the nation' that was mentioned? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:25pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Gombs: [NLT] Proverbs 11:3 Honesty guides good people; dishonesty destroys treacherous people.
You sold your honesty and integrity covering up for BBG.
Gombs
Nannymcphee in her 'mix up'
I Failed woefully to comprehend the above.
You've said it all ma'am.
Stop acting like you have amnesia! It's a lame defence strategy.
See saint na! You seriously want me to start fishing all of them? For starters, read the below part of thos your post. If you don’t see derogatory or condescending in them...fine. 
I did not miss them...I ignored them.
Ouch! LambanoPeace said you've made a memory verse outta those words... you term it a mere typographical error? Before, it was a 'mix up', later it would be what?
I've answered that, but I'd give you a one time answer. He's a well refined MOG... he did not lie here nor commit any fraud, ask SirJohn for further details, for Jo could have bribe his way out, and that'd be all, but unlike trustman, he chose honesty and not reputation. He should be applauded. You on the other hand, had a 'mix up', suddenly developed amnesia, and now, you're the victim, for you made a mere typographical error. If I was hard on you then, accept my apologies, but you sure should know writings are the keast forgiving by now. Pass that message to the next generation.
I still don't. Your putting your age here make me doubt you further.
See the saint who asked me to look for derogatory speeches from her. I see my gifs gives alot of you seizures....interesting . I use them when I lack how to put my words in better ways.
What if Jeff gets a HIV negative result? Ah! The headline would be "Jo has finally paid Jeff or the hospital folks". My man, one day, God's willing, you'd meet with Jo, or visit CE Bayelsa. Testimonies abound. I was there for Super Sunday around July and 3 days of Glory with Pastor T. T. Edun. Joagbaje invited me. God through Joagbaje has wrought alot of miracles, and yes, i verified them myself... Joagbaje is a well refined MOG, a unique one at that, who'd have time out of heading more than 200 churches under him to come on NL and try to teach what he knows work well by the Holy Spirit.
It's ok to doubt him sha, and for folks to call him fraud.  I hope you understand the meaning of what you write.
If so maybe you need to look again at what you wrote and see if it makes any sense. As usual with your clan all you try to do is look for issues, no matter how far removed from that at hand, to confuse matters at hand. If anyone is not being straightforward it's you and your clan.
Do you know the meaning of cover-up? I don't think you do. Maybe you need to check it up before making claims you can't substantiate. Who are those attempting to cover-up Joagbaje in this case? Just look at what you wrote: " What if ....." " God through Joagbaje has wrought alot of miracles, and yes, i verified them myself... Joagbaje is a well refined MOG, a unique one at that" " What if....." - If, If, If, : are we talking about possibilities here or an actual event that happened and its outcome? So you verified a lot of miracles wrought through Joagbaje? How interesting. Hope if we ask for proof it wouldn't turn out to be the same as Jeff's case? Hope in all these you guys can see that 'gods' are fallible, live with a sin nature which they should never deny and so deceive themselves, and most importantly must not be put on a pedestal that God hasn't apportioned to any man. Every man still has feet of clay. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:36am On Nov 15, 2014 |
Gombs: candour and trustman,i am with my phone now,wait a while let me get a hold of my tab.
i have great answers for you both Waiting! |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:24am On Nov 15, 2014 |
Candour: @the bolded, including the 'miracle' that never was? Perhaps this is playing out in their lives: "1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared," |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:11am On Nov 15, 2014 |
Gombs: sadly true. nannymcphee to has her measure of strife and bitterness after i stopped her in her erroneous tracks.
but like paul,non of these things move me. " 18 There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing. 19 Truthful lips endure forever, but a lying tongue is but for a moment. " Prov. 12 |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:52am On Nov 15, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Its about time one starts responding to only serious and sound minded people. I think I'm on the same page with you on this. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:50am On Nov 15, 2014 |
Bidam: And a vulture troll always there to take sides. I don't blame you, after the babagnoni debacle your mind is full of bitterness and strife cos i exposed who you really are behind the mask. A hypocrite and a back stabber.  Obviously your twisted mind is working against you. Is your recall being affected? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:03am On Nov 15, 2014 |
shdemidemi: I did watch the video Mr bidam.... How does the video change what scripture says? Don't mind him. Instead of looking at scripture he would rather look for ways to cause distraction. Let's see if he will answer your question. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mistakes Joagbaje Made by trustman: 7:39am On Nov 15, 2014 |
It's AMAZING how some of you guys act true to predictions! You ignore the real issues and then attempt to twist the whole story against the person who carefully and truthfully investigated and brought out the correct position. The devil would really want you guys in his 'elite corps'. Who made the initial claim? Who gave the initial challenge? Were any of these solicited for anyone to suggest a set-up? You guys are almost impossible to reason with. Now you want to reconstruct the story and get another victim. For the avoidance of doubt here's a post I made on the matter: trustman: Joagbaje was very emphatic, one can even say too emphatic, about this case. That posture should ordinarily mean that he was very sure of his position. Offering half a million Naira would appear to any observer that he was absolutely confident of his claim. A person has to be completely sure to have gone that far.
However, given the turn of events it is obvious that Joagbaje not only failed to " test the spirits to see whether they are from God" but may himself now be classified among the " many false prophets (that) have gone out into the world." By this revelation ALL his other claims, and even his church's, are now QUESTIONABLE.
SirJohn has been able to prove that this guy wasn't healed of HIV. That was the challenge. Not if joagbaje was deceived. Not anything else. Will Joagbaje keep his own side of the bargain? That is the 'common sense' thing to do. I don't seem to have seen him respond to SirJohn's simple questions. Is it a question of 'silence means consent' or that of tactical withdrawal to 'rearm'? I see some 'suggestions' being offered to Joagbaje by some who think "The only clear thing here is folks blowing stuffs out of proportions.". Really!! Does the word 'INTEGRITY' mean anything to these guys?
The bigger issue now is really this: will they learn from this or simply attribute it to the devil's work and continue to peddle their trade? The lives of many other people are at stake.
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 9:04pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
Image123: You have knowingly or unknowingly turned a blind eye on my reply to you. Perhaps, you understand the point and are keeping mute instead of publicly accepting or seeking further clarification. Don't do the usual of departure for a season only to come repeat the same trip statement. He has dealt with an issue you raised. If you think he has not addressed it well point it out instead of your usual accusations which are in reality your faults labelled on others. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by trustman: 7:08pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
Joagbaje was very emphatic, one can even say too emphatic, about this case. That posture should ordinarily mean that he was very sure of his position. Offering half a million Naira would appear to any observer that he was absolutely confident of his claim. A person has to be completely sure to have gone that far.
However, given the turn of events it is obvious that Joagbaje not only failed to " test the spirits to see whether they are from God" but may himself now be classified among the " many false prophets (that) have gone out into the world." By this revelation ALL his other claims, and even his church's, are now QUESTIONABLE.
SirJohn has been able to prove that this guy wasn't healed of HIV. That was the challenge. Not if joagbaje was deceived. Not anything else. Will Joagbaje keep his own side of the bargain? That is the 'common sense' thing to do. I don't seem to have seen him respond to SirJohn's simple questions. Is it a question of 'silence means consent' or that of tactical withdrawal to 'rearm'? I see some 'suggestions' being offered to Joagbaje by some who think "The only clear thing here is folks blowing stuffs out of proportions.". Really!! Does the word 'INTEGRITY' mean anything to these guys?
The bigger issue now is really this: will they learn from this or simply attribute it to the devil's work and continue to peddle their trade? The lives of many other people are at stake. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by trustman: 10:01pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Joagbaje: MY FULL RESPONSE
i will summarize . ................................................................ I can send the screen shot of the whatsapp conversation to Gombs if he could post it for me. Sir john also saw the chat because I posted the screen shot to him also.That's that about the Video.
Then concerning his healing. Noe Somebody may ask why i didn't insist on seeing the medical report.the answer is simple I know beyond doubt that the person I prayed for in that video was healed . So the issue is was it Jeff?. And Jeff confirmed he was. So I had double assurance . [size=14pt]The witness of the spirit in me on the day of prayer[/size] and Jeff affirmation. My shock came when Jeff's pastor watched the video and said it's not Jeff and he gave the video to Jeff and said Jeff said he's not sure it's him. I gave the development feedback to Sirjohn that they said it's not him. And Sirjohn told me that Jeff had admitted to him before also that he watched the video and that he was the one. Sirjohn even posted the audio of the conversation. And he warned that he doesn't trust Jeff . ...................................................................... @ bolded This is also called to question. Which spirit? How? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by trustman: 9:04pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Topgainer: Can Somebody tell Goons Gombs to stop flooding this thread with USELESS GRAPHICS,
We are not JOKING here. This is a serious issue any Christian should be concerned about [size=14pt]He's proving himself not only to be a CLOWN but also suffering from some psychological (pathological?) condition. Maybe he needs to visit the FMC.[/size] |
Christianity Etc › Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by trustman: 12:14pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
This should be an interesting one. I'm looking forward to it. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:07pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
Image123: Pro 10:22 The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.
The demisquare version says "The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich in previous dispensations, and he addeth sorrows with it to make us selfless."
The voks version says "The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich before before, and he addeth no sorrow with it."
The spirikoko windowsx version says "The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich only spiritually, and he addeth no sorrow with it if He doth sovereignly chooses."
The Gnoni version says "The blessing of the LORD i dey looku looku, it maketh rich, and he addeth www.iamsofullofmyself.g no sorrow with it." Are these what they said or you're just trying to be deceitful? Can you copy and paste exactly where they said these? Hope this is not another one of your diversionary tactics? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 6:38am On Nov 11, 2014 |
Bidam: How? Care to explain why Isaiah 33:24 is not meant for the body of Christ? It refers to the people addressed in its context. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 6:36am On Nov 11, 2014 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:10pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
Bidam: Good now you are contributing instead of your logical fallacy. I agree with James 5:14 which is a question, but does it contradict Isaiah 33:24? No, because the two apply to 2 different scenarios. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:15pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
Bidam: It's best you save yourself from unbelief by taking what God says, don't bother about me. [size=18pt]I take the word of God as it is when He said no inhabitant shall say i am sick.[/size] It is not my prejudices, i am actually teaching you to read in context which is better. James 5: 14 - "Is anyone among you sick?Do you believe this scripture? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:28pm On Nov 10, 2014*. Modified: 9:05pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
Bidam: Let's start with healing which you and your cohorts propagate with relish that's it's wrong for God to heal someone today. Do you agree that satan is the originator of sin and sicknesses? Rephrase,mbaemeka never told you he does not believe in ressurection. Sometimes your reasoning leaves much to be desired. You made a sweeping statement that: "The extremes of poverty is what you and your cohorts are propagating which is unscriptural." in response to my post on OVEREMPHASIS on temporal blessings. It was to this your comment Shdemidemi made the remark; " Who have said a christian must be poor?". And vooks also responded with his post: " We are not advocating ascetism of Francis of Asisi. We are just saying that poverty,sickness and premature death among CHristians are not due to ignorance or lack of faith but facts of life to be expected as long as we are under the fallen creation and in mortal bodies."Ordinarily this should make their position which I agree with clear to you. But what do we find? You still want to come up with issues to fault others' position while you jump from one thing to the other ending up confusing yourself. To Shdemidemi's question above your response was: " Health is wealth, a sick christian is a poor christian" How does this relate to the question, particularly based on where the discussion is coming from? What do you even understand by that statement yourself? Then you come and talk about 'loads of scripture'. Do you know what 'loads' mean? And somebody who doesn't know better is claiming that " you couldn't have put it better!" You accuse others of shifting and twisting yet that is the very thing you're doing. Are you sure you really understand these issues? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 3:29pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
Bidam: The troll has risen with his usual prevarications again. A frivolous dishonest question to my question is NOT a response to start with. This is the fourth time you will accuse me of your illogic you call logic. This is what you friend said when he quoted a scripture ignorantly and out of context and i challenged him. And i challenged him by asking him to quote where WOF said even though there was no resurrection, instead of replying me as usual, he came up with a silly question and as typical of a troll that you are, you rose to his defense with a more sillier statement that i cannot quantify. Gombs above commented on the exchanges between Mbaemeka & vooks. That means he's reading but not directly involved in the discussions. I'm doing the same. When need be I'll give my comments. You have yourself taken my post and asked someone else to use it as a sound advise. This is an open forum. Any member is therefore at liberty to engage as he wishes. Your actions should be what should prove me right or wrong. But I'm sure you know the reality. The OVEREMPHASIS of temporal blessings over the need for the Christian to focus more on what he already has in Christ and what will make for greater eternal blessings is wrong. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:33am On Nov 10, 2014 |
Bidam: I actually do not have time for your frivolous question this morning if you cannot answer my question based on your erroneous statements. You were the first to ask a question. When you did it was not frivolous in your eyes. Then when a response came to your question it became frivolous and you suddenly don't have time for such. What do we make of that? You are the one actually detracting from the focus of the original issue. By moving away from whether the Christian's benefits are in the here and now to asking proof about those who teach whatever you're engaging in your usual roller coaster game. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 5:10pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
mbaemeka: ^^^^
For Hope to be termed as false, it means the information that was passed to give anyone that hope was false. I quoted scriptures, and I can quote a lot more. Are you saying the scriptures are false?
What benefits will anyone gain in this PRESENT LIFE from the Gospel? A quoted scripture may be misinterpreted and obviously subsequently misapplied. A misapplied scripture can give false hope. |