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I am convinced now that you do not want to be objective because I've on several occasions pointed out why voting or participating in national presidential elections won't bring about any positive change under the current circumstances (lack of patriotism and national unity). Let's assume election will make a difference, you will be delusional to think that Tinubu having consolidated power by virtue of his control of the NASS, INEC, judiciary and over 30 governors will allow a free and fair election next year..... I do hope you are sincere about not being a covert Tinubu supporter because if you are, then may be you will get a clearer picture of what I've been trying to tell you when you vote again and he is declared the winner.... For now, I will leave you to your fate. You are free to participate in Tinunu's game by voting in his carefully crafted election next year.... Once you go through another experience of a controversial loss to his party then we may continue the conversation...... that's if you're sincere about your political affiliation.....

budaatum:
If true, Tinubu is the president. The majority of voting Nigerians elected him there to go and do as he pleases within the Constitution.

If you don't like it, replace him with someone else by voting for someone else at the next election.

And please consider my Peter Obi please.

Hmmmm I will wait for seewahala to respond to your own allegations against him.... Don't want to be caught up in another cross fire here

I agree with your submission on opinions and points made by users....

RealityKings1:
It's actually irrelevant if person identifies as a male or female. What you need is their opinions or points. Approach both "f" monikers and "m" monikers the same way.

That aside, that man called seewhala is an old man with grandchildren going everywhere looking trouble

I had clarified in another thread that am not a female.... Hope it helps....

Opeyemiadejare:
are you male or female please 🥺🙏

Let me use this medium to correct certain notions you may have misconstrued during my innocuous interaction with SeeWahala regarding your sex.... When SeeWahala made the claim that you were a female masquerading as a male, I accepted because you did not refute or deny his claim throughout the thread and even laughed over it.... I am not sure why you decided to attack all my threads? just noticed that you blocked me as well.... Why go on a rampage when all you could've done was simply to clarify if you are a female or male.... It is indeed true that there are so many female users disguising as male on this platform, I hope you will forgive my initial comment if you find that offensive and address the allegation made by SeeWahala because it appears he knows you to have made that statement.... @nairalanda1 I come in peace.

Cost reflective tariffs on a poor traumatized populace when the government is neck deep into looting and systemic corruption right?

nairalanda1:
You know, I don't like this government either, so calling me government supporter is like calling Trump a black african man from Buea in cameroon.

Also, you guys don't read my posts. Nigeria is to be prosperous when we stop relying on oil, and start relying on industries that export, and a good taxation system, and a diversifed economy. That is HOW we become proseprous. Removing subsidy is just one of many steps we got to take.

Also finally, we have not had light for over 50 years. Either tinubu has been in power since 1978, or ......the cause is elsewhere.

And that leads us to cost reflective tarrifs.

Don't mind that commentator, cherrypicking blame to push a false narrative....

gidgiddy:
Same as no referendum made you a Nigerian

What brought you here miss nairalanda1.....? Note I am not a "She"....

nairalanda1:
Good comment, my dear Miss truthera

You are not under any obligation to keep an unworkable system. If you believe that you've no choice then there is no need having this conversation with you....

BATified2023:
don't forget the present is a Continuum of the past, your forefathers laid d foundation n we will follow it to the very end

Why not speak for yourself instead of your cheap attempt to arouse the tribal emotions of others by using the word "We", your skewed assumption in trying to force a tribal inclination of an igbo presidency as the underlying reason behind my opinion is wrong and false because at no point did I mention I wanted an igbo presidency or supported any candidate in the upcoming election..... Comments such as yours is a perfect example why Nigeria needs a national referendum..... Let's assume you are right that I want Biafra, why should wanting to exercise my right to self-determination be seen as a crime? Can you see the injustice of one Nigeria? Lack of tolerance and freedom to exercise consent over a forced union will never bring about peace or patriotism Nigeria needs to become a progressive nation. The sectionalism perpetrated by so many people like you will continue to reinforce the undeniable notion that there is no genuine unity among Nigerians, only suspicion and selfish tribal sentiments pervades Nigeria's national polity....

Goosethetruth:
We all know your antecedents. We can read between the lines. Your rebellious history preceeds you. We all know your advocacy is not for democracy but for anarchy. It is either your way or no way.
Despite your surreptitious attempts to mask it,we see through you. The agenda is either an Ibo man becomes president of Nigeria OR anarchy and rebellion to achieve Biafra. That is all what you have masquraded under this sesquipedalian write up. We know your antecedents.

Are you aware that all federal institutions at the national level including INEC and judiciary, relevant in your country's electoral process have been captured by Tinubu? How can you still be advocating for voting and election as a means to remove a federal government that is comprised of a seat tight selfish president and a national assemby that will never yield to a national referendum?

A revolution to remove a dictatorial rebellious corrupt government especially when all other democratic institutions to checkmate the government have been captured is not an anomaly because the constitution and all relevant statutory provisions derives it's power and legitimacy from the people..... When all democratic processes, democratic institutions including the government fails to uphold the will of the people for a national referendum over their country's unity, a revolutionary mass movement to dissolve such government becomes a last resort for the people...

budaatum:
This is not true. And I wonder where you get the idea from. Its definitely not from our Constitution nor is it in any other countries constitution as far as I know, unless by "thrown out" you mean impeached, for which a democratically elected majority is still required.

A government that does not "obey the will of the people" should be voted out by the people at the next election.

Yesterday is history, no one can go back in time to undo what has been done, you can only change today and tomorrow. Nigeria will continue to retrogress unless justice and the underlying undeniable truth over it's fragile unity is addressed.....

DomPerignon:
Which people?

Sore losers like you with your distant 3rd candidate wants to dictate to the rest of Nigerians?

Stop ranting online.

You can either run for office to replace those your bench warming legislators at the NASS or you take over where Lamidi Kanu left off.

Also, isn't it ironic that you guys are now demanding for referendum today when your grandfathers denied the minorities of the Eastern region their demands for one to leave your blighted Eastern region?

Everything you are crying for today, your grand parents did far worse on Nigerians.






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I expected that after Tinubu's second year in office, you would've buried your head in shame for supporting the removal of fuel subsidy. I am surprised that you are still unrepentantly doing the same nonsense you did before, in the midst of the economic turmoil as a direct consequence of it's removal.....

You were the same person back in 2022 and 2023 preaching consistently and condemnig anyone who spoke against fuel subsidy removal, you kept pushing government propaganda, the usual talking points that Nigeria will save money massively, that fuel importation will stop and excessive borrowing will stop as well. We are now in 2026, it been over 2 years since fuel subsidy was removed, no government official including you and Tinubu have been able to fully account for how billons of naira saved as result of fuel subsidy removal was spent. The excessive borrowing spree that you kept preaching back then will reduce has since doubled as Nigeria continues to import unrefined oil and petrol....

When we clashed back then, before fuel subsidy was removed, I told you then that Nigeria's economic challenges had nothing to do with fuel subsidy but the pervasive corruption within the NNPC and within the government...

I know that you will argue again with your usual rhetorics but the truth remains that since then till now the prosperity you preached and the savings you parroted has been proven overtime to be a mirage..... Nigeria's situation is far worse now than it was before fuel subsidy removal. I will once more reiterate that no energy subsidy removel or cost cutting policies will help Nigerians unless the greedy government purges itself of looting and corruption... Your continued demand for the government to remove other subsidies and for Nigerians to pay higher fees for energy under this circumstances is simply inhumane and callous....

I never said I wanted to overthrow your government.... You may read my last post again, I clearly said "if the government refuses to do the will of the people".... Any other narrative means you just want to twist my words....

A government that refuses to obey the will of the people is an undemocratic government that deserves to be dissolved....

budaatum:
List of protest below. Tell me how many produced a desired result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_in_Nigeria


So, you want to overthrow a democratic elected government that we protested for the right to vote to elect and that won the election we voted in and replace it with "a caretaker interim government"?

Sorry truthera, I cannot support your undemocracy!

Download and read The Democracy Playbook.

Here you are again, after all the noise you made here in support of fuel subsidy removal, you are back again defending more draconian policies of this government..... Where are the savings and prosperity you tirelessly preached about on this platform that Nigerians will enjoy when fuel subsidy is removed?

nairalanda1:
We have not had light long before tinubu came around. Power cuts have been a way of life for nigerians since 1978.

So, what does that mean.? It doesn't mean that tinubu is doing well, or that tinubu is fantastic.

It means that tinubu is starving the discos and gencos of funding by not letting them charge a cost reflective tarrif.

Experts have repeatedly said it, yet the agbado meister is ignoring them, because he wants to get elected.

Same mistake your past governments , millitary included, have made.

You cannot tell someone to sell something that costs N200 AND above to make, at N61 and below, and expect miracles. No way.

I had no idea the user was a "she".... I do think based on the way she pushes subsidy issue, she may be a major stakeholder in Nigeria's energy sector...

SeeWahala:
This woman no go rest with this subsidy brouhaha

She says subsidy is bad and has to go for Nigerians to witness prosperity . . . Okay we gree. Subsidy don go since 3 years now abi?

Oya, where is the economic prosperity we are supposed to be experiencing now? 🤷🏾‍♂️ Even if it's a 10% improvement in the quality of our lives just point out one achievement.

Ehn . . . Abeg make person help me ask her to point to one thing this yeye government has achieved for the common man with this their impromptu subsidy removal and watch her mouth quiver

Worse is she's a staunch supporter of APC but she's soo ashamed of identifying with them because she wants us to believe she has sense

Nigerians lack of unity required in national elections to produce good leaders is not the same when it comes to a national referendum on Nigeria's unity.... As I said in a previous post here, you can not expect patriotism or national unity when there is a large section of the country that do not feel or want to be part of the country, when there are indigenous people that want their right to self-determination to be honored and respected...

When I say revolution, what I mean is a massive protest involving a large number of Nigerians calling for a national conference to allow for a referendum on the country's unity.... The condition I believe will be that if the government of the day do not honor this request then it should be dissolved to allow for a caretaker interim government with the sole mandate of conducting this referendum which should take place within a year of it's existence....

budaatum:
Explain what you mean by revolution.

What is it that the masses will be doing so we can say the masses revolted?

How will "revolutionary movement pushed by the masses" be achieved by "Nigerians lack the unity required for national elections"?

You fail to understand Nigeria's root problem hence you keep pushing for elections as a silver bullet, a futile exercise that will only end up installing another stooge to continue the status quo.... Nigerians lack the unity required for national elections to bring about good governance..... Tinubu will never want to play by the book as long as 2027 election in which he will participate in is concerned..... I believe a revolutionary movement pushed by the masses will need to happen for a national referendum on Nigeria's unity to take place. Only when this is done can elections make a difference and true democracy thrive in Nigeria, that's if the majority agree not to disintegrate the country....

budaatum:
75% of registered voters in Nigeria going out to vote is a revolution!

And it is a referendum too, just not on what you'd rather it be about.

truthera, I am not a god believing person but I can tell you that all the gods around the world are working towards this revolution. The record turnout at the next USA president election will show the world the power of voting, and because we see it with our own eyes we too will learn that power and use it.

Unless we want to continue to suffer, of course.

El-Rufai is been detained and persecuted simply because he is part of the opposition.....

AMINDA:
Word salad borne out of fear of the man, Elrufai. The ICPC is now investigating a case of alleged wire tapping under Tinubu's government. What happened to the 420 billion naira allegation? When will Elrufai be arraigned in court? What is Tinubu afraid of?

You are right but sadly Nigeria is not a normal country..... You will get attacked for posting this by your fellow Nigerians who are being killed by terrorists especially those from south west region.... I've written about this severally, how can one claim that Nigeria is a democratic state if Nigerians can not protest for Tinubu's impeachment? If Nigeria was a sane country, Tinuhu should've been impeached and removed from office since last year, if not for the gross failure on security but for the tax law forgery scandal..... Until Nigerians see the need to fight for a national referendum to either decentralize or disintegrate the contraption, there is no hope of addressing these issues.... Under Tinubu, Nigeria is literally a lawless one-party state masquerading as a democracy ....

As it stands, only a revolution can bring about a national referendum as Nigeria's government has gone to the dogs....

budaatum:
This is actually worth staying for. I appreciate its lack of ad hominems.

Yes, I am familiar with "Indigenous land rights", it "affirms rights to self-determination, culture, identity, education, health, and land ownership", and I do not disagree.

As a Nigerian, I can determine myself, practise my own culture, identify myself by any name I want and go and learn if I want to. My health is according to my wallet, I confess, but I can buy land wherever I want. I can even use my better pass my neighbour to cool myself at night while my noise disturbs their sleep, so I must have my "indigenous land rights" and more in Nigeria as it is, but I will understand if you are telling me that you can not affirm your own rights to self-determination and practise your own culture and identity however you want and go to school for education and maintain your own health and buy land so you own it. Our situations may not be the same, and that I accept.

A confession. I have not known your tribe so far as I have not done the research, and up till now have worked on the basis that you could be Yoruba or Igbo or even from the North. Just thought to ensure you know. I will go to find out after posting this.

I am from the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun in Osun State in the Federal Republic of Nigeria, which is in West Africa in Africa, which is one of the continents on earth. I am from the Yoruba land where I feel I can say most have such rights, and yes, others should have those rights too, even people from other places must have those rights whereever they are and when they are amongst us, hence Hausas in the Orolu Kingdom since the late 1800s and lots of Igbos here too. We even given a whole village to Christains displaced from their own "Indigenous land rights" in the North of Nigeria. So, yes, "Indigenous land rights" for everyone who comes to our Orolu Kingdom, is literally our motto.

Voting, which I'm upgrading to democracy, and as a consequence of the Nigerian Constitution, which forgive me assuming you'd claim is imposed on you, or rather, us. You are campaigning for a national referendum, which you get by getting a majority in the House of Senate and a majority in the House of Representatives and perhaps a majority of Governors, all elected people we go out and democratically vote for at an election because they offer us a vote on a national referendum that we say we want, but you seriously think elections are pointless and a waste of time?

It's like you are asking me to support a national referendum but not vote for those who would give it to you.

That's ironic.

Anyway. And in case you don't know.

In international law, the right to self-determination for Indigenous peoples is almost universally interpreted as internal, meaning it occurs within the existing borders of a state.

A kangaroo investigation..... How can you call that an investigation when the prime suspect Nuhu Ribadu is still the NSA?

AMINDA:
Word salad borne out of fear of the man, Elrufai. The ICPC is now investigating a case of alleged wire tapping under Tinubu's government. What happened to the 420 billion naira allegation? When will Elrufai be arraigned in court? What is Tinubu afraid of?

Last month, when the news broke over El-Rufai's wiretapping scandal, I had made a post titled - "NSA Wiretapping: El Rufai Detained But Mass Illegal Surveillance Continues" in which I made the case for an independent investigation over what El-Rufai said regarding government officials and agencies abuse of Nigerians data privacy rights. It has been over a month now, no investigation has been done into these allegations, Ribadu and all other parties including telecom operators implicated in the scandal remain free while El-Rufai remains in detention.

If Nigeria's privacy and cybercrime laws can be violated by corrupt politicians and those that are meant to enforce such laws like the NSA, DSS, police and telecom operators without any consequences, how then is Nigeria not a criminal entity? Is it not appropriate to call Nigeria a lawless corrupt country.....? Why is Nuhu Ribadu still the NSA till now? Is he not supposed to step aside to allow for an independent investigation? Why should El Rufai be the only scapegoat? Except the presidency is also complicit over these illegal mass surveillance allegations, I see no reason why heads shouldn't roll over this....

As El-Rufai takes the fall, violation of Nigerians privacy rights continue unabated by government malicious actors, criminals, terrorists and rogue telecom services providers, complicating the fight against the country's security crisis because if this was not the case why the deafening silence? I am not surprised over the glaring injustice against El-Rufai on this issue but I think if Tinubu and his government still has any atom of shame or regard for the law, Nuhu Ribadu should be suspended, all security agencies, telecom operators will need to come clean on how they handle access to the private communications data of all Nigerians through a thorough independent forensic probe. All government officials, private third parties found to be engaging in such criminal data interceptions, hacking, illegal retrieval breaches should be prosecuted.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-PPpfuDCEc

For those who may be naive or ignorant, several security research reports including the video above show that Sim Card vulnerability attacks remains an ongoing security threat that occur at the telecom service operator level, a weak point in any mobile phone's security system allowing unauthorized access to user data. In a scenario were a telecom operator is compromised, malicious scripts can be injected through a phone user's sim card toolkit module to compromise a phone's security and privacy settings. When these attacks are executed at the telecom network level, the victim will most times receive strange anonymized sms text messages that include a payload of obfuscated malicious scripts as shown in the screenshot below.

In Nigeria, these network related criminal activities are happening, several users of some popular telecom networks share their experiences frequently on social media, complains of receiving strange malicious SMS messages, reports of unauthorized sim swap hacking, most of these attacks occur as a result of compromised criminal telecom operators and illegal mass surveillance carried out by government agencies without court order.

For Nigeria to be taken seriously as a law abiding country, a responsible government should be seen to uphold the nation's laws including it's privacy laws, anything less amounts to tyranny and abuse of public trust.... Arresting and detaining El-Rufai while leaving rogue government officials, telecom operators implicated over the scandal is nothing but double standards that only reinforces the notion that Tinunu and his government has no regard for the law or privacy rights of Nigerians....

Are you familiar with "Indigenous land rights".....?

The foundational documents for Indigenous land rights in international law include

The Indigenous and Tribal Peoples Convention, 1989 (ILO 169)

The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

The Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights

The American Convention on Human Rights, and the American Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP or DOTROIP) is a legally non-binding United Nations resolution passed by the General Assembly on September 13, 2007, that delineates and defines the individual and collective rights of Indigenous peoples, including their ownership rights to their land, cultural and ceremonial expression, identity, language, employment, health, education and other issues....

You can not claim that indigenous people have the right to choose if in doing so they are forced to relinquish their ancestral lands which is part of their indigenous heritage.... you are free to disconnect from the thread if that will make you happy.... Thanks

budaatum:
You have every right to choose whether you are Nigerian or not. Just leave the land known as Nigeria and burn your passport after you've left.

What you don't and never will have is the choice to reduce the land known as Nigeria and call it something else. And all your attempts to destroy Nigeria will most surely fail.

Now, know I am almost done with you, and will only resoond if you say something worthy if a response. You repeaing the same thing will be ignored.

You've spoken well, thanks for weighing in here

Reading your comment, I do think your opinion is not so different from mine, why do I say this?

You said and I quote below

givedemwotowoto:
Democracy is an agreement between the people on how they want to be government. When parties breach the agreement, it's still the participants who can push for reforms or fix the problem. Democracy doesn't execute itself.

The key word that binds, powers, oils and keeps the system running is "agreement".... The people must come together and agree without compulsion for democracy to exist.... It is same with nation building, the people must be allowed to exercise their consent to agree to create and build a nation.... A united nation must exist before true democracy can thrive, sadly, Nigeria's root problem is none existence of the former. When there is no unity among the people as result of a forced arrangement, what you get is an oppressed frustrated sectional deprived people, asking them to uphold national values, democratic norms, vote patriotically in such circumstances will be a futile exercise.

You said and I quote below.

givedemwotowoto:
On Referendum, your politicians (governors, senators, house of reps members) are the ones who will advocate for those for it to be taken seriously, so the sooner you troop out of your homes and elect people who will do that for you, the better.

One reason why I created this thread is to make the case for a people driven national referendum not a government backed referendum because the country's situation has gotten so bad that only the worse set of corrupt selfish Nigerians now occupy about 99% of all public offices both in the executive, legislative and judicial branches at the federal level.... nothing progressive like a referendum can be achieved through government under this circumstances.... I believe it will require a revolutionary mass movement of the people to get it done, this is why we are having this conversation..... hopefully, Nigerians will see the need to push for their freedom instead of participating in a rigged cosmetic system that only reinforces retrogression......

givedemwotowoto:
I will respond to some of the issues you raised.

Your fears are very valid, but your conclusions are extremely faulty. In almost every facet of life, your test your theories to confirm them. In business, if you assume that selling oranges in the market will be a great way to make enough money, you put it to test by plucking or buying a few oranges, then taking them to market. In science, if you cure a disease out of water and sand, you develop it and test it on close relatives to man etc. In tech, if you believe you can build the best software that everyone wants to use, you go ahead and build a prototype and test it out with the public.

Your conclusion is extremely faulty because you haven't tested it out. This is where I need you to show me cases of elections in the world where the President was overwhelmingly outnumbered heavily with turnout, but successfully manipulated the election. I already showed you a case of voters fighting back in the U.S. with the 2020 election, but it didn't stop there. Despite not believing in the credibility of the election, Republicans recorded one of the highest turnouts in history in the 2024 Presidential election. Even Elon Musk started giving people incentives to come out and vote, because they knew that turnout was the problem

This is where I think Education on Democracy is very very important. The biggest problem I think that exists in Nigeria today is that people don't fully understand democracy. They don't understand their role in democracy.

Democracy is an agreement between the people on how they want to be government. When parties breach the agreement, it's still the participants who can push for reforms or fix the problem. Democracy doesn't execute itself.

Democracy has different branches: Executive, Judicial, Legislative and so on. These branches are meant to counterbalance one another, but they can also connive with one another and work against the people. This is where many people get confused.

The people are the ones meant to protect democracy. Once the branches of government fail, the people are the last resort before the system collapses. In democracy, people are supposed to be watchful of everything the government does. You don't just pay taxes and go home to sleep, hoping that the government is doing their job. You stay vigilant on every action the government takes. It's your responsibility to ensure the 3 branches don't collude against you. It's your tax money that funds them.

Once these branches connive to become more powerful than your collective voices, you become powerless.

What am I saying? Those things you're asking for will never happen, if you're waiting for them to happen before you do your job. Nobody will give you power on a platter, the power is yours only if you can recognize and take it.

It will get worse, if you don't fight back. What you're seeing now is only the beginning.

If you truly understand democracy, I will encourage you to take a microphone and start preaching it to others around you waiting for things to change before they participate, or waiting for someone else to do it for them.

For now, what you're doing is helping the government, and I hope that's not your mission.

On Referendum, your politicians (governors, senators, house of reps members) are the ones who will advocate for those for it to be taken seriously, so the sooner you troop out of your homes and elect people who will do that for you, the better.

If the system is so corrupt that nobody can be elected, how did Alex Otti become governor? The turnout for the governorship election in Abia in 2023 was only 11% and that's why they almost succeeded in rigging him out because of the small margin of victory. Imagine if the turnout was 75% against them.

Being in your mother's womb or depending on your parents while growing up doesn't mean you've no freedom, it is only a temporary stage you must pass through before you can stand on your own.... I do not agree with your submission because slavery simply means dehumanization, I am certan you won't want to live as a slave, knowing you've no freedom.....

budaatum:
Freedom is not the source of any life whatsoever! You are not free in the 9 months you are incubating in your mother's belly, and you definitely are not free in your first few years when you depend on mum's tlts or father's money.

You can even be a slave in chains and give meaning to your life, so this your rational fails at its start, and discredits whatever followed. Sorry.

If you truly love the other tribes, you will support their right to choose..... You will support national referendum because you will want the best for the other tribes.... What I see from your utterances so far is fear of the unknown and obsession not love.....

budaatum:
Well, I guess wanting to coexist with other tribes can be deemed as tribal. I love my other tribe neighbours so much that I don't want you to go.

Can Nlfpmod give this thread a boost by featuring it on the home page.... It will help if more divergent views are made on this thread.....

Yes she spoke well and was spot on..... Don't mind the misleading comments above by Tinubu's agbado sycophants....

zeuss:
SHE MADE SENSE