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whirlwind7:Islam has two faces: violence and peace. When Muhammad needed the cooperation and support of the people to establish his islam, he claimed allahh revealed the peaceful verses but as soon as he gained enough soldiers, all the peaceful verses were abrogated. That is the reason allahh was changing his quranic revelations as often as he did, claiming he was revealing better ones (Quran 2:106). Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say:'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally. "Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". [i]That is quranic verse of terrorism[/i] Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." [i]Allah promised those who fight for him vast reward.[/i] With all these from quran and hadith, how can any reasonable person believes islam is peaceful? The islamic terrorists hold on to those statements to kill shouting "allahu akbr". For your information, Exodus 22:20 you pasted is not talking of killing unbelievers but the Israelites who violated the law of God by taking to paganism. Nowhere did God command the Israelites to go killing unbelievers outside the community of Israel. |
MaziOmenukoGod commanded the Israelites to wage war against those mentioned nations because of their wickedness: Deuteronomy 9:5 “It is anot for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm bthe 1oath which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. |
MaziOmenuko:Lol !!! I slept deep last night after my last post on this thread and never bothered to check it until this morning and I opened my Bible and replied you immediately. Did you check the Bible references I gave? That is just the truth because it wasn't written for your or mine arguments. What happened in Deut. chapter 7? Bring out your accusations so that I can know how to answer you. |
plappville:France is now reaping its faith in islam. There are countries who do not give muslims such a chance as France did. Japan for example. Even in Australia, the President's speech I read showed that they are not in good term with islam. Wherever muslims are many allahh will have influence and the next thing is unprovoked killings. allahh likes wasting human blood. I can't see France coming out of islamic problems in a short term, because many muslims are already citizens of the country and anytime allahh needs blood, the muslims are his instruments. |
MaziOmenuko:Elijah slaughtered the prophets of Baal because they were eating at Jezebel's table (1 Kings 18:19) and Jezebel decided to constitute herself as the enemy of God's prophets for no justifiable reason. She cut off prophets of God (1King 18:4) as a result of which Obadiah had to hide one hundred prophets of God in two caves. Prophets of Baal deserved to be killed as accomplices of Jezebel, king Ahab's wife who was looking for the lives of God's prophets for no just cause. That was not a religious war as Jezebel was a king's wife and she was just being wicked and was killing God's people for nothing. Nobody was into war with her on religious ground. |
Muslims and atheists !!! ![]() |
I wonder why muslims are mute now and later they will say there are also religious war in the Bible. Smh!!! |
MaziOmenuko:Religious war in terms of killing people because they don't believe in Yahweh. |
OtemWonyahweh:If anyone killed people, he doesn't have that instruction from Jesus. They are on their own. Nowhere did Jehovah lead war against those who didn't serve him. Prove. |
MaziOmenuko:Exodus 17:8-9 8 Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim. 9 And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: to morrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in mine hand. The Amalekites first attacked them and wanted to prevent them from going forward to the promised land. Was God guilty for getting angry with them? |
DeSepiero:Why ? |
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annunaki2:Thanks bro. No wonder none could come up to argue. |
When we talk about muslims killing innocent people as in the days of Muhammad till now, they jump out and say so it happened in the Bible. The most annoying thing is that of the atheists who also justify islamic killings saying the Bible contains violent verses too. I wonder the relationship between atheists and muslims after saying there is no God, no spirits. I make bold to tell all of you that there are no religious wars in the Bible, bring the verses and I will debunk them to permanently shut you up. Nowhere did God of the Bible command anyone to force people to Him. |
muhamadnur:Because many Christians cannot meet with the holy standard of Yahweh so they turn atheists But to serve allah does not require holiness, just keep marrying as many women as you can, have sex with your neighbours baby girl, going about sleeping with temporary wives etc, you can fight and kill and yet you remain a faithful muslims and end up in hellfire |
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tartar9:You want to lie it is not true? Say yes and I will bring out the authentic hadith that confirms it. |
tartar9:You have always bowed to superior argument. You had better run !!! |
annunaki2:You see nau. If Kaaba was where Abraham and Ishmael were facing, why did Muhammad decide to face Jerusalem? Muslims brains have been blocked. |
tartar9:You are an ignorant or hypocritical muslim. Which Scripture was the allahh referring Muhammad to here: Allah told Muhammad to consult the Jews and the Christians if he was in doubt of the revelations he was receiving: (And if thou art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers (Quran 10:94). If it wasn't the original, why did he refer Muhammad to it? |
This is getting too much. Let Buhari call his terrorists to order. It has gotten to a point where Christians should be going to Church with guns for self-defense. |
annunaki2:True. Another reason is that Jews and Christians didn't believe in islamic rituals idol worshipers were doing, which Muhammad incorporated into his islam. They never heard of Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Jesus etc talk about it or face Kaaba the house of pagan idols. Or they remembered Ezekiel 8:15 that says those who face the East (Kabaa) turn their back to God's holy Temple. |
annunaki2:True. Another reason is that Jews and Christians didn't believe in islamic rituals idol worshipers were doing, which Muhammad incorporated into his islam. They never heard of Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Jesus etc talk about it or or face Kaaba the house of pagan idols. |
tartar9:And so? If it was allah who sent the earlier scripture, which the Jews and Christians believe, why did they become his enemies? |
tartar9:Which day muslims mosques don't disturb 5 times a day? |
Emyogalanya:This nairaland has turned itself into anti-Christian site. They transfer angrily most thread to muslims section where they know you will not have access to it again. Only anti-Christian threads make their front page. |
Luckylife:You are very correct. Where I'm actually going is that allah only looked for flimsy excuse to waste human lives and also send muslims to Hellfires. Were allah the sender of the earlier scripture, why would he declare war against those who believed in it? |
Allah in that 9:29 said the people who had earlier received the Scripture didn't believe in him, this shows it wasn't allah who gave them the scripture, hence they didn't believe in him. But they believed in the giver of their scripture, Yahweh. Isn't it ? |
Flexherbal:Who is fighting who? |
What did the Jews do wrong? [Quran 9:29 Pickthal] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. Who gave them the Scripture? What is wrong with the Scripture that was given them as they too believe in one God? Following the above quranic verse Muhammad killed about 600 of them in just one day, why? The Jews also believe in one-God. What is the difference between their one-God,Yahweh and muslims' one-God, Allah that resulted in conflicts? |
annunaki2:Muslims are animals when it comes to religious thinking. They can't tolerate 1% of what Christians tolerate for them. Just this morning in my area too, they were holding their service near Churches and tuned their loudspeaker louder than that of the Church near them on Sunday morning. Honestly, I hate islam because it is barbaric. |
k911m6104e2Christians do not live by physical laws as written on paper as in the OT, it didn't work, hence the need for the laws of Grace, wherein the laws are written on the heart of believers, making it practicable. I would also enjoin you to read Numbers 31 too.Not personal but national vendetta. They had to respond before they were wiped out. They were wars between a nation and another nation or a kingdom against another kingdom. They weren't fighting to convert people by force like Muhammad and his jihadists. The forceful conversion of pagans and Muslims alike were carried out to gain souls for who, if not Jehovah? The Christian kings that orchestrated these acts were israelites too? Were they reading another type of Bible with inspiration drawn from opium and not the Holy Spirit?God never forcefully converted anybody to serve him, except for Israelites with whom he had covenant. Covenant is a stronger agreement that must be complied with. Jehovah is not allahh. Jehovah is a name and allahh is also a name. If am John you can't call me James because we are both men or we are both human beings. There were many names by which God described himself in the Bible, allahh was not one of them. Except if you would disregard the old testament and say it was directed towards the Israelites, the Bible still remains one of the greatest book of violence in the history of Mankind!You lied. If God taught violence in the Bible, you would see Christians today fighting like the muslims. Where did you read God ordained fighting for Christians like allahh ordained it for the muslims? Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Fighting is a virtue in islam. |
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