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experimentist:
spread mat. To learn more. I read the article bro, I'm learning.

Thanks bro., be blessed.

experimentist:
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Meaning?

annunaki2:
If refusing to accept a criminal who was also a paedophile, rapist, armed robber, murderer and psycopath as a prophet means I am a kafir, then I proudly remain one.

Succinct !!!

Riwon

Allah owns everyone, but then he doesn't necessitate every to believe so as Yahweh did.

Allah is an Arabian idol, he doesn't own everyone.

Why are you lying?

Quran (8:38-39) - “Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven... And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”

You are only trying to attack a straw man here.. I asked this question first. Muhammad didn't force anyone to accept islam as Yahweh did. And if actually he did, what is the difference between this action and what yahweh ordered Moses and co to do in the Bible? If you can't condemn moses anr his jihadist why are you condemning Muslim fanatics?

Another lie. This show Muhammad was a muslim fanatic:

Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Why do you then condemn those who practice sharia if actually you believe they are doing the right thing?

I can't approve of sharia, it is satanic.

My point is: if people own themselves as you wrongly asserted, why do you set laws for them?

show exclusively where and how those nations i listed were taking human lives? Aren't Israeli jiahdist guilty of this as well?

This shows you didn't read my post, you are only thinking of what to say.

You mean Egyptian serve yahweh at that time? If yes, show us where they did. If NO, it is in the Egyptian records that they also take human lives, why didn't Yahweh order their extermination since that is your reason for why yahweh was ordering other nations massacre.

I mean "didn't" not "did". If you read the post well you will discover that what I meant was that there were other nations at that time who didn't serve God and were not exterminated. I wouldn't say they were not "exterminated" if they were serving God.

aminusanti:
Invite more of those KAFIRS, funny clowns

Kafirs are far better than muslims, wicked beings.

It is only Satan adherents that can be as callous as muslims. Allah is Satan.

Rilwon

You are not being truthful to yourself. If all the above are what you called their wickedness, then i will have to shake my head for you.

Keep shaking your head and make sure it drops off.

First of all, these people own themselves. They own their lives andnthey are obliged to do whatever they want with it. I see no reason why Yahweh should order their extermination for these alleged wickedness that has nothing to do with him or tye Israeli. Yahweh ordered their extermination simply because he thinks he is their god, ane that they all have the right to worship and follow his orders.. This you cannot deny.

You are not making islamic sense here. Do you own yourself or your allahh owns you?

If people own themselves, why was Muhammad forcing them to accept islam?

If people own themselves, why do you have sharia punishing offenders? Why not allow them to do whatever they like, if they own themselves?

In as much as this war was waged on the basis of you not worshipping my God and not following his orders, the we can safely assume that its a RELIGIOUS WAR.

No, you are wrong. If they didn't worship God should they be taking human lives? There were other nations at that time which didn't serve God and they were not exterminated, Egypt for example.

Ezekiel 8:15-17
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

That Bible passage debunks the claim by muslims that Abraham built Kaaba, facing it (East) to pray. Abraham would not commit what God called abomination. Please note that the passage was not written in contention with Muhammad's islam as it had not come at that time. It was what the pre-islam pagans were doing, which is what muslims are doing today. No sane person would argue that it is the same God who called it abomination would still approve it in islam.

The muslims claim the pre-islamic pagans worshiped God but only associated partners with him and so, when Muhammad came, he removed the partners and established the worship of only one God but continued worshiping the one God the same way pagans were doing it. The truth is: God cannot be worshipped as idolaters do neither can idols be worshipped as God's people do. They are not compatible.

Deuteronomy 12:2-4
2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:

3 And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.

When Muhammad came, he removed other idols (possibly those belonging to other tribes) but left the Black Stone, the altars and their pillars, which had been defied by idol worship and he continued making use of them.

Deuteronomy 12:30
And after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, "How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same."
God warned the Israelites not to worship Him the same way pagans worship their gods. But today, muslims worship Allah the same way pagans worship their gods.

Deuteonomy 12:31 (NIV)
You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.
That was a strict warning to God's people, not to worship God the way pagans do.

Now, let us see how muslims compromised worshiping allah the same ways pagans in the pre-islamic period did:

Quran 2:158 Pickthal] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is).And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware.


Veneration of the Black-stone

The pagan gods of pre-Islamic Arabia were worshiped in the form of rectangular stones or rocks. For example, the pagan deity 'Al-Lat', mentioned in Qur'an 53:19, and believed by pre-Islamic pagans to be one of the daughters of Allah, was once venerated as a cubic rock at Ta'if in Saudi Arabia. An edifice was built over the rock to mark it apart as a house of worship.
Al-lat stood in al-Ta'if, and was more recent than Manah. She was a cubic rock beside which a certain Jew used to prepare his barley porridge (sawiq). Her custody was in the hands of the banu-'Attab ibn-Malik of the Thayif, who had built an edifice over her. [...]She is the idol which God mentioned when He said, "Have you seen Al-lat and al-'Uzza (Surah 53:19)?
Kitab Al-Asnam (The Book of Idols), p 14


Praying 5 Times Towards Mecca

Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca.[4] Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al-Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day.

Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their (kusti) prayers at least five times a day having first cleansed themselves by washing (ablution). So even today, this is not a practice unique to Islam. But, contrary to the Muslims, they pray in the direction of the Sun (at each time of the day) and/or of the Holy Fire (if they are in a Fire Temple).


Fasting on the 10th of Muharram

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the Quraish, fasted on the 10th of Muharram. Though optional, Muhammad retained this pagan practice too.
Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the tenth of Muharram) was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172


Tawaf between Safa and Marwa

Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelation.[7]
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158)
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710

Requirement of Ihram

Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah.
Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706


Circumambulation 7 Times

In the Islamic ritual of Tawaf, Muslims go around the Kaaba 7 times. In the Hindu marriage rite of Satphere, the married couple goes around a fire also 7 times. In both of these rituals, religious phrases are repeated during the circumambulation.

Circumambulation is to go in circles around a particular object. In Islam, worshippers and pilgrims do this around the Ka'aba at Mecca. Pre-Islamic pagans used do it to please the moon god Hubal, the 360 deities and Allah (who was merely one among the many deities worshipped there). Muhammad himself used to do it, even before the 360 idols inside the Ka'aba were removed.

Judaism and Christianity (the religions of those who are considered People of the Book) do not practice ritual circumambulation to please God. Two other faiths which do are Hinduism and Buddhism, religions older than Islam and accused by Islam of “paganism” and practicing idolatry.

aminusanti:
See the way the people r providing u with undeniable fact yet u are still appyling ur stupidity. u deserve more than that insult i swear, u are nothing but time waster, straight forward question were asked but u are busy beating around the bush

Terrorist !!!

Point out the undeniable fact you discovered.

ifenes:
Insult? That isn't an insult. Your topic is an insult to those killed for not being Christians.

Where did you find Christians in those days?

Rilwon:
What and what wickedness did they commit to warrant their extermination?

The Reason

First it must be understood that the extermination of the Canaanites had nothing to do with race, religion, or land. It had everything to do with the judgment of a people for their sins. Yahweh did not command Israel to exterminate the Canaanites because they were a different race. In fact, the Canaanite people were Semitic just like the Israelites. Nor did Yahweh command Israel to exterminate everyone who did not convert to Judaism. There were only ten nations specifically marked for destruction (Deut. 7:1). Three of the ten were dealt with before Israel entered the land of Canaan, leaving seven after they entered the land. The Canaanites were a specific group of people, but their name was also used in a general way to refer to these ten nations. (Sometimes the Amorites were named in the same way.) Yahweh made it clear that Israel was not allowed to attack any of the other nations unless the other nation attacked first (Deut. 20). Israel was never commanded in the Bible to merely kill the Canaanites just to take control of the land itself. Rather Yahweh made it clear that the Canaanite people were being destroyed for their sin and only their sin (Gen. 18:20-21; 15:16; Deut. 7:3-4). The land that was then vacant after the conquest was to be given to Israel as a blessing for their obedience but if they sinned as Canaan had then they too would lose the land.
For whatever reason, Yahweh chose to use Israel as His tool of judgment in the same way that He had used the flood (Gen. 6), plagues (Ex. 7-14), and other empires (2 Kgs. 17:7-23; 24:20-25:30). Yahweh gave Israel the land of Canaan as a reward for their obedience to Him but not because He was playing favorites. In fact, he made it clear that Israel, too, would be judged and lose the land if they committed the same sins (Deut. 7:4, 7-11; 9:4-6; 29:16-29). Later Israel did commit the same sins, and Yahweh took them into exile as judgment as He said He would. He used another nation to do it just as He had used Israel to judge the Canaanites (2 Kgs. 17:7-23; 24:20-25:30). It is this fact that makes it very clear that the extermination of the Canaanites had everything to do with the righteous justice of Yahweh and nothing else. So what were the Canaanites doing that was so sinful that it warranted their destruction?


The Nature of the Canaanites’ Sin

One must understand when we talk about the sin and practices of the Canaanites that we are not talking about a small group of people in these nations; we are talking about everyone. Everyone, including women and, in some cases, children, were involved in the following practices. The Canaanite people were an extremely violent people involved in and promoting idolatry, gang rape, bestiality, child sacrifice, and many other evil and grotesque practices.

1. Idolatry

The idolatry and the worship of pagan gods would not seem like a sin to most people other than Jews and Christians. But in order to understand why they lived the way they did, one must understand the gods that the people of the ancient Near East worshiped. Anyone who has ever studied the mythology or religions of ancient people knows that their gods were not moral beings, according to anyone’s standard in the western world. The gods were always betraying and fighting against each other. Ba’al, the Canaanite storm god, became the high god by defeating Yamm, the sea god. Later, Mot, the god of the grave, attacked Ba’al in order to gain power. Anat, Ba’al’s wife and goddess of war and love, fought her way into the grave to rescue her husband. Ugaritic Ba’al myth describes Anat as taking joy in slaughtering her enemies, cutting off their heads and hands and wearing them as a necklace and belt. She is described as killing so many that she was wading through their blood. The death of Yamm and Mot involved cutting them in half, grinding them up, and sifting them in the wind.
Incest and adultery were also part of the gods’ lives. El, the father of the gods, was married to Asherah, by whom he had seventy children. Ba’al, one of his sons, was married to his sister Anat. One day Ba’al reported to his father that his mother had tried to seduce him. El told him to go ahead and have sex with her in order to humiliate her, which Ba’al did.2 One of Ba’al’s wives was his daughter Pidray.3 These are just a few examples, none of which are portrayed with contempt. If these are the beings that you worship, then you will not be any different or better.

2. Incest and Adultery

The earliest Canaanite laws did prescribe the death penalty for those caught in incest or adultery, but by the fourteenth century BC the penalty had been reduced to a financial fine. However, incestuous fantasies were looked upon with favor and seen as a good omen. The Egyptian Dream book has a section for men that begins with:
“If a man sees himself in a dream…
… having intercourse with his mother: Good. His companions will stick to him.
… having intercourse with his sister: Good. It means that he will inherit something.
… having intercourse with a woman: Bad. It means mourning.”4
Remember, the gods themselves were involved in incestuous relationships. This was so prevalent in the Canaanite culture that Lot’s daughters, after growing up in and being influenced by Sodom, both slept with their father and thought nothing of it (Gen. 19:30–.
Adultery was forbidden by law but only for a married woman. There were no restrictions on the man.5 In fact, temple prostitution was a large part of worship in the Canaanite culture. Asherah or Ishtar, also known as the Queen of Heaven, was a female fertility goddess who was worshiped through sexual acts, including orgies. Temple prostitutes were male and female priests who had dedicated their bodies to the gods and were considered holy priests. People would go to the temples and have sex with these prostitutes as an act of worship. The people of the ancient Near East viewed a sexual act with these priests as sexual union with the goddess herself.6

3. Homosexuality

Just as fantasies of incest were seen as good omens, so was homosexuality. Some statements in the Babylonian magical text (pre-seventh-century B.C.) say:
“If a man has intercourse with the hindquarters of his equal [male], that man will be foremost among his brothers and colleagues.If a man yearns to express his manhood while in prison and thus, like a male cult-prostitute, mating with men becomes his desire, he will experience evil.If a man has intercourse with a cult prostitute, care [troubles] will leave him.”7
There was also a form of homosexuality that was far more violent and subjugating than what we know today. It was not uncommon for a man who wanted to demonstrate his authority and power to rape another man. This act of dominance was seen as a sign of power, and other men looked at this with high regard. The way that one proved his worth to lead others in politics or in the military was through dominating rape. To be the rape victim was so humiliating that no one would ever show respect to that person. The closest thing to this that exists today is when a group of prisoners corner a newcomer in the showers and the alpha male rapes him in order to put him in his place (Gen. 19:4-9; Judg. 19:22).

4. Bestiality

Not only was bestiality practiced and dreams about it seen as good omens, but it was also practiced as a form of worship. Remember, if the gods did it, then certainly the people who worship them would do it.
“Mightiest Baal hears;
 He makes love with a heifer in the outback, A cow in the field of Death’s Realm.
 He lies with her seventy times seven, Mounts eighty times eight;
 [She conceiv]es and bears a boy.”8
There were laws against bestiality but only for certain animals. The Hittite law states:
“If anyone has intercourse with a pig or a dog, he shall die. If a man has intercourse with a horse or a mule, there is no punishment.”9
There were even ritualistic practices involving animals tied to the bed of a woman in order to bring some kind of blessing. The ritual describes the woman not only doing grotesque things with the animal but enjoying it.10
The Egyptian dream book also describes which animals bring good omens when you have a dream about having sex with them. What is most interesting is that it goes on and states that if a woman has a dream where she embraces her own husband, she is doomed.11

5. Child Sacrifice

Molech was a Canaanite underworld deity12 that required child sacrifice in order to prove devotion to him (Lev. 18:21; 20:5; 2 Kgs. 16:3; 21:6; 23:10; 2 Chr. 33:6; Ezk. 16:21; 20:31; 23:37; Jer. 7:31; 19:5; 32:35; Isa. 30:33; 57:9). Molech was portrayed as a man with the head of a bull standing upright with his arms outstretched. Inside his stomach was a fire, and children would be placed in his arms for burning. Molech required that you sacrifice your firstborn son to him in order to ensure the blessings of the gods. Infants and children as old as four were offered up to him. If you built a house, you were to lay one of your sacrificed children as the cornerstone to the building to ensure that the gods blessed the house and family all of its days. If someone wanted to guarantee a victory in battle, they could sacrifice one of their children to ensure the gods fought on their behalf (Judg. 11:30-40; 2 Kgs. 3: 26-27).
“In fact, we have independent evidence that child sacrifice was practiced in the Canaanite (Carthaginian and Phoenician) world from many classical sources, Punic inscriptions and archaeological evidence, as well as Egyptian depictions of the ritual occurring in Syria- Palestine, and from a recently discovered Phoenician inscription in Turkey. There is therefore no reason to doubt the biblical testimony to Canaanite child sacrifice.”13
“No other ancient people, however, regularly chose their own children as sacrificial victims, or equated them with animals which could sometimes be substituted for them. The Phoenician practice indicates a definition of the ‘family’ and the boundaries belonging to it and alienation from it that was incomprehensible to others in the ancient Mediterranean.”14

Is Yahweh’s Judgment Just?

It is obvious that no one today would want to live in a culture where everyone was doing this and more, let alone raise their children in this culture. But the question is were they bad enough that it warranted their total destruction? Was Yahweh just in having them all killed? First, one must understand that there were no police force or prisons in the ancient Near East. Even in our culture we would imprison these people for their crimes. But where do you put them if there are not enough prisons to hold these hundreds of thousands of people and no police to keep the order if they live among you? There is a point at which humans can become so wicked that they will never change.

Animals, Women, and Children

Most people can understand the men being killed, but for Yahweh to command the death of the animals, women, and children is much harder to understand.
In the wild, most animals fear humans and stay away. However, if an entire culture has practiced bestiality and has trained its animals to have sex with humans, then the animals would have not only lost their fear of humans but would expect to have sex with them. Now imagine that animal in the backyard with your children while it is in heat.
The women were killed because they participated in the violence, child sacrifices, bestiality, and sexual immorality just as much as the men did. The women would often fight in battles and participate in the cutting off of the heads and hands along with the men. They would often seduce men from other villages so that their men could kill them (Judg. 16:4-22). They also willingly offered their own child as a burnt sacrifice.
The destruction of the children is much harder to understand. There is a concept known as generational sin, wherein not only will a child become like his parents because he was raised under their instruction and example but also because he came genetically from those parents. There are certainly exceptions, but they are the exceptions. We already know that people are more genetically disposed to alcoholism and other tendencies; scientists are even trying to find the gay gene. Ultimately, this question can only be answered when one comes to understand that Yahweh is good and that a God who is willing to die for us—even for the Canaanites—is a God who can be trusted with where babies go when they die.

Yahweh’s Patience and Desire for Repentance

Yahweh did not just fly off the handle and punish people when they first did something wicked. Yahweh was extremely patient, waiting for hundreds of years for them to reach a certain point of immorality before He judged them. Yahweh is “slow to anger” (Ex. 34:6,7; Ps. 103:. At the time of the flood, Yahweh told the world that they would be judged, and Noah preached to them for 120 years to bring them to repentance before God judged them (Gen. 6:3, 5-8; 1 Pet. 3:19-20). In Gen. 15:16 Yahweh stated that Abraham’s descendants could not take the land of Canaan because the people there were not bad enough to be destroyed yet. This implies that Yahweh waits until nations or people have become wicked enough before He judges them. Yahweh only destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they had become bad enough for His judgment.
Yet that destruction served as a warning to the rest of the Canaanites that if they did not change, they would be judged as well. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (2000 B.C.) came 600 years before Israel destroyed the Canaanite nation. We also know that Yahweh placed Abraham and his family in the land in order to witness to the Canaanites, as Noah had previously. From historical records, pre-Abraham, we know that the Canaanites were decent people who became worse and worse and that by the time Israel entered the land everyone was doing the things described above. The Canaanites did not heed the warnings and change.
Yahweh showed this same patience with Israel when He warned them in 1406 B.C. that if they lived like the Canaanites, He would, through another nation, send them into exile (Deut. 7:4, 7-11; 9:4-6; 29:16-29). Yahweh did not punish Israel (the northern kingdom) until 722 B.C. with the Assyrians (2 Kgs. 17:7-23) and Judah (the southern kingdom) in 586 B.C. with the Babylonians (2 Kgs. 24:20-25:30).
When Israel first entered the land, Yahweh did not send warriors to kill people; rather he sent two witnesses to give the people in Jericho a chance to repent and escape the judgment (Josh. 2; Jam. 2:25). Rahab and her family repented, and they not only escaped the judgment but also became a part of Israel. Jericho should have served as an example to the rest of the cities, but, unfortunately, it did not. The Canaanites’ unwillingness to repent and change even to escape judgment shows how bad they really were.
Yahweh has made it clear that He is willing to relent in His judgment if a nation repents of its sins and changes its ways (Jer. 18:7-. He demonstrated this willingness in his dealings with Nineveh (Jonah 3:4-10).
The biggest reason the extermination of the Canaanites bothers us so much is that we do not really appreciate how horrible sin is, nor do we hate it enough. We—being sinners and having sin as an everyday part of our lives, woven into the fabric of our beings—will never be able to understand how a holy and righteous God can be so offended by and justified in His punishment of sin. If we truly understood this, then not only would we understand the extermination of the Canaanites, we would truly be blown away and appreciate the death of Jesus Christ on our behalf. The minute we sinned we forfeited the right to judge a righteous and perfect God.

ifenes:
It's funny the OP is calling out possible religious war. However it was all tribal way. Kill those who are not Jews, similar to what Hitler did, kill those without blonde hair and blue eyes. This later became a religious way,whereby those not affiliated to Jesualem were either burnt at the stake or forcefully converted to Christianity.

Just another empty thread from a typical empty headed Christian.

How does the OP resemble calling out for religious war? It is you that is actually empty headed for failing to understand simple statements.

Something common to all atheists is that they are in descent people. I don't blame you because you have nothing restraining you from being bad. Why must you always insult and abuse. No wonder the Bible calls atheists fools.

ifenes:
It's funny the OP is calling out possible religious war. However it was all tribal way. Kill those who are not Jews, similar to what Hitler did, kill those without blonde hair and blue eyes. This later became a religious way,whereby those not affiliated to Jesualem were either burnt at the stake or forcefully converted to Christianity.

Just another empty thread from a typical empty headed Christian.

Something common to all atheists is that they are in descent people. I don't blame you because you have nothing restraining you from being bad. Why must you insult and abuse all the time.

Elohim1:
What Was The Particular sin that they committed?? stop telling me God Say God Say

I gave you a link but you didn't visit it, did you? If you did, your question is more than answered.

Rilwon:
The only question you answered on the first page was about the amalekites, and i didn't ask you about them did i?

I asked about the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Revisited,. Now show us where you answered that.

Didn't you see this?

God commanded the Israelites to wage war against those mentioned nations because of their wickedness:

Deuteronomy 9:5
“It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm bthe 1oath which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The reason God commanded the Israelites to wage war against Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites was because of their wickedness. Their extermination was a capital punishment for their sins.

Rilwon:
You can simply answer my question instead of this, afterall you opened this thread for answering sake.



I'm using airtel freebasic and it only works for nairaland and other popular Nigerian forum.

I cannot keep repeating myself on the same questions, it is up to you to read through if you want to know the truth.

Don't you know people give links on nairaland before you subscribed to the one you cannot go to links? On countless occasions on this forum you have given several links, I wonder why your excuse. I doubt your sincerity. Anyway, that is not my problem, your choice puts you at a disadvantage, which I cannot pay for.

Rilwon:
Whyvare you lying? Where did you reply to question similar to mine?



Don't refer me to any site, i don't have mb.

Lying? It shows you didn't read the thread from the start, you only want to argue for argument sake.

You don't have MB, but you have it to post all your trash. Why did you start what you can't finish?

Rilwon:
Whyvare you lying? Where did you reply to question similar to mine?



Don't refer me to any site, i don't have mb.

Lying? It shows you didn't read the thread from the start, you only want to argue for argument sake.

You don't have MB, why do start what you can't finish?

Rilwon:
Here we go then:

Why did Yahweh order his Israeli jihadist to carry out these barbaric acts;

Deuteronomy 20:17 You must utterly destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Revisited, just as the LORD your God has commanded you.

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Exodus 21:3 The LORD heard the voice of Israel and delivered up the [b] Canaanites; then they utterly destroyed them and their cities. [/b]Thus the name of the place was called Hormah [Utter Destruction]

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2:33 The Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army.
2:34 At that time we took all his cities and completely destroyed them men, women and children. We left no survivors.

NB: these ^ are just 3 of the many unrefutable atrocities committed by yahweh, i will like you address them one after the other before i further bring out the rest.

I tell you, you will run away with tails between your legs as usual.

Nonsense!!!

So this is all you want to come up with despite your "bragado".

Refer to my earlier posts, your questions are already answered. The fact that all you guys are repeating the same questions shows you are exhausted.

For your further education, visit here:

https://www.knowingthebible.net/the-extermination-of-the-canaanites

oaroloye:
(3) WAR OF INVASION.

[color=#FFFFFF].[/color] EXODUS 17:8-16.

8. Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim.
9. And Moses said unto Joshua,
"Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek:
to morrow I will stand on the top of the hill
with the Rod of God in mine hand."
10. So Joshua did as Moses had said to him,
and fought with Amalek:
and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill.
11. And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand,
that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand,
Amalek prevailed.
12. But Moses hands were heavy; and they took a stone,
and put it under him, and he sat thereon;
and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands,
the one on the one side, and the other on the other side;
and his hands were steady until the going down of the Sun.
13. And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people
with the edge of the sword.
14. And the LORD said unto Moses,
"Write this for a memorial in a Book,
and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua:
for I will utterly put out
the Remembrance of Amalek from under Heaven."
15. And Moses built an Altar,
and called the Name of it Jehovahnissi:
16. For he said,
"Because The LORD hath sworn
that The LORD will have war with Amalek
from generation to generation."

THIS IS WAR- PURE AND SIMPLE.

It does not matter what the JUSTIFICATION for fighting was.

[color=#FFFFFF].[/color] [U]DEUTERONOMY 23:2-6.[/U]

2. A Bastard shall not enter into The Congregation of the LORD;
even to his tenth generation
shall he not enter into The Congregation of The LORD.
3. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not
enter into the Congregation of The LORD;
even to their tenth generation
shall they not enter into The Congregation of The LORD for ever:
4. Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way,
when ye came forth out of Egypt;
and because they hired against thee
Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee.
5. Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam;
but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee,
because the LORD thy God loved thee.
6. Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity
all thy days for ever.

THE STIPULATION WAS "RELIGIOUS WAR."

These people worshipped a different God than what they worshipped, so these Outsiders were not welcome.

Their Seers also would have informed them that THE MOST HIGH GOD, Whom they HATED, had given the Children of Israel their land- so they knew very well what they were doing.

What would you have done, if you were an Amalekite?

Someone has asked the same question in Exodus 17 earlier, refer to it. I can't repeat myself.

oaroloye:
(3) WAR OF INVASION.

[color=#FFFFFF].[/color] EXODUS 17:8-16.

8. Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim.
9. And Moses said unto Joshua,
"Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek:
to morrow I will stand on the top of the hill
with the Rod of God in mine hand."
10. So Joshua did as Moses had said to him,
and fought with Amalek:
and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill.
11. And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand,
that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand,
Amalek prevailed.
12. But Moses hands were heavy; and they took a stone,
and put it under him, and he sat thereon;
and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands,
the one on the one side, and the other on the other side;
and his hands were steady until the going down of the Sun.
13. And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people
with the edge of the sword.
14. And the LORD said unto Moses,
"Write this for a memorial in a Book,
and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua:
for I will utterly put out
the Remembrance of Amalek from under Heaven."
15. And Moses built an Altar,
and called the Name of it Jehovahnissi:
16. For he said,
"Because The LORD hath sworn
that The LORD will have war with Amalek
from generation to generation."

THIS IS WAR- PURE AND SIMPLE.

It does not matter what the JUSTIFICATION for fighting was.

[color=#FFFFFF].[/color] [U]DEUTERONOMY 23:2-6.[/U]

2. A Bastard shall not enter into The Congregation of the LORD;
even to his tenth generation
shall he not enter into The Congregation of The LORD.
3. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not
enter into the Congregation of The LORD;
even to their tenth generation
shall they not enter into The Congregation of The LORD for ever:
4. Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way,
when ye came forth out of Egypt;
and because they hired against thee
Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee.
5. Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam;
but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee,
because the LORD thy God loved thee.
6. Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity
all thy days for ever.

THE STIPULATION WAS "RELIGIOUS WAR."

These people worshipped a different God than what they worshipped, so these Outsiders were not welcome.

Their Seers also would have informed them that THE MOST HIGH GOD, Whom they HATED, had given the Children of Israel their land- so they knew very well what they were doing.

What would you have done, if you were an Amalekite?

Someone has asked the same question earlier, refer to it. I can't repeat myself.

Rilwon:
Shy away as usual.. How is what i said trash? Are you still maintaining your challenge in the OP?

I have plethora of evidence that you cannot debunk as regards religious war ordered by Yahweh in the the Bible. We have had this discussion before where you end up running with tails between your leg.. You don't want to be shame again, are you?

You have nothing and that is why you couldn't present it. Those who thought they have something have posted them and they have been completely debunked. Stop your al-taqquiya nonsense.

Rilwon:
Its not about what i know about the bible, but about the fact that Yahweh indeed ordered his israeli jihadist to wage religious war and exterminating those that don't agree with him, are you going to deny? .. You know this quite well, why did you open this thread?

Just talking trash as usual. When will you learn?

Rilwon:
That your assumption about debunking any alleged religious war in the Bible is a joke. Don't tell me you are serious because you will soon run away as usual.

Why these preambles?

What do you know about the Bible that I will run away for you? Lying spirit is till holding you tight.

MaziOmenuko:
Lol...but the reason for the wars was given in the same chapter 7, u didn't need to rush to chapter 9 to look for them, unless of course u want to play the ostritch which even proves the main reason u opened this thread.

Ciao!

You are not making any sense here.

Does it matter where the reason is given within and not outside the Bible? Besides, the reason is within Deuteronomy itself.

Rilwon:
Don't tell me the underlined is not a joke

What is that supposed to mean?

oaroloye:
(2) BIBLICAL RELIGIOUS WARS: 2.

THE SHECHEM MASSACRE: THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT TOUCHERY!

[color=#FFFFFF].[/color] GENESIS 34:1-31.

AND Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land.
2. And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.
3. And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.
4. And Shechem spake unto his father Hamor, saying,
“Get me this damsel to wife.”
5. And Jacob heard that he had defiled Dinah his daughter: now his sons were with his cattle in the field: and Jacob held his peace until they were come.
6. And Hamor the father of Shechem went out unto Jacob to commune with him.
7. And the sons of Jacob came out of the field when they heard it: and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought folly in Israel in lying with Jacob's daughter: which thing ought not to be done.
8. And Hamor communed with them, saying,
“The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter: I pray you give her him to wife.
9. “And make ye marriages with us, and give your daughters unto us, and take our daughters unto you.
10. “And ye shall dwell with us: and the land shall be before you; dwell and trade ye therein, and get you possessions therein.”
11. And Shechem said unto her father and unto her brethren,
”Let me find grace in your eyes, and what ye shall say unto me I will give.
12. “Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me: but give me the damsel to wife.”
13. And the sons of Jacob answered Shechem and Hamor his father deceitfully, and said, because he had defiled Dinah their sister:
14. And they said unto them,
“We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us:
15. “But in this will we consent unto you: If ye will be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised;
16. “Then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and we will become one people.
17. “But if ye will not hearken unto us, to be circumcised; then will we take our daughter, and we will be gone.”
18. And their words pleased Hamor, and Shechem Hamor's son.
19. And the young man deferred not to do the thing, because he had delight in Jacob's daughter: and he was more honourable than all the house of his father.
20. And Hamor and Shechem his son came unto the gate of their city, and communed with the men of their city, saying,
21. “These men are peaceable with us; therefore let them dwell in the land, and trade therein; for the land, behold, it is large enough for them; let us take their daughters to us for wives, and let us give them our daughters.
22. “Only herein will the men consent unto us for to dwell with us, to be one people, if every male among us be circumcised, as they are circumcised.
23. “Shall not their cattle and their substance and every beast of their's be our's? only let us consent unto them, and they will dwell with us.”
24. And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city;
and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.
25. And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob,
Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword,
and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.
26. And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword,
and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went out.
27. The sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and spoiled the city,
because they had defiled their sister.
28. They took their sheep, and their oxen, and their asses,
and that which was in the city, and that which was in the field,
29. And all their wealth, and all their little ones, and their wives took they captive,
and spoiled even all that was in the House.
30. And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi,
"Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land,
among the Canaanites and the Perizzites:
and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me;
and I shall be destroyed, I and my House."
31. And they said,
"Should he deal with our sister as with an harlot?"

THIS WAS AGAIN ABOUT RELIGION- "Thou shalt not Sex without Due Process BEFORE, not AFTER!"

This was the greatest MISMATCH in History- TWO GUYS versus a whole town- NOTHING for the town!

It is so clear that you guys have nothing to say
Stop flooding this thread with irrelevances.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

Sorry to bring up this... stuff- but as a Christian, I believe that we have a Sacred Duty to tell the Truth, even though it makes things awkward for us.

(1) CAIN AND ABEL: The first Religious War in The Bible.

[color=#FFFFFF].[/color] GENESIS 4:1-16.

AND Adam knew Eve his wife;
and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said,
"I have gotten a man from the LORD."
2. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3. And in process of time it came to pass,
that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto The LORD.
4. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.
And The LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5. But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect.
And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6. And The LORD said unto Cain,
“Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7. “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
8. And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9. And The LORD said unto Cain,
"Where is Abel thy brother?"
And he said,
"I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?"
10. And He said,
"What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11. "And now art thou cursed from the Earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12. "When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the Earth."
13. And Cain said unto The LORD,
"My Punishment is greater than I can bear.
14. "Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the Earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me."
15. And The LORD said unto him,
“Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, Vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And The LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
16. And Cain went out from The Presence of The LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the East of Eden.

THIS WAS THE BADDEST WAR- 100% RELIGIOUSLY-MOTIVATED in the History of the Human Race!

25% of the Known Human Race was COMPLETELY ERADICATED!!!

.............

[WHAT? Why are you looking at me like that]

How do you call this a religious war?

What was their religion?

Elohim1:
What Wickedness Did The Occupant Of The Promise Land Commit?? "God Say" "God Say" "Muslims Say" "Muslims Say"

The people were committing sins (offences) that are not acceptable to any society then and today. God even warned the Israelites that if they commit similar sins, they will be dealt with the same way, meaning God wasn't partial. He has a standard that if not followed, will attract capital punishment. Please note that God didn't wake up in a day to render judgment on the people, it was after several warnings.

Read about everything you need to know here:

https://www.knowingthebible.net/the-extermination-of-the-canaanites

Elohim1:
Yeah The People The Muslim Bomb To Are Believed To Be Wicked By The Muslims So Don't Complain Anytime U Hear A Bomb blast Cause If U Do Ill Be Quoting U With A Screen Shut Of This Chat!! Cause U Believe That The Children Babies And Pregnant Women In That Land Deserve To Die!! Tank You You Even Proved U Are Worst Than Them

What wickedness did the Christians killed by muslims commit? Lame talk !!!

God decided to exterminate them because of their wickedness, are their women and children not from the men? If they killed only the men and left the women and the children, would their wickedness not continue?

Elohim1:
God Rescued The Israelite From Egypt And Promised Them A "Promise Land" Filled With Milk And Honey The Problem With The Promise Land Is That People Where Already Occupying It So What Do They Do?? THEY Have To Slaughter Everyone On Their Way!! To Snatch The Promise Land From Them @op Next Time U Are Creating A Thread Don't U Dare Relate Muslim With Atheist In short Don't Even Mention Atheist In Ur Post!!

Who did they slaughter on their way who didn't deserve it?

God said the occupants of the promised land were wicked people, who didn't deserve to enjoy what they got on the land.

MaziOmenuko:
Check your first post in this thread: you said "bring the verse and i will debunk it"

I quoted Deut 7, you are deviating to Deut 9. Please deal with the contents of the chapter I quoted first before digging up other chapters; Or is the chapter I quoted not part of the bible?

Is it not the same Deuteronomy? If God gives His reason in another Book, is it out of place since it is talking about the same incident, talkless of the same Book?

Friend, you have no point.