₦airaland Forum

owobokiri:
Tinubus ethnic henchmen will be here in a jiffy to ask us "why is she not dancing in igboland?"...

Every topic is approached from the most petty angles

Keep shut. There's everything wrong seeing her dancing in Lagos club. Has she turned to Olosho or sugar mummy or a stripper?

She didn't attend function to donate 100k to less privilege from her foundation.

She didn't attend house warming, wedding ceremony or church harvest.
Rather she left Anambra all the way to Lagos in the dead night dancing in a club that could be filled with drug addicts and kidnappers, and you are not ashamed of her.

What if she's raped, molested or kidnapped, you'll start shouting Tilumbu up and down.

If at 60 she has turned to a street dancer we could well assume that had a terrible childhood and happy married life

Validated:
Because Lagos is for ALL OF US, while Onitsha is for Igbos, just like Oshogbo is for the Yorubas.

When they begin beat you up now you'll start crying

givedemwotowoto:
Future tax collectors, Lagos Agbero style

Is there no agberi in Anambra?

givedemwotowoto:
Go and read some books and history about what real reforms are, perhaps you'll stop parading nonsense and embarrass yourself more before people who are informed.

I can see your anger has taken better parts of you when you are confronted with how different people see and appreciate Tinubu's reform. No one can help you if all that you see is poverty and hunger

Reforms have different meaning to a typical Obidient.

When fuel subsidy was removed, they said Tinubu copied Obi's template.

When you show them the increase in foreign reserves they tell you people are hungry

When you show them NELFUND initiative, they will tell you those who graduated are unemployed.

When you show them that state police will improve security situation they will claim governors will use it to oppress the opposition.

Show them the positive balance of trade they will tell you it is Dangote doing.

You are only displaying the character that the Obidients are known for but sadly that won't influence anyone outside your blind Obidient movement

givedemwotowoto:
You're missing the entire point of the numbers.

First of all, you tried to bring in numbers to tell Nigerians how much they could save from better roads, I'm telling you Nigerians are already paying millions of naira extra and have emptied their bank accounts, so your savings is irrelevant to them, it doesn't benefit them in any way. They need a lot more than road construction.

The point is, For the volume of indirect tax Nigerians are paying annually to Tinubu's government which is millions of naira, celebrating road construction as a major achievement is very mediocre and disappointing to say the least.

Very poor governance, to put it mildly.

No one in the platform have said it is the major achievement but one of the major achievement.

A Nigerian living abroad may not see road construction as the biggest achievement of Tinubu probably because he is not a Nigeria road user, other like in middle belt may see creation of state police as his greatest achievement just like a local contractor in my village may see local government fiscal autonomy as his take in this government.

No one

givedemwotowoto:
People build factories, then build access roads to those factories.

People also plan industrial cities, then build access roads while building those cities. Where is Tinubu's masterplan?

Go and read your history, coastal road is not a Tinubu master plan but Nigeria master plan that has been in the paper since the era of Shehu Shagari. He is only executing the Nigeria plan that will benefit the Nigerian people

Tinubu master plan lies in his reforms and restructuring and he is delivering excellently in this aspect

givedemwotowoto:
I'm still right on topic. I was only painting the real picture for you with numbers so you can understand better why Nigerians feel disappointed that this government is celebrating road construction when they have yet to even scratch the surface of good governance.

Without these numbers (statistics), you people won't understand the reality on ground. You'll think Tinubu is doing a lot when he has failed woefully.

Your point is not relevant and it is a subtle way of diverting attention from your thread.

The keywords in your thread centred around
1. Road construction
2. Good governance

Bringing subsidy into this is a distraction and unnecessary because price of oil flunctuate based on international price. You should thank God fuel subsidy was removed at the time otherwise with US Iran war fuel would have been sold above 2500/ litre.

You can do a comparative analysis on that with our neighbor countries and also with oill producing countries and countries with similar population and tell us the percentage increase in the price of fuel in their country between 2023 and now.

givedemwotowoto:
Let me give you a better way to think about the numbers:

There are approximately 12 million cars in Nigeria. Suppose half of these car owners use 50 liters of Petrol weekly to fuel their cars.

For each person using 50 liters of Petrol per week, this is how much they're losing annually under Tinubu:

2023 before Tinubu:
50 liters per week = ₦265 x 50 = They paid about ₦14,000 weekly

2026:
50 liters per week = ₦1,000 x 50 = They now pay about ₦50,000 weekly

The difference is about ₦35,000 weekly x 52 weeks (1 year) = about ₦1.8 million extra annually

So every car owner is losing at least ₦1.8 million naira that would've been in their bank account to the government.

For a couple who use their both cars for work and school errands, it's at least ₦3.5 million.

Each car owner is paying extra ₦1.8 million or ₦3.5 million (couple) annually on petrol alone for their cars. Generators excluded.

When you add rising food prices and other expenses, you'll realize people have literally emptied their bank account savings to augment the hardship and inflation since Tinubu took office.

And what do Nigerians get in return for this indirect taxation? Not security. Not a better economy. Not better public services. Instead, they're expected to celebrate a coastal highway.

Your topic is not about subsidy removal, it is about importance of road as a catalyst for development.

Oil is priced as international commodity, removing fuel subsidy only exposes our fragility which we have been covering that has resulted in poor development, poor economic growth, poor infrastructure and weak fundamentals.

Stick with the argument of why road construction is not a criteria for good governance. You can revisit your position in a separate thread but stay on this subject and don't deviate

Willie2015:
Survival first ..
Delaying all these mega roads does not kill the economy...
When millions of people fall into poverty, they stop buying goods.
Even if a road is perfectly built, traders cannot use it profitably if there is no consumer market left to sell to.
Infrastructure is a long-term game that should ideally be funded by a healthy, tax-paying business community.
When the state prioritizes massive, upfront infrastructure spending while simultaneously letting its core economic engine—MSMEs—bleed out, it risks building roads that lead to empty marketplaces.
SMEs is the engine room of any modern economy...
These facts are basic economics...

While I quite agree with some of your points, you will agree that government won't start dolling out money to its citizen when she is lacking in some critical infrastructure. That's not they way out of poverty, the way out is to build infrastructures that will improve the standard of the living of the people

nairalanda1:
Okay, a little fact here

IN April , discos made 206 billion naira in total from all consumers in the country...most of who do not pay cost reflective tarrif.

At the same time, the gas bills alone for the gencos for the month of April was 195 billion naira. At least.

That means that if the gencos took 195 billion from those revenue, there would have been about 11 billion left, which is supposed to pay for salaries, maintenance, expansion of the grid, and taxes, and pension payments, etc etc...which isn't enough.

Note that the operating expenses of one...that is one disco is 10-40 billion naira. JUST ONE disco. JUST ONE. not all of them. ONE. GENCOS collectively have expenses of N280 billion monthly, of which they manage to get 80 billion by some hook or crook.

And from what you are saying ..11 Billion naira monthly can provide something like 300-400 billion naira monthly for the gencos and discos to operate efficently.

NO wonder you got so emotional and started talking with anger. You know I am right.

As a result, discos and gencos are in debt, which is because there isn't a cost reflective tarrif.

As Prof Nnaji, who owns Aba disco and is not a government agent, said last year, (and way back in 2018)



See the problem.

Look all these figures you pushed up here are put up together by who?

By same consultants that are hired by same inefficient companies. We have been in this route and know how all these things work.

What you will rather need to do is to conduct your indeoent research at mini micro level to ascertain the cost per unit of electricity generated by private individual compared to the Disco billing
You can go further and do same study on what it will cost big companies who rely on Disco and those that provide their independent power.

Do you think Presidential Villa didn't do it's due diligence before migrating to independent power?

In the history of Nigeria Disco, I received refund or compensation for power outage for the month of April and May. That tell you that tariff is not the issue, the issue is inability of the power companies to fulfill their obligations to their consumer.

Unless they improve theri services they risks going bankrupt in no distance time

Willie2015:
Tinubu is compassionate about fixing roads..

But wicked to push over 12 million people into abject poverty ..
Over 7 million SMES closed up under Tinubu reforms.....
Thats about 30% of SMEs in Nigeria....
Is fixing roads more important than the contribution of SMEs to the Nigerian economy..?
Do you know that SMEs historically contribute nearly 50% of Nigeria's Gross Domestic Product (GDP)..
Dont know how you guys reason....

A typical V6 engine car consumes between 20 to 40 liters of fuel in 4 hours, if all the highway being built has reduced the average driving times in interstates movement and we have 500k vehicle that saves as much as 4hours in their daily movement, convert

1. The cost of fuel saved daily by 500k vehicles who saved 4hours in their movement hour.

2 Monitise the amount of money each passenger will save if his productive working hour is 15k.

While physical structure is many of you see as wastage, an intelligent mind will equally access its hidden benefits. Road construction are not only tangible assets, they are intangible assets and the are unseen value that comes with it that many of you have not been patient enough to evaluate

For the fact that it is not Northern turn has nullified Atiku. Try he can try but to win is for Tinubu

nairalanda1:
I'm afraid my points on tarrifs and so forth are relevant...especially since the so called laws you quote are rendered moot by the government setting prices, not the producer, be it a big time one or a small time one.

Better abandon politics. Tarrifs must be cost reflective for the power sector to work, and everyone must pay, or else you won't see light.

Government light is as useless to me as P in Psychology. No sensible person in Nigeria today rely on government for electricity.

Let me shock you, your disco and genco has pushed Nigerians to the wall to the extent that their power is now regarded as backup to their main power.

The more they increase their tariff the more consumers that can pay port to provide reliable light for themselves.

Many homes despite having Nepa today rely on their own powered electricity because the discover that it is reliable and cost efficient.

How many companies both big and small still depend on your Nepa as primary source of energy?

Your present crops of power provider will eventually go bankrupt when everyone begin to generate it's power. The only consumer that will be left in your band nonsense will be government establishment and rural communities.

Go and give your ogas this piece of advise

nairalanda1:
Even so, UAE Is a bad example.

None of those oil rich gulf countries are regarded as developed. They are underdeveloped countries hiding their productive lack using free money

If the resources supplying that money goes, they are doomed.

Don't be arrogant with what you don't know.

The UAE has successfully transformed its economy and broadened its tax base. Non-oil sectors drive over 75% of the country's total GDP. The government successfully diversified revenue by introducing a 9% federal corporate tax and implementing a 15% domestic minimum top-up tax for multinational enterprises.

nairalanda1:
China, and company all made choices that most of you do not want to make.

Also, Indonesia celebrated moving to a new capital recently, same way we did for abuja in 1991...does that mean Indonesia is as bad as NIgeria?

India runs the same band system for electricity as does Nigeria, with predictable results. Power cuts.

Pls don't derail this thread with your band, tariff discussion as power generation transmission and distribution have been decentralised in such a way that a small company can provide minimum MW required by law and sell to the consumer.

The law permits individual to generates his own power, so this becomes secondary when placed by road construction and the improved in technology will further compel government to hand over electricity to private individuals and companies

nairalanda1:
UAE is an oil rich country that has about one tenth of the population of Nigeria, and produces twice as much oil as Nigeria.

Compared to us, their per capita income from oil is higher, so they use the money to build shiny new things.

If oil ran out today, they be doomed.

Nigeria should not follow UAE\s example.

Am not doing resource comparison among countries here, am here to address the Germaine reason behind the thread which is about importance of road infrastructure to the development of Nigeria.

You can either argue with me why building roads such as Coastal Highway and other major highways are not necessary now in the development of our country

These are road infrastructure in China

iammolise:
It's only but so much a shame that Nigeria at 65yrs and the government is still celebrating road construction as an achievement, India, china, Indonesia and the other asian industrial Titans can't be celebrating roads as achievement because they've all gone past that mentality, they now looking towards competing with the USA and Europe in the industrial/technology sphere, even in Africa here, the likes of south Africa, Libia, Egypt, Tunisia even Ghana are not celebrating road construction as achievements, they've all controlled their economy, that is why south Africans can berate and look at Nigerians as a parasite in their country because we don't produce anything, our economy is not progressing, even more declining. It's such a pity how corruption has handicapped Nigeria so bad.

Stop talking nonsense, UAE is reckon as a developed country today because of its infrastructural advancement which is centred on road construction and artichectural designs of the city.

Will there have been a thriving market and tourism in Dubai if the roads are not build?

Where are the Obidients getting all these advise from?

garykoeman:
But building beer parlor is good governance.

All these nnamdi kanu followers and Peter obi supporters.

Don't mind them, these are same people who called Alex Otti the best Nigeria governor simply because he did some road that was abandoned by the previous governor of the state. This is someone who still owes pensioners and is unable to pay minimum wage is termed best governor because of his infrastructural work in the same breath now turned around to trivialize same infrastructure that the present FG is doing.

Obidients are not opposition, they are confused hypocrites

givedemwotowoto:
Roads are what a government is expected to do, not what it is expected to boast of as its prime achievement.

Boasting about roads is like parents boasting about feeding their children as their biggest achievement

Hypocrisy.

You didn't say this when you termed Alex Otti as the best governor over some good road he built in Abia state.

Just tell us the motivation behind this thread is fuelled by hatred, no one will beat you

guobe:
So true ,it's more money for the boys to share as they are always sharing money all the time in Nigeria.

Thank God it's Nigerian that are sharing Nigeria money in Nigeria and not a Camerounian

Nice one, please tell your ChatGTP to come and vote on election day. I don't want to hear election is rigged

Judemarco31:
Your kind of person is why Daniel Bwala said that "Once you join APC your brain stopped functioning" The poster said that the "Roads constructions are not achievement" but what are the impacts of the Roads constructed to your life [b][/b], is Nigeria better now than how it was before 2015.

Do you know what is called tangible and intangible assets?

You will get the answer to your question on election day.keep doing cho cho cho on SM

SeeWahala:
Peter Obi is coming to plug/remove/delete all those your armed robbery charges/allocations and disbursements from our federal tax payers purse

Afterall he does not benefit from it one bit 🤗 he's the leader we all know will plug the excessive wastage and corruption in your tilumbu's APC regime 🥰

This is where logic among Obidients becomes embarrassing. A typical Obidient will tell you they are not consigned about the party that win HoA, HoR and the Senate, their only candidate is Peter Obi, and you wonder how a president can unilaterally change section of the constitution that favours the legislators especially when majority of them belong to the opposition party

That again show you don't know what first line charge mean

It is like building a power generation system without the transmission system.

Obidients are no longer advertising ignorance, they are chewing and swallowing it.

SeeWahala:
Imagine they take away the ability of over 90% of the citizenry to purchase vehicles or bicycles . . .

Then they use the money they took from those same now impoverished citizens to build roads that only they themselves (elite) can drive on

Then their sit and wait for us to clap for them 🤨

The reason why it is difficult to engage a typical Obidient is the way they showcase ignorance like badge of honour.

You mean you don't know that the money used by Nass to purchase cars for the Legislators is in First Line Charge.

You don't know that Nass has 100 percent control of how their budget is spent and the disbursement is statutory?

Gosh!

Corrections:
The reason things that work in other countries not working in Nigeria is because of CORRUPTION.

Theres no society that doesn't have corrupt elements what is required is a strong institution, sound law and trained enforcer which state police represent.

How do you have corrupt free society when there's no enforcer and the existing enforcers are entrenched in a unitary arrangement that is in conflict with a federal constitution?

MightySparrow:
There is still federal police just like we had before. See my brother, what we have now is highly corrupted. Have you ever listened to the military fighting insurgencies? A superior officer would always call to stop attacking when the troops have advantage. See when Gen. Musa became CSO, fulanis ran away from southern Kaduna.
I think it is because you are living in a peaceful part of the country that is making you think this way.

Maybe you didn't understand my post. Please read and digest it.
Because the Federal architecture have failed is the same reason why state police is inevitable. At the root of it all is the correction of federal constitution deficiency that is foisted on us by the past military rulers.
Any argument that rejects creation of state police is flawed from the start.
What debate should focus on should be how each state will manage the state police to get the best result for the people

FSBoperator:
The OP is disappointed by the blowback they are getting in response to their lame expansionism.

Ignore him.

Am not just getting it.

You want the union to be dismembered, but you are pushing for residential bill, you reject fiscal autonomy that comes with tax reform bill, you reject creation of state police that will enforce state law.

Who doesn't know your shout of disintegration is simply because you are not in control of power?

MightySparrow:
Well, I feel it is better. It changed once when politicians were using it to terrorize opponents. If no more suitable, it will be changed. For now it is okay.

Is it not even better to put your security hope in your governor than non state actors who are spreading over the country?

If it is convenient for you to live with status quo where state can't enforce their state law, other states are tired of a system that is not working and with state police have opportunity to correct anomaly they experience with the federal police