I think without these changes there will be more long term damage to the Uk educational sector. Many of those universities are fast becoming diploma mills only interested in the money international students from Nigeria India etc are bringing and long term this will seriously affect the credibility and reputation of UK universities. We all know majority of the students impacted are not really students but using the student visa as a route to migrate.

Those universities will have to adjust and face reality rather than be allowed to continue to admit any and everybody as long as they are willing to pay. There will be short term pain but in my opinion it makes more sense for the long term. UK universities cannot continue the way they have been operating, it’s not sustainable. Those universities impacted will adjust by closing some of the many random and useless courses they offer, trimming their bloated workforce and making more realistic growth plans.

The UK already suffers from abundance of so called Mickey degrees where students are enrolling on courses that don't really lead to good paying jobs and now they are focused on enrolling a ton on international students who end up with limited career prospects in the UK just so they can get their international fees.

I l know international students from Nigeria who have gone for MBA and now work as care workers just to be able to get work permits to remain in the UK, I'm sure you can see that is not the right path. Many of those universities now offer masters course with placement year even though they do absolutely nothing to help the students get a placement just so they can charge extra fee for the placement year in exchange for helping international students get longer student visas. It's all a charade and a mess.

There are many reports of poor teaching, mediocre students who do the bare minimum but lecturers are pressured to pass them so as not to affect the money coming from international students, having classes 90% international students many who can’t even speak or write basic English yet enrolled on a course taught in English. My view is the long term impact of allowing greedy lazy university administrators to depend so much on international students is far worse than the short term impact of the changes being made.

emkz:
This is being clever by half.

A recent report also said that the enrollment of non-EU students in a third of UK universities dropped significantly, doubling on the decline from previous year. Because of the decline in international students enrollment which previously contributed to the revenue of universities, some universities have responded by cutting their work force while others have reduced entry standards to attract high-paying international students.

Another report which identified India and Nigeria as source markets for UK universities, stated that financial modelling by PwC "indicates that anywhere from 51% to 80% of UK universities could fall into deficit if international enrolments decline from 2024/25 onwards".

So while Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Home Secretary James Cleverly are celebrating the decline in dependants, they are afraid to highlight the damage they have done to the UK university system.

Same way, Nigel Farage, former UK Independence Party (UKIP), blamed the UK government for forcing their medical personnel to migrate abroad and poaching such services from poor African nations.

The UK migration policies under the Conservatives have flip-flopped over the years. Their inconsistencies affect long-term planning.

I pray they lose their next elections.

Please, if you have the funds, do not waste it in the UK. Many immigrants are looking towards United States and Australia. New Zealand is not bad. Also Germany, Republic of Ireland, Finland and Sweden. I did not mention Canada as I feel those ones have reached a saturation point after selling immigration for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDAa6ZQeEJ4&pp=ygULSXJlbGFuZCBnZHA%3D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKmem7Epk8E


These videos will educate you a lot more than the world economic forum 😂

And the attached screenshot is a headline of way he mentioned in the video where there was a point where Apple's iPhone sales accounted for a quarter of Ireland's GDP growth and my guy is claiming Ireland is super rich 😂 😂 😂

Indigbo:



my wife works for a biotech company called Horizon which was headquartered in Ireland for tax purposes but operates pretty much out of Deerfield in Illinois. yen yen yen yen. Your wife na member of global economic? Or she work for European economic forum?

Forget story. Ireland is a super rich country.

Please address my points one by one and tell me which one is wrong, because you paid $69k for the last world economic forum doesn't means Ireland's true GDP per capita is over $130k?

As I said I will be surprised if Ireland's true GDP is more than $45k when you remove all the distortions from the US companies.

You claim they are working on their housing crisis and so immigrants will flood in, aren't the majority of the jobs that attracted immigrants from the US companies in the first place? 😂, which Irish company is hiring people at that level? None buddy none. The job boom was driven by US companies setting up in Ireland for tax purposes, stop claiming what you don't understand.

And as I said if the EU is successful in closing the tax loophole in their fight with Apple Ireland's GDP will drop significantly because there is really no other benefit aside the tax benefits hence why even Ireland is fighting against the EU. In summary Ireland will be F**KED if the EU is successful in forcing Apple to pay the back taxes and closing the loophole. And the Biden administration gave also been trying to work with other countries to level the corporate tax and agree a minimum corporate tax which if successful will close the tax haven loophole that Ireland depends on.

Luxembourg is a rich country yes but that GDP per capita is highly skewed, as I said half of the country's workforce live and commute from neighboring countries like Australia, Germany etc so NO Luxembourg does not have a true GDP per capita of over $130k or whatever was listed. Are they still a rich country sure but nowhere near $130k per capita rich, not even close. And Luxembourg's GDP per capita is also skewed by US companies seeking tax havens into Europe lol.

For someone who claims to go to attend the world economic forum you sure have very little understanding of how economies work.

You really think the Irish have it better than the British? Really Ireland is richer than the UK? Nah joke? 😂 😆

Indigbo:



Please don't argue what you don't know. Do you work with global finance? Last world economic forum with membership fee cost $69,000 per year, my oga is a member and we attended together. I'm not a member. Plus don't argue if you don't know about these things. Ireland is a phucking very very rich country. In fact They don't even know what to do with money again cos they're super rich now. You can't go hungry in Ireland except if you're not ready to show yourself. They're currently working on their accommodation crisis, you see how immigrants flooding in right now? Luxembourg too same but the difference is that Ireland is more accessible than Luxembourg. Lux is phucking rich too. Those two countries are small but mighty in money right now. This I am one billion percent sure of. I don't argue about what I am not sure of.

Ok I don hear, Ireland is super rich, go an get a high paying job in Ireland 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆

I don't need to work for world economic forum to have an understanding but that's seems to be your shining moment that you paid $65k for your boss to attend world economic forum and yet you can't grasp the basic concept of what drives different countries GDP per capita.

Which companies have the Irish founded that justifies such high GDP per capita? Guinness Do they have oil like Norway where you can clearly see their high GDP per capita is how they invested their natural resources and they have a small population?

When you have a country with GDP per capita of $130k yet the average salary is €3k a month that should set alarms bells in your head to ask what is driving the unusually high GDP per capita not. You should not have such disparity between both figures.

Indigbo:



my wife works for a biotech company called Horizon which was headquartered in Ireland for tax purposes but operates pretty much out of Deerfield in Illinois. yen yen yen yen. Your wife na member of global economic? Or she work for European economic forum?

Forget story. Ireland is a super rich country.

You're joking right?

I will give a real life example, my wife works for a biotech company called Horizon which was headquartered in Ireland for tax purposes but operates pretty much out of Deerfield in Illinois.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/7/22715229/ireland-status-tax-haven-google-facebook-apple

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/10/23/ireland-identified-as-one-of-worlds-top-tax-havens/

If Ireland truly has a GDP per capita of $130k+ who is their average salary like €3k a month

My point about the taxes is not just to UK but pretty much Europe but I used UK as example. This is an example of Amazon using Luxembourg to do the same thing. And that is another reason why Luxembourg's GDP per capita is skewed, a combination of US tech firms using it as a low tax entry into the EU and Europe and half of its workforce living in neighboring countries but excluded from the GDP per capita calculation.


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/may/04/amazon-sales-income-europe-corporation-tax-luxembourg

Apple was the tech company that started this trend and you can see the EU has started fighting back and
If they succeed I expect Ireland GDP to drop over time given that tax advantage is no longer there.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/09/apple-suffers-setback-in-fight-against-eu-order-to-pay-11bn-tax-bill-in-ireland

If you think you will go Ireland and get a €100k job because the GDP per capita is so high you're delusional lol

Ireland is a tax haven simple stop deceiving yourself, and the boom in jobs over the last 10 or so years has been driven by US tech and other companies especially biotechnology companies setting up their European headquarters there for tax reasons.

Ireland's true GDP is significantly lower than the UK, I will be surprised if it's more than $45k.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2023/01/30/irish-economy-now-growing-at-four-times-the-eu-rate/


https://www.politico.eu/article/ireland-gdp-growth-multinationals-misleading/

OriOko88:

You're so confident typing fake news online. What's the correlation between ireland and UK. Ireland is in EU while UK is not. So what's with UK anger over US companies paying corporate tax in Ireland? U think Ireland is in UK?

Not really.

Many of the countries with higher GDP per capita are not true representation eg Ireland has a high GDP per capita because of the high number of American companies who have their headquarters there for tax purposes. Most of those companies activities actually take place in the US or they use Ireland as a gateway to the UK market but benefit from lower taxes so the true GDP per capita for Ireland is significantly lower same as average income. That's why you have people in the UK angry that the likes of Google or Amazon pay little corporate tax in the UK because of the way they have structures they corporate organization through Ireland.

Luxembourg has a high GDP per capita because it is a very small country and about 50% if it's workforce actually live outside and commute from Austria, Germany etc so when they calculate the GDP per capita it's based on the actual numbers of people who live in Luxembourg but that excludes the roughly 50% of the workforce who commute.

sleekybaba:


Ireland is a very very very rich country.

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What a useless post, the additional countries that the other countries can go to are not necessarily countries the average person is traveling to. You claim US passport is overrated at 5th, what’s Nigerian passports ranking?

Expect more restrictions.

And I see where Cleverly is coming from, many UK universities are fast becoming money mills desperate to get money from international students at the expense of falling standards and this will impact the reputation of UK universities in the long term.

Many of these universities are unable to help students get good jobs after graduation and are only focused on money. Career outcomes, salaries etc plays a significant part in the ranking and reputation of universities and when you now have a significant amount of your students coming as a way to migrate not because they are true students and many ending up doing care work there will be consequences. They may make money short term but medium to long term there will be far reaching consequences.

When you go to a university in the UK and end up in a course that is 90% international students you should know there's trouble brewing.

When Nigerians find a loophole we tend to overdo it to the extent that it's so obvious it's a loophole that is being abused and guess what? The loophole will be closed.


https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/12/overseas-students-undermining-uk-higher-education-warns-cleverly

RodgersAkpafu:


Well said!

But still

And by your logic we are smart for abandoning our education sector and paying huge sums of money as tuition in the UK?

While international students bring in money, as with all things there's an optimum amount before they start to experience negative returns. All those Nigerians going with children will all be eligible for free education etc., increasing cost of housing for their citizens etc. so there are also negative impacts, the decision cannot just be made on "get paid huge sum for tuition", there are lots of other factors and impacts.

Analyst7:
This Uk people are very funny and daft, Nigerians pay huge sum of money as tuition, then they expect you not to use their opportunity to the fullest….dem go learn

That's not true for students which is the main issue here, the stats show Nigerians bring a lot more dependents to the UK and its even worse when you adjust per capita because more Indians are issued UK student visas than Nigerians yet Nigerian students bring more dependents.

The main reason is the difference in demographic, while there are always exceptions the average Indian international student in the UK is younger and sponsored by parents while the average Nigerian is older, married with children.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2023/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-study#:~:text=Nigeria%20had%20the%20highest%20number,increasing%20from%2022%2C598%20to%2042%2C381.

DadaStephen1:
I live in the UK, and[i] I can tell you that Indians and Bangladeshis bring more dependants than Nigerians.
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A Nigerian man goes to UK with his wife and kids, that’s all. Worst case, his wife puts to bed, they bring the mother in law for a short stay.

An Indian travels to the UK with his wife only.

Then in few months, he has brought in 5 relatives of his, then his wife too, then those ones bring more and more and more and more.

A Nigerian will come to school and then look for a job permit to remain with his family.
An Indian will get a business or self employed visa and bring in numerous Indians to sell in his corner shop or help with his “small business”.

That’s why Indians are all over the place! Na dem be PM, na dem be Mayor for London, na dem be Taxi Driver, na dem be everything.


UberEats in UK is owned by an Indian 🇮🇳 and na only Indians dem dey employ. Dem don take over 3 Network, dem don dey take over MacDonalds.

These guys are the criminals in the UK, yet they have a very strong community and they’re taking over the country gradually.

This is same with Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans.

But Nigeria wey no reach anything, na our voice dem go dey hear for everywhere. Very loud and very overconfident in rubbish.

Nigerians back home for Nairaland and Facebook go dey cap nonsense on top half information wey dem get about people wey dey UK, the ones wey go get chance manage enter the UK like Emdee Tiamiyu go cast everybody and everything just for 2mins of fame.

Na why dem dey put eye and mouth for Nigerians be dat.

Many Nigerians have really abused the care worker scheme in the UK. Some are charging up to £10k to sponsor their fellow Nigerians and then they don’t have work for them or give them 10 hours a week, meanwhile the poor person is unable to legally work for another organization because they are tied by work permit.

And they have sold property, borrowed money etc. to fund this. By the time they pay £10k for certificate of sponsorship, pay for visa fees and NHS fees they are probably spending over £20k to end up with a shitty job with shitty wages or worse not even enough hours to pay basic bills.

On top of all that the pay for care workers is rubbish especially when you consider the work involved.

I know many Nigerians who went to UK on student visa for masters, MBA etc. who can only get care work after graduation because most companies are not willing to sponsor for work visa and there is a shortage of care workers.

Not really, that low amount is still a higher proportion of the average income in Nigeria than the other countries who pay a higher amount.

mannobi:
Somethings work for our advantage in this country.

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You claim you didn’t know the homeless person was there and then also say you there the can at the person for fun. Which is it?

Sounds like a very mean thing to do.

DyingFetus:
There was a homeless yt person sifting through trash in my condo allyway. I didn't know they were yt, it was late at night and they were shadowed by a dumpster. I threw a tin can at them for fun and got caught on security footage. I'm getting charged and it looks like I'll be kicked out of uni, I'm getting cancelled despite the fact that I didn't know he was yt.

What do I do?

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You’re not ashamed to write this rubbish? You claim their university system is morning with you yet you can’t sort out your own university system lol.

CoronaVirusPro:
About 3.5% of their own population make it to university!

If foreigners don't come-in, their university system will be roasted!

How many of their citizens can even afford university fees....

That’s actually not true. The average international student is younger, single and funded by their parents and family. The average Nigerian international student especially over the last few years is in his or her 40s, married with children and coming as a student solely with the goal of migrating not actually studying. That’s why you see many Nigerians flocking to lower ranked universities which are cheaper and easier to get admission.

Many of these universities are just money mills and don’t give a shit about ensuring the students get good jobs or get a good education.

If they take the option away Nigerians will still go, we are so desperate and hooked that we will still go.

Nbote:
Na them go still lose. It's a no-brainer. Most people from Asia and Africa who go to study in the UK and Europe do so because it allows them come with their dependants. Take that option away and there won't be any need to come. Apart from Oxford and a few other prestigious universities, why would anyone want to pay high fees to the UK when you still won't be allowed to work with your degree without meeting some annpying requirements

That’s a different policy change. This is focused on curbing the growing number of international students who bring dependents with them and is now in effect.

The one you’re referring to aims at curbing the number of dependents coming with people on work visas eg care workers nurses etc and also requires higher salary thresholds, it will come into effect in the spring.

freemonts87:
Yeah. this was on the news some months back.
Turns out you need to make a certain amount of money now before you can apply to bring your dependents over.

That's not true. If the parents are US military personnel posted abroad yes they will be citizens, but you can't just go visit someone on the base abroad and give birth and think your child will become a US citizen.

Same with embassy.

ObiaboAdoka:
Dat of d military base yes but d oda I don't know.

Misinformation in this thread.

The ETA is similar to the ESTA in the US and will be for countries who don’t need a visa. Rather than will get the ETA which is quicker and cheaper compared to a visa.

Some citizens from countries that qualify for the ETA may require a visa if they are ineligible eg have a criminal record etc.

Nigerians will continue to need a visa and will not require an ETA.

The EU is also working on a similar travel authorization as well.

meum:
What’s the essence of a visa if one still needs an ETA? Make una sidon for una country na wetin dem dey try talk😁

Hahaha the Ifa stuff is just to make money from
His viewers, he charges people to consult Ifa for them.

The guy is a joker, he has been preparing to relocate to Nigeria for ages now.

KarinaSlim:
This yoruba man that worships Idol. Nonsense.

The day I went to his channel and saw him paying homeage to his idols, I stopped regarding him as somebody.

When UK opened their doors to teachers from Africa including Nigeria to apply for QTS to come and work in UK, this man went and posted a video discouraging struggling Nigerian Teachers not to take the opportunity saying that the 26,000 Pounds per year salary UK is offering is rubbish.

This man has forgotten that some Graduate Teachers in Nigeria are collecting N25K per month as salary.

Yet some people doing Care in that same UK are collecting 10 Pounds per hour. Minimum wage.

Tell me, is that not Witchcraft behavior.

He actually sat down abroad to make such video.

The Baba na Witch.

And you believe that unemployment in Nigeria is really 4% You must be gullible.

That have probably done some statistical magic like exclude people who have been out of work for over 3 months lol

FreeStuffsNG:
This is truly heart warming.

She’s pregnant

descartes400:
Serena Williams looks scary as shit! one would think she's a transgender.

That’s the mentality that holds Africa behind. If they had the same attitude to airplanes after the first crash can you imagine how far behind we will be today?

You learn and find ways to make things better from disasters not just throw your hands up and give up.

Treadway:
centuries later, man hasn't learned anything. I laff in titanic.

Go back and read your first post and tell me how any of it makes sense. You install an app and customer service told they are Tesla or that you should invest in Tesla? Again how does that make sense?

coputa:
most Whatsapp group chats were not created by companies but group of concern investors to exchange ideas.

Where in my post did I say they are begging for investors.

Try harder.

Haha try nah, how will Tesla a company listed on the NASDAQ exchange be begging you to invest in WhatsApp?

Do companies listed on Nigeria Stock Exchange like MTN beg you to invest on WhatsApp

coputa:
Yes,i have been following them,in their whatsapp group chat and i discovered that it's a scam,it has crashed already.

I'm no fan of Tinubu but Buhari was literally sleeping for the first 6 months. How long did t take him to even form his cabinet? lol

LagosFirstSon:
Initial gragra as usual . Buhari did more than this at the begining of his first Time.

But seriously, Bola Tinubu is too ugly , president no fit am.

Hahahahaha ok

https://www.nairaland.com/7697746/125-persons-killed-attack-mangu

Tolumiide:
Nigeria is one of the most safest place on earth

Got you, yes I agree the 2025 seems very optimistic and it's possible it may not even be fully realized during our lifetime but Elon and his team will definitely make lots of progress that can be built on.

ItooWorWor:


Spacex mars landing yes, 2025 certainly won't be the date, maybe 2030. But building an hotel on Mars is another thing entirely. First how safe is mars? and other What if? I'm sure Elon is joking.

Please stop calling that dog a Great Dane.

Greatdober:
I want to sell my Great Dane. Not Pedigree or full breed but close to..
Reason for sale: No one to take care of it anymore.
Location is Enugu.
I'll prefer buyer to be in Enugu for easy transportation.
Age is 4 years.
Temperament is average.
Aggressive after it adapts to new environment.
Quite tall and have fathered some pups in the link below

https://www.nairaland.com/7091193/great-dane-doberman-cross-result#112178879

Price is 40k.. negotiable
Call 0*9*1*3*5*2*7*3*7*0*2.

I'll take more photos based on request