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 Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 11:01am On Mar 21, 2013*. Modified: 11:17am On Mar 21, 2013 |
Eben 2: @udatso,Brother, it seems you are no more too comfortable with this and at such, I would not keep bringing up more stuffs. But what I would advice sir is that a book of God, shouldn't give us any reason to doubt the crucifixion of christ which every christians' salvation depends on. For a matter that, huge, I think it would be fair for one to have a proper understanding about it. As you have seen, the people who give account of the event that happened are contradicting themselves in som issues. In our social life, the moment something which was assumed to be true shows signs of possibility of not been tru, we examine it to knw the real fact. This even becomes more important when it deals with faith or salvation...at your leisure time, take it upon yourself to study all these verses why those appostles inspired by God, are giving different account of same event. Its never too late to find the truth my dear brother. During the course of this discussions, if I have said anything to offend you or christianity, pleas forgive me as it was never my intention. Once again. Thank you for reasoning with me 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 7:51am On Mar 21, 2013 |
ckkris: Please bear it in mind Sir, that I have nothing to gain in trying to win an argument. I will only state the facts as they are in the Scriptures, both yours and mine.Same here sir, just stating the facts as they are in the scriptures |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 7:49am On Mar 21, 2013 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 8:58pm On Mar 20, 2013 |
1.What did the inscription on Jesus' cross say? John 19:19 19 Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It reads: JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS. Matthew 27:37 37 Above his head they placed the written charge against him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS. Luke 23:38 38 There was a written notice above him, which reads: THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS. Mark 15:26 26 The written notice of the charge against him read: THE KING OF THE JEWS. You know, there was only one cross, and not ten, for Jesus! Yet, the gospels can't even get the inscription quoted correctly. Can you honestly tell me what the exact quote was? Because all four are way off from each others, especially the one in John 19:19. 2.Was there an earthquake when Jesus died or not, and did many of the dead resurrect or not? Matthew 27:51-53 51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people. You would expect that such monumental event be recorded not only all over the New Testament, but also in 100s of books throughout history, since it would've been witnessed by thousands and told by thousands. Yet, not only the gospels of Mark, Luke and John are virtually silent about (no earthquakes and no resurrections of dead bodies), but so are the history books! No testimonies and no recordings of anything of this sort. 3.While on the cross, did Jesus accept the drink or refuse it? And what was the drink?? Like I mentioned above, Christians boast about how detailed their Bible is. Yet, the Bible that they boast about is too confused, too confusing, too erroneous, and too off in its accounts, so much that one can not get an honest and accurate account about any event! So after all, this big book that is called the Bible is no more than a pile of man-made corruption and hoaxes. With this said, let us now examine the following confusing and erroneous hoax about Jesus, the drink, and what drink did he have: Mark 15:23 23 And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not. Matthew 27:48-50 48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. Luke 23:36-38 36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, 37 And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself. 38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS. John 19:29-30 29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. There are lots of errors and contradictions in these verses: 1- We do not know whether the drink was wine or vinegar. If Jesus was offered apple juice, then don't tell me it was orange juice! Vinegar is not wine and a wine is not vinegar! They are not the same. 2- Mark 15:23 directly clashes with John 19:29-30 about whether or not Jesus accepted the drink (whatever that drink was). Did Jesus accept it or did he reject it? We do not know. The accounts are too conflicting. 3- Furthermore, Matthew 27:48-50 and Luke 23:36-38 are not even sure about whether or not Jesus took in the drink or not! Why is this relevant? Because the Christians and their corrupt Bible do not have any solid and clear-cut information about virtually anything! All they have are conflicting accounts and man-made corruptions and speculations. Do you know the answer? Could you honestly tell me what the drink precisely was, and whether or not Jesus Christ accepted that drink? If the key witness to this event are even contradicting themselves, how can we be sure that |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 7:07pm On Mar 20, 2013 |
ckkris: @udatsoIn psalm91, the prophecy says he wil pray and he will be heard, it also says no harm wil befall him? Are these prophecies fulfilled? Also there are also two errors in the fulfillment of this Prophecy: 1. Jesus was never buried (Matthew 27:59-66, Matthew 28 )! He was temporarily placed in a tomb and then his body disappeared after that. But he never ONCE was buried under ground as our dead get buried. 2. Jesus, who was never buried from the first place, was also NEVER BURIED with the wicked and the rich. His tomb was placed in an isolated area as recorded in the gospels. Again, verse 9 says that he was to be buried with both the wicked and the rich. Jesus was buried alone. - In Isaiah 53:10-11, GOD Almighty will prolong Jesus' life and Jesus will live to even see his offspring (his children)! And Christ will see the Light and be satisfied after the suffering of his soul. The suffering of his soul here is referring to the overwhelming fear that Jesus had and the countless cries and Prayers that he made to Allah Almighty to save him. Psalm 91 further speaks clearly on this. Also, Jesus' life was never made long or extended.He only lived for 33 years, so we're told in the gospels, and he certainly never married any woman nor had any child from any woman. Yet, Isaiah 53:10 clearly says that he will live and he will have and see hischildren. Please I want to knw how are all these prophecies fulfilled as we know he never had children, prayed and wasn't heard like I have gvn you the verses, no harm would come to him but it did. My dear brother, we are talkn about salvation here of numerous people in the world believn in a story with so much ambiguity here. In my nxt post I will give you the contradictions in this case of crucifixion |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 6:26pm On Mar 20, 2013 |
ckkris: @udatsoFor the sake of argument let's say u are ryt but I wil com bak to it later, hw about the oda verses ". . . and began to be sorrowful and very depressed. Then saith he unto them, ‘my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death' . . ." "And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matthew 26: 37-39 "And being in an agony, he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat was, as it were, great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luke 22:44 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 3:29pm On Mar 20, 2013*. Modified: 4:31pm On Mar 20, 2013 |
ckkris: Udatso has established a fact: that in Sura 3:45 Jesus is, not only a word or message of God, but also THE CHRIST.Why do u always try to deviate from the topic at hand. If u are a true christian you must believe in evvry word in the bible...I gave you several verses that jesus wasn't crucified and wasn't willing to die for our sins as he was praying to be rescued from death. The fact that you are bringing other verses that he completed the prophecy is a contradiction which would put the authenticity of the book of God in doubt as God can't make a mistake.. u talking about sign, yes and so what..in the quran, there are many signs, all prophets are signs of Allah, the miracles they performed are signs of Allah just like quran 5:3"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land." Y do u limit it to jesus alone? What exactly are u trying to prove by saying he is the sign...is it a unique tittle like masih(messiah)? The funniest part is that u are saying I admit that jesus is christ like I was denying it before. Any muslim who doesn't believe isa(pbuh) is the christ isn't a muslim. For your information, evry knowledgeable christain knows that jesus is also called (almasih) messiah translated christ. But does christ mean one who will die for our sins and be God? Yes, that's christian point of view. That christ meaning the spiritual saviour. But NO in islam. This title is unique to him as he is the only prophet in islam that will save the muslims from antichrist. Islamic tradition holds that Jesus, the son of Mary, was the promised Prophet and Masih (Messiah) sent to the Israelites, and that he will again return to Earth at the end of times and he will defeat Masih ad-Dajjal, the "false Messiah" or Antichrist.. Now I gave u som verses to attend to if jesus is really dies for our sins and you have refused to answer them, I wil keep posting them till you answer. ..all am saying is that he knew he was going to die for our sins, WHY WAS HE PRAYING FOR HELP To BE SAVED FROM DEATH?ISN'T THAT SHOWING HE WASN'T WILLING TO DIE. It is assumed that such a person whom you claim is divine knows his purpose of coming to earth which is to die for your sins. If he knew of this y did he pray begging God to b rescued. Does God pray? JESUS PRAYS FOR RESCUE ". . . and began to be sorrowful and very depressed. Then saith he unto them, ‘my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death' . . ." "And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt." (This is the quality of a good Muslim who submits his will to the will of God). Matthew 26: 37-39 "And being in an agony, he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat was, as it were, great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luke 22:44 He even was sad that he was going to die "elai elai lama sabachtani" lord, lord, why has thou forsaken me.....".mathew 27:46 Please answer these simple questions and stp twisting it here and there. Tank u As for ur isiah 53, I wil attend to it shortly afta u av attended 2 mine |
| Politics › Re: Buhari/okorocha 2015 Posters Out by udatso: 11:12am On Mar 20, 2013 |
Concept: I will start my view on this issue with personal experience & the way I assess Nigeria society. I started work as a fresh graduate with this attitude of getting things done the normal way but I was wrong, things started going badly for me because I did not compromise, a guy very new on a job, you will understand my dilemma. I got the message, sought for advice & I got the way things work around there. 'My Oga at the top' who has been threatening me with sack sensed it that things have changed. Why? I worked on the field dealing with suppliers, let me continue further, my oga knew that smoothness that accompanied my work was because I had compromised because this same journey, he also had passed through. Knowing well that my knowledge of the operation is corrupted, he revealed to me what he has been concealing, I mean his true self. To cut the long story short, we all made money.God bless you for this wonderful speech. |
| Politics › Re: Buhari/okorocha 2015 Posters Out by udatso: 9:55am On Mar 20, 2013 |
WHY THE NOISE TO CRUCIFY BUHARI, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE AT LEAST TELL NIGERIANS WHY WE MUST CRUCIFY GEN. BUHARI The man General Muhammad Buhari has served as a Military Governor, a Petroleum Minister, PTF Chairman and as a Head of state. There is hardly any Retired Military office or civilian that has held as many lucrative offices as he had. Today, General Buhari has no single house in Lagos where he served as a head of state and no single house or plot of land in FCT, yet he stole and has a lot of money. Ordinary commissioners, Ministers, FCT mayors, Senators and house of rep members owns, 2, 3, 4, and more houses in Abuja. Recently, EFCC said some one owns 48 houses in Abuja, yet Buhari has not a single one but he still stole money and has enough money. General Muhammad Buhari was formerly leaving in a rented house in Abuja, but packed his load and went back to his village when his rent was increased because he could not afford the new rent. Yet he stole and has a lot of money. As a former head of state and petroleum minister, he has not single oil block. All other heads of states and presidents owns multiple oil blocks in Nigeria, but Buhari owns none, yet he stole and has a lot of money. General Buhari has all his children go through and still going through schools in Nigerian public universities till today. Yet he stole huge money and has a lot of money. Unfortunately, General Buhari lost one of his daughters after she gave birth to a child in a general hospital in Kaduna, when German hospitals and Indian Hospitals has become the 37th and 38th state of Nigerian politicians. Yet he stole money and has a lot of money. General Buhari was ones in Abuja with a rickety jeep and when he arrived from Kaduna some mechanics had to come to the CPC headquarters to do some little work on the engine of the jeep so it could be able to take the General back to Kaduna. Honestly, It was a shame seeing that. Yet he stole a lot of money and he has a lot of money. During the presidential election, General Buharis house in his home was dilapidating and a Good Samaritan employed people to come and renovate the house without the consent of General Buhari and he even frowned at it when he saw people come to renovate his house without his consent. Yet he stole a lot of money and has a lot of money. Personally, General Buhari has not given me a dime, even a transport fare and I have not seen him give anyone, please if he has given you prove me wrong. Yet, he stole and he has so much money. At the inauguration of the merger committee by general Buhari. No food was served, not even a drink or water. People at the function said they were so hungry that they have to look for where to eat after the inauguration. Yet he stole and has so much money. I have heard people say he stole 52 big suit cases filled with dollars or pounds and that he stole 2.5 Billion dollars, even though there is not evidence and subsequent governments has investigated the issues and confirmed it was baseless and lack a single truth. But I still think those 52 big suit cases filled with pounds sterling?s and 2.5 Billion dollars are still in his bedroom and the only conclusion I have is that he is keeping them to give to his late grand fathers when he finally goes to meet them in death. Don?t you think I am right? Obasanjo, was worth less than #1Million before he became president in 1999, I remember Pastor Bakare said that he helped to pay OBJs children?s school fees when he was in prison, but today, OBJ has mansions, oil blocks and billions with his mega farm. Buhari has none yet he stole money. It is on record that Haroun chairman of the probe panel by Obasanjo to investigate PTF came out and said PTF account was audited every year while Federal Government account was not audited in 36years. Buhari told Obasanjo to publish the report of the panel, but Obasanjo could not publish it because it was a certificate of honor for Buhari. If that Dr. Haroun?s report had any page in it that indicted Buhari, Obasanjo would have used that to disqualify Buhari from contesting against him in 2003. We did not also forget that even the dreaded Ribadu led EFCC gave Buhari a clean bill of health amongst all the candidates that contested the 2007 general election Abacha stole so much and even when he is dead, the family is still not able to exhaust his loot and are living big. Buharis family is living with almost nothing, yet he stole a lot of money. IBB was one of those buying PHCN during the privatization by the federal government. Atiku and co owns private Universities, OBJ owns one, and Minister of Niger Delta owns 5 houses and may be more in Abuja and many in Dubai. Almost all former heads of states and presidents owns oil block and refineries abroad. Diezanni Allison the minister of petroleum has his children flying in private jets abroad and living expensive lives while their mother is still here flying private jets and you know how many houses she has got, but Buhari has none, yet they told us he stole so much, 52 big suit cases filled with pounds sterling?s and 2.5 Billion Dollars still inside his bedroom and he has not spent a dime out of it. Then he must be keeping it for his late grand parents who he will give when he finally gets old and joins them in death. Please ask this government or anyone to identify any house in Abuja, Lagos or any other place in Nigeria and the whole world owned by Buhari apart from his home in Kaduna and his fathers house so I will take over them immediately or find out any of his children schooling abroad or any oil block that he owns or any expensive car that he drives so I will be able to take over them. I will be very generous to share them with you. I am just using my tongue to count my teeth now. I hope you will still do the same thing God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria. 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: Buhari/okorocha 2015 Posters Out by udatso: 9:50am On Mar 20, 2013 |
Why this so much hatred for Buhari? Its so annoying seeing how we can change our view due to sentiments. When GEJ was voted in, everyone was saying, yes,we need young men as presidents. We need people who have tasted poverty to lead us cause they know how it feels to b poor...we no longer need old men who have held 9ja ransom and moving us backward? After GEJ gave us the first blow with oil subsidies stuff, we started shouting, he has no regards for the poor. After the way he has being handling corruption and security cases, we now call him clueless and inexperience. Some of this once GeJ lovers call him all sorts of names like retardeen, slowpoke..etc. Recently, a news was posted talking about GEJ's intention to increase fuel price and almost all the comments there are all attacking him, some calling him names....even with all these, we wouldn't open our eyes and vote for a trusted and tested person who can lead us to ur goals. Som also keep talking about Buhari being old, how does that affect his legacy and leadership? Why are you asking for young men as presidents even after seeing how our oga jona has been misbehaving nationally and internationally? I know evryone is entitled to his opinion but please let's not allow our sentiments cloud our judgement hence make decisions that we wil regret.I don't care about who leads 9jeria but what I do care abt is he is tested and trusted and can b trusted. Look out how GEJ handle nuhu's report on corruption in the oil sector, do u think, in buhari's administration, those guys responsible wd be smiling nw. Even doyin okukpe acknowledged buhari as a sincere and honest man but foolishly said that that's not the typ of person we need in 9ja. If that's not the type we need, who do we need? Committee forming presidents after each events. Am surre a special committee has been set to investigate d bomb blast at kano recently. Personally, I think Voting for GEJ or pdp is the worst mistake anybody would eva make in 2015. Who knows, maybe a committe has been set up to monitor my comments and reply to oga J in 2 weeks. Let's be truthful to ourselves please 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 12:11am On Mar 20, 2013*. Modified: 7:23am On Mar 20, 2013 |
ckkris: As stated above, the Koran Sura 3:45 agrees that Jesus is THE WORD OF GOD. Now,if your Scripture and mine both declare Jesus as THE WORD OF GOD, it seems a neutral starting point for more discussions.JESUS (PBUH) "IS A WORD FROM ALLAH" NOT "THE WORD OF ALLAH" The Qur’an mentions in Surah Ali ‘Imran Chapter 3 verse 45 "Behold! The angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus. The son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those Nearest to Allah. [Al-Qur’an 3:45] Jesus (pbuh) is referred in the Qur’an as a word from Allah and not as ‘the word of Allah’. "A word" of Allah means a message of Allah. If a person is referred to as "a word" from Allah, it means that he is a Messenger or a Prophet of Allah. 2. THE TITLE OF A PROPHET (PBUH) DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT EXCLUSIVELY BELONGS TO THAT PROPHET (PBUH) Different titles are given to different prophets (pbut). Whenever a title is given to a prophet (pbuh), it does not necessarily mean that the other prophets do not have the same characteristic or quality. For e.g. Prophet Abraham (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Khaleelullah, a friend of Allah. This does not indicate that all the other Prophets (pbuh) were not the friends of Allah. Prophet Moses (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Kaleemullah, indicating that God spoke to him. This does not mean that God did not speak to others. Similarly when Jesus (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Kalimatullah, "a word from Allah", it does not mean that the other Prophets were not "the word," of Allah. 3. JOHN THE BAPTIST (PBUH) IS ALSO CALLED "A WORD" FROM ALLAH Yahya (pbuh) i.e. John the Baptist (pbuh) is also referred to in the Qur’an as Kalimatullah so its not unique to him alone like I saidi.e. a word from Allah in Surah Ali ‘Imran, Chapter 3, verses 38-39 "There did Zakariya Pray to his Lord, saying: "O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer! While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: "Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a Prophet – of the (goodly) company of the righteous." [Al-Qur’an 3:39] please remember the difference again, its kalimatu minhu (word from Him) and not kalimat uhu(His word) as stated in the verse you quoted. So now you see my brother" there is difference between six and half a dozen not to talk of "word of God" and "word from God"..please read the translation again and honestly tell me its word of God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 5:17pm On Mar 19, 2013 |
ckkris: These can be discussed one by one/According to the bible, the WORD is GOD. Are you by chance asking me to become a christian just to reply me? Is that what your pastor(s) taught you? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 3:39pm On Mar 19, 2013 |
ckkris: Thank you Sir,What's this bla bla u are talking..mayb u didn't read my post earlier..all am saying is that he knew he was going to die for our sins, why was he praying for help? Isn't that showing he wasn't willing? Let me repost it again It is assumed that such a person whom you claim is divine knows his purpose of coming to earth which is to die for your sins. If he knew of this y did he pray begging God to b rescued. Does God pray? JESUS PRAYS FOR RESCUE ". . . and began to be sorrowful and very depressed. Then saith he unto them, ‘my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death' . . ." "And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt." (This is the quality of a good Muslim who submits his will to the will of God). Matthew 26: 37-39 "And being in an agony, he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat was, as it were, great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luke 22:44 He even was sad that he was going to die "elai elai lama sabachtani" lord, lord, why has thou forsaken me.....".mathew 27:46 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 3:34pm On Mar 19, 2013 |
ckkris: This is interesting. Its me that will answer you, if nairaland will not hide my posts. Please bring on all you know that can point out inconsistencies in christianity. You wil also be ready to receive just half as much as you give.How will the world end.’ Hypothesis - Some may be right, some may be wrong. But either the world will perish or the world will live forever. Both cannot take place simultaneously. But this is exactly what the Bible says. It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Hebrews1:10- 11, and the book of Psalms102:25 and 26, that…‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they will perish.’ Exactly opposite is mentioned in Ecclesiastics1:4, and the book of Psalms78:69, that… ‘The earth will abide forever. - Both cannot take place. The world cannot abide forever as well as perish. If a book of God can contradict itself like this, how can you be sure of all other verses? 2.There were 245 singing men and women.’ Were they 200 - or were they 245 singing men and women? Context is the same - A mathematical contradiction. It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings24: 8, that…‘Jehoiachin was 18 years old, when he began to reign Jerusalem, and he reigned for 3 months and 10 days. 2nd Chronicles36: 9, says that…‘Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign and he reigned for 3 months, 10 days. Was Jehoiachin 18 years when he began to reign, or was he 8 years old? Did he reign for 3 months, or did he reign for 3 months 10 days? 3.it is mentioned in the 1st Kings7:26, that…‘In Solomon’s temple, in his molten sea, he had 2000 baths. In 2nd Chronicles 4: 5, he had 3000 baths. Did he have 2000 baths or did he have 3000 baths? –clear cut mathematical contradiction. If these bible writers were inspired by God, are you telling me God doesn't know maths(na'uzubillah) 4 it is mentioned in the 1stKings 15:33, that… ‘Basha, he died in the 26th year of reign of Asa.’ And 2nd Chronicles16:1, says that…‘Basha invaded Judah in the 36th years of the reign of Asa.’ How can Basha invade 10 years after his death? - everybody knows this is not possible... I have more countless of similar clear cut contradictions like this but I wait for your reply before I add more |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 2:40pm On Mar 19, 2013 |
ckkris: Please kindly cite the Scripture verse, 'about why has thou forsaken me'. I want to respond to that VERY IMPORTANT SCRIPTURE.Mathew 27:46..waiting for your reply soonest |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 6:09pm On Mar 18, 2013 |
wazobia_for_u: I suggest UDATSO and JMOORE to go and continue here |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where In The Bible Did Jesus Mentioned He Is God by udatso: 5:47pm On Mar 18, 2013 |
enilove: If your fathers name is "Yakubu Olajuwon". And the saw name is "Olajuwon",are you not "Olajuwon" also?If your own name is Taiwo,people will call you "Taiwo Olajuwon".You can be refered to ,anywhere as "Olajuwon".Not only do you answer your fathers name,you also inherit his blood and genes too.The DNA test can be conducted to verify if truly you are the son of Yakubu Olajuwon.Hahaahahahah...very funny post...son of lion is a lion bla bla bla.......anyway, I would love to prove u wrong abt that logically but I wd rada prove u wrong in other points u raised from ur bible. Its true God is not a confusionist like u said trying to say that both books can't b from God if they say different things...mayb u are evn going too far comparing the bible and the qur'an my dear. We know that bible is a compilation of different books written by men who were inspired by God. I want to list some verses down and I want you to tell me hu inspired these men? if we read, in Ezra 2: 65, it says…There were 200 singing men and women - Nehemiah7: 67…‘There were 245 singing men and women.’ Were they 200 - or were they 245 singing men and women? Context is the same - A mathematical contradiction. It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings 24: 8, that…‘Jehoiachin was 18 years old, when he began to reign Jerusalem, and he reigned for 3 months and 10 days. 2nd Chronicles36:9, says that…‘Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign and he reigned for 3 months, 10 days. Was Jehoiachin 18 years when he began to reign, or was he 8 years old? Did he reign for 3 months, or did he reign for 3 months 10 days? it also mentioned in the 1st Kings 7:26, that…‘In Solomon’s temple, in his molten sea, he had 2000 baths. In 2nd Chronicles 4: 5, he had 3000 baths. Did he have 2000 baths or did he have 3000 baths? –furthermore it is mentioned in the First Kings15: 33, that… ‘Basha, he died in the 26th year of reign of Asa.’ And 2nd Chronicles16: 1, says that…‘Basha invaded Judah in the 36th years of the reign of Asa.’ How can Basha invade 10 years after his death? - ...my brother. Handle the contradictions and confussions in the bible first before you try to compare it with the holy qur'an |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 4:06pm On Mar 18, 2013 |
donroxy: U go finish dem for here oooo.....Na bible u dey cruise like dis....Nna mehn,Na u be d original pastor...twale sir...!!!Boss, no b small thing ooo...I jst learnt little abt comparative religion...if dem meet my oga ehn, e no go easy ooo... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 2:31pm On Mar 18, 2013 |
jmoore: You understanding is poor hence your conclusion.Talking about him being obedient till the point of death... It is assumed that such a person whom you claim is divine knows his purpose of coming to earth which is to die for your sins. If he knew of this y did he pray begging God to b rescued. Does God pray? JESUS PRAYS FOR RESCUE ". . . and began to be sorrowful and very depressed. Then saith he unto them, ‘my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death' . . ." "And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt." (This is the quality of a good Muslim who submits his will to the will of God). Matthew 26: 37-39 "And being in an agony, he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat was, as it were, great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luke 22:44 He even was sad that he was going to die "elai elai lama sabachtani" lord, lord, why has thou forsaken me....."...u need real bible study my brother |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 1:54pm On Mar 18, 2013 |
jmoore: You understanding is low hence your conclusion.Am so glad with your replies. Am sure you wil agree with me that if one is considered God, it doesn't mean he is god. Som people worshiped inanimate objects, animals. Does that mean they worshiip God? If he was, why did he deny being called Good? 1.We all know that a God is independent but jesus was dependent: I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." Mathew 12:28] "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." Luke 11:20 "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me., John 5:30 2.Nothing is greater than God yet take a look at "My Father is greater than I."John 14:28 "My Father is greater than all."John 10:29. If his father is greater than him, he definitely can't be God. 3.In ur points u gave me a verse showing that he knows everything, but in this verse am about to give you, u wil c that he wasn't All-knowing Mark 13:32 “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.” Since Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.. 4. U said according to the bible that he was called "son of God" now, let me give u verses showing son of God title is not limited to jesus(pbuh) in Isaiah 62:8 refers to the entire house of Israel as being, ‘Sons of God’. Romans 8:14 Paul tells us about those who are led by the spirit: “because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.” So y do av to just pick out jesus as the only son of God? You pointed out yourself that "5-Phil. 2:6-8, "...although He [Jesus] existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-....." If he didn't regard equality with God, y do u regard him as such?..all the verses you have being quoting tells me that, he was worshiped, he was called God, he was called son of god which I av discredited that he is not the only son of God, he was worshiped doesn't mean he is worthy of worship, he was called God even when he denied bn God.. I hav so many things to say to u nw bt until u reply me, I wd know if ur understandn is competent wt my explanation or not. Or mayb my understandn is low 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 11:37am On Mar 18, 2013 |
frosbel: I am not a member of any religion.Yeh, jst like abraham, moses, jacob, joseph and so many other prophets were the way, the truth and life at their periods |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 11:33am On Mar 18, 2013 |
ifihearam: Well just saying sha and am not talking to anyone ooooYou can say that about christians too...a friend of mine who I preached islam to accepted islam and I swear to u by Allah that the family disowend her until when she couldn't stand the suffer of facing life with so much financial challenges alone and at her age, she decided to revert b4 d parents took pity. Stop bn 1sided |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 11:29am On Mar 18, 2013*. Modified: 3:37pm On Mar 18, 2013 |
okechukwu2013: I put it to you that while you were professing christianity you never practiced it. As a passive member may be you found yourself in the midts of fanatical musilems who brainwashed you to accept their faith. If you are conversant with theological history you find out that a lot of musilems who changed to christianity are more zealous and committed in the christian faith because to them they have finally seen the light. I seriously pity someone like you who was born into a real relegion only for you to abandon it and is now chasing shadows.I pray that your lost soul be retrieved before it is too lateIf you are a christian...I tell you this, seek the trruth too and it shall set u free..islam all the way.... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 11:26am On Mar 18, 2013 |
jmoore: smh. Koran copied the bible and turned it upside down.Let's assume you are ryt. If that's true , why are there so many errors, contradictions, pornography(am sowi 2 say but is there), interpolations, absurdities, scientific errors, in the bible( book Of God).why is the world "bible" not in the bible....what gives som guys the write to revise the book of God like my engineering maths k.a strouid. ? Shine ur eyes and seek the lyt . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 11:19am On Mar 18, 2013 |
idnoble135: Ur comment dsnt change who Jesus is. He is Lord, He is GodHis comments might not but would you disagree with the bible if it says he is not God? Try these points: Mark 6:10 “Why do you call me good?” answered Jesus, “No-one is good but GOD ALONE!” Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but rather to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until Heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of the pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until all things are accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever keeps the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.” Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” Feel free to ask your pastor about them. I have more points for you |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 11:09am On Mar 18, 2013 |
jmoore: Ignorance made you to leave. You know nothing about christianity! Jesus is GodIf jesus is god, why is it so difficult to find this in the bible...take a look at these: 1. Bible Says that God is not Man The Bible says: Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man…” Hosea 11:9 “...For I am God, and not man...” Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible: John 8:40 “…a man who has told you the truth…” Acts 2:22 “Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.” Acts 17:31 “He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed” 1. Tim. 2:5 “…the man Christ Jesus.” God is not a man, but Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was a man, therefore, Jesus was not God. 2. The Bible Says that God Is Not a Son of Man Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man...nor a son of man…” The Bible often calls Jesus “a son of man” or “the son of man.” Matthew 12:40 “…so will the son of man be…” Matthew 16:27 “For the son of man is going to come…” Matthew 28 “…until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.” Mark 2:10 “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority…” John 5:27 “…because He is the son of man.” In the Hebrew Scriptures, the “son of man” is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6; 2:8; 3:1; 3:3; 3:4; 3:10; 3:17; 3:25). Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called “the son of man”, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called “son of man” specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a “son of man” according to the Bible. 3. The Bible Says that Jesus Denied He is God Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 10:58am On Mar 18, 2013 |
So-brit:Well it seems u haven't read the bible much. Anyway take a look at these: Jesus Only For Jews: Matthew 15:22-24 "And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel". Matthew 10:5-6 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". Note: 1.) Jesus refuses to attend to a gentile because he was only sent to the Children of Israel. 2.) He warns his disciples not to preach to gentiles. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 10:36am On Mar 18, 2013 |
Icecomrade: its obvious 4rm ur comment that u were never a christain or never had the priviledge to open ur bible 4 once. Back in school days, studying islamic family law n crime exposed me to the study of islamism. Still keeping my Quran. Keep quiet n stop writing what u dont know. Try and engage me in comparism n extent of inconsistencies, u ll probably convert hindusim this time. Gullible mindPls engage me...av been looking for ur type..inshaAllah I will not only tackle ur points properly, I wil also point out inconsistencies in your christianity too...try me |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 10:27am On Mar 18, 2013 |
jammyng: if you have read the Koran well, u won't even say this. The Koran didn't call Jesus a prophet but a 'Messiah'. In other words, a saviour!A messiah and messenger of God. Surah Nisa, Chapter No. 4 Verse No.157 which says: "They said, the Jews (in boast)That we killed Christ, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah,They did not kill him, Neither did they crucify him, but it was made to appear so, And all those who differ therein are full of doubts, with a no certain knowledge,with only conjectures to follow, for a surety, they killed him not”.... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 10:14am On Mar 18, 2013 |
Ruth Isaac: first of all may God forgive you and deliver your soul, whosoever that does not belive in Trinity does not know or belives in Jesus @ all. No one is even arguing weather he is a christain or a Muslim, if he was a Muslim, all muslims would have had a soft heart, bcause i cant even find one single character and teaching of Jesus in Islamic, so also i cant find any characteristics of Islamic in what Jesus has tought us. All we know is that Jesus christ is the son of God n remain the son of God STAMP and SEAL since from the days of all the Oga's @ the Top.A. Abstaining from prohibited food Al-Qur'an 5:5 Al-Qur'an 2:173, 5:3, 6:145, 16:115 (i) Dead meat Leviticus 17:15 Deuteronomy 14:21 (ii) Blood Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:14, Deuteronomy 12:16, I Samuel 14:33, Acts 15:29 (iii) Pork is prohibited Leviticus 11:7-8 Deuteronomy 14:8 Isaiah 65:2-5 (vi) Food on which names beside Allah have been invoked Acts 15:29; Revelation 2:14 I have many more teachings of islam in the bible...I can gv u more if these are not enough |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Would Make You Change Your Religion? by udatso: 10:05am On Mar 18, 2013 |
Ruth Isaac: first of all may God forgive you and deliver your soul, whosoever that does not belive in Trinity does not know or belives in Jesus @ all. No one is even arguing weather he is a christain or a Muslim, if he was a Muslim, all muslims would have had a soft heart, bcause i cant even find one single character and teaching of Jesus in Islamic, so also i cant find any characteristics of Islamic in what Jesus has tought us. All we know is that Jesus christ is the son of God n remain the son of God STAMP and SEAL since from the days of all the Oga's @ the Top.I dare you to show me an unequivocal/ambiguos verse in the bible where he claimed divinity. The most common phrase used in the bible is "son of man". As for ur trinity stuff, that verse in kjv, that speaks about trinity in the bible was removed from the RSV by 32 christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 coperating denominations....if that verse is now removed, what's your trinity based on...check the whole bible, u wnt find the word"trinity" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pope Francis: Angel-shaped Cloud Appears After His Announcement by udatso: 8:23pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Am so so mad. What's wrong with you guys that u can no longer think well again? If a news about rape is posted, u start hearing " end time is near" "give ur life to christ" most you guys take every topic as an avenue for preaching your faith? The annoying path is that most of these guys who keep shouting, jesus, christ, God, don't even know much about him. Some behave like saints when they are really satan in human form. Like the saying goes" empty vessels make more noise" Let me ask those that believe in this story this : who has seen angel before? How can u tell if its like an angel? B4 u know it, another person wd post a pic of a cloud that appears to b a human head with horns and dark in complexion and people will shout "devil/satan" "end time is near". If hunger makes you to eat grass, yet don't forget you are stil human for if a goat eats pudding, a goat it remains. I think its high time we start behaving like humans. 1 Like |
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