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IslamRe: RE What Does The Koran Says About Jesus And The Bible by udatso: 12:42am On Jul 30, 2013
U said they were inspired by the spirit of God to write...even if they were inspired, sometimes they wrote what they thought....Sometimes i wonder if you guys intentionally ignore certain verses in the bible like 1 cor 7v25 v12, galatians 5:2 ...lookup these verses and you will see clearly that paul is giving his opinion which might be wrong or right cause he noted it wasnt of God's....infact in 2cor 11:17 NRSV, paul says" What I am saying in
regard to this boastful
confidence, I am saying not
with the Lord’s authority,
but as a fool".....so y do you guys still believe every word including the letters sent by mr A to B in the bible to be word of God? Y?
IslamRe: RE What Does The Koran Says About Jesus And The Bible by udatso: 11:44pm On Jul 29, 2013
You also made a statement about waraqa teaching the prophet the quran..lets analyse this with a simple logic
Muhummad’s (pbuh) contacts with the jewish and christian scholars were very limited. The most prominent christian known to him was an old blind man called
waraqa ibn-naufal who was a relative of the prophet’s first wife khadijah (r.a.). Although of arab descent, he was a convert to
christianity and was very well versed with the new testament. The prophet only met him twice, first when waraqa was
worshipping at the kaaba (before the prophetic mission) and he kissed the prophet’s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the prophet
went to meet waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years
later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that waraqa was the source of the contents of the qur’an.
IslamRe: RE What Does The Koran Says About Jesus And The Bible by udatso: 11:37pm On Jul 29, 2013
i also noticed that you do not know the difference between standardisation of the quran and compilation of the quran..standardisation was done by usman (ra) while compilation by abubakar (ra)
IslamRe: RE What Does The Koran Says About Jesus And The Bible by udatso: 11:32pm On Jul 29, 2013
About the quran...it was written during the lifetime of prophet muhammad(pbuh)..i dare you to bring your proof that it wasnt written during his lifetime.
It was authenticated and written under his personal supervision. Now lets examine the
roots of the myth which says that Usman (r.a.) had the Qur'an authenticated.
1. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself supervised and authenticated the written texts of the Qur’an

Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (R.A. - Radhi Allahu Taala Anhu)- May Allah be pleased with him who would
also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he
would reconfirm and recheck it himself.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi(unlettered)
who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would
repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they
had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and
have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the
portions of the Qur'an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur'an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).

2. Order and sequence of Qur’an divinely inspired

The complete Qur'an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as
and when it was required. The Qur'an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order
and sequence of the Qur'an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet
by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after
which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.
Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur'an that had been revealed, including the
order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhaan, before
the demise of the Prophet, the Qur'an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice.
It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur'an was preserved and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in
the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.
IslamRe: RE What Does The Koran Says About Jesus And The Bible by udatso: 10:14pm On Jul 29, 2013
dear eben, i will like to reply your post quote by quote but my browser is misbehaving and am not with my phone...so am going to reply you based on what i can summarise from your posts.....1 you pointed out that holy spirit is the comforter, and am going to prove to you why holy spirit isnt the comforter..1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever." replace the comforter in the verse above with holy spirit and you will be saying that tthere is more than 1 Holy spirit since ANOTHER was used. So how many holy spirits do we have?
Christianity EtcRe: A Testimony Of A Christain Convert by udatso: 6:54am On Jul 28, 2013
i do realise some muslims do convert to christianity as lame as the excuse could be but this particular story is far from auuthentic...whats the source? Isnt it strange tha one who was once a muslim spelled muhammad as mohammad?
Christianity EtcRe: The Religious Misconception About The Proposed child Marriage Bill In Nigeria. by udatso: 8:09am On Jul 27, 2013
may Allah rewaed you abundantly for this wonderful speech
IslamRe: Explanations Wanted!!! by udatso: 6:25pm On Jul 26, 2013
golpen: You have really tried jare my brother...what I've been able to deduce is that this man comes to NL/islam section when his grand kids have gone on holidays, so he's mostly less busy, looking for what to do.

May Allah please perfect your deen for you and increase you in knowledge....
ameen brother..may Allah reward u abundantly and grant u jannah for ur jihad...ramadan kareem
IslamRe: Explanations Wanted!!! by udatso: 5:40pm On Jul 26, 2013
@truthman2012. When i posted this, i didnt do it for you cause i know you would never understtand..i posted it for others who would come here thinkng you have a point. And also you have a habit of creating other threads either in christianity or other sections informing others who might not know of this thread how you defeated the muslims and they couldnt come up with replies..by Allah who created me, i can reply to your rebuttals one by one but where does it lead to..? It leads to further arguments and arguments and arguments and am tired of arguing with someone who finds it difficult/ to understand 1+ 1 = 2. What am stil not sure of is IF YO CONSCIOUSLY REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND THESE EXPLANATIONS OR UNCONSCIOUSLY REFUTE THEM....i dont even know what to think of you anymore....may Allah guide you to the right path
IslamRe: Explanations Wanted!!! by udatso: 5:23pm On Jul 26, 2013
truthman2012: I cannot download. Why not copy and paste it here.
i rili dnt knw how to do that but let me try
IslamRe: Explanations Wanted!!! by udatso: 3:33pm On Jul 26, 2013
For more info pls download thhis book and read from page 31 to 34 www.muslimsunnah.com/download/commonquestions_3rded.pdf
IslamRe: Explanations Wanted!!! by udatso: 3:30pm On Jul 26, 2013
(B) Gradual prohibition of
intoxicants
Another example of such verses is that
related to gradual prohibition of
intoxicants. The first revelation of the
Qur'an to deal with intoxicants was the
following verse from Surah Baqarah:
"They ask thee concerning wine and
gambling say: "In them is great sin, and
some profit, for men; but the sin is
greater than the profit."
[Al-Qur'an 2:219]
The next verse to be revealed regarding
intoxicants is the following verse from
Surah Nisa:
"O ye who believe! approach not prayers
with a mind befogged, until ye can
understand all that ye say" [Al-Qur'an
4:43]
The last verse to be revealed regarding
intoxicants was the following verse from
Surah Al-Maidah:
"O ye who believe! intoxicants and
gambling, (dedication of) stones, and
(divination by) arrows, are an
abomination of Satan's handiwork;
eschew such (abomination), that ye may
prosper."
[Al-Qur'an 5:90]
The Qur'an was revealed over a period of
22½ years. Many reforms that were
brought about in the society were
gradual. This was to facilitate the
adoption of new laws by the people. An
abrupt change in society always leads to
rebellion and anarchy.
The prohibition of intoxicants was
revealed in three stages. The first
revelation only mentioned that in the
intoxicants there is great sin and some
profit but the sin is greater than the
profit. The next revelation prohibited
praying in an intoxicated state,
indicating that one should not consume
intoxicants during the day, since a
Muslim has to pray five times a day. This
verse does state that when one is not
praying at night one is allowed to
consume intoxicants. It means one may
have or one may not have. The Qur'an
does not comment on it. If this verse had
mentioned that one is allowed to have
intoxicants while not praying then there
would have been a contradiction. Allah
(swt) chose words appropriately. Finally
the total prohibition of intoxicants at all
times was revealed in Surah Maidah
chapter 5 verse 90.
This clearly indicates that the three
verses do not contradict each other. Had
they been contradicting, it would not
have been possible to follow all the three
verses simultaneously. Since a Muslim is
expected to follow each and every verse
of the Qur'an, only by following the last
verse i.e. of Surah Maidah (5:90), he
simultaneously agrees and follows the
previous two verses.
Suppose I say that I do not live in Los
Angeles. Later I say that I do not live in
California. Finally I say, I do not live in
the United States of America. This does
not imply that these three statements
contradict each other. Each statement
gives more information than the
previous statement. The third statement
includes the information contained in the
first two statements. Thus, only by
saying that I do not live in the United
States of America, it is obvious, that I
also do not live in California nor New
York. Similarly since consuming alcohol is
totally prohibited, it is obvious that
praying in an intoxicated state is also
prohibited and the information that in
intoxicants is "great sin and some profit
for men; but the sin is greater than
profit" also holds true.

(C). Qur’an does not contain any
contradictions

The theory of abrogation does not imply
that there is a contradiction in the
Qur'an, since it is possible to follow all
the verses of the Qur'an at the same
time.
If there is a contradiction in the Qur'an,
then it cannot be the word of Allah (swt).
"Do they not consider the Qur'an (with
care)? Had it been from other than Allah,
they would surely have found therein
much discrepancy (contradictions)." [Al-
Qur'an 4:82]
IslamRe: Explanations Wanted!!! by udatso: 3:21pm On Jul 26, 2013
Although, I didn't plan to reply you on this but since you are fond of assigning victories to yourself whenever you are ignored when you argue sentimentally, I decided to quickly chip in this so as for people with clear heads to see that the answers you demanded were provided but you ignored them.
Now to the point.
Muslims believe in the theory of abrogation, i.e. they believe that certain earlier verses of the Qur'an were abrogated by verses revealed later. Does this imply that God made a mistake and later on corrected it?
Allah says in the following verse:
"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things?"2:106
A reference to this is also made in
chapter 16 verse 101 of Surah Nahl. The Arabic word mentioned is ayat which means 'signs' or 'verses' and which can also mean 'revelations'. This verse of the Qur'an can be interpreted in two different ways:
a. The revelations that are abrogated are those revelations that were revealed before the Qur'an, for example the Torah, the Zaboor and the Injeel.
Here Allah (swt) says that He does not
cause the previous revelations to be
forgotten but He substitutes them with
something better or similar, indicating
that the Torah, the Zaboor and the Injeel were substituted by the Qur'an.
b. If we consider that the Arabic word
ayat in the above verse refers to the
verses of the Qur'an, and not previous
revelations, then it indicates that none
of the verses of the Qur'an are
abrogated by Allah but substituted with
something better or similar. This means
that certain verses of the Qur'an, that
were revealed earlier were substituted
by verses that were revealed later. I
agree with both the interpretations.
Many Muslims and non-Muslims
misunderstand the secondinterpretation
to mean that some of the earlier verses
of the Qur'an were abrogated and no
longer hold true for us today, as they
have been replaced by the later verses
of the Qur'an or the abrogating verses which is not true...
Let us analyze a few such examples..

(A)Produce a recital like the
Qur'an / 10 Surahs / 1 Surah:

Some pagan Arabs alleged that the
Qur'an was forged by Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh). Allah (swt)
challenges these Arabs in the following
verse of Surah Al-Isra:
"Say: If the whole of Mankind and Jinns
were together to produce the like of thisQur'an they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support."
[Al-Qur'an 17:88]
Later the challenge was made easy in
the following verse of Surah Al-Hud:
"Or they may say, "He forged it." Say,
"Bring ye then ten Surahs forged, like
unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsover ye can, other than Allah, if ye speak the truth!."
[Al-Qur'an 11:13]

It was made easier in the following verse of Surah Yunus:
"Or do they say, "He forged it"? Say:
"Bring then a Surah like unto it, and call
(to your aid) anyone you can, besides
Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!."
[Al-Qur'an 10:38]

Finally in Surah Al-Baqarah, Allah (swt)
further simplified the challenge:
And if ye are in doubt as to what We
have revealed from time to time to Our
servant, then produce a Surah like
thereunto; and call your witnesses or
helpers (if there are any) besides Allah if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot - and of a surety ye cannot 'then fear the Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones' which is prepared for those who reject faith".[Al-Qur'an 2:23-24]
Thus Allah (swt) made the challenges
progressively easier. The progressively
revealed verses of the Qur'an first
challenged the pagans to produce a
book like the Qur'an, then challenged
them to produce ten Surahs (chapters)
like those in the Qur'an, then one Surah
and finally it challenges them to produce one Surah somewhat similar (mimmislihi) to the Qur'anic Surahs. This does not mean that the later verses that were revealed i.e. of Surah Baqarah chapter 2 verses 23 and 24 contradict the earlier three verses. Contradiction implies mentioning two things that cannot be possible simultaneously, or cannot take place simultaneously. The earlier verses of the Qur'an i.e. the abrogated verses are still the word of God and the information contained in it is true to this day. For instance the challenge to produce a recital like the Qur'an stands to this day. Similarly the challenge to produce ten Surahs and one Surah exactly like the Qur'an also holds true and the last challenge of producing one surah somewhat similar to the Qur'an also holds true. It does not contradict the earlier challenges, but this
is the easiest of all the challenges posed by the Qur'an. If the last challenge cannot be fulfilled, the question of anyone fulfilling the other three more difficult challenges does not arise. Suppose I speak about a person that he is so dumb, that he would not be able to pass the 10th standard in school. Later I say that he would not be able to pass the 5th standard, and further say that he would not be able to pass even the 1st standard. Finally I say that he is so dull that he would not even be able to pass K.G. i.e. kindergarten. One has to pass kindergarten before one can be admitted to school. What I am stating is that the person is so dull as to be unable to pass even kindergarten. My four statements do not contradict each other, but my last statement i.e. the person would not be able to pass the kindergarten is sufficient to indicate the
intelligence of that person. If a person
cannot even pass kindergarten, the
question of him passing the first
standard or 5th or 10th, does not arise.
IslamRe: Isn't It True That Islam Was Spread By The Sword? by udatso: 1:50pm On Jul 26, 2013
Are u new in NL. The verses you quoted have been well dealt with and the questions av bn answered on several threads here on nairaland...the only reason nobodY replied you here its because nobody wants to keep repeating what he has said...
IslamRe: Explanations Wanted!!! by udatso: 9:32pm On Jul 24, 2013
golpen: With the plentiful of the human errors you've agreed with me that are contained in the bible, will you call the bible the words of the true GOD?... Definitely perfection cannot blend in any way with imperfection.

You will never get any explanation from me because you are not willing to learn. You want endless argument. But with me is the explanations I understand and with you are the faults you've agreed are true. So what's your claim.

cheesy ...yes I think I forgot was king james' birthday, so they gave him some horses. But then, what about the age of joaichin? grin maybe he gave that out to a younger soul too. You better stop fooling yourself with your handicapped excuses. The bible refers to the same incident and the same time, yet we have the differences in the figures and people. Read your bible very well sire.
I just love the way you handle truthman, mintayo and their likes. May Allah(SWT) reward you abundantly for your jihad...you have given them explanations but they never came here for explanations....so when people argue with jahl and karh, you let them be. Tnx brother...Ramadan kareem
PoliticsRe: Question For Child Rights Activists by udatso: 9:30am On Jul 23, 2013
tnx 4 dis wonderful post...the problem is, they are not ready to listen...the funny part is that when they want to sight examples, they give examples of 9 year old been intimate wt a 90 year old...i have also asked them why cant they sight examples of 16 or 17 year oold getn married to 23...they are just trying so hard to make it loook bad...no 1 is asking elderly men to start avn sex with a 9year old...and no 1 is forcing anybody to give out his 6 year old daughter for sex or marriage but they will never undersatnd.....
A topic was created about a twenty somethn year old raping a 9 year old and these idiots blame yerima for it...evn b4 yerima brought up this issue, has there not bn such incidence..what of the bishop that raped an underage girl, is yerima respponsible for his action tooo and many others....tunji, no matter how hard you try they havve made up their minds not to understand
PoliticsRe: Senators Who Voted To Legalise Underage Marriage. by udatso: 11:23pm On Jul 19, 2013
Handsomeemmy: My question is Will you give your daughter out in marriage at the age of 13 against her will?

Can you marry a 13 years old girl and sleep peaceful in your sleep?

Kindly answer me please.
why is it that whenever you guys hear the mention of under age u always mention 12, 13 years:::if you are not bn 1 sided, y do u fail to mention 15, 16, 17.....how many gals within age of 12 to 17 have all lost their virginity, having countless abortions but you dont see anything wrong with it? Personally i dont plan on giving my daughter out at the age of 13 since thats your only description of underage marriage and no 1 is forcing me or you to do it:::the law was passed so that people like you wont consider it a criminal offence anymore.......if i remember correctly, in the 50s to 80s, no body saw a lady marrying at d age of 16, 17, 15 as any problem:::::go back to your village and you will confirm this::::::the only thing you guys should say is that the law should be ammended in a way that the girll shouldnt be forced and not raining down insults on them.
PhonesRe: All DATA USERS, WAKE UP (CAMPAIGN FOR FAIRNESS) by udatso: 12:49pm On Jul 19, 2013
Juell: This is a good movement, but most guys using android devices are rocking the MTN bis plans on their devices, wit a minimum of 3G per month for 1k.
it doesnt work anymore
IslamRe: The Qur'an And The Bible In The Light Of Science by udatso(op): 11:33pm On Jul 17, 2013
IslamRe: Saudi Arabia's Public Worship Policy by udatso: 11:11pm On Jul 17, 2013
I just can't help it but to see truth in lagoshia's message..saudi arabia from what I understand, don't really represent the muslims all over the world...is there any time saudi openly condemned injustice against other muslims all over the world? Them not allowing christians to practise their religion openly in the country isn't in the holy Qur'an or sunnatun nabiy(SAW) as far as I know...its a political decision and let's not try defending them by associating it with shari'ah....although considering how tricky and deceitful some christians can be, I commend them for those policies but they have nothing to do with islam(my opinion though).@op..have u ever asked yourself that despite these restrictions, why are there so many christians there? As far as I know, every country stil has the right to its own internal policies....picture it as this : this is my house, if you must come in, you must not be so so so and so and you must/nt do this and that.... Why should this be a problem when I set my rules..you asked if islam is tolerant? So op, this is based on politics..if you see a verse in the quran or hadith where you find these restrictions, then come back and ask if this is islamic tolerance. May Allah have mercy on us and forgive us our shortcomings..@tunji, roy, lagosshia and others, may Allah reward you all for your JIHAD.(AmEen)
IslamRe: Any News On when we are to start Fasting? by udatso: 6:01am On Jul 09, 2013
deols: That is for Saudi sir.

Wait for the Nigerian authorities to make their own announcement(s)
Please stop saying this...islam is one.one ramadan, one eid and one hajj...is there a special moon for saaudi..its reported in the hadith of rasul that once the news of the sighting of the moon has being heard(I.e reliable source), we should fast..so which one is that is for saudi? Do if saudi sEes theirs on wednesday, and lagos didn't see, we should wait til we see the moon on thursday or friday?
PoliticsRe: Jonathan's Approval Rating Remains Constant At 44% by udatso: 5:53am On Jul 03, 2013
Ofunaofu: Nwa oguta, can u pls explain how Gov. Rochas is the worst governor?
Guy, u no dey know joke...na joke him dey joke now
PoliticsRe: Jonathan's Approval Rating Remains Constant At 44% by udatso: 5:52am On Jul 03, 2013
engrhorla: Can u pls tell this forum how many democratically elected presidents Naija has had and how many have YOU experienced? Me think your uncle is Alams
Do people really mean this when they say it or they are just joking
IslamRe: Why Do Muslims Think That The Comforter Jesus Christ Promised Is Muhammad? by udatso: 3:02pm On Jul 02, 2013
4.4. prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
mentioned by name in the old
testament:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned
by
name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5
verse 16:
"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo
Muhammadim
Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna
Jerusalem."
"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is
altogether lovely. This is my beloved,
and
this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."
In the Hebrew language im is added for
respect. Similarely im is added after the
name of Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In
English
translation they have even translated
the
name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as
"altogether lovely", but in the Old
Testament
in Hebrew, the name of Prophet
Muhammad
(pbuh) is yet present.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New
Testament:
All the prophecies mentioned in the Old
Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh)
besides applying to the Jews also hold
good
for the Christians.
1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall
give
you another Comforter, that he may
abide
with you forever."
2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom
I will send unto you from the Father,
even the
Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from
the Father, he shall testify of me."
3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is
expedient for you that I go away: for if I
go
not away, the Comforter will not come
unto you; but if I depart, I will send him
unto you".
"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the
one
who praises" or "the praised one" is
almost
the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of
John
14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word
'Comforter'
is used in the English translation for the
Greek word Paracletos which means
advocate or a kind friend rather than a
comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for
Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually
prophesised
Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the
Prophet
(pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter
mentioned in these prophecies refers to
the
Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only
if
Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter
come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth
before and during the time of Jesus
(pbuh),
in the womb of Elizabeth, and again
when
Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc.
Hence
this prophecy refers to none other than
Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).
IslamRe: Why Do Muslims Think That The Comforter Jesus Christ Promised Is Muhammad? by udatso: 2:53pm On Jul 02, 2013
3.The Children of Abraham
According to the Bible, God made a
promise
to Abraham about his descendants: I will
establish my covenant as an everlasting
covenant between me and you and your
descendants after you for the
generations to
come, to be your God and the God of
your
descendants after you.[Genesis 17:7]
In this verse we see God promising
Abraham
that He will have a covenant with his
descendants. This covenant was fulfilled
by
God by sending Prophets from the
descendants of Isaac to the Jews (e.g
Daniel,
Jacob, Jesus etc.). But the promise that
was
made to Abraham by God was to all of
his
descendants, so it makes sense that
Prophets
would also be sent from the descendants
of
Abraham’s other son Ishmael.
In the Old Testament, God singled out
the
descendants of Ishmael (the Arabs) for a
particular blessing: And as for Ishmael, I
have heard you: I will surely bless him; I
will
make him fruitful and will greatly
increase
his numbers. He will be the father of
twelve
rulers, and I will make him into a great
nation. [Genesis 17:20]
According to the verse above, God tells
Abraham about a ‘Great Nation’ to come
from
Ishmael. This is another reason why God
would send Prophets amongst the Arabs,
how
could God call a nation great if they were
to
be unbelievers? Their greatness is
defined by
their belief and obedience to God. We
see
that Muhammad (pbuh) fits the
description
of a Prophet from the descendants of
Ishmael, who called people back to the
religion of Abraham.
Muhammad (pbuh) did indeed come
from
that nation of rulers mentioned in
Genesis
17:20. The book of Genesis tells us that
Abraham left his wife (Hagar) and
Ishmael to
settle in ‘Paran’ (Genesis 21:21), which
according to historians is in Arabia.
Ishmael
grew up and settled in Arabia and had
twelve
sons one of whom was called
‘Kedar’ (Genesis 25:13). Isaiah 21:13-17
confirms that the descendants of Kedar
were
in Arabia. It is well known that
Muhammad
(pbuh) was a direct descendant of Kedar.
In the Davis Dictionary of the Bible it is
stated that Kedar is ‘…A tribe descended
from Ishmael … The people of Kedar
were
Pliny’s Cedrai, and from their tribe
Mohammed ultimately arose’[2]. There
were
Jewish tribes in Medina (the city that the
Muhammad (pbuh) migrated to) who had
settled there because they were
awaiting the
arrival of a Prophet. In fact, Ben Shalom
the
Chief Rabbi of Medina embraced
Muhammad
(pbuh) as the Prophet whose arrival was
foretold in their scriptures.
Now let’s look at some interesting verses
from Isaiah 42 about a messenger from
Arabia.
The Messenger from Arabia
The Old Testament prophesises the
coming
of a Prophet from Arabia who would be
from
the descendants of Kedar. The verses of
Isaiah 42 describe the coming of a
Prophet
who God refers to as ‘my
Messenger’ (Isaiah
42:19). This Messenger would be from
‘the
villages that Kedar inhabits’ (Isaiah
42:11),
which means that the Messenger would
emerge from Arabia since that’s where
the
villages of the descendants of Kedar
lived
according to Isaiah 21:13-17. This
Messenger
would give ‘judgment’, ‘light’ and ‘Law’
to
the ‘Gentiles’ (Isaiah 42:1-4). Gentiles is
a
term referring to the non-Jews. This
Messenger would be a ‘man of war’ who
will
first be persecuted and then will fight
and
defeat idol worshippers (Isaiah 42:13-17)
.
This description fits Muhammad (pbuh)
exactly. Muhammad (pbuh) emerged
from
Arabia and was a direct descendant of
Kedar,
he was persecuted by and then fought
and
defeated the idol worshippers [3]. He
bought
about ‘judgment’ and ‘law’ to a lawless
Arab
people (Arabs would be classed as
‘Gentiles’)
when he became the ruler of the Arabian
Peninsula.
IslamRe: Why Do Muslims Think That The Comforter Jesus Christ Promised Is Muhammad? by udatso: 2:11pm On Jul 02, 2013
bukatyne: i've been goin through some threads now and it seems muslims have this fantasy that Muhammad is the Comforter Jesus Christ promised. I'm surprised they cling to that even when they claim the Bible is corrupted. my question is why do they believe so? i believe this thread ll help them clear all doubts that The Holy Spirit and Mohammed have no relationship/correlation. No bashing, pls let's state our points in a matured way. thanks
When muslims claim the bible is corrupted yet we quote verses from there..its because if I quote the quran as evidence to you, you wouldn't agree cos you don't believe quran to be the word of God.but if I quote from the bible to you, as a believer you must believe it since its your holy book..so let me give you some points why we believe the comforter the bible is speaking of is prophet muhammad(saw). Though, even though we belive the bible has been altered, there may still be some verses that can be considered as word of God.
Here are the points:
1.John and the Priests
In the Chapter of John, some Jewish
priests quizzed John the Baptist about three people who they were informed about in their scriptures. They asked him:
“Who are you?”
John confessed (he didn’t deny but
confessed), “I’m not the Christ.”
They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
John said, “I’m not.”
“Are you THE Prophet?”
John answered, “No.” [John 1:19-21]
So they then asked him, “Why do you
baptize if you aren’t the Christ, nor
Elijah, nor the Prophet?” [John 1:25]
The priests were expecting three people as prophesied by their books, so they asked about Christ, Elijah and ‘the Prophet’. So who is ‘the Prophet’ they are referring to here?
This cannot be a reference to Jesus as he is the Christ. Looking at a copy of the Bible with cross- referencing, we find that the words ‘the
Prophet’ which occur in John 1:25 refer
to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18 in the Old Testament, which also mentions a forthcoming Prophet.
According to Deuteronomy 18:18 God
speaks to the Prophet Moses and tells him that he will raise up a new Prophet who has certain clearly identifiable characteristics: I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among
their brethren, and will put My words in
His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.
[Deuteronomy 18:18-19]
In this prophecy God is telling Moses that he will raise a Prophet like him, who will be from ‘among their brethren’. Since these verses
are directed to Moses and the Jewish
People, the ‘brethren’ mentioned here are the brethren of the Jewish people.
Now Abraham, the forefather of the
Jewish nation had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (Genesis 21). The children of Isaac are the cousins of the children of the Ishmael. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the children of Ishmael are the Arabs. ‘Brethren’ in the language of the Old Testament can refer to the Jews
themselves (Numbers 32:6), or to the ancestral cousins of the Jews such as the Arabs, Edomites and others (see Deuteronomy 2:4,8 for usage of
the word ‘brethren’).
So the Arabs are considered the brethren of the Jews.
2.Muhammad and Moses
Some people may claim that Jesus is the
new Prophet being referred to in
Deuteronomy18:18. However ‘the Prophet’ mentioned in John 1:25 can’t be Jesus because he is
described as a separate person to ‘the
Christ’. In addition to this, the verse
informs us that the Prophet will have the characteristic of being someone who is ‘like’ Moses. Jesus was very different to Moses, but what about Muhammad (pbuh)?
The table below compares the lives of
the three men (peace be upon them all): Description
Moses
Mohammed
Jesus
Natural Birth


X
Married


X
Children


X
Given Prophethood at the age of 40


X
Forced migration by enemies


X
Initially rejected by his people (Jews or
Arabs), but then accepted


X
Statesman


X
New Legal Laws bought


X
Military Leader


X
United various tribes under one cause


X
Victory over enemies


X
Worshipped as God/Son of God (After
departure)
X
X

Of the Jewish Race

X

Called people to worship God alone



There is no doubt that Moses and
Muhammad (pbuh) are very similar.
Many historians who have studied the lives of Moses and Muhammad (pbuh) have remarked upon the many similarities between them. The late Reverend James L. Dow (1908-1977) who authored the Collins Gem Dictionary of the Bible wrote under the
entry of ‘Moses’: ‘’The only man in history who can be compared even remotely to him is
Mohammed.’’
All of the evidence so far shows
conclusively that Muhammad (pbuh) is the Prophet mentioned in John 1:25.
There are still many people who reject
Muhammad (pbuh) purely because he
was not Jewish (i.e not from the Children of Isaac) But we know that Prophets such as Noah, who are also mentioned in the Bible, weren’t Jewish either.
PoliticsRe: Obama Pledges $7bn For Electricity In Nigeria, Others by udatso: 5:36pm On Jul 01, 2013
all4naija: You can get a paraffin lantern and go to your village if you so much wished to be in darkness. Nobody is preventing you from living your barbaric life in your village but don't bring it to haunt others who are willing to move forward as in progress.
Hahahahahah...I just can't stop lafin......no body wants to live in darkness sir..all am saying is that it should be through the ryt means.....let me ask you this....what do they have to gain by investing so much on us..if u are actually business oriented individual, you would knw that its nt all relationship that are mutualistic sir..seriously, there is a catch in this and we will be at the receiving end
IslamRe: The Qur'an And The Bible In The Light Of Science by udatso(op): 1:20pm On Jul 01, 2013
@golpen
Tnx so much...I will post the links to the videos soon

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