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APCmyheart:
CAN can go and die jor..

Would you say the same if the case was reversed? I hate hypocrisy. As a Muslim I would boil in anger if Nigeria was registered as a Christian nation by the government and participates in events organised for these nations And you too will. Let's be reasonable

iceboy4752:
So Bukhari, Tabari and Ibn Ishaq are all in the Qur'an. Is that your point?

Please ignore the fool. You don't waste time on someone who doesn't even know what are verses Of the Quran

Let the fg settle this one and for all. They should start by removing ng as an Islamic country cos it posses serious threat to our unity especially now that Nigerians are very sensitive to religious matters. As a Muslim, I wouldn't feel comfortable if Nigeria is registered as a Christian nation (assuming there is something like that).
I believe the fact that Nigeria is enlisted as an Islamic nation was the reason she was invited to this game. Let's put an end to this.
As for our Muslim brothers who think there is nothing wrong with it, I want them to know that everything is wrong with it. Do to others what you want them to do to you.

Ameen

AbdelKabir:
Subhanallaah, a Shi'a can go to any length just to go against ahlus sunnah wal jamaa'ah, imagine him using the aayah of Christians, sabi'een, Jews entering jannah if they believe, a'udhubillaah Minash shaytaan ar-rajeem

If only he had read the book Allaah very well(anyway he doesn't even believe in it) and stopped looking for faults from Umar, Abu bakr, Uthmaan, Mu'awiyah and so on he would've found out that;

1.) The term "Muslim" was used even before the time of Muhammad sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam

So, all the Christians, Jews, sabi'ins that believed in their prophets before the time of Muhammad sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam are all categorized as "Muslims" in the real sense.

2.) Allaah is speaking about those who believed before the time of Muhammad and those who accepted the message of Muhammad when they saw him, and Whoever disbelieve in particular messenger of Allaah is a kaafir! Even tho he believes in others as Allaah says;

"Verily, those who disbelieve in Allaah and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allaah and His Messengers (by believing in Allaah and disbelieving in His Messengers) saying, “We believe in some but reject others,” and wish to adopt a way in between. They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment”

The messenger of Allaah says “By the One is Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, not one of this nation, Jew or Christian, will hear of me and will die without having believed in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the dwellers of Hell fire.”(saheeh Muslim)

3.) Allaah calls modern day Christians kaafirs in many places;

“Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allaah is the Messiah, son of Maryam...."

"Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allaah is the third of the three.” But there is no deity who has the right to be worshipped but Allaah. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them"

4.) He calls Jews kaafirs; "Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words from (their) right places and say: “We hear your word (O Muhammad) and disobey,” and “Hear and let you (O Muhammad) hear nothing.” And Raa‘ina [in Arabic it means “Be careful, listen to us, and we listen to you”, whereas in Hebrew, it means “an insult”] with a twist of their tongues and as a mockery of the religion. And if only they had said: “We hear and obey”, and “Do make us understand,” it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allaah has cursed them for their disbelief…”


But I don't expect the raafidhi to know about all these, when disbelieving and not taking the Quran serious is one of the qualification to be a scholar in shi'ism...

Wallaahul musta'aan.

Jazakallahu khairan ya akh

Albaqir pls read abdelkabir post.

AlBaqir:
Pardon me brother for I must say I am very disappointed in this comment of yours.

Pardon me for saying this but I must say the feeling is mutual.

# The tittle reads "stop calling NON-MUSLIM kafir", and I believe the author explained himself clearly enough to avoid unnecessary misconception.

Actually he didn't. He never gave any evidence where Allah instructed us not to call them kuffar. Rather what we have is actually Enough evidence to support us calling them so.

Using Quran to justify calling " non-muslims kuffar clearly revealed how you guys understand Quran very wrongfully. The question is who are kuffar? and who are non-muslims?!


"Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve."

* Jews, Christians, Sabians?! Are these not Non-muslims? Why is Quran promising them surety on the day of Qiyamat if they are "non-muslims vis-a-vis Kuffar" according to your understanding?

This post wasn't to investigate If all non muslims are going to hellfire. So I don't know what this explanation is for?

This ayah (68) is in the last surah of the holy Quran (surah al-Maidah) where a Sahih hadith of the Ahlu Sunnah pointed that whatever is in this surah is binded till Qiyamat.

* Interestingly, the above ayah also exist in different other suwar.

# The point is if we study Quran very well with keen attention, we will discover the following:

1. Among the Christians and the Jews, there exists "Kuffar - disbelievers", meaning there also exist " believers". Surah al-Bayyina : 6 quoted above by one of your brothers testified to that.

[b]The moment you erroneously tag all non-muslims, kuffar (kafir), then you have yourself disbelieve (again kufr) in several ayah of the Quran.

2. Even among the "Muslims", there exist " disbelievers".

# Quran is so very careful in using the word "kufr (disbelieve)". In fact, it has several meaning according to the Quran. According to it:

# kufr could mean associating partners with Allah.

# Kufr could also mean non recognition of Allah's mercy {for example in surah Ibrahim, Allah says refusing to thank Him is " kufr".

# Disbelief in for example an ayah of the Quran is Kufr. And I will be glad to remind you that several companions were Kuffar in this sense.

# If you refuse going for Hajj, Quran termed it "kufr".

It goes on and on.

Like I said earlier, we are not here to talk about the classification of kufr or kuffar. The op tries to forbid Muslims from using a name Allah has clearly described the non believers with.

IpobExposed:
Why should foam come our from someone hit by a car mouth this Liepods biafrans and PDP criminals are always looking for a way to discredit Buhari shame on you guy. Use a better Photoshop next time.



Sai Baba

How is an accident meant to discredit buhari? Are you sane at all?

I believe our brothers have given you wonderful replies. There is nothing wrong calling a kafir kafir. Actually it's the best description for them. They are kuffar, don't try to sugar coat the name or replace it with something that might sound pleasing to their ears.

Edu3Again:
Surah 9:111: “Allah has purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs is the garden: they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain.” If Allah has purchased the “person” of the believer, and gives Paradise (“the garden”) in response, then the woman who gives her body to jihadis may be considered to be giving her “person” to Allah in exchange for a place in Paradise.

Create a new thread for this please and mention me. Let's not derail this thread.

Edu3Again:
Then explain how come there is s3x jihad?
If fornication is not allowed, how come there is s3x jihad that people obey

I don't practise it. So you should probably ask the experts (the terrorists that practise it) where they got their inspiration from.
Just because you don't know where they got it from doesn't mean you should accuse Islam of it especially when you have no Concrete proof to back Up your statement

Edu3Again:


1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Though in one religion fornication is allowed to help the combatants.

They call it S3x jihad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWPPZmclogU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCX-YfLuRwg


So it's only in Christianty that fornication is frowned on

This religion you speak about, is there a text from their authentic books permitting fornication?
Cos as far as I know, this religion takes the punishment of fornication or adultery very serious and has lead to the faith being condemned for their stern and stringent punishments.

In this religion, you aren't only asked not to fornicate but move far away from it. That is to say even acts that lead to fornication and adultery are prohibited.

I hope you leave this religion out of your discussion next time

Demmzy15:
Abeg find way learn o, it'll be nice to speak many languages!

Which other languages do you speak apart from Yoruba?

Demmzy15:
It's a slang in Yoruba signifying when 419ner chop you!

Sometimes, i just wish I understood Yoruba. I understand Hausa, little igbo and no Yoruba at all.

The writer is just being mischievous. That's the clothe he wore when he was released from prison. Person never even settle down, and you are already asking for him to be thrown back in jail. He will definitely go back but for now, cut him some slack

Demmzy15:
You sure? I remember say dem don gba KB before!

But what is gba?
Ayam not understanding

alBHAGDADI:
I couldn't fine any.

I have been on nairaland since 2010 but only created an account in 2012. Plus this post I have 2012 posts. 1 hour isn't enough to search all through. So go back again and keep searching. Please take coffee should the search extend to night to keep you awake.

alBHAGDADI:
When have you Muslims ever condemned or proved contrary before?

Have you ever on nairaland? Show me a link.

Go and search

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alBHAGDADI:
Should how I feel about Muslims matter or the evil that MURIC is brewing which you need to stop vocally?

Well, it is a well known fact that Muslims are never to Side with unbelievers against a Muslim.

If this already your belief about us, why ask us to prove contrary?
If we do prove contrary, you call us liars, pretenders or the taqiyya shit.
If we don't condemn you Still say we are all the same. So now that this is cleared that we don't have any option when answering to you, can you please let us be and stop quoting us to condemn or defend whatever garbage you bring to us?

alBHAGDADI:
All Muslims should use this thread to condemn their utterance and dissociate themselves from the body calling for instability in SW. Failure to do this will fuel suspicion.

what do you care? After all we are all terrorist according to you. In your belief we are all practising taqiyya.. ....so what do you care if we do or don't?

castrokins:
Jews Don't Gather, Sir?

Then you shouldn't have used church

castrokins:
According To Binta, Kanu Can Not Even Go To Church As There'd Be More Than 10 Persons There.

What A Joke!

But why will he need to go to church? Is he a Christian or Jewish?

Shifting the goal post. My dear, I am not here to debate you. I just pointed out false statement I felt I could address without falling into endless debate with you.
You can summon all your Christian friends and scholars and ask them about Mathew 7: 20-23. They will equally tell you that nothing refers to Muslims there.
Stop trying to give the Bible your false meanings. You can tell me Muslims are in hell already in the perspective of Christianinty but that verse isn't the proof.


Have a nice day. I hopeyou admit your fault and move on without further dragging this cos I won't respond again.

alBHAGDADI:
No, but as the one to judge you and Mohammad the false prophet. The below will be his words to you and him.

Mathew 7:23

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Actually you are wrong considering the context of the verse.
Starting from verse 21:


New International Version
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Do Muslims address Jesus as lord lord? Hell no
Who does? Christians
Let's check the next verse

New International Version
Verse 22
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?


Do Muslims prophesy and drive out demons in Jesus name? A FAT NO.
DO Christians ''prophesy and drive out demons in Jesus name''? A MIGHTY YEEEESSSSS.


If you then read verse 23, you would be foolish to claim the verse refers to Muslims.

Sanchez01:


Lol... It was a well deserved win. I would have loved that any Barca player but Messi completed the brace

Let me guess. Cr7 is your man.

Sanchez01 where are you. I told you victory is ours

hungryboy:
The only thing we are waiting for ,
Is when Baba Buhari will suspend himself from Aso Rock and the presidency

Who is we?

Sanchez01 are you a Madrid fan. If you are, I can only feel pity for you cos come Sunday, we shall use Real Madrid to console ourselves for the uefa loss

carinmom:
It is, my brother.

I hope your health has improved. May Allah heal you

bqlekan:
Salaam brother. I am never an advocate of fabrications in islam.

That's good news. Unfortunately your reply tells a different story ya akh. You are not an advocate of fabrications in Islam yet you think "good" hadiths that pass good info whether sahih or not should be followed. It makes me wonder which side are you on?
You should know that لا طاعة في معصية الله

I really understand your points. All i pointed out was the hypocrisy eating deep amongst we muslims. How we are quick to label other sects extremist.

But the op didn't label anyone here an extremist or terrorist. So why are we talking about this here? If you feel this is a pint that need to be addressed, Go ahead and Create your thread and address it Cos right now it seems you are concerned about how the message was passed by abdelkabir and there is nothing wrong with the method of delivery.

But the question is 'how do we reject these so called fabrications?' do we reject it without calling ourselves names and causing divisions? Is our standard of authenticating Hadith really infallible?

May Allah reward abundantly you as you create a thread to address these questions you just raised.

xage:
You are literarily correct but technically wrong, the fact that the said fabrication is preaching goodness, or can improve eeman does not mean it should be established as authentic Hadith. If we do, then sooner or later, human poetry will soon overtake the Hadith or Qur'an as you suggest, and which is highly fallible, subject to errors and misleading too.

Rejecting what is not of the prophet has nothing to do with fanaticism brother..Allahu Ahlam.

You have given him a very wonderful reply. I was going to reply him and I saw your post. May Allah reward you abundantly