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WORDWORLD:
"STORY! STORY!"............................."Storyyyyyyyyyyyyyy". "ONCE UPON A TIME".........................."Timeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

They fled, They lied.................but, but, but...............you know that DOUBLE STANDARD ringing tone.

No he lied because Jesus already said he will lie but, but but, but, ..............IT IS NOT A LIE because Jesus already said he will LIE.

Brain dey pain you!?

lol

Tintingz I have sent you a mail

tintingz:
I resides in Lagos, how can i be of help if it is something I can do?

Alhamdulillah. Thanks
I want to Purchase something and I couldn't find it in kano. I believe lagos is my last hope. Can you help me with that?

.....

Lol. You mean this coward that was exposed by wordworld in
https://www.nairaland.com/3104292/rilwayne-001-say-better-believe
And
https://www.nairaland.com/3086804/annunaki-read-old-testament

NotOfThis:
I was looking forward to this topic as well but the rate at which people derail good threads in this section is something else.

The matter IT HAVE TIREDED ME ooooo

This was a very good topic that I was really looking forward to read the contributions of the ladies. But what do I see? Some ladies insulting each other. Must you fight over everything?
If you think the topic is stupid, what's keeping you here?
Toks2008 always create very reasonable threads and therefore describing this topic as useless is pathetic. What's more upsetting is calling him foolish.
If you lack the mental capacity to grasp the message passed across or contribute, please keep off. It's not compulsory to post

Sanchez01:
When staunchly defend pastors, we;

1. Reinforce their actions, either good or bad.
2. Prove that indeed we have been brainwashed and are blind.
3. Forget that the pastor is a man which is capable of falling or making mistakes.
4. Show that we are incapable of thinking for ourselves since the Word of God is far from our reach.
5. We unconsciously join such pastor by driving out young believers.
6. Show that we don't follow God and study His Word but the Pastor.
7. We unconsciously give room for cult followership rather than the truth.

Nice one Sanchez

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, I never said one caliph killed another. I only said that Muslims killed their caliphs, to which true2god supplied proofs.

I Now wonder why you are demanding for something we never made any statement about. Pls, provide a single sentence answer to the question below.

Did Muslims kill their caliphs or not?

LIARS

The 4th khalifa killed the 3rd khalifa, the 5th khalifa killed the 4th khalifa

Now who should be ashamed of himself?

alBHAGDADI:
Did Muslims kill muslim caliphs or not?

Bla bla bla

annunaki2:
Can't you just answer his questions? I believe they are simple enough.

Face front. I no get your time.

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, I never said one caliph killed another. I only said that Muslims killed their caliphs, to which true2god supplied proofs.

I Now wonder why you are demanding for something we never made any statement about. Pls, provide a single sentence answer to the question below.

Did Muslims kill their caliphs or not?

He specifically said the 4th khalif the 3rd. You quickly quoted him to me. That's why I gave it to you
Not only did you refuse to correct him since you are now denying a khalif killing another. You quoted him to me.

alBHAGDADI:
Where the caliphs killed by muslims or not?

Now you have changed the music. Continue messing around. Know that you would be ignored as far this discussion is concerned until you supply the proof I demanded for.

ومن لم يذق ذل التعلم ساعة *** تجرع ذل الجهل طول حياته


ومن فاته التعليم وقت شبابه *** فكبر عليه أربعا لوفاته


إمام شافعي

true2god:
Since you need hard evidence, will you deny or repudiate the quran and hadith below?:

Mohammed said: I have been given the smallest expression bearing the widest meaning and I have been made victorious by means of terror (sahih Bukhari 4:52:220).

Mohammed also said that the life and property of kafirs are not secure until they say: there is no god but allahh and Mohammed is his messenger. (sahih Bukhari 4:52:196), (Sahih Muslim, 1:31 [see also 1:130, 1:32, 1:33]) and also Qur'an 9:29.

The issue is that over 90% of Muslims worldwide are ignorant of Islamic history and are lazy to research it while the remaining 10% who are informed lie about it outrightly because of the embarrassment that it usually cause to Islam. Islam is built on LIES to the ignorant kafirs and on history revisions.

My questions to you are:

1) Who killed Ali Ibn Abi talib, the 4th khalifa, the son-in-law of Mohammed?

a. Muslims
b. non-muslims
c. the Americans.

2) Who killed the grandchildren of Mohammed?

a. Muslims
b. non-muslims
c. the Americans

3) Who killed Othman, the third khalifa?

a. Muslims
b. non-muslims
c. the Americans

4) What caused the sunni-shia civil war:

a. leadership tussle
c. Money
c. war booty.

If you can answer these questions very honestly, you will understand the bloody history of Islam.

This is how you fail a simple exam. I only requested for

Bring proof showing that the 4th killed the 3rd and the 5th killed the 4th.

And here you are speaking Turkish

Mohammed said: I have been given the smallest expression bearing the widest meaning and I have been made victorious by means of terror (sahih Bukhari 4:52:220).

Mohammed also said that the life and property of kafirs are not secure until they say: there is no god but allahh and Mohammed is his messenger. (sahih Bukhari 4:52:196), (Sahih Muslim, 1:31 [see also 1:130, 1:32, 1:33]) and also Qur'an 9:29.

Shame on you as you keep looking for the evidence.

ilynem:
List of the wars? Its so unfortunate you don't even know your own history. That is the problem with you lot. You accept every nonsense your leaders tell you without researching for yourselves. And its a pity.

When did you become albaghdadi? I know my history. The question is if what he said about the history was true which is why I asked. I need to know his stand before I speak up. You don't just make a statement that could be true or false and expect me to start refuting or accepting it.
He claimed there were wars that lead to the 4th khalif killing the 3rd khalif. In Islamic history there is no strong evidence to back this up. Since you know my history better than me and you are his advocate, kindly provide evidence for this or you would be ignored henceforth

ilynem:
Hmmmmm. I was thinking of opening a thread about the lie of Islam being a religion of peace, but I am too busy (or lazy?) to actually do it. But by Gods grace, I will. But in brief, should I tell you why Biko Haram bomb mosques? Because just like Christians you "peaceful" Muslims are infidels. You do not practice true Islam and you know what? They are absolutely right. When Mohammed started his ministry (or what ever you call it, he preached about peace). In the last 9 years of his life, he participated in 86 battles. 86! Chapter 9 of the Koran was said to be the last chapter of the Koran to be composed and it is the most violent. Coincidence? Your prophet got more violent as he grew in power and had more followers to fight for him. So he conquers cities, rapes women, enslaves children and so on. Can you see the similarities with Boko Haram and Isis? After he died, Islam conqured up to 1/3 of the known world and that was not in self defence! They fought and killed people and subjected people to slavery unless the convert because it was what their prophet told them to do. This was the trend in Islam until the fall of the Roman empire and Islam started playing the defensive. You do not hear the phrase "religion of peace" until the 20th century. So my brother, boko haram, Isis and other extremist are the real Muslims. You are not. You are an infidel like me and the OP.
Like I said, law of averages will tell you that Christians will die for their faith. Do you think those people beheaded by Boko Haram and Isis aren't given the option to live? You need to read Surah 9 of your holy book again so you can know how forceful conversion works. A christian shouldn't be teaching it to you.

Bla bla bla

alBHAGDADI:
look below

an ignorant fellow referring someone to another ignorant fellow.
First of all, the battle of badr wasn't the battle Muslims fought Muslims. With all your researches you have done about Islam, I thought you would know this. Well your research was to find faults.

Bring proof showing that the 4th killed the 3rd and the 5th killed the 4th. Stop dishing out false information especially when you have nothing to back it up

alBHAGDADI:
Am sorry, but you are just making assumptions.

Can you provide us with a video of Christians denying their faith and accepting islam when confronted by Boko Haram?

You haven't provided what I demanded of you and here you are making demands

From the time of Yahshua, his disciples to till now, Christians have been dying for their faith. The Kenya mall attack by Islamic terrorists and the ISIS killings proves it, where Muslims were separated from the Christians with the Christians killed on the spot. They could have denied being Christians but they didn't.

We are talking about 9ja.... Boko haram

You speak of people fleeing from Boko Haram. Who won't do the same? Or do you expect them to go embrace Boko Haram's cruelty? That's stupidity. But when they are trapped by Boko Haram and they are given the choice to accept Islam and live it declare Christianity and get killed, they will accept Christianity.

You claimed many do and uptil now, you are yet to give a video proof.

Who would want to accept a cruel cult?

If accepting it temporarily would save your life, only a fool wouldn't accept.

Now, you talk of Boko Haram killing Muslims too and bombing mosques as a justification that Boko Haram is unislamic. May I remind you that the killing of Muslims by Muslims didn't begin today. All the caliphs in Islam were killed by fellow muslims in bloody war. So, if we are seeing it's fruit today, note that it isn't anything new.

List of these bloody wars and the names of the khalifs killed?

ilynem:
You are really funny. So because they bomb mosques too, what has that got to do with anything? Remember they are using your holy book as a justification for their actions.

Sir, when I requested for evidence of a Christian picking Christianity knowing certainly it means death in the hands of boko haram, you quickly jumped to give examples of how christians are been killed which isn't what I asked for. To counter your point, I equally give you example of Muslims been killed. So if you say the Christians and churches bombed died for their faith, then I can as well say the muslims killed by boko haram also died for their faith.

And why are you using boko haram as a case study?

cos boko haram affects us all. There are those who would say alqaeda and many others were created directly or indirectly by Americans. Whether this is true, thats a debate for another day. This is why I didn't want to get involved into that.

We are talking about Christians dying for their faith.

No we are not. Maybe you are. BUT I AM TALKING ABOUT CHRISTIANS DYING FOR THEIR FAITH IF GIVEN THE OPTION TO LIVE. They aren't the same

Despite the threat, Christians still go to churches in all these crises affected area. Missionaries still step into Islamic dominated places knowing that they might get killed for their faith.

Same way Muslims in borno still go to mosque knowing fully well it might be the last. So what's your point?

I have countless examples of them.

As do I. But you aren't giving the example that I requested for

And you saying Christians ran for their life is just laughable. What do u expect them to do? Stand and die? If you have a chance to escape, you have to. Escaping is not the sin. Lying and denying your faith is. And the fact you claim if given the chance to accept Islam or die, many Christians will accept Islam and deny their faith. The law of averages says you are right. Many would. But many also will not. There weak ones in the faith and there are strong ones. One more thing! Does lying to save yourself not prove that Allah is powerless and can't save you in time of trouble?

It proves my point that your laws in this regard are not practical

hopefulLandlord:
my bad
I didn't follow the discussion from the beginning

ignore it

Okay

hopefulLandlord:
never mind I have one for you

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=93e_1405368986

Sir, did you watch the video? Please watch the video and edit your post.

ilynem:
So let's pretend biko haram is the only islamist terror group in the world? And we can find Christians only in Nigeria?

Read my previous discussion with him. We were focusing on boko haram as a case study.

Like you can't remember then number of churches boko haram has bombed? Who was inside those churches? Atheists

Same way number of mosques were bombed too. In Kano human flesh was scattered after the bomb last that rocked the emir of Kano mosque like shredded meat. But that is not the point. The point is if given the choice by boko haram to remain in the church and die as Christians or accept Islam and be free, I can guarantee you that majority would save themselves so they can be with their loved ones.

For the case of bomb last, they weren't really given any choice. If they had a choice they wouldnt have remained there and be killed like chickens.

Another example is Buk oldsite attack by boko are rams. They attacked the Christians during their service on Sunday and everyone fled for their life. A friend of mine who was injured barely escaped. Do you think if he was informed of the attack, he would have gone to church?


This all boils down to AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS SWEET LAWS IN CHRISTIANITY CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED. THEY ARE LAWS TO GIVE THE FAITH A GOOD BUT FALSE APPEARANCE (no offense intended).

alBHAGDADI:
Boko haram recently pledged allegiance to ISIS. Below is a video of what their mentors did to egyptian christians.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9-8VyQlsX8

I didn't ask for videos for isis. I asked for boko haram. We have been focusing on home terrorism aka boko haram.

ilynem:
If you videos of Christians dying for their faith, there are a lot on the internet. And guess what? They were being killed my Muslims.

Help me with some.. Remember we are talking about boko haram here

Hahaha. A typical case of a bigger thief trying to stop a smaller one.
Hypocrites

WORDWORLD:
"Any NON-MUSLIM who leaves their faith to embrace ISLAM should be punnished by DEATH". Does it sound reasonable? Who then will become Muslims?

These issue of APOSTACY is so straight forward. Their is not even a SINGLE verse of the Quran that supports DEATH sentence on any one who chooses to leave the folds of Islam for what ever they care as long as the do their thing peacefully.

I DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW ALOT OF MUSLIMS SUBSCRIBE TO THIS KIND OF IGNORANCE. I know you are NOT one of such Muslims who support such an UNREASONABLE view. I know where you stand. I have read your SENSIBLE views on the subject matter. *I hope am not mistaken you for someone else.

Explicit Evidences from the QURAN is above any other speech which may tend to be contrary to ALLAH'S VERY WORDS. No matter the amount of Hadiths anyone may wish to quote. Not a single Ayah of the Quran pronounced or pronounces death on anyone who leaves the folds of ISLAM. ISLAM IS NOT BY FORCE, IT IS NOT A CULT!!!

Allah is not even in need of our worshipping Him. Its a choice and the merit and gain of choosing to worship ALLAH is directly for our own good and the common good of the society if we choose to submit our will to His willingly. ISLAM IS A FAVOUR FROM THE LORD OF THE WORLDS. If anybody chooses not, after haven chosen Islam. Its not in anybodies hands to punish the person but persude.

As long as anyone who leaves the fold of Islam doesnt raise the sword against Muslims in AGGRESSION but do their thing peacefully. They are good to grow.

As if it is not EXPLICIT in the Quran

"....and if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will be no fruit in this life and the hereafter..........Q2:217. There are so many much more verses so CLEAR.

Allah could have said 'IF ANY OF YOU TURN BACK FROM FAITH HE SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH' .

Allah the Wise is not a LUNATIC. Afterall to Him we shall all return.

There are so many verses i can Quote to supporting this TRUISM.

I DONT REALLY PATRONIZE THE SECTION, ISLAM FOR MUSLIMS BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS A BIG SHEIK AND EVERYONE WANTS TO HAVE A BIG SAY. WE ARE SO DIS-UNITED OVER USELESS THINGS.

The world is suffering because we are so DIS-UNITED and so NOT up to the task charged us as the BEST COMMUNITY THAT ENJOINS WHAT IS GOOD AND FORBID WHAT IS EVIL. Its an Honour to be a Muslim.

Do you know that not until 24 Nov 2016 was the very first American solider killed in the Syrian crises. ITS BEING MUSLIMS KILLING MUSLIMS. ALLAH DID NOT ENDORSE SECTARIAMISM EVEN START WITH.

Islam is geared towards a universal brotherhood.

Islam is a Favour from Allah. And i am so Honoured (I REPEAT). May Allah make us live and die as sincere Muslims MOST PLEASING to Him. We all have our short coming. Let us bulid TOLERANCE and MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING.

I dont do SECT what so ever.

"Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which Thou didst lay on those before us: Our Lord! lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear.BLOT OUT OUR SINS, and grant us forgiveness, HAVE MERCY ON US. THOU ART OUR PROTECTOR; HELP US AGAINST THOSE WHO STAND AGAINST FAITH" Amin.

For those who may have contray views i suggest that the should reason if NON-MUSLIMS by a supposed degree of their faith put any one who leaves their fold for Islam to death. THEN, HOW IS ISLAM ANY BETTER THAN A BARBARIC CULT IF PEOPLE SUGGEST SUCH IS A DECREE TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN ISLAM.

Ignorant Muslims keep allowing themselves to be beaten on the head many times with this misconception.

Not everybody that is professing Islam today will die as ONE. Until we are conquered by death and our faith is up and standing. UNTIL THEN, IS THE TRUE VICTORY!!!

May Allah make us live and die as sincere Muslims.

JazakAllaahu khairan. I have never supported the killing of apostate in this our modern times. That's why I created two topics about this issue.

tintingz:
Why are you defending something not good? Why sentimental?

Calling me an apostate is not the issue but what he said afterward "I would have been judged if we were in an Islamic state" just because my ideology is different from his? He himself said the penalty is death! Please tell me something else.

This kind of people should be living in the Arab countries killing kufar(unbelievers, infidels) they are not meant to live in a civilized and secular world.

As long as I draw breath, I will never defend evil consciously. That said, you addressed two points :
1. He called you an apostate
2. About fatwa

I addressed the first one cos it was less controversial.
The issue of punishment of an apostate is one that I do not like to get too involved in.

damagepbuh:
So wat do u have to say about d many dat thought dat there was truth in following mohammad and later found out dat d man is a bunch of lies and demons. Has dat made u stop being a muslim??

In Islam no Muslim will tell you he is been lead by the Holy Spirit. A Muslim is convinced that Islam is his Deen and until other facts change such view, he remains a Muslim.

But a christian who claims to be lead by the Holy Spirit and suddenly reverts to Islam has only 2 possible logical explanations
1. There isnt a holy spirit or he wasn't been lead by the Holy Spirit
2. Along the way, the Holy Spirit stopped leading him and he became lost.

These two scenarios pose a very big problem as the former shows Christians who claim to be lead by the spirit are liars as long as long as many Christians who are been lead by this imaginable entity still leave their religion for other faith.
The later questions the reliability of this spirit. It's like investing in MMM

tintingz:
Why are you defending something not good? Why sentimental?

Calling me an apostate is not the issue but what he said afterward "I would have been judged if we were in an Islamic state" just because my ideology is different from his? He himself said the penalty is death! Please tell me something else.

This kind of people should be living in the Arab countries killing kufar(unbelievers, infidels) they are not meant to live in a civilized and secular world.

As long as I draw breath, I will never defend evil consciously. That said, you addressed two points :
1. He called you an apostate
2.

I addressed the first one cos it was less controversial.
The issue of punishment of an apostate is one that I do not like to get too involved in.

Upnepaa:
Now on the issue on ground...

We Nigerian mulsims are a set of a confused group,
It seems we practice our religion according to the views of the outsiders,because of their criticisms,because we should'nt be tagged as "extremists or radical Muslims" Hence we practise Islam with levity and unseriousness,we are not practising the rudiments and tenets of Islam to the level required of us by our Creator and also according to the teachings of Islam,just because of what the non Muslims will say about us,To hell with their assumptions!!!!


Personally,I don't see abdel kabir's submission as too harsh,if you see it that way then you have a long way to go,and it seems you haven't came across a real extremist, because if you have done that,you will definitely know that his contribution is just normal


*** A good Muslim parent will block the way of his/her offspring if it seems the child his going astray, Alcohol is a major sin Islam, hence it should'nt be taken with levity,her parents her actually right by barring her from associating with such kind of friends but they will be wrong if they bare her from associating with non Muslims...


If you wants to know the real meaning of radical and extreme Muslims then read about boko are ram,ISIS,Taliban etc..



That i'm enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong in accordance to the sunnah of the prophet (S A W) doesn't turn me in to an extremist,a takfeer or a radical Muslim,rather it only describes me as a practising Muslim.




We need to change our mentality because our own views as a muslim towards the non Muslims doesn't change the way they worship their so called god in any way,then why should theirs change our own....

The major thing is that we must fulfill what is required of us as a Muslim (Halal and Haram) after that we take care of the criticisms of the kaafir wisely and carefully, because no matter how soft we are,our religious practices will always be alien to them,

Islam,when practised according to the teachings of the prophet (S A W) is never extreme or radical unless you have no idea what is Islam is....

May Allah reward you abundantly. I see no reason why we should be apologetic to non Muslims. What's wrong is wrong. I hope other muslim brothers take your advice

damagepbuh:
Ex Christian pastors indeed. U dat have a perfect religion if u re in d west, take a stroll to shiloh by December and count tens and hudreds of Muslims giving their lives to christ, if u re in d northwest take a stroll to catholic headquarters in d state u re on a sunday and see how girls remove their hijabs before entering church and put it on after service to avoid being killed for converting.
For every one Christian dat converts to islam, 50 Muslims convert to Christianity.
Wen i was in d north west, my church holds special sunday Services in hausa language for hausa converts.
And for ur light, i dnt need it, most of those who have found it are blowing themselves all over d world.
I have found absolute peace in Christianity. Peace dat can only come with a heart for which Jesus is lord over.

It's unfortunate you didn't get my point. It wasn't to compare the number of converts from either religion. It was to tell you that just because you feel you are filled with the Holy Spirit which has helped you understand God doesn't mean a thing. Many said same thing and they realised they were been lead by evil spirit.