₦airaland Forum

AlBaqir:
# Point of correction, and please let it sink down for the record. I do not have any argument for gay. My points is more of effeminates which I believe could lead to been gay or lesbian. I believe they need help.

#Point of correction, you are advocating for effeminates who turned out to be gays and why the death penalty shouldn't apply to them based on who they are. Or You feel they should be helped rather than punished.

# Second, I challenge you and whoever, to bring Allah's explicit punishment (hadd) on "homosexuality". Please am sick of the people of Nuh. That is an entire qawm, and it took a long donkey years before Allah wiped them off when they persisted in their sin. Today, in Islamic countries, the punishment for homosexuality varies due to different ijtihad. What your hadith says is " if you caught them in the act, bring them out and kill them". Some choose beheading, some choose burning alive, some even go to the extent of passing red-hot iron via. their anus and leave them to die via bleeding (e.g Iraq), etc.

is your source of Sharia only Quran?

Today, I as an individual still challenge you all on stoning to death where the accused will be buried half-way to the waist, tied up and stoned to death. Qur'an mentions punishment for Zina, where's your "stoning to death"?

Irrelivant to the topic at hand.

# As per your beloved Umar Ibn al-Khattab, you should never be the one asking me evidence. Not you. Have you finished your research yet on our little last dialogue where you pull away for time to research?

If I had known the things I know about you now, I wouldn't have bothered to do any research on it.
Anyway I did, but knowing what I know now about you, my findings would rather draw us into countless of arguments. So I have decided to keep it to myself.
I know I should have replied you since I promised to get back to you and I didn't. For that I am deeply sorry. I hope you will forgive me.

I remember how " shut up" all of you were when I posted the way Umar used to treat female slaves, they dare not wearing hijab, and they walk in his yard serving guest with their hairs and breas.t waggling. These are your ahadith not mine. Yet, the diehard among you will try to defend what is not. Wallahi you don't want to see records I have on your beloved master Umar.

Actually I think there was a brother you were dialoging with and he responded approriately if I remember correctly. Kindly help me with the link if you have it.

Anyway, I am sure you have many more atrocities of umar (R. A) but right now, the one you brought forward here is wrong and it was deceitful of you.

# Okay, you assumed they are fools with no aql?

You were desperate to interpret a hadith to incriminate an esteemed sahaba of Rasulullah (sallalahu alayhi Wa sallam). I think it's okay to warn the believers.

MrOlai:
Albaqir wants to smuggle homosexuality into Qur'an here!

Allah(SWT) is talking about something completely different, he(Albaqir) is relating the verse to homosexuality!

Beware of Albaqir! He is an agent of destruction!

I have told those who cared to listen. The earlier you run from him, the better

tintingz:
Why not give us scientific research from Quran and hadith that conclude homosexual is not genetic? provide experiments from those books not some imaginary claims. Not everyone has a barbaric thinking like you folks.

If you were a mu'min, you would have understood that it's not about genetics. It's about what Allah has decreed so to hell with genetics if it opposes Allah. You really don't get it. Allah in His infinite mercies considers all(past present and future) before giving His judgements. Are you more knowledgeable than Allah?
If you claim to be then I can only pray for you, if you arent, then stop talking about genetics Opposing established Laws by Allah. It's about time you stop this madness. Even a Christian wouldn't challenge God's knowledge.

As for you Albaqir, ikupakuti, mrolai newnas and other brothers have already concluded this in their earlier posts. They have given more than enough. You should know by now that your argument for gays holds no water. If you think Allah didn't make all consideration before giving this hadd, you can take it up with Him.

Your statement about umar (R. A) without concrete evidence passes a very stern message why every true believer should run away from you.


May Allah protect us from those who call towards Kufr and fasaad

Demmzy15:
Under the Shirk involves supplicating to others besides Allaah like Aliyy, Fateemah, Hussain, Aboo Fadhl, Muhammad Al Mahdi.

Also making Takfir of wives and companions!

I'm in my house, come and beat me!

lol . Be careful of what you wish for oooo.

sisqology:
Shakes my head and walks away

Shake my head and walk away since its a first person pronoun

WotzupNG:
No

Perhaps you should know the integrity of the person I addressed before taking sides

WotzupNG:
Ignore the truth.

I replied all that mentioned me except him. Doesn't that tell you something.? Are you his partner in crime?

Besmirching the good name of the Senate by behaving like a babbling bumbling band of baboons.
It's not like they ever had a good name

IgboticGirl:
Osi should be very carefully this days because anything he do this days can b used against him

Anything he does

^^^^
Same way I have always ignored almost all your mentions in religion section will you also be ignored here

SnowJay92:
Unstability, crisis and killings (sorry I used those words), that have been associated with Islam in the past are always blamed on misguided elements or misled people, so we shouldn't be doing things or making policies that would make more people vulnerable and easily used or brainwashed, that has been the point I've been trying to make the whole time.

We could have had a peaceful argument and maybe I would have seen your point too, but you've given me all manner of insults. But it's okay, let's end this discourse.

Think of Arabic in the northern perspective as an avenue for eliminating blind following rather than a fuel for crisis . I already gave you reasons why you should

mapet:
Why don't you start by telling us IF you were forced to study Arabic in JSS 2

What is absolutely balderdash is the wrong impression that Arabic is "Affiliated" to Islamic religion. Yes, a variant of Arabic is the liturgical language of Islam and that is only logical because Arabic is the language spoken by the people in the country where Islam started. Beyond that limited view, Arabic predated Islam for starters and has its place in evolution, science and commerce.

Even the western world "borrowed" some concepts from other languages and Arabic inclusive. Insights from Arabic influenced many aspects of studies mathematics.........most importantly Arabic is one of the official Languages of the United Nations

no one is forcing anybody to study Arabic. The option of French is there yet they are complaining. I really don't know how some people reason

mapet:
In as much as you make your argument and that should be respected, what I find disingenuous is your attempt to muddle things up to buttress your supposed points

1. @ the bolded - It was the CAN president (Revd Dr. Supo Ayokunle) that made the ridiculous statement and not the Ministry of Education. Ridiculous as the statement sounds, Revd Ayokunle till date is yet to justify this assertion with data.

2. Arabic studies was introduced into the Nigerian curriculum over 30yrs ago and not of recent.

Well said sir

SnowJay92:
I'm worried about the political implications, it's modifying the almajiri thing. Making people blind and very backward from the current happenings of the world, in order to be readily available for religious wars, and political advantage, like it has always been in this country.

I think this is where you are getting it all wrong . The notion that that introduction of this language will cause more brain washing and hence Boko Haram.
If at this point in time you still believe that Boko Haram are Muslims trying to implement Islam in 9ja and hence are hell bent on killing Christians, then you are the most gullible person I know (no offense intended) . The Boko Haram of today is totally different from that of yusuf and if you can't see it, I would be forced to ask of you are a Nigerian?
Secondly majority the people who were being brainwashed then didn't study Arabic, they only listen to their leaders that studied Arabic and what they told Quran says is what they will believe And is final . Assuming these people could understand Arabic, do you think they could easily be told different and brainwashed when they themselves could understand the language of the Quran?

You equally have this wrong notion that Arabic is being introduced now, and for the umpteenth time, you are wrong. I am from edo state, my father spoke, understood and could write Arabic. I understand Arabic perfectly. Majority of the Muslims you see can read Arabic. ....so Arabic isn't new in Nigeria. It has always been there. So I caution you on the use of "a new language is introduced"

Whatever hatred you have for buhari's government or Islam, please keep it aside and analyse this issue objectively

SnowJay92:
No one is getting information from their asses. Read

http://punchng.com/french-as-nigerias-second-language/

http://allafrica.com/stories/201602250048.html

http://thesummary.com.ng/index.php/news-categories/national/item/5688-fg-announces-nigeria-s-second-official-language



Infact Google is always your friend. Now contrast with this...

https://www.nairaland.com/3496691/hurray-hausa-nigerias-second-official

The person that made the post about what did he/she have in mind?

In all the links you provided sir, none supports your claim.
You explicitly stated that French is our second official languages as seen below in your post

SnowJay92:
I personally think that just like everything else that doesn't overly tilt to their advantage, some people are so unhappy with French being the second official language of Nigeria after English, hence the introduction of Arabic, to complete and take over from the former. The question is who does all these frivolous scheming help?

Your links are cases of "could be" or "might be " in the future. None of them specifically stated that French is our second official language. One even also considered Hausa could also be chosen as our second official language. So your proof is dead on arrival.
Do you now believe you are the one searching for snow in Nigeria ?

ollah1:
I wonder where they get their informationa from. Perhaps from their asses

After the evidence he gave me for my request as primary school social studies as his source, I think it's safer to stay away from his likes. Too much hate in him

sirfee:
It is a pleasure,I'm a humanist and a deist though I'm from a Christian background. I don't discriminate because I believe in only one race which is the human race,I have uncles who believe in Allah,some are traditionalists,some believe in the Holy Trinity etc.I read the bible,quran etc to know more about these religions and their dictum,everyone has the right to freedom of religion,expression,life,movement etc


The most important thing is love,without love there can never be peace and unity.Have a great day

I feel like giving you a brotherly hug.. ...

SnowJay92:
Newsflash: Do you know the reason the schemers of this Arabic language thing give for the introduction? That there are not enough French teachers to teach French, can you imagine that?

I am not aware of this. Any proof to this statement?

Tell me are not not more people with knowledge in more useful languages in Nigeria than that Arabic? Now consider that and tell me whomever came up with this scheme does have ulterior motives.

In all honesty, there aren't more people with other languages knowledge than Arabic. I feel like you haven't been to the north.

SnowJay92:
I personally think that just like everything else that doesn't overly tilt to their advantage, some people are so unhappy with French being the second official language of Nigeria after English, hence the introduction of Arabic, to complete and take over from the former. The question is who does all these frivolous scheming help?

Are you telling me that French is an official language of Nigeria? Any evidence for this? Do we even have 2nd official language?

I know of Arabic speaking tribe in Nigeria but that can't be said for French.

Go to Wikipedia and type languages of Nigeria. Arabic is one of them incase you don't know. Arabic has been part of Nigeria for a long long time.

sirfee:
You made a good point and once again I appreciate your maturity.


Do you know that some of the jobless graduates out there are familiar with these languages,I'm speaking from experience.I have friends who schooled in Benin republic,some of them studied languages like Spanish,French etc.Go to University of Calavi(Abomey)in Benin republic if you are still doubting.



I have been to Italian school in Lekki and to my surprise,there are black teaching and non teaching staff in this school.We can achieve it if we are determined and sincere with ourselves. God bless Nigeria and Africa.

Wow. That's a surprise. I knew we had many Nigerian French speakers and francophones but never knew it's almost same for Some other other languages.

But CAN and other aggrieved parties are just not okay with Arabic as part of the languages. They feel Arabic is Islamic language. Shouldn't the right thing to do is for them to advocate for a language that they feel is better for the christian kids to be included? So that we will now have three options ( Arabic(islam)/French/Christian language).

It is true most Muslims speak Arabic, myself included. We are taught from when we are kids(though basically reading and in some cases understanding) . Do we even have a Christian language ? Is it Hebrew? How many Christan families speak, understand and teach their kids Hebrew? How many famous pastors in Nigeria can speak Hebrew?
I think this idea of CAN always antagonising anything perceived to favour Muslims is becoming very childish. Instead they should table a parallel view that favours them too to the fg too.

I really respect and appreciate your way of critically analysing things as they should be without veil of sentimental attachment. This is one of those times I enjoy been here.

sirfee:
I appreciate your sincerity and maturity,do you know that we have different foreign schools in Nigeria.Here on the island in Lagos,we have Italian,Dutch etc schools.A serious and active government can partner with these schools to help and educate her people.On the contrary,a failed country like Nigeria would rather sponsor her citizens to Jerusalem or Mecca.The Arabic,English or French teachers didn't fall from heaven.Good morning.

Thanks sir. You see at the end of the day, it boils down to how unserious our government is. Many things the government should do but isn't.

So they would always take the easy way out that wouldn't lead them spending more money as long as it doesn't profit them.

With all due respect to these schools, do you honestly think these whites would want to send their white folks to government schools to teach? How much will they be paid? How much can fg pay them especially in this economic mess we find ourselves in? Even if they are ready to spend alot in that, what will be the situation of other teachers? Wouldn't they advocate for salary increase?

Let's assume they will use graduates of their schools to teach these languages. Who would spend hundreds of thousands or millions of naira (might be wrong though) to study a particular language only to be A teacher in a public school paid 30k monthly( a very Highly unrealistic salary tag) ?


We are talking about supplying teachers to Primary and secondary schools in the whole Of Nigeria. Remind me again how many of these language schools have we.


Arabic and French on the other hand have always been in our system for a very long time. I took Arabic in my WAEC AND NECO and when I wrote GCE, I met some friends who were writing French and they weren't from dedicated language schools but government schools. One of them was from a private school and the other two government schools.


The point and the ultimate reality is that sourcing for teachers for these languages that arent too common is a herculean task for the fg. And it's understandable why they would pick French and Arabic.

Marhyaam:
ina lillahi waina ilaehi rojeeun(from u Allah we come and unto you we shall return).I lost my immediate elder sister few hours ago and I pray may Almighty Allah forgive all her sins and grant her ALJANA FIRDAUS......pls I need your dua's for her...JAZAKUMULLAHI KHAIRAN

Ameen

sirfee:
1)The Christians; CRS is now a theme under another subject

SIR, Did it also occur to you that the Muslims' IRS is now a theme under another subject? Why are Christians the ones complaining?

2)The introduction of two selective languages in a secular and developing nation like Nigeria is nothing but conspiracy by the religious bigots to achieve their selfish aims.They should include Spanish,German,Portuguese or Italian to the list to avoid infringement on the right to liberty of the Nigerian students.

Sir, what you are suggesting isn't implementable. Where do you find abundant Spanish, German Portuguese or Italian teachers in Nigeria? Can't you see that we have abundant French and Arabic speakers and teachers in Nigeria?

Religion is the major problem with Africa especially Nigeria,history has been removed from our curriculum but a language like Arabic is been made a subject.Even in the middle east they study other languages and history. Nigeria is a mess.

It's true history needs to be brought back. But that doesn't mean we can't have international language study too

valleygirl:
Why are we not studying Chinese we trade with? I am sure the phone you use to type the above is made in China.

Where are we supposed to find Chinese teachers ?

stilldoingokay:
Arabic is a language not a religion and there have Christians and Muslims let stop all those hate. and I also condemn the removing of the Christins religion from the school

Christian religion wasn't removed from THE school oooo. BTW which school are we talking about?

Anikulhapo:
Even Yoruba and Igbo are not compulsory, so y should arabic be?

And has anyone made Arabic compulsory ?

sirfee:
Right to liberty.

Whose liberty? The Christians or Muslims or all?
And is introduction of two selective languages an opposition to this right? How so?

Omexonomy:
then why do they wittle or collapse crk? Only the truth shall set us free

Crk and?
Compete that if you are indeed honest.. ...or was it only crk that was affected?

Eno38151:
Have you ever read HEBREW in your life??

How many of your pastors & CAN members actually speak HEBREW,

Have you ever been to church and then the pastor just decided to deliver his full talk in hebrew. ??

Dont run away from reality If HEBREW IS the TONGUE of CHRISTIANITY then ENGLISH must be its SALIVA.

Well said sir

Teeeecash:
Must u brand the language satanic ? uhn. . . . troll

Please tell him we also have "satanic" Arabic Bible

Eno38151:
How does it infringe upon the rights of the non muslims?

Desperately waiting to hear the reply to this question

sirfee:
Yes it is,you must be a Muslim for saying this.I'm neither a Christian nor a Muslim but I'm against this move because it is nothing but an infringement on the civil rights of non muslim students in this country.The northern conspirators should be extremely careful because we are not in the middle east or Mecca.Nigeria is a secular state with numerous ethnic groups,norms,languages,culture,traditions, religions etc.They should respect our fundamental human rights,we are not living in Afghanistan or Yemen.

Can you state which fundamental human right has been trampled on