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nuclearboy:
Uktomi:

You "KNOW"? Well, to tell you the truth, I "BELIEVE" HE IS NOT a freemason. But I do NOT "know". There is only one way you can know, brother, and that is if you are a freemason and are telling us he is not one of you.

What I "know" is this - A Freemason will not dare stand against the society publicly and call them evil. That informs my statement - just say "God forbid me, a servant of Jesus Christ and a believer in the Most High God, should join a cult such as the freemasons". That would make many keep quiet about him (at least on cultism claims).

Someone could argue "should he then swear to everything (tithes, fraud, holiness etc, etc, etc)"? Well, Paul practically ensured everyone knew where he stood in no uncertain terms and there's no reason why someone who particularly likes Paul and says such as the Apostle James has baby-teeth, should not follow Paul's example.

All of these things, bro, are based on morality. It might be legal but not morally expedient for a Christian leader to keep quiet (feigning ignorance) in the face of so many allegations of wrong.

Think about my post again and you'll see I'm supporting him on this. But I'd like his help with it

I do not belong to free mason. but I know what i am telling you. Ps Chris do not need anybody to defend him. Your support for him is not even necessary. It is a personal race. I often watch him on the cable though the channel is no longer on the particular cable i use. If I have studied him well, one of these days, he may speak on it. If you notice him, he rarely comments on accusations and all these but now and then , he may chip in a word on it. Also, I know how to get any information on him and his family. I know somebody that is very close, extreme close to the family and we talk often. The person is known to the family on first name basis. The fellow enters the oyaks family house as often as possible.One of the guys in my office is also well known to the family especially Ken, Ps Chris younger brother. Funny enough, he used to attend CEC but no more. His parents are in Deeper Life and dragging him.

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What is the meaning of this?

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nuclearboy:
^^^ Basically then, this was just another "public relations" stunt! And I was just so happy and ready to believe the man was sincere, not hype seeking

The pronouncement I sought was simple - publicly (at least to re-assure those who doubt) say you're not a freemason or cultist of any type, address such fears and state publicly that all such groups are evil and satan-worshippers
Public Relations! Christian marketing

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Well, I know fully well that he is not a Freemason neither cultist. But peeps can dial the number and listen to the some of the answers and then come to Nland and lets discuss.

mabell:
Hello there!
have you being trying to reach pastor chris to ask questions but to no avail?
well here's a great opportunity for you
just call 234(1) 2554040
i'll be expecting your feedback

I dialed the number and a pre-recoreded female voice answered. The number is like of the customer care in the banks, telecom and other places. it asked me to press specific numbers to answers to questions already sent to Ps Chris. When I pressed one of the numbers, Ps Chris voice came on answering the questions already sent to him, that is, recorded voice. I thought mabell said we could reach him directly on the number

Zikkyy:
What’s the guarantee the person at the other end is actually pastor chris and not Joagbaje

it was nt Joagbaje's voice. I once listened to ps Joe Agbaje of CEC Yenogoa on his trip to healing school, SA. I cant remember the source, so if it is the same Joe, then I know his voice

mabell, give us direct access now. I burnt my credit to try the number

cj2008:
GUESS AMODU IS LOVING DIS,

lets invite Amodu to qualify us for the next World Cup. Then an oyinbo to come and take us to the finals after qualification. On Amodu is our hope

goal. Swiss scores

Honestly the story makes a lot of sense to me. I know that I am born again but there is no extra ordinary experience like that of Saul of Tarsus. I remember a preacher asking me of my salvation testimony in 1989 or there about.   . I quoted , That God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,........... but have eternal life." He took me to the cleaners saying that I do not have a testimony neither saved. . Actually I was born and brought up a catholic and from the age of 7 was already aware of hell, heaven, angels etc. I attended catechism from a very young age.
Later at the age of 14 I joined the Charismatic movement in my local church. I didn't get born again within this period but got saved three or four years later.
But I didn't know that the right word for what happened to me is called salvation, saved or born again . It was years after while in the university that I understond it to be called born again . In Catholic Charismatic circles, we used to call it changing of life style(in vernacular). Within me, I know that something significant happened. All my interests,affections, focus changed. I cant point to any one as my pastor or mentor. It is only now I point to the pastor of my local assembly as my pastor.In growing as a christian, apart from the bible, I studied a lot of stuff from Radio Bible Class( Now Resources for Bible Communication or Class). I used their devotional, Daily Bread a lot and still buys if i see one.
At university some of my friends usually talk of reckless lives they lived before been saved but I never lived one.they made it to look like, if you have never lived a rough life, you are not ready for Christianity. But I have my own challenges and weakness to deal with. God helped me.
In essence, God uses several ways to bring us into the kingdom. It must not be the same for everybody. I have never met TBJ but he said he was the leader of SU in his school.How did he become the leader of SU if he wasn't born again or saved  then?

Gunnaz007:
^^ I apologize for my shakara "shattap yelling"! There was no stress in it at all
Shalom

no hard feelings. love binds us. The love of God

nuclearboy:
@Uktomi:

I don't get your point in the post above about your suprise at my post. I believe biomes2001 is wrong and my response was to find support from scripture for my position and present it to him as logically as I know how. That was my approach in the other thread too. My rebuke of these chaps here was not meant to insult but to address and probably awaken them to the seeming cultish idea of defending CE, not christianity. I find it strange that a christian cares not for God's Name but highly esteems his pastors name or that of his church. One starts to wonder which is being worshipped.

okay, I think i understand you better now. no hard feelings. from all i have read so far on different posts, members of different churches often rise to defend their churches when ever an issue concerning them crops up. I dont think it is peculiar to CE. But I presume that their stance arises from the frequent attacks on CE. Some of the accusations I have read are baseless. I prefer when a poster comes up with hard facts and figures not hear say.

I read your contribution on the other post about a CE lady in your place. I think you have the right as a believer to call her and have a little talk with her. Just my thoughts anywhere. If she is a believer, you can caution for bringing reproach on the body of Christ.
more posts later.going to sleep

Gunnaz007:
^^^My friend shattap dia!!!

biomes' spiritual myopia on sunday worship and keeping the sabbath is enough to class him as an adventist!!!! However, I accept my bad for rushing to conclude on his place of worship!!!

By d way, how did u know biomes is not an adventist? Have u interacted with him b4? Because u posted the above b4 biomes made his previous two replies afta several days of opening the thread; or is biomes also ukotmi? U had beta unlocked this mystery!!!

And u were quick to say i made unsubstantiated conclusions about biomes' place of worship; i see; how about biomes' unsubstantiated conclusions about oyedepo and oyakhilome?

biomes must show us videos or photos of the men of God he accused as cultist partaking in initiation rites or attending freemasonic meetings (not pictures of their mannerisms captured while they are preaching to their congregation and hear-says!!!) to substantiate his claims, else, he has commited a grave sin b4 God and man for character assasination and wickedly imagined, conjured/conjective lies against these men!!!

Haba, beloved e never reach make you tell  me to shattap. I was not referring to your post when i asked "is biomes an Adventist?" I asked the question in general terms and not to poke fun. Go thru my posts and you will discover that ukotmi is not the same as biomes. click on my profile and then on last posts. I have always called for believers to major on fundamentals that define us as Christians and not frills of hair style,whether to wear suit or agbada to preach etc. 
Read my several contributions. I always advocate caution giving the other person a benefit of doubt. Incidental I play Buchi, Sinach all CE singers while driving.

nuclearboy:
@biomes2001:

For Christians, you suprised me here - you're rejoicing that you found something over biomes2001. Not one single attempt to find/show truth from the Bible. Just a matter of "you abused my pastor" and now I have the chance to attack you too. Where is God in all of that? Abi chris"T" is THE ONE, not God?  This then is an example of what most complain about, not that they hate you.

bros, you surprised me with the above post. Though I understand your stance. On the thread where biomes made a number of sweeping accusations, you called for caution but some christians went ahead to accuse others of what they could not provide any iota of proof. Infact, you predicted that if biomes allegations are discovered to be otherwise, it would amount to a loss of face. A man is presumed innocent until proved guilty bit it baffles me that christians are always the first to launch unwarranted and unsubstantiated attacks on other christians. I have taken time severally in my little way to advocate that we focus on the majors and not the minors. The more of God we know, the more sober we become as a result of seeing our imperfections that we are living by His grace.

I have may several issues or points of disagreement with several pastors, but they are not fundamental to my salvation. But I doff my hat to your advice on the other thread.

Gunnaz007:
hahaha so dis biometric dude that goes about downloading pics of d oyedepos and oyakhilomes as freemasons, is an adventist dude!!!

Biomes, u hide behind keyboards to attack others and pouring "contrived" and "wickedly imagined" conclusions on the finger/wrist/fist mannerisms of this men (captured while they are preaching or addressing a gatherin), while hiding d sect u belong to, but dis post has exposed u.

I suppose since d devil has taken ova all available signs that one can make with his fingers, then everyone wud just hav to glue his/her fingers together so as not to be seen as a mason, satanist, illums, reptilian, luciferian, buccaneer, eiye, ogede,,,, huhn - shame on u biomes ,,, big shame. The next time your rabbi preaches from d seventh day adventist pulpit, watch out for him, cos he is gonna flash d devil long-horn salute or d 3six sign bro!!!

Come on biomes, if i am addressing a crowd, and i'v got to show the "1" sign with my fingers, i wud!!! And if i'v got to show the "3" sign with any of my fingers, i wud!!! And if i'v got to fold my wrist as a lion's claw, i wud!!!! Whateva sign i've got to use my fingers to express, i wud use them to express QED!!!! D devil cant dictate to me which finger/fist/wrist signs i am gonna use in my expressions and which i am not!!!!
Dis is d same myopic reasonin dat made supposed Jewish christians in d days of Apostle Paul to restrict others from eating certain food - such as meat, of which the apostles preached against!!!

The links posted by Petres above are quite revealin; has shown me why biomes' dad was in the masonry for 59 years (lol - maybe 'am exagerating) and y biomes is still spinning at the 22nd degree of the scottish rite (after 19 years of studies initiation rites)


Your prophetess ellen white, i can now see, is a "true prophetess" with "luciferic seizures" in place of 'visions'; as in, if you are not keeping jewish laws (of which Jesus fulfilled and abolished - Ephesians 2:15), then u'r not a christian; the same thing d apostles kicked against huhn

biomes i now understand were u'r comin from,,, hehehehe. All d best! hehehehe!
U guys in d adventist call urselfs "Jews"; hehehehe "Fake" Jews indeed!!!

Bring it on bro

Is Biomes an Adventist?
Well I sensed something fishy when i read his posts on body gestures and signs. I will be back to comment fully by the time I read nuclearboy's reaction. he cautioned aletheia and others to tread cautiously on the so called revelations of Masonic membership of some pastors. well, I think the mind set and motive of some posters is been made bare.It is sad for a number of respected xtian posters on nairaland to easily jump to funny unsubstantiated conclusions. In essence, they are not sure of the very facts they are posting. How sad

Mexico scores. good goal.[/i] sips water and continued writing articles for Monday[i]. Watches TV now and then concentrates on Nairaland my own peeps zone.

Bafana Bafana misses. Yellow for Bafana Bafana player

nas 00:
^^^ What is the meaning of small chops?
Chops of firewood or something?   What kind of language is this?
, cos definitely, this can't be english

Sorry oga oyinbo repete. I mean finger foods. All these small edibles they pack in paper packs for take away or for take away

Bafana bafana scores.  

Half time.  [/i] picks some small chops from an assistant's table. stretches legs and yawns. Work plenty. paper goes to bed today and my desk peeps are delaying.[i]

South Africa (Bafana Bafana) number 13 gets yellow. Mexico goal dis allowed. wetin happen?

Bafana Bafana misses   . Hope this match go allow me finish my pages.   .  Another save. bafana bafana goal keeper saves. . Free kick to South Africa. Wish Drogba is in their team.

First foul. , Second foul. na karate be this

Mexico nearly scored .  Bafana Bafana need watch it

Watching from my office. ah, what a distraction. Thankful that I have written my cover page for Monday.

lipuka:
We keep on having these preachers who claim to perform miracles on Television all the time. But we have many sick people in hospitals, we have many disabled people in special schools and homes. Many more are found on streets begging every day. So if they are genuine, why don't these preachers go to these hospitals or institutions, or just walk along the streets of any city and cure all the sick and disabled? That is what Jesus did, why not them? It would cost them nothing, and they would convert more people and make them even more famous

dumb post.

Sacked from Oceanic bank. worked in Corporate Affairs Dept. More later

Misoki:
you could be wise if you could give us the number of that yours

It is a pity that I never bothered about the number. The church is in Koko, Kebbi State where I did my NYSC. I enjoyed my service and often long for those wonderful brethren in that elephant grass structure. The grass cathedral should be about the size of a class room filled with people longing for God

alexleo:
The race is all about making heaven at last. st Paul also said it, 1Cor 15.19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ,we are all men most miserable. Jesus also said- luke 13.24 Strive to enter through the narrow gate. Christian maturity is good but if christian maturity is the crazy materialistic pursuit and crazy dressing which is not different from that of love-peddlers which seems to be the order of the day in CEC, then am sorry you people have missed it. Whats maturity when your so called brothers and sisters appear the same way like love-peddlers and wordly men? Whats maturity when you pursue money in such a crazy and probably unholy way the world pursues it? Remember- by their fruits ye shall know them. But one thing about you people is that you seem to misinterpret the Bible to suit your whims and caprices but the fact remains that God's word remains unchanged weather you like it or not. When the apostles where first called christians there was a difference between their life style and appearance before the people of that land could call them that name christian. But today you people are deceiving the world to dress anyhow and probably behave anyhow and still answer christians. If you doubt what am saying, just find time and go deep in prayer with God and ask him to give you real salvation, make you a genuine born again not the one you raise up your hand and repeat after the prayer of the pastor. I mean personal interaction with God. When you stand up from that prayer if you prayed it sincerely, your spiritual eyes will open well and you ll begin to hate most of those things you people are taught in CEC.

So what have you said? I love dressing in traditional wears, some xtians took me to task on the need to wear suits and ties. I love dressing casually, the same problem. Now how do we know somebody who is born again? The truth is that if one begins to observe what goes on in all the churches, he will stop going to church. Mark my words. By the nature of my job and lifestyle, I have lots of info on things that would shock the average xtian in most of the main stream born again churches. From Redeemed to CEC, to Deeper Life,Winners, Bible Life, Chosen, Watchman, etc.
But we are all on a journey to perfection.
My point: It is wrong to single out any church

The same I always harp on. When people react to posts, they refuse to read between the lines of the preceding post.

Joagbaje:
You are not correct. The message of CEC is about the divine life of God in the christian . The new creation. Your dominion over sin , sickness, death, poverty and over the devil. This is based on the teachings of Christ,Paul, and john. How many tapes of CEC have you listened to to come to your conclusion.

The Christian race is not how to enter heaven. The Christian race is toward perfection (maturity) [b]We are not trying to make heaven. We have heavenly life already. [/b]If your message is teching Christians how to make heaven , youve missed it already. Gods expectation is for us to mature and grow into the fulness of Christ and Fullness of God.

Look at the highlighted part of the quote above. Joagbaje is saying that the believer has the Heavenly life in him already therefore heaven is his destination. He did not belittle heaven in any way. My thoughts

bee444:
So Jesus sat at the comfort of his house and preached abi? So the best thing to do now is to only minister to his own members, what happens to other ministries that wants him to come over?

Abi he doesn't want other Pastors to know something about him ni? I know you can justify his reasons to not going to other Churches o, but abegi make una fear God and ask yourself this simple question; "how come our Pastor is the only Pastor in the world that doesn't like preaching in other Churches?

I'm not against him o, don't get me wrong. I think he's a fine Pastor.

N/Landers and comments without verification. Okay. Learnt he runs an International School of Ministry (ISM) in South Africa for pastors from other churches. It is in one of their magazines. Only last year did Pastor Kumuyi step out of Deeper Life to preach at Redeem.Muoka is yet to preach in another church, ditto for Ohalebo of Watchman . So he is not alone. I don't know if Olukoya of MFM preaches in other churches, like wise Leonard of Bible Life.
So what are CEC peeps to fear in terms of their pastor not preaching in other churches. Mind you, these pastors had spent a considerable part doing person to person preaching before starting their ministries.

mabell:
pastor chris is not a globe trotting preacher. He prefers to rather reach the world from his studio. He has [b]TV programs [/b]over the air waves and via the net. He also has viewing centres in the UK, NIGERIA,AMERICA and SOUTH AFRICA. He only organises programs in different parts of the globe like WORD MISSION, ENTER THE HEALING SCHOOL, NIGHT OF BLISS, YOUTH CONFERENCE e.t.c and also the INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL OF MINISTRY where pastors from other denominations world over attend.
You can get more information about the tv stations in the rhapsody of realities daily devotional and in www.christembassy.org

CEC calls it TV Ministry and not programme

immargee:
lol! two daughters? and you said they are fine? lol are they collee age?

. You are asking too much. I think one of them is called and they are almost in their teens. You want the magazine? I can tell the office boys to look for it. All the family members are featured in it.

sneaks out again

I have the largest attendance. You can worship with us in our Grass Cathedral. It is constructed with sticks with some elephant grass to shield us from sun

Peeps, I served in Kebbi State 1998. The service year was eventful and full of fond memories. It helped me see life in the core north on a first person basis. After collecting the call up letter, I took off for Sokoto via Onitsha. At Onitsha, night buses travelling to Sokoto leave by 12 pm in order to reach its destination as early as 5 am. On boarding the bus, I discovered it was filled with prospective corps members travelling to Sokoto and Kebbi. I saw a fellow malabite as UNICAL guys are called and we started gisting. Man, the journey was smooth and the road far. We passed various landmark towns such as Gusau, Funtua, Kawuranamoda etc.
The bus, God Bless Ezenwata pulled into the park at 4 am. We were hit and assaulted by severe cold and offensive smells. . As soon the Muslims finished their morning prayers, we entered a 404 station wagon and hit the road to Arugungu Fishing Village, the venue of the orientation camp. we arrived at the camp and guess the first people that welcomed us Muslim corpers. You need to see them. We registered since we were the first to arrive in the camp . We were allocated hut 4 opposite the registration centre. Time for breakfast at the mammy market. Asking for eba and egusi soup, the yoruba food seller gave me a plate of stew with few white specks identified as egusi . Closed my eyes and managed to swallow the worm expel disguised as soup.

The huts were okay. contains two double beds and a toilet. Water rushes and there was constant power supply. That evening, i picked up my bible and headed for the NCCF centre and had a nice fellowship. imagine hundreds of xtian corpers from different tribes and schools lifting up holy hands in praise . There I met other xtians I have known from UNICAL.
The next day the orientation proper kicked off with the soldiers teaching us songs like "how many soldiers corpers kill,who give am belle. etc I was assigned to platoon one made up of corpers like my self who enjoy doing things their own way. While other platoons were singing during morning jogs, my platoon would be jogging silently. When one corper came from another platoon to lead us in song, we quickly dismissed him asking him who made him a songito over us?
While other hut members were preparing for morning jogs, i will lock the door thru one of the broken panes, cover my lean body with blanket and sleep off in the cold. The soldiers on seeing the pad lock on the door would think that all corpers were out jogging .

More to come

So you want to see whether peeps get injured when he says take it and they fall down or you want you to see his wife preaching. . I read you sometime ago on another thread where you were asking about him. Well, according to a magazine brought to my former office, he has two daughters. I have forgotten their names. They needed my company's participation in the magazine. The two daughters were featured. They look so cute and fine. His wife I learnt also pastors the UK main branch where she stays with the kids. For his schedule, why not seek for the nearest CEC church and ask them. Unless NLanders who attend CEC answer you, there is no way you will know it on Nland.

Ukotmi escapes and sneaks out thru the backdoor before bin accused of knowing too much about CEC so as not to be implicated in anything that happens

immargee:
How do we find pastor Chris's schedule,

Una wan kidnap am? CEC members oya. sound the alarm. runs and hides to see whether the kidnappers are coming

bobbymick:
I disagreed, when you said it is Pastor Adeboye what of Pastor Kumuyi the general oversea for deeper l[/b]ife bible church.

Is it now a contest for church members to vote their GOs as the most popular .