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The use of “this” in the NT tells us that what’s being identified is near either in time or distance. By changing “this” to “the,” the entire meaning of the verse changes. Instead of a specific generation, it now reads as if it could be any generation. “This” is a near demonstrative, and as the name suggests points “to someone or something ‘near,’ in close proximity.”] Near demonstratives “appear as the singular word ‘this’ and its plural ‘these.’ The distant demonstratives, as their name suggests, appear as ‘that’ (singular), or ‘those’ (plural).” The near demonstrative “this” is used nearly 950 times in the NT, and it always refers “to something comparatively near at hand, just as ekeinos [that] refers to something comparatively farther away.”

Haba mana. The definite article "this" was even added

winner01:
Seeing that you have accepted your downfall on the concept of the cud .

I con tire for you oo, Jesus was simply giving an indication of future events. The concept of Generation is a classical concept. Psalm 24:6 speaks of the generation that seek Him.
Does that sound exclusively for a present generation?

Read the generation concept in other Scriptures (Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20; Revelation 3:11; 22:7,12,20).




"Sink the Bible to the bottom of the ocean, and still man's obligations to God would be unchanged. He would have the same path to tread, only his lamp and guide would be gone; the same voyage to make, but his chart and compass would be overboard!"-Henry Ward Beecher

Generation referred to the people at that time. Your argument is by far the poorest argument I have heard. Instead of accepting that an error was made you then resort to playing with the meanings o words. Generation refers to a lifetime.

So for 17 times in the gospel the word generation has always referred to the life of his contemporaries while for the single verse of his failed coming it does not. Makes sense.

Have u guys ever stopped to think that other religions make the claim that there are scientific facts in their scriptures

Christian apologist cs Lewis dubbed this as the most embarrassing verse in the bible.

For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory (majesty, splendor) of His Father with His angels, and then He will render account and reward every man in accordance with what he has done.

28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom Matthew 16 verses 27 to 28.

34 Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a
definite, given period) will not pass away till all these thingstaken together take place.

Hebrew literal reading for Leviticus ; to maketh the cud ascend up. This doesn't even happen. The cud can only ascend up when regurgitated.

winner01:
Can you list out the errors in the chapter, cos e be lyk say na only your eyes get infrared error detector

Jesus made it clear that his coming was to be in the lifetime of his disciples. Now it's over 2000 years. The disciples are all dead.
HONEST CONCLUSION ; PROPHECY FAILED

KingEbukasBlog:
pls what's the point of this ?

My point is that when we show you any error in your bible. You start twisting words and giving them meanings they never had. But for this chapter that can't be done for

This is one chapter no amount of word twisting can be done for

Ladies and gentlemen I give you Matthew chapter 24

 While He was seated on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately and said, Tell us, when will this take place, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end (the completion, the consummation) of the age?

4 Jesus answered them, Be careful that no one misleads you [deceiving you and leading you into error].

5 For many will come in (on the strength of) My name [appropriating the name which belongs to Me], saying, I am the Christ (the Messiah), and they will lead many astray.

6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened or troubled, for this must take place, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in place after place;

8 All this is but the beginning [the early pains] of the birth pangs [of the intolerable anguish].

9 Then they will hand you over to suffer affliction and tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.

10 And then many will be offendedand repelled and will begin to distrust and desert [Him Whom they ought to trust and obey] andwill stumble and fall away and betray one another and pursue one another with hatred.

11 And many false prophets will rise up and deceive and lead many into error.

12 And the love of the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness andiniquity,

13 But he who endures to the end will be saved.

14 And this good news of the kingdom (the Gospel) will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.

15 So when you see the appalling sacrilege [the abomination that astonishes and makes desolate], spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place—let the reader take notice and ponderand consider and heed [this]—

16 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains;

17 Let him who is on the housetop not come down and go into the house to take anything;

18 And let him who is in the field not turn back to get his overcoat.

19 And alas for the women who are pregnant and for those who have nursing babies in those days!

20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.

21 For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now—no, and never will be [again].

22 And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would endure and survive, but for the sake of the elect (God’s chosen ones) those days will be shortened.

23 If anyone says to you then, Behold, here is the Christ (the Messiah)! or, There He is!—do not believe it.

24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).

25 See, I have warned you beforehand.

26 So if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness (desert)—do not go out there; if they tell you, Behold, He is in the secret places or inner rooms—do not believe it.

27 For just as the lightning flashes from the east and shines and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

28 Wherever there is a fallen body (a corpse), there the vultures (or eagles) will flock together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mournand beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor].

31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the universe to the other.

32 From the fig tree learn this lesson: as soon as its young shoots become soft and tender and it puts out its leaves, you know of a surety that summer is near.

33 So also when you see these signs,all taken together, coming to pass, you may know of a surety that He is near, at the very doors.

34 Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these thingstaken together take place.

35 Sky and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

36 But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

winner01:
Dung are waste products, caecotropes are partially digested food. So the Bible certainly knows exactly what it meant.

What exactly do you seek



"There came a time in my life when I doubted the divinity of the Scriptures, and I resolved as a lawyer and a judge I would try the Book as I would try anything in the courtroom, taking evidence for and against. It was a long, serious and profound study and using the same principles of evidence in this religious matter as I always do in secular matters, I have come to the decision that the BIBLE is a supernatural Book, that it has come from GOD, and that the only safety for the human race is to follow its teachings"- Salmon P. Chase

www.nairaland.com/2746916/how-did-genesis-writer-gain/2#40240726


www.nairaland.com/2746916/how-did-genesis-writer-gain/2#40240726


No matter how Christians try to play with the meanings of words to fit their scripture. There just is one chapter that do that for.
This chapter of the bible has been Said to be the most embarrassing verse in the bible.

winner01:
Dung are waste products, caecotropes are partially digested food. So the Bible certainly knows exactly what it meant.

What exactly do you seek



"There came a time in my life when I doubted the divinity of the Scriptures, and I resolved as a lawyer and a judge I would try the Book as I would try anything in the courtroom, taking evidence for and against. It was a long, serious and profound study and using the same principles of evidence in this religious matter as I always do in way secular matters, I have come to the decision that the BIBLE is a supernatural Book, that it has come from GOD, and that the only safety for the human race is to follow its teachings"- Salmon P. Chase

Why could dung not be used as a general word for caecotropes.

Any way Christians love saying fallacies Any way I think we know who they got this from behold ladies and gentlemen I give u what has been dubbed as the most embarrassing chapter in the bible
Matthew 24 verse 34
 
3 While He was seated on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately and said, Tell us, when will this take place, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end (the completion, the consummation) of the age?

4 Jesus answered them, Be careful that no one misleads you [deceiving you and leading you into error].

5 For many will come in (on the strength of) My name [appropriating the name which belongs to Me], saying, I am the Christ (the Messiah), and they will lead many astray.

6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened or troubled, for this must take place, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in place after place;

8 All this is but the beginning [the early pains] of the birth pangs [of the intolerable anguish].

9 Then they will hand you over to suffer affliction and tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.

10 And then many will be offendedand repelled and will begin to distrust and desert [Him Whom they ought to trust and obey] andwill stumble and fall away and betray one another and pursue one another with hatred.

11 And many false prophets will rise up and deceive and lead many into error.

12 And the love of the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness andiniquity,

13 But he who endures to the end will be saved.

14 And this good news of the kingdom (the Gospel) will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.

15 So when you see the appalling sacrilege [the abomination that astonishes and makes desolate], spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place—let the reader take notice and ponderand consider and heed [this]—

16 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains;

17 Let him who is on the housetop not come down and go into the house to take anything;

18 And let him who is in the field not turn back to get his overcoat.

19 And alas for the women who are pregnant and for those who have nursing babies in those days!

20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.

21 For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now—no, and never will be [again].

22 And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would endure and survive, but for the sake of the elect (God’s chosen ones) those days will be shortened.

23 If anyone says to you then, Behold, here is the Christ (the Messiah)! or, There He is!—do not believe it.

24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).

25 See, I have warned you beforehand.

26 So if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness (desert)—do not go out there; if they tell you, Behold, He is in the secret places or inner rooms—do not believe it.

27 For just as the lightning flashes from the east and shines and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

28 Wherever there is a fallen body (a corpse), there the vultures (or eagles) will flock together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mournand beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor].

31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the universe to the other.

32 From the fig tree learn this lesson: as soon as its young shoots become soft and tender and it puts out its leaves, you know of a surety that summer is near.

33 So also when you see these signs,all taken together, coming to pass, you may know of a surety that He is near, at the very doors.

34 Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these thingstaken together take place.
Matthew 24

winner01:
Cud is partially digested food, Caecotropes are also partially digested food. You cant beat this.
Yeah, the Bible did not say "chew the caecotropes" just like it didnt say the earth is the third planet from the Sun but somehow managed to know that the earth is suspended in space.

I dont know what you are looking for, but you need to start looking in the right places. The Bible is not a science textbook
Did you expect the Bible to go into further biology, how did primitive men know that hares chew partially digested food

This Cud we are talking about, dont you think a 3500 year old definition will be much more wider than a mordern ultra specific one.
Hare was hare then, now we have discovered different species even plants.
Even Weeds now have a different definition.
Stop being desperate and start being objective.




"To what greater inspiration and counsel can we turn than to the imperishable truth to be found in this Treasure House, the BIBLE?"-Queen Elizabeth II

So your God did not see it befitting to use the Hebrew word for dung which is gelel but to saw it fitting to us e the Hebrew word for cud.

Literal Hebrew reading reads as to make cud ascend or to bring up cud.

You Christians are so funny and intellectually dis honest. When u see errors in ur book of pseudo science you decide when a word has multiple meanings. You spin the truth so you can believe in your fairytale.

Christians love playing with the meanings of words that don't suit them.

It's an insult to science to say the bible has scientific information. It deserves to be in the dustbin.

winner01:
Lmao, Maybe you didnt even go through the trouble of reading the link you posted.
Rabbits definately reingest partially digested food, just like ruminants although in a different habit
I didnt say anything different. If you read my post well, i said;


(The link you posted) Wikipedia also agrees with me by saying;
Rabbits reingest their own droppings (rather than chewing the cud as do cows and many other herbivores) to digest their food further and extract sufficient nutrients.
Read more on; Diet and eating habits in the link you posted

So you see my friend, caecotropes are partially digested, and rabbits reingest them. Last i checked ruminants do something very similar but in a different feeding habit.
Now back to my question;

Cc; Ranchhoddas


“I consider an intimate knowledge of the Bible an indispensable quality of a well educated man.”-Dr. Robert Milikan, former President of the California Inst. Of Tech. And Nobel Peace Prize winner

Cud is a bolus of semi-degraded food regurgitated from the reticulorumen of a
ruminant to its mouth.
Cud and caecotropes are not the same. The Bible says they chew their cud. It doesn't say they chew any caecotropes. If you say that reingest partially digested food is same as chewing cud. Then dogs chew the cud because they reingest vomit.
Cud goes from stomach to mouth. Caecotropes are elected from an us.

winner01:
Rabbits reingest partially digested food just like ruminants even though they arnt ruminants. Would it be wrong to think that a roughly 3500 years old definition has the same meaning in totality as a mordern, screened defination.
Why are you desperate?



"All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more & more strongly the truth contained in the Sacred Scriptures".-Sir William Herschel (1738-1822)

Rabbits don't reingest partially digested food. They don't reingest anything at all. They eat their faeces.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit

‘Scientific belief is based on publicly checkable evidence, religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its joy, shouted from the rooftops.’

Christians are quite annoying and always throw their senseless religion in your face everytime and tell you about how you will go tell hell for not being foolish enough to believe in their religion. But Muslims. Even the fanatic ones. Dont even disturb you about their religion. You Christians show up in offices. Schools. Etc saying trash that if u don't believe u will roast in he'll but u get angry when we make comments about your belief.


We are ex converts from christianity. So it is more likely for us to talk about christianity.

Stconvict:
Hmmm. That's hard to believe o.
All through my life up until now, all the people I've met physically are konk religious people. My mum even threatened to disown me recently because of my toothfarianism, I had to joke it out to save myself from missing free meals and shelter.

Oh yeah, I remember some boys from Philosophy when I was in UNILAG, although we were not friends, but I always heard their heated arguments.
I was a bit radical in school about my toothfarianism, but it didn't get me anywhere except for cheap insults and mockery. You know why already. I had no backup singer.

Sometimes I even wonder why I was born to Nigerian parents because if most Nigerians are thinking towards the north, I'm thinking towards the south. Many times I wake up and wonder if everything around me is real. How can so many people be gullible in this part of the world. Why can't they just realise the shit-covered cake they are being offered.

I still think I'm dreaming though. So many people cannot be this dumb. Many of them should have realised as they grow up that they are being fed fairytales. All my life, I've heard of juju and witchcraft and I've not seen any physical (or perhaps spiritual) manifestation of it. People go to church, the fall like trees when pastor touch them. Well many pastors tried that on me, it didn't work. Some even tried applying some force, I stagger back only to regain my balance. The pastor will glance sternly at me and walk away.

Coming to Nairaland to read fellow toothfarians posts seem like the only sane place I can go.

*Sorry for writing so much, all of these just poured out of me. A dude still wondering what the f*ck is wrong with thinking logically.

I FEEL UR PAIN BRO. I SPENT MY LAST SEMESTER IN A ROOM( BIOBAKU HOSTEL UNILAG) OF CLOSE TO 30 AND I COULDN'T FINA ANY LOGICALLY REASONING PERSON. WHEN DISCUSSING ON THEIR CHILDISH RELIGIONS. I COULD ONLY KEEP QUIET. KNOWING THAT TRYING TO MAKE THE SEE REASON WOULD GO TO NO AVAIL

Ranchhoddas:
The christians on this thread have conviniently evaded the verse about the hare chewing it's cud that urahara posted on the first page of this thread.An explanation is required-A Spirit inspired explanation and not the gibberish from answers in genesis.

My guy you are so on point.

Maybe they will say that the cud that God was talking about is a spiritual cud

chiedu7:
Jesus did not tell us to go and blow up people.

Islam is the only religion that preaches killing.

Finally moslems are accepting that islam is violent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Kmp-VHryI

Deutronomy 31
31 The Lord said to Moses,

2 Avenge the Israelites on the Midianites; afterward you shall be gathered to your [departed] people.

3 And Moses said to the people, Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian and execute the Lord’s vengeance on Midian [for seducing Israel].

4 From each of the tribes of Israel you shall send 1,000 to the war.

5 So there were provided out of the thousands of Israel 1,000 from each tribe, 12,000 armed for war.

6 And Moses sent them to the war, 1,000 from each tribe, together with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, with the [sacred] vessels of the sanctuary and the trumpets to blow the alarm in his hand.

7 They fought with Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and slew every male,

8 Including the five kings of Midian: Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba; also Balaam son of Beor they slew with the sword.

9 And the Israelites took captive the women of Midian and their little ones, and all their cattle, their flocks, and their goods as booty.

10 They burned all the cities in which they dwelt, and all their encampments.

11 And they took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast.

12 Then they brought the captives, the prey, and the spoil to Moses and Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the Israelites at the camp on the plains of Moab by Jordan at Jericho.

13 Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the princes or leaders of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp.

14 But Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and of hundreds, who served in the war.

15 And Moses said to them, Have you let all the women live?

16 Behold, these caused the Israelites by the counsel of Balaam to trespass and act treacherously against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and so a [smiting] plague came among the congregation of the Lord.

17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who is not a virgin.

18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.

19 Encamp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves and your captives on the third day and on the seventh day.

You Christians are just hypocrites

KingEbukasBlog:
https://www.nairaland.com/2305535/dealing-misconceptions-10-things-bible

Read and tell me what you think

This is what I have to say

1. On the biblical view of Satan.

The Jews view Satan as a tempter who is only doing God s will. They have never viewed him as the enemy. If you read the old Testament especially Isaiah 14 you would see that it never talks of Satan. It talks of the king Isaiah 14v6 Those who see you will gaze at you and consider you, saying, Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms?
It makes no reference at all to Satan. Christians blame Satan for evil but the one who should be blamed is their God

I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and I create evil ; I am the Lord, Who does all these things.

Isaiah 45 verses 7


The author of 2peter made it clear that the earth was flooded with water. Which is obviously the mythical story of Noah.

1 corinthians 15 vs 45
 Thus it is written, The first man Adam became a living being (an individual personality); the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving Spirit [restoring the dead to life
It is very clear that Adam was the first man according to the Bible.
. “For
since by a man came death, by a man also came
the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die,
so also in Christ all will be made alive” ( 1
Corinthians 15:21-22 ).

How could men and nations before Adam be destroyed if before Adam there was no death.

You quote Jeremiah out of context. It even has nothing to do with a pre adamic world.
Jere
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a desert, and all its cities were laid waste before the Lord’s presence, before His fierce anger.

Jeremiah 4 vs 26

Genesis says - God had to create land by parting the waters.why would Isaiah see a desert if all that covered the world was water. Read the whole chapter and u would understand that it had nothing to do with a pre adamic world but rather with Israel.
Even majority of bible scholars have dis agreed with this strange teaching of a pre adamic world. Stop quoting verses out of context.

KingEbukasBlog:
then you are an atheist ... right ?

An agnostic

rheether:
Surveyors? Smh

Whats wrong with being a quantity surveyor

KingEbukasBlog:
Hmmmm . I always insist that the truth about God is finally witnessed through experience with Him . Most of the errors are just misconceptions and from translations .

Muslims also say that most of the errors are just misconceptions and from translations.

KingEbukasBlog:
then you are an atheist ... right ?

No. Not yet anyway

Pls feel free any useful information concerning this career.

When a Christian sees errors in the bible. He searches for answers so that he won't lose his senseless faith but when a Christian sees an error in the Koran. He doesn't even bother to search for explanations and answers. Same can be said for Muslims as well

KingEbukasBlog:
@urahara ... which religion do you adhere to ?

None

KingEbukasBlog:
Ive read almost every perspective of the creation story and Dake's is the most sensible . I read Dake's Annotated Bible at my leisure and it builds my knowledge of the bible . I have had it for close to 7 yrs or so but not that I totally agree with all his views .

That's why I'm sometimes embarrassed by the quality of some topics that are created and addressed in the Religion section

So Instead of facing the truth squarely u prefer to read the works of preachers who say that when God says x he actually means y.
U talked about the splitting of the moon have u read the "proof" in the link.