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johnydon22:
Evolution is a scientific theory on the origin and development of species.
The thing is a scientific theory is not infallible because it is an explanation of observed facts.

So with discoveries of more facts, a theory can change or improve. .

To me, Man as of now has not perfected the knowledge on the origin of species and so this branch of study requires more studies, observations and scrutinization of available facts.

Op creationism is a belief and so is not a scientific position, how then would you expect a nobel prize under science for that which is not science..

For now i simply say "I Don't know" cus i do not advocate for creationism or evolution regarding the origin of biological organisms.

Even with the overwhelming evidence for evolution why don't you advocate it

orisa37:
"The Judeo-christian God does not care because he is not there". God cares. He creates us and loves us. He allows His Angels to drive us away from the original garden to enable Him plan properly for our return to Him. So He is there. Lord God Almighty, "Oluwa Olorun Olodumare" is there. "He is just a theoretical construct of the human mind". He gave us Conscience, Heart, Soul, Mind and Body to cover them. From these, especially the Conscience, He gave us Imagination to make blue-prints, proto-types and other things like Him but not idols to share His care for us. So God is real. He is there in His Godsphere. He is not a framed-up ideas.

What makes you feel that god is a he and not a she. What makes you feel that God isn't just a student whose school project was to make the universe and he got a b. What makes you feel that he isn't just one of many gods. All of people's opinions of God are just guesses. Though god can't be disproved just like fairies there is no evidence for any god. Too me nature is God.

Luke and Matthew went through the stress of inventing the fables of Jesus birth just to fulfill what they thought to be a messianic prophecy and they ended up with contradictory and historically false stories

wealthinfos:
Does God realy love man in the face of all these endless troubles, suffering, calamity and death at last? If he does why does he permit these troubles and sufferings to mankind?


How do we justify the biblical story that man is suffering because one Adam and Eve sined and so i should pay the price for another man's sin? Tell me is this fair?

Why do you say it like the biblical God exists. A fact is that an omnipotent omnibenevolent God does not exist. An omnipotent and malevolent God may exist. An omnibenevolent but impotent God maybe.

Whether conducted by Quirinius or anyone else, there could
not have been a census in Judaea before 6 A.D., since the
province had not entered direct Roman control before then.
But since Quirinius is the first Roman governor to take
control of Judaea, we expect a census to occur at that time.
This was the nature of Roman imperialism. The whole point
of a client kingdom, as Judaea was in the time of Herod the
Great and Archelaus, was that the kingdom retain its
independence while paying a set and agreed annual tribute.
Rome held many rights by treaty, such as the ability to
confirm or veto kings, but formal interference ended there.
Many territories received this special status for cooperating
with Rome in important wars, or when Rome did not want to
trouble itself with running the province directly, and typically
these client states surrounded and protected the borders of
the Empire, providing a kind of buffer zone against
invasions.[ 9.1 ]
To conduct a census in contravention of such an alliance
would have been a notable event indeed, mentioned in many
other places as the peculiar event it would have been--and
that's even if it didn't start an outright war, as almost
happened when the Romans finally did conduct a census in
Judaea in 6 A.D.[ 9.2 ] Why, after all, would Rome want a
census of a territory it was not taxing directly? Not only was
such a thing never done at any time in the history of Rome,
it would have served no practical purpose. According to
A.N. Sherwin-White, Horst Braunert's study of the subject
"disproves conclusively the notion of a Roman census
before the creation of the province" while also
demonstrating that a census was "a necessary consequence
of the establishment of direct provincial government."
And as we saw above , Josephus confirms a census at the
beginning of Quirinius' reign, just when we would expect it.

Not only is a census before the annexation of a Judaean
province against all probability and sense, it lacks all
evidence of any kind. It is a purely groundless and ad hoc
conjecture.
Remember that census is a sin according to Judaism. Remember what happened to David.

OLAADEGBU:
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So the claim that Quirinius
was the sole known exception is so extraordinary it certainly can't be maintained
without evidence. Such an astonishing and unique honor could not have been
omitted by Josephus or Tacitus ( Annals 3.48 ), yet both describe his career
without any mention of it. Historical evidence also confirms other men governed
Syria between 12 and 3 B.C.E., so Quirinius could not have been governor then,
and he was not qualified to hold that office before the year 12. Furthermore since herod died at 4bc and the bible says the census of quirinius occurred during the time of herod the great this is false because all the governors of Syria are known from 12 BC to 3 BC
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_governors_of_Syria
He couldn't have been governor before 12 BC because he had not yet attained consular ranking which is a requirement for being governor.

Even if Quirinius had been governor a previous time,
conveniently during the reign of Herod the Great, and
conducted a census, that census could not have included
Judaea, for Judaea was not under direct Roman control at
that time, and not being directly taxed. There is no example
of, or rationale for, a census of an independent kingdom
ever being conducted in Roman history. Therefore, the
census Luke describes could only have been taken after the
death of Herod, when Judaea was annexed to the Roman
province of Syria, just as Josephus describes. All attempts
to argue otherwise have no merit: Luke did not mean a
census before Quirinius, could not have imagined Quirinius
holding some other position besides governor, and could
not have mistook him for someone else.

OLAADEGBU:
Suggested answer:

No SINGLE SOUL HAS EVER governed a Roman province twice in the whole of Roman history

OLAADEGBU:
Suggested answer:

First of all, the basic meaning is clear and unambiguous, so there is no reason
even to look for another meaning. The passage says hautê apographê prôtê egeneto hêgemoneuontos tês
Syrias Kyrêniou , or with interlinear translation, hautê (this) apographê(census) prôtê[the] (first) egeneto
(happened to be) hêgemoneuontos [while] (governing) tês Syrias(Syria) Kyrêniou [was] (Quirinius). The correct
word order, in English, is "this happened to be the first census while Quirinius was governing Syria." This is
very straightforward, and all translations render it in such a manner.

Nevertheless, what is usually offered in support of a "reinterpretation" of the word is the fact that when
prôtos can be rendered "before" it is followed by a noun in the genitive (the genitive of comparison), and in
this passage the entire clause hêgemoneuontos tês Syrias Kyrêniou is in the genitive. But this does not work
grammatically. The word hêgemoneuontos is not a noun, but a present participle (e.g. "jogging," "saying,"
"filing," hence "ruling" in the genitive case with a subject (Kyrêniou ) also in the genitive. Whenever we see
that we know that it is a construction called a "genitive absolute," and thus it doesn't make sense to regard
it as a genitive connected to the "census" clause. In fact, that is ruled out immediately by the fact that the
verb (egeneto ) stands between the census clause and the ruling clause--in order for the ruling clause to be
in comparison with the census clause, it would have to immediately follow or precede the adjective "first,"
but since it doesn't, and the entire clause is separated from the rest of the sentence, it can only be an
absolute construction. A genitive absolute does have many possible renderings, e.g. it can mean "while" or
"although" or "after" or "because" or "since," but none allow the desired reinterpretation here.[ 10.4 ]
John 1:15 and 1:30 are a case in point: the context is clearly established by the point of contrast being
made, "he who comes after me [ opisô mou] is ahead of me [ emprosthen mou ] because he was before me
[ prôtê mou ]." Again, the meaning is "because he was first [in relation] to me," especially since the subject is
Jesus, who was just described as the first of all creation (1:1-14). So here we have an example of when
prôtos means "before," yet all the grammatical requirements are met for such a meaning, which are not met
in Luke 2:2: the genitive here is not a participle with subject, but a lone pronoun (thus in the genitive of
comparison); the genitive follows immediately after the adjective; and the earlier prepositions ( opisô and
emprosthen ) establish the required context. Since this is clearly not the same construction as appears in
Luke 2:2, it provides no analogy.[ 10.5 ] And this is in John. Luke never uses prôtos as "before" in such a
chronological sense.
As a genitive absolute, further separated from prôtê by a verb, the Quirinius clause cannot have any
grammatical connection with prôtê . It therefore cannot mean "before" in this context. Nor does it make any
sense to "retranslate" the phrase as "this census happened to be most important when Quirinius was
governing Syria."[ 10.6 ] That requires a context in order for the word "first" to be read as modifying an
actual or implied adjective of "importance," but no such adjective is present or implied. Instead, the
narrative clearly intends to explain why Joseph is going to Bethlehem. A digression away from that point
would require an explanation, simply to make the digression intelligible. Since Luke gives no such
explanation, he cannot have intended this to be a digression, much less one so obscurely worded. Luke can
only have meant this to be the reason for Joseph's journey, and that's how every ancient reader would
have read it. Therefore, "this [Augustan] census first happened [in Judaea] when Quirinius was governing
Syria" is the only contextually plausible reading of Luke's Greek. Any other interpretation convicts Luke of
being a talentless and unintelligible author.
Besides making no sense grammatically, neither of these alternatives fits the fact that no census before
Quirinius would have affected Joseph or Bethlehem.

dearpreye:
It's your money; spend it as wisely as you can.

Last year, the issue of first fruits came up and I didn't support it at all....All those crap belongs in the Jewish religion but someone we've gullible allowed ourselves to be scammed in the name of religion. I give to the needy not the greedy........
My dear, we won't stop questioning these issues.
I'm done with mindless religion.

When you point out killings in the name of religion in the bible they say it was the old Testament but when it comes to the laws on first fruit and offering and tithe. Pastors will start quoting malachi

Tufanja:
This comment is good for the easy laughers...but we aint in pub .

When you mix things for the sake of sounding funny, it is polluting the discussion that should be on what are facts, what are convictions, what is faith and what is superstition etc

Now it sounds like any christian can just believe anything, any falsity, any witchcraft, that there is ambiguity in their reasoning by definition without illustrating that factually. Dont think that is fair. There are also a lot of simular prejudices, wrong presumptions, etc on this forum about the position of atheists...lets not respond in the same silly manner.

I greet you tufanga

I wasn't trying to imply that Christians can believe anything. The story of the mating goats and the white rod is found in the book of GENESIS.

Gen.30:37-39

I shake my head when I see a Christian who says the theory of evolution is false but who readily believes that two goats while mating and looking at a white rod will give birth to goats which have white stripes. Smh. Mtcheew

Annunaki:
Do you want me to start listing out all the lies, errors, contradictions and terror inspiring verses in the quoran Cause the list is endless. That said, I don't hate muslims. It is islam I hate with a passion and I see muslims as poor victims of islam so I pity them and not hate them.[/quote


] [quote author=Annunaki post=41447591]Do you want me to start listing out all the lies, errors, contradictions and terror inspiring verses in the bible?? Cause the list is endless. That said, I don't hate Christians s. It is christianity I hate with a passion and I see christiansas poor victims of christianity so I pity them and not hate them.

P. S I am not a Muslim

Annunaki:
Please reserve these rants for fellow brain dead muslims and almajiris who have been programmed from birth not to use their brain as far as the quoran and islam is concerned. To date over a thousand errors, contradictions and outright lies have been identified in the quoran and that is apart from over a hundred terror instructing verses that could only have been inspired by satan himself.

Ditto for your bible as well

To me he is a failed apocalyptic Prophet.

Christianity is a temporary condition. Soon every tongue shall confess that krishna. The Lion of the tribe of saki is lord

menesheh:
How did Moses manage to write about his death and burial in the first five books of the bible. Abrahamic religions, world greatest illusion.





Deuteronomy 34
The Death of Moses
34 Then Moses climbed Mount Nebo from the plains of Moab to the top of Pisgah, across from Jericho. There the Lord showed him the whole land—from Gilead to Dan, 2 all of Naphtali, the territory of Ephraim and Manasseh, all the land of Judah as far as the Mediterranean Sea, 3 the Negev and the whole region from the Valley of Jericho, the City of Palms, as far as Zoar. 4 Then the Lord said to him, “This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, ‘I will give it to your descendants.’ I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it.”

5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. 6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. 8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.

9 Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the Lord had commanded Moses.

10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, 11 who did all those signs and wonders the Lord sent him to do in Egypt—to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. 12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel.

Because Moses isn't the author of the pentateuch. Check this for more info. http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter12.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

Common Christian response
The text has been mistranslated
It is symbolic
It is a miracle

KingEbukasBlog:
Its funny how atheists blindly clutch unto theories and bullshit . We take a more pragmatic approach when discussing God . Tell me a cripple started walking , they say its scam and fraud . They were not there to know if its true or not but they are sure its fraud . They now apply this same half-baked reasoning when talking of the genesis of the universe . "We are sure the universe has a cause and we are sure its not a creator" .

Deception of atheism

Umm let me see an amputee hand grow back

HCpaul:
Yes! There are no real atheist in the nation called Nigeria.

Seeing many atheist on nairaland religious sections really impared the opposition that i have towards atheism and aggravate my hatred towards it.

It is very difficult to identify a real atheist. Bill Gate is an atheist, but how many times have you see him arguing on this section about the existence of any diety?

An attempt to envagelize atheism is a doctrine and an effort to enforce it is a belief system.

Real atheist don't argue, they don't preach cuz they are too busy to do that.


Once again, atheists don't exist in Nigeria.

Atheists don't preach. They just argue for fun and also if you say atheists don't argue then what of the likes of dark matter. Richard Dawkins. Sam Harris.

I would rather believe in star wars which has remotely possible characters and places than to believe in superstitious bible nonsense.

Heaven and hell. Angels and demons. God and Satan. These are all mythical absurdities.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son Santa Claus to die for our sins. WHO SO EVER BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.


WE KNOW HE IS THE SON OF GOD BECAUSE THE CHRISTMAS STORY BOOKS TELL US SO AND WE KNOW THE WRITERS OF THE CHRISTMAS BOOKS WERE INSPIRED BY GOD BECAUSE IT SAYS SO IN THE BOOKS.

Each year about 500,000 women die due to pregnancy and childbirth, 7 million have serious long term complications, and 50 million have negative outcomes following delivery. Goose bumps are vestigial.

KingEbukasBlog:
The vestigial body parts are false claims of evolution . Im not sure why you whining about birth canal - you are making no point . Billions of people were given birth to through vaginal delivery .

Its sane to believe in a creator than that things came to being in whatever form according to their will aka natural process , aka nature

The point I am trying to make about the birth canal is that that of apes is wide enough to allow it give birth under 2 hours why that of humans makes child birth take almost nine hours and at times need cesarean section. If you say vestigial organs are false claims tell me why we have goose bumps

KingEbukasBlog:
You need to join the kids during their Sunday School classes .

Appendix are related to immunity and the Vagina can expand and contract - a design . Would you be turned on when you see a woman with a widely opened Vagina which is there for easy childbirth ?

You are the one who needs to be taught by the kids. The Appendix has no function and the birth canal is small unlike in other mammals

malvisguy212:
so you get scared when Hell is being mention ? You get scarred because God's judgment is coming upon you.

I am not scared in a mythical land. I am trying to say that if you are trying to scare people to join your religion because of hell then you have to revise your tactics because other religions have hotter hells.

Smartoscope007:
Christians are very good in assumptiOn..... imagine, he post'd rubbish.... i call it "verbos"

I'm not a xtian. Just wanted to show someone that the bible teaches that the earth was created 6,000 years ago.

KingEbukasBlog:
Legends have it that billions of life forms on earth supposedly came from a single cell which came from dead matter

Isn't it yet time to humble yourselves and admit God is responsible for life ?

God is responsible. He created the ebola virus. The hiv virus. The vitro cholera virus. Bacteria. Etc.

He made the cheetah fast enough to catch the antelope. And the antelope agile enough to elude the cheetah. What a wise God. He also made 99 percent of his created species go extinct. He made the appendix for decoration and he made nipples for men and a small vaginal canal for ease during child birth. We serve an awesome God.

HCpaul:
My age has nothing to do with the coming of the bride.

If age is the answer, then the glory belong to the aged.
Age is not a logo of the saint, and not a symbol of the elect.

On the day Jesus will come to harvest the earth, the question will not be who is old and who is young, who is a christian or who is an atheist, but who is a doer of the word of God.


I have value for life, so that is why i hold unto the idea of eternal life.

You can focus on knowledge, science and technologies but mind you, it is the living that invents and propose scientific advancement.

Jesus too came across atheist in his time and he overcame them.

Can you explain how he did that?

Be warned one day Peter Pan will come and harvest the earth

ifenes:
How old are you HCpaul? It's shocking you truly believe Jesus will come to take Christians to paradise.

My Bros one thing Christians don't get is there aren't the only ones who can scare people with hell and a rapture. The he'll in Islam is worse and hotter

ShaheedBinAliyu:
You claim to follow Jesus... You are supposed to be doing everything Jesus did and also believe in everything Jesus said..................



Jesus never enter any church to pray or worship God

.Jesus never sing and dance to glorify God nor he said you people can be singing and dancing to glorify God


Jesus never read the book called Bible..


Jesus never celebrated or tell anybody his birthday dare..


Jesus never collected tithe nor pay tithe nor commanded people to pay tithe


I STAND TO BE CORRECTED IF I AM WRONG...







And we all know Bible has different translation like KJV, NIV, RSV and the likes and also is the difference in volume of chapters included in Bible.. we have protestant, Catholic, orthodox Christian Bible.. these are mere biography of the man called Jesus.. it's only him that can confirm the authenticity of the stories written but he's not on earth... Bible is not credible...


I STAND TO BE CORRECTED.. THAT'S IF I AM WRONG..

This argument doesn't just jell at all.

KingEbukasBlog:
And must have been tampered with ?

Who is the father of joseph(Jesus Father) is it heli or Jacob.

Book of Matthew
16 Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, Who is called the Christ. (the Messiah, the Anointed)

Book of luke

23 Jesus Himself, when He began [His ministry], was about thirty years of age, being the Son, as was supposed, of Joseph, the son of Heli,


Mathew has Jesus born around the time of King herod the great
While Luke has Jesus born around the census of quirinius. Both it is a well known fact that the census of quirinius happened about 12 years after the death of King herod the great.

KingEbukasBlog:
Do you know that you credulously clutch unto anything that invalidates the reality of hell , even if it were blatant lies ?

The earliest gospel which is Mark was written 30 years after the death of jesus