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ddippset: I know its hard pill to swallow but much much mych of spains success is about barcelona. Del bosque saw it and exploited it, the barca system, the team, the continuity. Like I said before spain had raul,morientes, guti,enrique, salgado,jaoquin, senna, heirro,helguera,redondo,canizares and tagged the greatest under achievers. Barcelona equals spain plus messi minus alonso. But madrid equals spain plus ronaldo minus xavi minus iniesta minus pique minus puyol minus villa minus... Damn the list is getting too long for this text

yeah spain had always had the tag of perennial under achievers.
its nice that they eventually are now champions

Bvesan: Usbcable,it is obvious u knw nothing about barça history.Barça's domination started in d late 80's and won d club's first champions league in 1992 wiv player like Guardiola,Koeman etc. with Cyruff as coach.Barça were finalists in ucl in d 90's,beaten by Capello's Milan.Barcelona also had great players like Stoichov,Ronaldo De lima,Romario and Rivaldo during d 90's.
Do ur homework next time before saying things u aren't sure of.

hello historian,

i have said i wont talk again but, it is good to always enlighten some folks.

barca won its first ucl trophy known back then as european cup in 1992.
so where did the 80's domination come from.

go and learn thesame history of barcelona before spewing things you know absolutely nothing about.

Mcleo007: My brother, this life is full of so many J.O.S.E (Jealous Ones Still Envy)'s. Moanrhino comes to mind here. No matter what other people have achieved, he'll always find some acrimony against them. Little wonder he started with his so-hyped UEFA conspiracy theory, and sadly so, his retinue of sympathizers have taken poll with him.

and that is why he is forever special.
he only had the guts to say what was being murmured all around. he only spoke out what other coaches tabled forward with coated words.

he said: fair and square should be the other of the day and not some oscar winning theatrics from suppossed world class footballers.

I will say no more.

if because someone does not play for barcelona makes him average them what else is there to convince you about.

at least for once some one is reasoning better that momentary snapshots dont always say the full story of an occassion.

Ask yourselves, will silva or cazorla or mata be moticed this much if they had stayed behind in valencia or malaga.

answer is no, but since they moved to a high aspiration inclined and motivated club they would always be recognised.

and as i will say for the umptenth time, dont be gullible about all you read. not to sound insultive, barca fans tend to exercise their brain less when it comes to ther clubsides and their players.

and what does barcelpona have that is not existent in any other club for crying out loud.

some clubs ahev been there since the 60's 70's 80's 90's and barca just started domination in the mid /late 2000's and we no longer can hear a word of reason from them again.

ti eni ba ri ohun he ba nkigbe ti o je ka reti fi gbo ran, kini ki eni to soun na da nu ma wa she.

as eva once said: "anything you want, I don did it"

fabregas was simplay included because he plays for barcelona

Mcleo007: This your Arsenal-typico-patterned list won't get past the quarter finals of any competition. Believe me, Spain with these players will struggle with an African team like Cape Verde or a cricket-loving country like Pakistan. Save for the duo of Silva and Alonso, the others are average and not world beaters.

Mr Oga,

the names listed above are all members of the national team squad oooo.
na del bosque select them.
and BTW dont tell me Fabregas is world class while cazorla is not
or pedro has better goal instinct than a soldado or negredo or llorente
or nacho is not as good as alba. mind you it was capdevilla that held forte that role not alba when they won the world cup.
or wetin pique fit do wey albiol cant fit do better. prob the guy has is pepe and ramos. and those two ar e far far far better than Mr shakira.
or mata that won the ucl and FA cup is now a 'yeye' player


na wah for barca sentiments sef.

cisse7575: None of your listed alternatives players are good enough to replace any of barca players in spanish team brother. With this your yeye list, spain would have been knocked out in group stages of the two tournaments.

On CR7 and Leo, please, we are talking about the last El-classico that was played last week, not last season...I think you are so good in deviation...

as I will continually say, living in denial is the worst sin a man can commit against himself.
if I may further enlighten you.
the reason why any sane coach (like Del Bosque) will find it more "convenient" to use barcelona players in leu of the others simply boils downm to the same reason of why they were selected in the first place - THEY BELONG TO THESAME CHAMPION CLUB.
and good players from thesame club blend faster compared to good players from different clubsides.

problem is your myopic view sees all the other players as "yeye".
so no way am convincing you on that.

and bikonu, wetin you mean by that your last comment. which one be deviation for this matter.
you must have refused to learn that your role on the pitch will always define the counter measure to be employed.
and to add to the picture list see the new one below.I know its not 7-10-2012 but its just shows that because such pictures are not being thrown around on the worl wide web doesnt mean he is left to the bidding of alvez to single handedly mark him.
also dont always believe evrytin you read on the internet, try to look beyond the lines my dear friend.

dear cisse,

find below as requested.

cisse7575: @uscable.

Like I said, barca players play with honor, until you begin to see yourself above other teammates, barca will not throw u out. Deco, Eto'o and Dinlho saw themselves above other barca players. All players in barca play for honor.

let me just leave you alone with this misguided belief. its better i dont start talking about incidences where certain players still within the barca squad see them selves as being very important and expect the club to do their bidding or they part with both club/coach. else another round of wahala go start.

cisse7575: And them being the highest paid is a profound gratitude from the clubs to the players.
Please remove Xavi, Bousquest, iniesta, Fabregas, Pedro, Alba, Pique from spanish team and show me those who can be 100% perfect for their positions...please show me you first 11 without those names...

xavi--------silva
busquest----alonso/javi garcia
iniesta-----mata/martinez
fabregas----cazorla/navas
pedro-------soldado/negredo/Llorente
alba--------nacho/arbeloa
pique-------albiol/domiguez

cisse7575: CR7 is a world class player, I must be honest with that, but as good as CR7 is, Leo is Better. Watch the match again and see how many white shirts surrounded Messi when he held ball and tell me about CR7 as well whom was only marked by one person at a time...

well well well,
wht a perspective.
I can as well argue that playing from the center of a field attracts more attention than you playing from the sidelines.
hence since iniesta plays mainly from the flanks does that mean he is not as good a MF as messi.

roles differ hence counter measure on those roles will oalso differ.

and for mind you the angle from which pictures are taken also matters--meaning dont be too gullible with pictures.
check the attached and tell me what you see whether real madrid players are marked one on one.

^^@eemcee,
am not just being sympathetic dearie, am being truthful to my beliefs as well.

and i meant every single sentence above. am not a sentimental freak like most barca fans if you may also know.

so i suspend my case until further notice.

Yahoo1: take d depth and shove it up ur a.rse dickhead

augggghhhh,

he dey pain am o gaga o

[quote author=The Real Madrid Foundation opens the world's largest football academy in China
]Starting this season Chinese fans can now enjoy the largest football complex in the world. Thanks to the collaboration between the Real Madrid Foundation, the Chinese Super League club Guangzhou Evergrande and Soxna, more than 3,000 boys and girls between the ages of 10 and 18 will improve their football technique based on Real Madrid's training method and the sporting values that the Real Madrid Foundation champions. Florentino Pérez, the Real Madrid president, and the players Kaká, Pepe, Casillas, Sergio Ramos, Cristiano Ronaldo and Marcelo sent a congratulatory message on the occasion of this important inauguration. Located to the north of the city of Guangzhou, in the greater urban area of Qingyuan, it is expected to receive over 10,000 children in eight years.

The Real Madrid president stressed that it is an important step in Spain's relationship with China, where interest in football continues to grow. “I'm convinced that this collaboration will contribute to raising the level of football in China and will spread all the values that surround sport. We will fulfil a dream that began last year and in which we have been working for several months, creating the largest training academy in the world. I am grateful for your contribution to guaranteeing the project's success”.

The message from the Whites footballers aroused great interest and excitement among the thousands of fans that attended the inauguration. “Football is fun and teamwork. In the Evergrande-Real Madrid Foundation academy you will learn sporting values”. The event was also attended by top-level officials from the Chinese government who travelled directly from Beijing, considering this academy a prime example of a national project for the development of football in China.

The sports complex where the football academy is located is a school built by the Evergrande group where regulated teaching will be offered (primary and secondary school). It also includes 26 football fields that over the course of the year will be increased to 76[/quote]source:www.realmadrid.com

davies123: Now this is how to argue and analys issues with facts and statistics,not blind sentimental arguements that is typical of Barca fans!kudo man u win this debate handsdown and they know it but they ll keep talking...

their main problem is they expect everybody to bow down and worship them.
they expect that everybody should compulsorily allign to their views and beliefs.

most perpetually live in denial to the fact that everybody has their own way of life and that other farms exists outside the confines of the club Barcelona

Now lemme help you to understand that I DO NOT HATE MESSI.
I as a "premium" fan of RMFC would naturally support all that is real madrid, and you being a barca azzliker would expectedly defend the jersey of Barcelona.
no

Yahoo1: you don't hate Messi? Man,you are a hypocrite,really! I just realised that now!.

yes i dont hate messi but he plays for a clubside i dont like(a rival club at that too). and stop acting like a child/lier that you just realised that now.

Yahoo1: Arguements are supposed to be based on facts,but you madrid fans base it on the only way it would benefit/help your arguement!.

now mention some thing that is not a fact in all I said about this match or said about you and your fellow cules counterarguments.
is it the delfection that is not a fact
or is it that messi's second goal was
or is it that barca is a profit making venture
or is it that players are professional business men and barca a multinational "coy" in which both parties aim to protect its interest at all costs
just mention something that is not fact in all I have said

Yahoo1: Hatred is not only when you bash and find someone annoying,its also when you cant give someone credit when its due.

this is absolute HOGWASH.
and this shows you are the hypocrite here.

how many times have barca and barcelona entities(fans, coaches, presidents and senile"life/honorary presidents" come out to just insult CR7 publicly or privately. tell me the number of times any body from the rank and file of barcelona has commended CRonnie for any of his achievements.
and yet you come here spewing thrash(using cisse's words) that some people dont give credit to whom honor is due.

and to help you out
define
PENALDO or CRISTINA or GAYNALDO or MOURNHINHO etc

please,tell my dear friend when any of the achievements of the above persons been acknowlegded or praised from the "country of catalunya"

Mcleo007: Now, this is so laughable. And so I laugh... Hahahaha....... Hehehehe.....

make he no be you alone,

i laugh in hispanic,

hoihoihoihoi huhuhuh hohohohohoho

cisse7575: @uscable. You argue intentionally blinded. Why all your posts here seem as trash to me?
Barca players always play for honour...with no regular defence line, we drew. Even una president knows how good barca players are...remove them from spanish team, and spain will not win World Cup or European cup.

hi Papiss Cisse,

if my post are thrash, yours is a junkyard.

and tell me why barca players are the highest paid if they play only for honor.

Mr. Man,

Barca is an organization that declares profit or loss at the end of every financial year. so dont go on deluding yourself that Alves wont leave if his wages are increased.
they are professionals ready to ply their trade where it favors them the most. and barcelona wont also blink twice before shipping you out if they find a better 'reason'(such as money) to sell the player.

Ask Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Deco, Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo de lima etc.

and concerning the spanish team, spain has as much resources to place in every corner of the field.
the reason why barca and real madrid dominate is down to their status in the laliga.

go to bundesliga--dortmund and bayern players dominate
go to england-----man utd/chelsea/man city/liverpool players dominate
come to nigeria---heartland/kano pillars/enyimba/rangers/sunshine stars players dominate
go to scotland ---same applies to celtic/hearts and rangers.

hence the most successful teams in a country league will always end up as the reservoir for the national team players, not that their are no good players in the other clubs.

Yahoo1: if only u madrid fans can differentiate.....! Sorry 2 disappoint you,it aint no deflection,u can argue an hate al u want,it doesnt change the fact itz stil 8 points.

no apologies from me that that you are disappointed.

we are talking of FCB vs RMFC on 7-10-2012

you first started talking about mediocre era when laporta's granddad was still a child.
and since you can not disprove the FACT that the first goal was a deflection you resign to fate of saying 8 points.

and BTW:
I dont hate messi, regardless of what you may say or want to believe. but i will always defend RM from unbridled attacks from inobjective criticisms.

medjai: Atletico will finish ahead of Real Madrid this season. I can bet on it.

like boko haram will be destroyed this october.

you wanturn comedian? sha no go bet your salary.

Yahoo1: thats B.s,we know Madrid has depth,nothing more.....

whats more needed in a team than depth?
so hows dat cowdung

Yahoo1: Nawao...una dey fall hand o,y una still dey argue with dis blind madrid fellas....deflection or no deflection,dere is no denying Messis goal waz the goal of the night.....! How many free kick has the over_hyped best free kick taker scored this season? 0,.,yes zero.....btw dis match is history...next

now this makes more sense.
at least you don agree say messi's first goal na deflection.

Okoro2015: Are you minding them?

like Jonathan2015.

ddippset: and do not go telling me injuries are part of the game or why didnt we sign new players bacause i would tell you that those guys are still very much part of the squad and missing chances is part of the game as well. it would be very convenient, in fact a million times more convenient for me also to say that for the super cup you won in august, which valdez gifted to you guys after you were 3-1 down and left for dead, na valdez make madrid get mouth to talk.

valdez is our assist man

Mcleo007: Overall classico count, Madrid has won just one more than Barca; many of which came in the mediocre era when most footblall players worked in the mines, did several jobs and only play football for fun.

and lemme add,

the recent victories for barcelona during the modern era were due to "human/ referee controvercial decisions", when football players are trained to dive, fool and harass officals into making wrong undeserved decisons in their favor.

davies123: How old r u my brother?you talk like a child![b]Whats makes a great football team is not just having stars is your abillity to manage ur players and resources including injury crisis,why then do u guys say u r d best in d world?its the responsibility of the club to make sure they have options and not stranded[b/],the market is open to buy players etc.if i want to follow ur arguement then u guys dont deserve any title or trophie cos any club u defeat always have one problem or the other either injury,suspension or another issue.I'm daring Barca fans in Nairaland to produce one person who has sense and can analyse football objectively with facts without throwing curses and tantrums to challenge me!

abeg help me tell them whether na mourinho abi na perez curse puyol/villa/iniesta/abidal.

off topic,
why should we be surpised. A club that struggled to pay salaries even after winning "everything".
so much for the best club in the world.

ddippset: i repeat a full strength barca team(alvez, abidal, puyol, pique, busquets, xavi, iniesta, messi, pedro, villa,) 8 times out of 10 will beat a full strength madrid team (abeloa, marcelo, alonso, pepe, ramos, khedira, ozil, de maria, benzema, ronaldo,)barring any injuries to both sides. hence i borrow your words, "na injuries na im make madrid still get mouth to talk"

dreams can come true.
keep the hope alive bro.

its really nice.

Mcleo007: Overall classico count, Madrid has won just one more than Barca; many of which came in the mediocre era when most footblall players worked in the mines, did several jobs and only play football for fun.

like barca never won matches during those victorian era's.


issssh gawd you guys are dulling me sef.
why resort to same ol franco excuses. as if you all were there during the political period.

and if you say mediocre, you are saying barcelona was a nonentity during those 'tortoise and the rabbit' era

Mcleo007: Did I read you say deflection?

go watch the goals again.

it
was
a
defelction
for more info;kindly log on to www.youtube.com

ddippset: 1. do you think we have forgotten the 5-0 drubbing. 2. count back for me, the last emm, lets say 12 classicos. check your record against barcelona. shouldnt be more than 2 wins i guess. and you're talking about mouth to talk?? common man!

dipp,

you just fall my hand.

we dey talk of 7th October match. nah mathces of yesteryears you wan begin talk about?

later on you guys will say RM fans talk of matches played long ago. if thats the case i shoudl also be talking about the 2-1 defet suffered last season.

and as per last 12 classicos,

we've won 3, drawn 4 and lost 5. which is more than 2 wins.

when we want to start talking of past matches as a whole then the above blabbing is justified but as per the last match:
i sayit again nah Benzema the cat cause am

ddippset: if barca played a madrid team without pepe, ramos and marcelo, it would be 6 nil.

guy,

if i may add.

tell, is this the first time barcelona will be playing RM without pique/puyol or both pique and puyol.

why now make it seem as if its sooooo special.

the only difference is that unlike before the coach had no choice but times past it was a decision not to play pique/puyol in those matches.

ddippset: if barca played a madrid team without pepe, ramos and marcelo, it would be 6 nil.

I beg to disagree.

JM has always ensured that a player can play more than one role.

pepe--albiol
ramos---varane---arbeloa
marcelo---coentrao.

and I recall all the names above have featured against "THE GREAT BARCA TEAM".

and the score was not even a two nil.

we even won.

Johnpaul88: As for me, i loved the outcome. That was actually what i expected, given our well documented problem. We were attacking with caution and not making too much adventurous through ball for fear of exposing ourself to dangerous counter attack by them when we lose the ball. I was proud of all our players. If Madrid were to face this situation we went through, we would have made them pay severly. But they couldn't harm us so much as our vulnerable defence looked. That for me , is a plus.

fyi,

RM and JM has a solution in place for that not to happen.

every single member of the squad can play more than one position. hence no shortage of replacements can happen.

so stop dreaming about it happening.

FBS: A match RM should or could have won. All in all, a brilliant display.

na benzema let make them still get mouth to talk

phermonyx: He was given d man of d match.
You cn do d statistics urself by d no of passes, no of dribles, distance covered, no of times fouled. They wia equal in just d no of goals plus messi scored d best of goal of d nyt.

who gave him man of the match? LFP or you.

and since most barca fans are now mathematicians and statisticians you can supply the data for us to compare and please lets have the source of your data.

and about the goal. The freekick is .

But I will stick wif ronnies 1st goal.
Reason: since barcelona fanatics want to push tikiri takara down our oesophagus as the best style of football. RM 1st goal was a classy example of tiki taka.
so its better than messi's.

BTW:

ronnies two goals were engineered by RM and delivered by CR bomba

leo's first goal was a defensive mishap gifted by pepe.