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 Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Hard Questions About Speaking In Tongues With Answers by uvalued(op): 8:03pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
grandstar:please read this my quote and you will understand why mocking is not new 11. Why did all present IN acts 2 hear the apostle speaking in intelligent language not the unintelligent gibberrish and gruntsi sometimes wonder how some selectively choose to ignore those that heard the apostles and mocked them. in experiments, we have two set test group and control group . the test group are the various people of different language who heard THEM in their language by the miracle of the Spirit while the control group are those in vs 13 which after hearing the apostles said 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.therefore the control group give us an understanding that what they heard was what made them mock them and how can it be intelligently spoken? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Hard Questions About Speaking In Tongues With Answers by uvalued(op): 7:33pm On Aug 20, 2017*. Modified: 8:07pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
otr1:one thing i notice with your answer is you hardly take a point and trash it out but jumble mumbleeverything and that is not healthy in a discourse.. d.stevenson too points made by yuri and address it. you take his points and address it will make an interesting read. hope you follow my drift. editted now if i may ask you, with all you took time to address which of the 10 response by d.stevenson are you addressing. |
| Politics › Re: Buhari Back To Continue Good Work, Leadership – APDA by uvalued(m): 6:56pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by uvalued(m): 6:48pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
comments i read above are provethat men see em as men when they are gods  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Hard Questions About Speaking In Tongues With Answers by uvalued(op): 7:27am On Aug 19, 2017 |
let me add my 11 11. Why did all present IN acts 2 hear the apostle speaking in intelligent language not the unintelligent gibberrish and gruntsi sometimes wonder how some selectively choose to ignore those that heard the apostles and mocked them. in experiments, we have two set test group and control group . the test group are the various people of different language who heard THEM in their language by the miracle of the Spirit while the control group are those in vs 13 which after hearing the apostles said 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.therefore the control group give us an understanding that what they heard was what made them mock them and how can it be intelligently spoken? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Hard Questions About Speaking In Tongues With Answers by uvalued(op): 4:21am On Aug 19, 2017 |
finally, 10. Why is Christian glossolalia almost unheard of before 1901 Topeka Kansas?One could ask the same question about the great doctrines of Sola Scriptura and Salvation by Faith being absent from Christian theology for 1000 years before the Reformers. Why are missionaries almost unheard of for the 1000 years before the Moravians? It was nearly 200 years after the Protestant Reformation before Protestants realized their duty to evangelized unreached peoples. Altar calls (and their equivalent) were unheard of before the 1830s – should we forbid these as well? Indeed, the idea of a “sinner’s prayer” – a single prayer to mark a conversion-salvation experience – is hard to find in church history before the Great Awakenings in the United States. Congregational singing of hymns is also a fairly recent development in church history. For how many centuries was it unheard of for individual Christians to have a copy of the Bible or to read it? For the middle half of church history – 1000 years – most so-called Christians did not read the Bible, did not understand biblical salvation, worshiped and prayed to Mary, and attended churches led by a corrupt, immoral hierarchy. It is not at all surprising that New Testament spiritual gifts faded as the churches filled with baptized pagans – nominal Christians – after the time of Constantine. Once most of the “Christians” were unregenerate unbelievers, one would expect spiritual gifts and miracles to become extraordinarily rare, as they did. After the Reformation, each generation went deeper in rediscovering biblical doctrines and practices. As I said, it took centuries before Christians rediscovered concepts like personal relationship with Christ, missions, evangelism, regular devotional reading of Scripture by individuals, and so on. It is not that surprising that eventually, someone would fixate on the passages about tongues and prophecy in the New Testament and start praying for God to restore these experiences to the church. Sadly, most cultural Christians in every age are complacent with whatever form of Christianity surrounds them. They not only fail to look in the Bible to see if there might be more, but even get defensive and reactionary when someone claims to have something more or different (or more biblical) than what everybody else is doing. If tongues occurred at any time in the 1500 years of church history before 1901, it would have been stomped out quickly and forgotten, just as many of features of modern Christianity were. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Hard Questions About Speaking In Tongues With Answers by uvalued(op): 4:17am On Aug 19, 2017 |
continued 8. Why can people be trained to speak in tongues, apart from supernatural intervention?This is completely bogus. People claiming to be trained in tongues are not experiencing biblical glossolalia, any more than Catholics who pray to relics for healing are experiencing biblical healing. Medieval monks claimed to be trained in holiness, but were merely trained in solitude and a monastic lifestyle, not a Spirit-transformed character. Finding extreme abuses by someone somewhere is an easy task regarding ANY component of Christianity. 9. If glossolalia is an essential part of Christian prayer, why didn’t Jesus mention it at all?Again, we could ask this very same rhetorical question about a long list of things that the Epistles emphasize but that the Gospels never mention. A more troubling question, for example, is why Jesus talks so little about the idea of substitutionary atonement or propitiation if it is the core of the gospel, why he never explains church government or the function of elders and deacons (or their ordination), and why he never discusses Christian marriage and childrearing, except to condemn divorce and remarriage. Similarly, most Christians believe that “worship” is an essential part of the Christian life, but Jesus hardly mentions it at all. Jesus never mentions the importance of Christians reading the Bible, either. I have trouble finding any passages in the Gospels that spell out concepts like Total Depravity (apart from general references to people being sinful), Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, or Perseverance of the saints. I would have expected Jesus to address these points more, especially given how central they have become to modern evangelicalism. Tongues is one I would not have expected Jesus to cover much at all, because it had so little relevance to the immediate Jewish context – it would only become relevant in the churches. Paul’s discussion in 1 Corinthians 14 seems to suggest that tongues was especially relevant in Gentile contexts. In any case, tongues is far down the list of topics that we wish Jesus discussed. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Hard Questions About Speaking In Tongues With Answers by uvalued(op): 4:14am On Aug 19, 2017*. Modified: 4:34am On Aug 19, 2017 |
continued 6. If modern tongues are the same as those in Acts, why is there no verifiable xenoglossy?It is not clear what occurred in Acts 2, except that it is obviously not the same thing that happened in Corinth and Ephesus. Acts 2 is not necessarily xenoglossy – the audience mentions that at least 15 language groups were able to hear the preaching in their own tongues. Those who believe that xenoglossy occurred here must believe that each apostle was speaking a different language (one of those mentioned), at the same time to the same crowd, which I think would have been impossible to understand. An easier interpretation of Acts 2 is that the apostles all spoke in various glossolalia, and everyone heard all of them in his own language (that is, a miracle of interpretation occurred at the same time for each person). Acts 2 was a special event that laid the groundwork for the spread of the early church across the civilized world within a generation – pilgrims who had visited Jerusalem for the feast days that year would all return to their own lands and cities having heard the gospel – they would either start small groups of nascent churches, or would be predisposed to embrace the gospel when apostles and evangelists eventually reached them on missionary trips. The phenomenon described in 1 Corinthians 12-14 seems to be merely a small part of a regular worship service – a very different event. 7. If glossolalia is a real language, why are different interpretations given for the same phrase?Most of these so-called “interpreters” are not genuine. You cite but one study where someone found various people who claimed to be able to interpret tongues. I have no reason for believing ANY of these people are genuine. I believe there would be just one interpretation for a given message in tongues. At the same time, I do not believe that “interpretation” means “translation.” Nor do I think that the Bible suggests that glossolalia are “real languages” in the sense of a shared dialect by some community of speakers. It is entirely possible that each instance of Glossolallia is a spontaneously-generated new language, and that the “interpretation” is a prophetic word in the hearer’s own language – they are not “understanding” the syllables and words the glossolalia speaker is uttering, but only the message. I anticipate the follow-up question, “Why does God not skip a step and simply give the interpretation as a prophecy?” I do not know, but I also do not know for sure why fasting matters to God, or the fact that we pray or worship. It is his sovereign choice. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Hard Questions About Speaking In Tongues With Answers by uvalued(op): 3:55am On Aug 19, 2017*. Modified: 4:11am On Aug 19, 2017 |
continued The real contradiction seems to be between what Jesus says here and the traditions that have developed in some Pentecostal denominations for speaking in tongues at length. One could take Jesus’ warning as a caution that praying in tongues should be brief rather than prolonged, an idea that most Pentecostals have never considered. In the context, though, Jesus is actually focused not merely on the repetitiousness of the prayer or the babbling aspect, but on the fact that the pagans believe that repetition makes divine response more likely. Perhaps some misguided Pentecostals think that praying in tongues for an hour makes some desired more likely to happen than if they had prayed only thirty minutes, but that would seem to be the type of foolishness Jesus is attacking here. His recommended alternative is not “Always pray in your native language” but rather to pray in faith and simplicity. 4. Why do non Christian religions include glossolalia as part of their worship?Very few non-Christian religions include glossolalia – the examples you give are rather obscure, and are just as much hearsay as the examples of xenoglossy that you so quickly dismiss later. Why not ask the same question about the Bible? Every major non-Christian religion has a Holy Book or Scriptures – does that discredit the Christian claims about the validity of the Bible? Most non-Christian religions believer in miraculous answers to prayer – again, does that mean Christians should stop praying for things? Most non-Christians religions include fasting as part of their religious observance for the devout. Most encourage charity and love to one’s neighbor. Most encourage some type of monogamous sexual morality. Why is glossolalia any different in this regard? 5. If interpretation is the main purpose, why do we almost never see interpreted glossolalia?You must have been in the wrong churches. I spent most of my adult life in a denomination where tongues ALWAYS had interpretation if it occurred in a service. The Assemblies and some other large Pentecostal denominations simply developed a tradition in this regard that contradicts the injunctions in 1 Corinthians. Yet that raises the main answer to your question. 1 Corinthians indicates that the church in Corinth had tongues occurring without interpretation most of the time, which occasioned Paul’s words of correction. Your argument against modern tongues is equally an argument against the New Testament incidents of tongues. If interpretation was the main purpose, why were so many people in Corinth using glossolalia without an accompanying interpretation? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Hard Questions About Speaking In Tongues With Answers by uvalued(op): 3:54am On Aug 19, 2017 |
Continued More likely, I believe, is the possibility that genuine tongues is not a pre-established language of communication (whether earthly or heavenly) but could be a spontaneously-created new language. Most Pentecostals believe that they have a personal prayer language that differs from everyone else’s. The biblical passages about glossolalia would even allow for the possibility that each occurrence of tongues is a new language spontaneously generated by the Holy Spirit. I haven’t observed the degree of uniformity that you describe – in any charismatic or Pentecostal church I’ve attended, the tongues spoken by different individuals sounded very different. In addition, speakers of various languages have a very difficult time making certain sounds that are not part of their language. Many non-English speakers struggle, for example, with the “th” sounds in English, or with pronouncing certain combinations of consonants like those in “squirrel.” (Try to get a native speaker of Portuguese to say, “Squirrel” properly). I grew up in the United States, and I struggled with gutturals and pharyngeal letters when I studied Arabic. I understand that God COULD miraculously enable Portuguese Pentecostals to articulate beautiful “th” sounds and words like “squirrel” as part of their glossolalia, but it is just as possible that the Holy Spirit would normally manifest variations of glossolalia that believers in that geo-linguistic region can easily get out. Similarly, I do not expect Americans to memorize as much of the Bible as believers in non-literate societies would do, and I do not expect believers in societies with no written language to read and think about the Scriptures in the same way that Americans can and do. 2. Why did glossolalia exist before the birth of Christianity?One could more easily ask why death-and-resurrection stories exist in paganism (Mithras and Baal) before Christianity, or the concept of having Sacred Scriptures, or healing, or baptism. Is there any aspect of Christianity that did not exist before the birth of Christianity? This argument reminds me of unbelievers who think that the Epic of Gilgamesh somehow disproves the biblical story of Noah’s Flood, or that overlapping concepts between Christianity and Zoroastrianism undermine the legitimacy of the gospel, or that the overlaps of the Christian morality in the Epistles with that of the Stoics somehow negates the divine inspiration of the Epistles. Every type of miracle recorded in the New Testament is also present in pre-Christian Judaism or pagan religions. I would expect that to be the case whether Christianity were true or false. Ideals of brotherly love, self-sacrifice, grace, forgiveness, and other favorite doctrines of self-congratulatory modernist Christians are all visible in various pre-Christian religious sources, albeit not all put together in the same overall package as Christianity. If Christianity is true and tongues is valid, then it is unsurprising to find both counterfeits and genuine divine manifestations of the gift before the manifestation in the early church. 3. Why did Jesus forbid prayer with babbling/long repetitions if he was going to give it as a special gift?Again, this seems to be an argument for rejecting parts of Acts and 1 Corinthians rather than modern phenomenon that claim to be biblical glossolalia. This is hardly the only instance in which two superficially contradictory passage of Scripture need to be reconciled by believers today. Jesus elsewhere tells us to keep praying and not give up – so one must reconcile the anti-repetition passage with Jesus’ own injunction to reiterate (regularly) our prayers that are yet unanswered. |
| Christianity Etc › 10 Hard Questions About Speaking In Tongues With Answers by uvalued(op): 3:54am On Aug 19, 2017*. Modified: 4:45am On Aug 19, 2017 |
After reading 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues https://www.nairaland.com/3984994/10-reasons-why-every-believer and the various responses from some Christians and most especially otr1 who tried to convince me of the otherwise of Speaking in tongues, I came across this excellent response to Ten hard Questions about Speaking in Tongues by one D Stevenson (in the comment section). Check the various questions raised which I believe covered most of the comments on nairaland and the following answers. Enjpy  http://yuriystasyuk.com/ten-hard-questions-about-speaking-in-tongues-glossolalia-and-xenoglossy/ 1. QUESTION: Why do different charismatic groups have different vowels and accents of glossolalia?ANSWER: First, most charismatic and Pentecostal groups would not automatically accept the genuineness of all other groups that claim to speak in tongues. As a primary example, Oneness Pentecostals (anti-Trinitarian) generally do not believe that Trinitarians are really saved or have the Holy Spirit, so they would not expect the tongues of “false” Trinitarian groups to sound the same as their tongues, which they believe to be authentic. And vice-versa – I do not believe that anti-Trinitarians are fellow believers or have salvation, so I would expect their tongues to be phony, either manufactured humanly or a demonic counterfeit. I recognize that in your later question about non-Christians speaking in tongues, you take issue with the easy dismissal of these things as counterfeits, but the very same argumentation you use is used by atheists in response to the Christian dismissal of non-Christian religions as counterfeits. More on this below. The point here is that your ten points overall lead to the conclusion that ALL tongues are counterfeits, so it is illogical to then reject the possibility that SOME or even most could be counterfeits, and some real. Second, even if tongues were a valid manifestation of the Holy Spirit today, that does not necessarily mean that most people in Pentecostal churches are really doing it (as opposed to mimicking it), or even that most Pentecostals are believers or are saved. Like most evangelical churches many Pentecostal churches are full of people who live in flagrant sin, who are materialistic and superficial, and who are merely religious and have never surrendered their lives to Christ. Even if tongues were real today, it would be entirely possible that most people claiming to speak in tongues are not actually doing so. But this is true for every aspect of Christianity. Most evangelicals claim to base ALL their religious beliefs on the Bible, but very few of them have ever read the whole Bible, and most of them have an extrabiblical holiday (Christmas) as a major part of their annual religious observance. Genuine miraculous healings occur today, but there are many faked healings and exaggerated reports of healings. Genuine answers to prayer occur, but lots of religious people attribute events to their own prayers that would have occurred regardless of their prayers. Evangelicals claim that their churches are bastions of family values, yet the incidence of divorce and remarriage in their churches is similar to that in the general culture. The fact that most “tongues” today have phonetic features correlated to the geographic area or denomination could merely be evidence that an unfortunately small number of the speakers are genuine. If both of those answers seem to easy, here is a third: throughout your post about tongues, you seem to assume that tongues, if genuine, would be a single, universal heavenly language, and would sound the same everywhere. I reject this assumption. None of the biblical passages about glossolalia seems to indicate that it always sounded the same in the New Testament era. Some Pentecostals believe that glossolalia is really xenoglossy. There are approximately 8,000 spoken languages in the world right now, and presumably several thousand that have gone extinct over the centuries. It is possible, therefore that different believers (or even groups of believers) are speaking different languages unknown to them. 1 Like 3 Shares
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| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 7:39pm On Aug 18, 2017 |
otr1:first of all, i want you to understand that as much as you want acts 2 to reflect intelligent language you refuse to see this Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.the hearers heard "them disciples" at once in EACH of their tongues speaking the wonderful works of God.. not that peter spoke in arab, john in medes, james in mesopathiam etc rather as they spoke in tongues at the same time the Holy Spirit brought forth interpretation to the hearers. And to further show that some heard gibberish which is why some said 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.so we have it a form of experiment speaking in tongues some heard by God's interpretation while some heard gibberish. deny all you want its as clear as water except you areprejudiced. right up there you have sided with the pharisee who said Christ healed by the devil as you have insinuated that our speaking in tongue is not of Holy Spirit but of demons...i pray this is not held against you. on miracles signs and wonders, am wondering when the Lord says thus saith the Lord, didnt He saith the things He did -miracles signs and wonders- we that believe shall do and GREATER than what He did shall we do because Christ has gone to the Father and when people are seeking you for the sigbs and wonders, you come up with unbelief and say they are an adulterous generation. okay call my speaking in tongues blabber or gibberish, so were this that heard the apostles in acts 2 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.am glad am in the company of the apostles... keep mocking us...hahaha glory fall on us. wow okay can you show from this verses how many souls were saved after the following 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.i think cornelius speaking in tongues was false since no sol was saved like during the acts 2 episode . abi |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 7:02pm On Aug 17, 2017 |
otr1:wow interesting piece my dear but you failed to acknowledge the original authorwhich is plagerism. secomdly your points sounds valid but on closer scrutiny it fails to rubbish the glory and blessedness of speaking in tongues....*speaks in tongues* permit me to quote one or two of the well answered given by stevenson and i will post the answer as a topic on nairaland enjoy. .2. Why did glossolalia exist before the birth of Christianity?sroll down to DStevenson http://yuriystasyuk.com/ten-hard-questions-about-speaking-in-tongues-glossolalia-and-xenoglossy/ |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 3:06am On Aug 16, 2017 |
otr1:i did not read which cult speaks in tongue. give a name |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 6:53am On Aug 15, 2017 |
@Otr1 haha hmm u writing another epistle...pls paragraph or itemise each reason you are addressing. its so jumble up. lets get a grip of the topic using this question 1. you insinuated that cult speak in tongues, pls kindly share which cults. 2. can you justapose this verses acts 2:6-12 and 1cor 14:2 with respect to the audience the speaker was speaking to 3. you claim the tongue we speak started from 1900, and i gladly asked do you want to see how history on the side of tongues we speak... i will send you a pdf for you education. 1 Like |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 6:15pm On Aug 14, 2017 |
looney:i condemn and rebuke your assumed opinion...which aint yours |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 6:14pm On Aug 14, 2017 |
Investnow2017:deceived by the defeated god of the world... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 6:12pm On Aug 14, 2017 |
Investnow2017:hehe playing with words... may this not be held against you amen |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 6:03pm On Aug 14, 2017 |
otr1: You're not getting it and it's a pity.Am getting your prejudice clearly! Should i pity you sure because you dont need to speak in tongues to get to heaven but surely you will get there quicker! Why because you dont know how to stir up power nor build up yourself to face the deception from our defeated foe  It might interest you to know that pagan cults also "speak in tongues" so to say , the same way and manner you're trying hard to defend.please can you share which cult group precisely... interesting You asked me the meaning of the original greek word translated as tongues, I told you it means languages. Now you're telling me the definition of "new".hello re read that post i mentioned "new tongues" not just tongues... "new tongues " means "kainos glossolia" an unprecedented language which has never existed! Halleluyah If I started speaking Russian, German, Chinese, French, Japanese e.t.c. Fluently suddenly without being trained, what do you call that? [quote]Simples known language but that does not mean angelic (unknown) language does not exist! Can you speak angelic language?I dont deny intelligent language God could use but God is not limited by known language... why are you dodging this verse please explain if paul was referring to your known language 1 Cor 14:2 And I never said Paul was against speaking in new tongues, but trust me, he will weep if he hears you mumbling and you call it speaking in tongues.No he would weep for you that have refused to tap into the foolishness, weakness of God to man's mind 1 Cor 1:27-29 And besides, your version of speaking in tongues only came to be known after 1900.wow you soooo ignorant to say the least... if you are interested i will give you a link that shows that "unintelligent language" continued right after the last apostle left... do you want to have it?quote |
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i condemn and rebuke the lies. its my world |
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gods in imo please go and raise the dead. |
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Sagay212:bros i gree oh i saw a post of a nl who took drugs and was not cured rather worse 1 Like |
| Celebrities › Re: Phoenix Osinuga, Wife Of Nomoreloss Battles Fibromyalgia by uvalued(m): 12:49am On Aug 14, 2017 |
i rebuke and condemn Fibromyalgia, i proclaim death over you Fibromyalgia. i declare life to pheonix Osinuga. i demand you healed in Jesus Christ. 1 Like |
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EvangAsika:because gods like you have refused to use their blood bought authority to rebuke and condemn but rather cry to God WHO wont do anything which Hehas already finished! #letgodsARISE |
| Education › Re: Majority Of University Of Ibadan Lecturers Voted For Indefinite Strike - UI VC by uvalued(m): 12:39am On Aug 14, 2017 |
thank God NOUN is not part of ASUU. I rebuke the obstacle to the fg-ASUU 2009 agreement...i speak death to such obstacle and i declare life to the successful implementation in Jesus Name |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 12:16am On Aug 14, 2017 |
Nigeriadondie:then if what He promised them they used and when it comes to our time we think we are wiser than Him, we refuse and forbade sons of God from using same as they did in thier time. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 12:12am On Aug 14, 2017 |
Nigeriadondie:are you insinuating speaking/praying in tongues are lies that are created by religion? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 12:09am On Aug 14, 2017 |
Nigeriadondie:let the bible speak 1 cor 14 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 12:06am On Aug 14, 2017 |
otr1:yes tongues means glossolia but "new" in " new tongues " in mark 16:17 means "of a new kind; unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of” (317). And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;friend you are not the first to acknowledge that speaking in tongues is unintelligent to your mind, paul also acknowledge same in 1cor 14 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.so what gives? my spirit is praying/speaking in tongues but my understanding is unfruitful. however paul did not forbide speaking in tongues as you and others are trying so hard to reason ...pray tell me why would paul say "forbade not speaking in tongues" if its a mere language we are expected to speak  again i ask you how will my spirit speak in known language such as hausa and my mind cannot understand it? 1cor 12 is not contradicting speaking in tongues but emphasising it. but prejudice has blinded you to that fact that there is public and private speaking in tongues. in the public, when in church speaking in tongues should also have an interpretation but speaking/praying in tongues in private is used for edification and building up. but unfortunately the prejudice ones are condemning both. paul in 1 cor 14 was calling for orderliness in usage and he said forbade not speaking in tongues. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons Why Every Believer Must Speak In Tongues by uvalued(m): 6:25pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
bentuzene:in congregation yes if there is no interpretation he should be silent but in my privacy i can speak in tongue to my satisfaction like 1 to 2 hrs 2 Likes |
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