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Fro5t:
How is this much better than a Jade Cargill promo abeg?

also you can go on X and see what people are saying about it.

samistry:
Valee, you win o. I was wrong, please let this arguments die.( I know how much I for dn bill client on this case for my former life,if I dn dey shout like this since morning).

😂😂😂
Acknowledge Mercedes. E remain make una acknowledge Thekla.

samistry:
When they call you guys AEW cultists, you pick offence but you reason as one. I never declared Jihad against your favourite promotion.

I said Tony had the app as a backup in case Paramount airstrikes their deal.
(Similar happened to WCW when AOL/Time Warner merged). The new leadership didn't care for wrestling.

Did I mention it was about AEW doing badly or lack of profitability in our argument?

You never countered any argument about AEW losing it's TV deal. All you said was the app was innovative.
I questioned what was innovative about a streaming app coming out when competitors had theirs out for years.
I brought up the reason for innovating(launching the app) as you call it was tied to Triller having issues.

Isn't Triller issue related to the topic of discourse which is the app?

The bulk of that argument was centred on this innovation you claim was being brought.
There's a chain of flow and logic in that argument.

At the end of the day.
AEW can lose afford to lose its WB TV deal and shop for another network as Tony has enough funds to support it. No one said it's going to die. Rivalry is good for the business and wrestlers.

my argument was not about a possibility of a bad business, but your CERTAINTY that it was bad business that fueled them. Forget about Triller, the original quote was Paramount. I said "or it is innovative", and you replied "innovative indeed" claiming CERTAINTY that it was due to bad business. The very act was innovative regardless whether that was the original reason or not, let's know that.

Again, "innovative" can be used to define a personal growth and major change, regardless whether it's been done before elsewhere. I think that's where the problem in your arguement lies.

samistry:
I will not because she didn't put those wrestlers over. They merely reclaimed what was lost in the first place.
I dn type tire hand dey pain me sef.

Na wa o. Okay at least accept that you were wrong when you said she won't lose to anyone.

samistry:
I don't want to know the reasons but they all lost to indy talents abi they no lose? So why should we praise Mone like it's a new thing?
Like I said they're many of such instances but you won't know as you never make efforts to research. Your ignorance illuminates beautifully.

I didn't say praise her, give her her accolades by admitting you misjudged her by calling her proud and saying she won't put anyone over. Will you do that?

samistry:
It was a reaction to their streaming partner going out of business. Meaning if Triller was doing fine, they wouldn't have launched their app.
They were already streaming on Triller, what they're going to do on the app is nothing new(streaming).
How is it hard to comprehend? Go practice some Eddie chops against the wall until you get the point.

no dey lie again, you dey hear me so? Abi no be you be Samistry?👇🏿 "Airstrikes his TV deal", in other words insinuating that AEW is doing bad business and it won't be profitable for Paramount to continue to promote the show. When I countered that argument you immediately swooped in with Triller forgetting that argument has holes in it as it didn't concern TK. Now you're acting as if you were just critiquing the streaming site and not actually AEW. If it had nothing to do with TK why did you bring it up? I caught you right?

samistry:
What has she done that other wrestlers haven't which demand accolades ?
AJ Styles lost to an indy wrestler Kevin Steen in 2005.
Will Ospreay lost to an indy wrestler, Michael Oku in 2024.
Eddie Guerrero lost to an indy wrestler, CM Punk in 2002.
There are many more cases if you do the research. Those wrestlers didn't go on a vanity spree, requiring supporters like you shamefully glazing it as a novel concept.

AJ losing to Steen, okay. Though he wasn't a mega star then. Ospreay gave that loss as his effort for the company before leaving them (it's a wrestling tradition). Punk and Guerrero, now that's close (he wasn't in WWE at that time). That being said, that doesn't mean they should have done it and they didn't do it multiple times as Mercedes.

samistry:
Nobody forced her to have those matches and belts. TK also paid her for those appearances.
Those belts were nothing more than a prop for her image. The wrestlers were nothing more than a footnote in her quest to be Ultimo Dragon reborn.
What you're doing is blindworship without any room for criticism at the end of the day.
You've gone full APC bro.

bro, you've not made any strong point. A main-eventer should never lose to a midcarder, Mercedes did it. A megastar should never lose to an indy wrestler, Mercedes did that! And still you all (her antagonizers) have blatantly refused to give her her accolades, instead you all choose to continually shift the goal post and give shallow points to try to buttress your claim that she is proud.
I'm not doing back and forth. I have made my point, if you have yours, let's hear it.

samistry:
I'm being antagonistic because you gauffed when by terming it innovative. The news source said it came about as a reaction to their streaming partner having financial troubles. Abi is Meltzer who reported it also antagonistic towards AEW? Never go full sicko.

their streaming partner not TK. Triller not AEW. If Triller is going out of business how is it TK's (a customer) fault. This is grasping at straws abeg.
I can't shout.

pu7pl3:
Which build? Graphic designs ahead of time?

it was built the way AEW matches are built - altercations, promos, vingnettes.

Punk is turning heel man. Won't even apologize for invoking a dead wrestling legend? Called the Samoans stupid. Even had the crowd telling him to apologize. Smells heelish to me.

samistry:
If she wants to put them over, she can lose to them flat without the 50-50 title wins.

you take your biggest star and give them an 80/20 loss against midcard talent, then you can critique this.

pu7pl3:
interacted more with the wrestlers, build up their visibility and then drop the title to them.
That's how to put someone over but we all know that wasn't her plan in the first place.

that's what they did. You think the matches happened without a build?

samistry:
Nobody is placing baggage on TK. You were the one blindly worshipping the streaming app, terming it as innovation. Without looking up what the word meant or the circumstances that led to it.
Last I checked, AEW isn't Pyongyang, criticisms are welcome.

it is innovative to them, it hasn't happened before for them. Why will I say it's the first of it's kind when the WWE network came in 2014. My gripe with your argument is you seem to believe this initiative in inspired by bad business or low success in AEW when there's no evidence to back up whatsoever. Grasping at straws, being unnecessarily antagonistic, whatever; this is a good initiative and there's nothing wrong with it.

pu7pl3:
She isn't putting anyone over abeg
She is just dropping the titles she unnecessarily picked up

and its making news and she's selling it and will probably be referenced on Dynamite. You guys don't really have any points. This is plain cherry picking. She has ticked every box you guys accused her of not ticking.

samistry:
Ilja doesn't do rapid chop. Wetin come be this?
Compare his and Kingston chops in the
vid. If Eddie is the only one doing moves as they should be done then it's a terrible thing to have eyesight. Nuff said.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRADrC1E2vm/

Nuff not said. None of their chops are as fast as Kingston's except Kairi's towards the end and hers came out the same way Kingston's did. You guys should free this guy. He's not the only fat wrestler.

pu7pl3:
My points exactly, she didn't put anyone over yet abeg.

so tell us what she should have done.

samistry:
So you expect me to clap like a seal and praise Tony, the billionaire for launching his own streaming app?
Do you even understand what innovative is? Introducing new original methods or ideas.

There's nothing innovative in them launching a streaming app when companies like WWE, NJPW, TNA, MLW have had theirs for many years at this point. That's playing catchup.
It's like saying one praises Glo for launching 5G when MTN and Airtel did it years ago.

News making the rounds cites reason for launching the app is because their streaming partner is financially moribund. This catchup "innovation" was necessitated by duress.

fine replace the word 'innovative' with 'improvement', 'success'; same point. Triller isn't owned by Tony Khan is it? Why are you placing that baggage on TK? Stop grasping at straws.

samistry:
Ilya Dragunov and before you change the goalpost stating he works stiff. Nobody has gotten time out or hospitalised from being chopped in the chest.
The casual viewer, you want to accept wrestling as a real sport doesn't believe Eddie's chops have any more effect than a gentle tiddy massage.

Ilja doesn't do rapid chop, at least I haven't seen it. Show me a video.
An extra point to buttress; do you know that the chops are the only move that wrestlers legitimately do. They hurt you for real with a chop. As it is now, Kingston might be the only one doing it the way wrestling moves should be done. Think about that.

samistry:
That's why I said the whole belts winning gimmick was a vanity exercise to make Mercedes look good with 69 belts.
Is Red Velvet any more over than before she lost her title Mercedes?
What about Willow and
Mrs. BRUV, Alex Windsor? They are still in tag team purgatory.

The only one whose popularity peaked a little bit over the weekend is Persephone winning back her belt.
(yeye HBK no sign that correct babe instead na scrap like Elio Lefleur, Dorian Von Douche e dey sign of recent😭😭😭).

I agree that it is a vanity exercise but at least give her some credit for putting the indy talents over (I'd never do that I were her).
As for the other guys - again, she's done her job, whatever the winners do with the wins is left for them. Don't blame Mone for what could be Tony Khan's fault. It's not the first time in wrestling people are being put over but it doesn't reflect.

samistry:
What manner of warped logic is this? If you can't do a move that looks as good as what someone else does then don't do it. Simple.

who is the "someone else", bring that one at least. I've not been shy of changing my stance and you know that.

samistry:
This shouldn't be a ppv match.

I agree.

samistry:
In the case of the ROH, TBS, CMLL belts, she lost those titles back to same wrestlers she defeated in the first place.
None of those wrestlers are more over now than before they interacted with her.

it's not her fault though. She did her job. You guys said she doesn't put people over and she proved otherwise. Now you want to still blame her for them not being over? You want her to give them an arm and leg in the process or what?

samistry:
Why are you hurt bcoz I said there's nothing innovative having a streaming app? I call out BS regardless of the company.
I've critiqued WWE poor handling of Drew. I've mocked the Seth ninjutsu masked man angle.
Everyone knows how I feel about smackdown stale feuds.
I'm not going to pamper your favourite wrestling company just because they have matches you like. Grow the fu*k up.

if it's not innovative then why is everyone doing it, you can't answer that. At least find something legitimate to critique them and not something that is obviously a good idea and everyone else is doing.

samistry:
You dey argue with Person wey say Eddie Kingston chops make sense .

one thing I loved about my argument is it's practical. I tried it, bro it was hard. I dare you to also try it and show me a video of someone who did it better than Eddie. Send me a link and I'll change my stance. Before you say Japan, remember that Eddie has to make sure he doesn't injure anyone - it's not really the priority in Japan.

CoolUsername:
You gotta be shitting me...
Her cadence was off (and no, I'm not talking about her accent), her movements were stiff and seemed rehearsed, and she seemed nervous to me.
Jade and Rhea's promos were just lifeless and uninspired. Like two people just going through the motions.

bro you don't know what you're saying, you saw the tweets, Thekla is super comfortable on the mic far more than most of the wrestlers today.
Her Candence was off ke; she was making good use of her voice, sometimes she was high pitched, sometimes low, sometimes screaming, sometimes low toned, sometimes slow, other times fast. Then the story she was telling, you could follow it and relate with it. Who does a promo and has people talking about it on X so much if it wasn't good or at least memorable. Okay so if people are saying good things about you it means you suck?

CoolUsername:
That's how they hyped Wheeler Yuta up to be the next Stone Cold.
That's how they hyped Parker Boudreaux up to be the next Brock Lesnar.

this isn't about who is going to, this is someone who already is, this is the world champion and her work is being critiqued, big difference. There are so many that were hyped too in WWE and are or ended up being disappointments.

samistry:
Innovative indeed, even TNA that is basically on lifesupport has a streaming app.

and WWE that's not on life support. So please stop cherry picking to attack AEW, it's old.

pu7pl3:
How is she putting them over abeg. Dropping a title to someone in a random match with no build doesn't equate to putting the rando over.

she is. She's losing to them. A megastar losing to an indy darling is a put over with or with no build. How do you even know so, do you watch the indy shows?

Even on this platform @7700saint

You guys know your ways to X.

CoolUsername:
How can people be saying Jade Cargill's promo was shit and then be glazing this😭

Intensity.✔️
Cadence.✔️
Story.✔️
Demonstration.✔️
Pacing.✔️
Posture.✔️
Good use of cameras.✔️
Good use of arena.✔️
Finish.✔️

Cargill had everyone thinking about "muscles" at the end of a buildup promo to the biggest show of the year. Bad acting, bad voice, barely any emotion. I get it, you don't watch AEW, but at least have some grace and honesty.