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magicjack:
so there r no mud houses anywhere in d east, i dont know who u think is being deceived by this nonsense, i doubt ure even Igbo, if u r den ur a shame to ur tribe, and who told it is Igbo landlords that are much in SS cities, you think its like Lagos? the SS is diff ball game, Benin, Warri, Port harcourt, Calabar non are dominated by Igbos

no all the villages in SE ve skyscrappers n subways, as if they are not lots of poverty stricken places in every region, in every state in dis country, I think aba is even a city not a village, if I bring akwaibom cities ehn, lets not go there

morpheus24:
Still dancing around with semantics here. ''if the genealogical, cultural, linguistic and etymological tests fail to show that two people are of the same stock, there is one undeniable test that will resolve the issue.


Your people know what to do to shut these "lieing" Igbos up once and for all.

Ancestry.com and 23andMe is your friend, una get community for abroad that can afford the test. Please advocate for that

And this goes for the rest of the so called Anioma peoples, una people full for abroad, make una do the needful, otherwise all your lamenting na political manueavers.

our definition of a tribe is not based on those test criterias, if it were so all SS wud probably be same tribe but its not so

why do people always talk of history so confidently as if they were actually there when these things were happening, even the bible, The great word of God, has been shown that due to writing style of the authors of the diff books and lots of translactions has some reportive errors in telling events, thats THE BIBLE, not to talk of what was writing by one oyibo tourist who probably just wrote what he FELT, n all of us swallow it as unquestionable fact, wat a shame


our elders should organize massive DNA test just to convince you, bcus u r so important that we care what you believe, mtcheew

marvinsync:
the reason why I said Benin was because I heard someone saying u have Benin origin without proof

now as for the ika the reason why we say they are Igbo with edo influence is distance , like I said why would people 100 miles away speak the same language? there has to be a connection the ika are close to the Edo that's why they have some Edo influence but are not so close to the Igbos that u can say we influenced them


look we aren't tryna to force u ,its just y'all have serious identity crisis , the ikwerre people even have similar dialect to the Owerri people
why is that? did Owerri people use telepathy to make u speak their language? , there just have to be a reason why the ikwerre are like this , there has to be a connection and that's what I'm saying

if ur not Igbo then what are u?!!!

how do u know ikas are Igbos with Edo influence, and not Edos with igbo influence, cuz of distance? after edo is ika, after ika is aniocha igbo(or r u now saying d aniochas rnt igbos) its like saying cameroun is farther from nigeria than benin republic

ikwerre n owerri dont ve same dialect, its my tribe u cant lie to me

we're not igbo, we're ikwerre, after all the word 'Igbo' didnt come the very day the tribe started to exist

marvinsync:
closeness to who?
arochukwu?

trading?
lol trading isn't a strong enough factor to completely erase ur culture and replace it with ours cause trading would only affects traders

dude do research and find out how cultures die

now ( especially before colonization and technology) if u see a guy speak Igbo somewhere and u travel 50 miles and see another guy speak igbo ,it doesn't take a genius
to know there's a connection ,
u guys don't just speak Igbo, anybody can speak another language ,its the fact that u also have the names and similar culture ,and it is ur ONLY culture , u have no other culture, lineage or anything else ,it's ur one and ONLY culture and there is virtually no trace of anything else.

Its obvious youve not been to the south south, dats how u'll argue with isoko people dat they are silly for saying they r not urhobo, or. with annang pepo dat they are silly for saying der not ibibio

my simple question is, if these tribes can be seperated not as diff dialects but as diff tribes(n not bcuz of political reasons) then why cant ikwerre n igbo be seperate

Chinachriss:
This is just a section of Aba South LGA. Can you see the storeyed landscape. Ngwa post Uyo own osiso.

if you want to see Uyo and Other SS cities, click this link

https://www.nairaland.com/4236912/south-south-developed-lagos-abuja

Chinachriss:
This is just a section of Aba South LGA. Can you see the storeyed landscape. Ngwa post Uyo own osiso.

as you can see im not trying to create division, even as oron n ibibio r diff tribes, they r as close as pepo of same tribe. Im not trying to seperate igbos from ikwerres, i love igbos, i just to let some people know that u should always to claim youre always correct just cuz u dont understand the logic behind something, im explaining how ikwerres r not igbos, its for ur own educative good, if it were in south south, people would laugh bout many of the points u guyz r giving

well! to chinachriss,

1. my mum is from obio akpor and ive lived in PH, so im as much ikwerre as can be

2. FOR THE ONE BILLIONTH TIME, I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRIBE AND A DIALECT, AND AGAIN, SAME LANGUAGE DOESNT MEAN SAME TRIBE

3. why will I be jealous n bitter of Igbo?, I admire them alot bcuz der are amazing people, though second only to my SS people. so u pepo sud stop falling igbo hand by saying nonsense

4. oron are minus, ikwerre r minus, SS minorities r minus, yet the nation was n continues to be feed by the resources of these minorities, despite strong marginalisation these minorities r shining for their small population, again these minorities have the best cities in any region wit d likes of Port harcourt, Calabar, Warri, Benin, Uyo even Asaba is feed by oil money from des minors, any region dat feels they can challenge the south south sud signify n we'll do 1 on 1 comparism

bigfrancis21:
My brother, I've told viscerion to define for us here what makes one Igbo or not. He stylishly ignored my question. Many of the modern generation denying being Igbo have no idea of how things used to be in the past nor can they tell us what being Igbo means, what defines one as Igbo (if common ancestry or a common language, etc.). Back in the 1600s to late 1800s, nobody was directly called Igbo. Igboid speaking peoples identified with the name of their sub-tribe instead. An owerri man would tell you he is owerri, not Igbo. An onitsha man would tell you he is onitsha, an awka man would say the same, an mbaise man would say the same. There was no collective 'igbo' identity even up till the early to mid 1900s. It was also reported that Igbo slaves sold to the new world, upon arrival, were surprised to be called 'ibo'. Many had never heard of the name before and when asked where they were from, they mentioned the names of their respective sub-tribes instead. Slave ship manifest obtained for slaves arriving from the bight of biafra had them listing their tribes with many names such as 'aqoqua' (akokwa), 'isigue' (isigwe), 'oquella' (okwelle), 'aechee' (etche) etc. Back within Igboland, we did not see ourselves as one. Onitsha saw themselves different from Obosi. Mbaise different from Mbano. The British came along and noticed that we just speak variants (dialects) of the same language and Igbo was used to collectively refer to all bia-speaking peoples who have a concept of 'chi' as God. In terms of origin, we have different origins as lot of migrations took place in the past and thus the very basis of an Igbo identity/being an Igbo was based on linguistic and cultural identification. Being an Igbo doesn't stop an Awka or Owerri or Ezza man from being their sub-tribe first, before being Igbo. An Awka man is an Awka person and Igbo as well. An Owerri man is Owerri and Igbo as well. An Ikwerre who accepts being Igbo is an Ikwerre and Igbo as well. Being Igbo doesn't wipe nor stop you from being Ikwerre, you still maintain that sub-tribe name just as the ngwa, obosi, awka, mbano, igbuzo etc. person still maintains their sub-tribal name and are also Igbo. Some Igbo sub-tribes have had no problems accepting this wider ethnic group name and some, till today, have an issue with accepting the name and that is fine. Everyone has a right to self-identity to identify as what they want.

I've also noticed that some people on NL here barely know the difference between a dialect (a variation of a greater language) and a language itself (standalone language of its own). Igbo is a language, Yoruba is a language, Hausa is a language. Within a language, there are often variations/differences in words, pronunciations, inflections etc and these naturally occurring differences give rise to 'dialects' with a language. Nigerian Pidgin English is a language of its own and there are several dialects - warri dialect, Lagos dialect, PH dialect, Bayelsa dialect, SE dialect etc (each dialect is laced with local words from its area that makes it slightly different). Thus, Ibibio, Efik, Oron, Annang etc. are linguistically variants (dialects) of each other but politically they see themselves as different. Linguistically, however, they are all considered as dialects of each other.

ibibio n annang n oron r not diff dialects, they r diff tribes i wud know cuz im from akwa ibom, oron LGA. i know quite well d diff btw a language n a dialect, ibibio has its diff dialect, oron has its diff dialect

now to ur question dat ive been 'dodging' well since ibibio n annang despite similarities stand as diff tribes, while izon n kalabari which are far diff from each other decided to stand as same ijaw tribe, i guess the tribe of a pepi can actually b based on their decision to belong or not, thats my point, not based on language, or origins or culture, but by conviction,

i know someone will say "so if as an igbo man, my son decides hes no longer igbo, will dat automatically change his igbo status?" well remember that we all come from one place but since we no longer call ourselves jews, den overtime that boy's descendants can stand as a diff tribe

in the first place, igbo dont even have any strong proof dat ikwerre originated from igbo, only deir mumu logic of " if they speak igbo, they are igbo" come to SS and see that kind of logic fail

Chinachriss:
Look at this one. Who even developed the Port Harcourt? Igbos are still in control. We still run things.

Enugu, Owerri, Onitsha best Port Harcourt any time any day.

Igbo in control of Ph, 1st lie

Enugu, owerri, onitsha better than Ph, 2nd bigger lie

Ph was developed by d oil money from ph, bcuz den in eastern nigeria, the current SS cities didnt get attention lyk d SE cities, enugu was d best then in 1970, but since rivers left dat marriage ph has overtaken it n oda SE cities by far

morpheus24:
Look up the "definition" of what a tribe is and come back and read my responses again, simply because you understand the "meaning" of the word in its contemporary use, doesn't mean it cannot be argued to mean something else based on the "definition" of the word.

If I am making you think too hard then just forget about it, it means you like things simple. There is a reason I used the word "technically" in the earlier statement I made but please let's not go off topic.

Keep telling us how you "know " for sure that Ikwerre are not Igbo.

dont think ure so smart, smart guyz neva brag, thing is i ask a simple question but since u want to complicate it let me help you,

u may or may not know that the grouping of people in nigeria in tribes is based on the convention definition of a tribe according to the average nigerian logic, now since dat definition is wat created d yoruba, igbo n oda groups distinction, my question was based on this conventional definition and not on a technical term (which can have an endless range of universal definitions depending on the relativity of the people in question) now according to nigerian convention urhobo n isoko are diff tribes despite relative closeness as seen by outsiders (anyone who doesnt know dis is not well informed bout our constitution n d people from dis tribes,) now if despite strong similarities both groups r differentiated, then ikwerre n igbo (which dont not even ve as much resemblance as urhobo n isoko) based on same normal logic are not the same tribe, any technical definition dat makes igbo n ikwerre d same tribe also makes igbo n yoruba d same tribe.

hope u were smart enough to understand

morpheus24:
The argument ended when the OP could not produce substantial evidence of any kind other than old folk tales and some gibberish about what constitutes a tribe.

Your Honor, the prosecution rests!

n what hard proof do igbos have to backup their own claim if i may ask

morpheus24:
Where the results nah, no be for mouth.


You no fit produce am so your arguments have been reduced to heresay

if u come ph, we paste the result for rumuokoro n mile 1 junction say"ikwerre nor b igbo o"

morpheus24:
Technically Nigerians are an ethnic group with "collective ties" that differentiate them from the larger African population, so Yes,

so if nigeria is a tribe, why do we have igbo, hausa n yoruba as diff tribes, u c how u ve confused ursef, answer simple question "are urhobo n isoko the same tribe?, yes or no" u r saying it depends on dis one n dat one, if u dont know something dont use big english to package ur wrongness

Chinachriss:
As in ehh. We no even send them. Ndi ala everywhere. They could as well say they are from Sambisa, that's their fucking business.
Ikwerres are not Igbos.
We have been saying that overtime. They should stop using us to play to the gallery.

They are minorities. They should gladly accept the status quo and stop using us to illuminate their obscure group. Mtcheww!

ikwerre are minorities, ikwerre are lazy, ikwerre are anyhow, ikwerre are this n that, yet all d igbo big cities, non are near the level of ikwerre n ijaws' port harcourt

fero007:
LOL!!!!

i remember my days in uni ibadan when we did cultural day, we were grouped into four groups: yoruba(SW), igbo(SE), south south(include igbos in SS), and Hausa + northern minorities(including igbo n yoruba in benue, kogi n kwara).

based on yorubas thinking, they thought all those crazy ekombi n owigiri dance were owned by igbos, so they always mocked SS thinking we have no culture cuz they felt if we had they would ve known, but they knew our culture, they were just mistaking it for igbo. To confuse them more, while north, west, east were speaking hausa, yoruba, igbo, SS was speaking pidgin due to different tribes so they felt we didnt even have our own languages, we were the real underdogs, or so they thought?

going to the cultural day the SE were the favourites, on the day itself, SS killed the show

in dance, combining the acrobactic ishans, with the efik ekombi dance, the urhobo kiki dance, n the ijaw quick waist twisting, we won the dance competition

in dressing, a male dressed as an ibibio man, and a female dressed as a bini woman, we took fashion too

in food, our arsenal of afang, banga, bini groundnut soup, ofe nsala(so it doesnt like we are sidelining the igbos from SS) eaten with rivers' onunu, itsekiri's gun bobo, delta's starch n general akpu, we took food

in folklore dramatizing, we didnt need an interpreter since we were speaking pidgin, though strong warri kind of pidgin, and we acted the drama in form of a comedy, we won it handsdown too

Four competitions, 1st in all four, they are only two regions in nigeria, South South and others

yes now! all this tinz pepo praise igbo for, its cause theyve not seen Southsouth style.

Igbos are even aware of the ignorance of yorubas n hausas n they use it to their advantage, for example, they claim they own the resources n r the life of nigerian economy yet they are marginalized. When really, we know the truth that 96% of nigeria's oil is from SS, n oil is over 90% of nigeria's economy, as for the marginalization aspect, if igbos are marginalized what will you say of the SS tribes

morpheus24:
You had no idea by what I meant by the statement, did you?

You are talking about self determination which is subjective, White Americans are a tribe, clan or ethnic group of the larger european gene pool, They do not deny their origins nor fabricate history. They can confirm it any day just by a simple DNA test.

Ikwerre can self determine and become anything they wish to, I am not against that but in order to settle the matter of possible farbrications or distortions of origins or connnections to a group they seem to share numerous similarities, please tell your people to take a simple DNA TEST, if they cluster with Edo people then problem solved.

DNA DOES NOT LIE!!!!

weve done the DNA o, ikwerre cluster with india

morpheus24:
You are playing semantics here with the definitions of tribe, ethnic group, dialect and language.

If two groups in close proximity to each other speak a similar language this correlates with a similar genetic origin. Period

Clan names, tribes etc are fluid and can change depending on situations. Therefore Ikwerre may has started off within the igbo clan or group and diverged at a certain period creating a distinct dialect that later fits into what can be construed as a language of its own.

The Bantu tribes of South Africa are a clear example of this. Almost every ethnic group in that country are originated from the same stock of people however through time,new clans, tribes and ethnic groups have surfaced. The Zulu, Ndebele, Swati, Xhosa, are all distinct groups of people but who's languages are somwhat mutually understandable amongst them. They originate from a common ancestor and are referred as Nguni because of this.

THEREFORE SIMILAR LANGUAGE CORRELATES TO SIMILAR ORIGINS most of the time.

Stop endless and senseless socio political arguments.

ill ask a simple question, no dodging or avoiding the question just answer. Are Urhobos and Isokos of the same ethnic group?

magicjack:
my family n i went for DNA test this morning, and there is 0% igbo in our blood. Problem Solved!

Did mine too, results say 100% ikwerre, no atom of igbo in our generation, that means ikwerre is originally as far from Igbo as hausa and indian. So the everlasting questions "are ikwerres igbo?" the answer is "NOOOOOO!"

uzobaby:
what is a dialect and what is a language? ??what does rumuibekwe mean? What does Eze mean??why don't speak a language that sounds like I jaw your closest neighbour??Ikwerre is a dialect of Igbo just as we have Izii, Ezza, Nsukka, Ohafia, Asa dialects. .I understand a bit of Ikwerre than even Izii or Ezza or Ndoki.Languages have dialects which are its variants and a lot of factors affect these dialects as a result of proximity with people of other culture. .this where borrowing,acculturation influences these dialects. .in as much as the Ikwerre dialect is 80 percent mutually intelligible with the central Igbo ..it is not a full fledged language for now..as it stands the need to be seen as a separate is purely for political and economic reasons. ..

dis is my problem with many Igbos, acting as if they are the only ones who know evritin, I know the diff btw a dialect of a language and a language itself and it does not apply to my points at all. Ibibio and Annang are not diff dialects of same tribe, they are different tribes and each has its own diff dialects, ikwerre sef has diff dialects so it cant be a dialect of igbo.

AGAIN, THE SAME LANGUAGE DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THE SAME TRIBE, if you dont know this, its cuz ure not exposed to diff tribes, thoes from the SS have a good understanding of what im taking about

bigfrancis21:
Ikwerres are descended from Arochukwu, their founder being a man called Okpo Wagidi from Arochukwu. Other people arrived later to join them, such as Awka blacksmiths etc. The older Ikwerre generation, especially those born before the civil war know this. An older Ikwerre would see an Arochukwu and call him/her 'wene m', because they understand the ancestral connection. This explains why the Arochukwu people held sway in Ikwerre land for quite sometime, as mentioned in Elechi Amadi's book. The rebellion against 'Igbo' domination in Ikwerre land wasn't really against the entire Igbo group in general but against the Aros in particular (whom the Ikwerre saw as 'isoma' or Igbos and the rebellion spread against all Igbos).

The current Ikwerre generation know nothing about their ancestry and are raised with this anti-igbo mentality from childhood that they grow up believing it is so true even when they grow up and are presented with cogent facts that challenge their beliefs. For some, it is often a shocker to discover that what they have been told and what they have held so dearly all their life isn't what it seems. They know the truth but will still deny being Igbo.

DNA test conducted on the Ikwerre population will confirm this - Igbo ancestry, even Ibibio ancestry by way of Arochukwu but hardly any Bini ancestry. DNA test cannot be disputed. Any so-called Bini ancestry story is only but a recent made-up story.

Have they done any DNA test before? The reason we dont believe we are Igbo is that, when they raise the arguments, all igbos will say is "since they speak igbo, then they are igbo. since they are near igboland, then they migrated from igbo, since they this, then they that.......e.t.c...."

forgeting that all these points are just hypothesis, they are yet to come up with any undeniable proof that ikwerre are igbo

uzobaby:
@op using rumuighoroya as example..what then does rumuibekwe,rumuobiakani,rumuokoro,rumuoma mean in BeninUkwani is even more intelligible than the dialect spoken in Ohafia,Effium in Abakaliki, Ezza etc...You are not Igbos yet you understand and bear Igbo names..why not bear Yorubas or Hausa names if you feel the name you bear doesn't matter...you keep denying being Igbos yet the present Ikwerre and Ukwani still give their children Igbo names..the denial of Igbo ancestry I see and understand is purely for political and economic reasons. ..aside that nothing else...my name nah Amaechi..but I no be igbo. .my name nah Chukwuma but I no be Igbo. ..my name nah Ogbonna but I no be igbo...when you say all these how does it sound? ??tell yourselves the truth for once..if you like claim not Igbo..you are on your own..

i ve said it times without number, a name or language does not determine a peoples tribe. they are countless examples, the annangs n ibibios, urhobos n isokos, yorubas n itsekiris, even many tribes in the north speak hausa as their language because hausa colonize them, you dont know the reason why ikwerre speak igbo, but im saying the mere fact that we speak same language with igbo doesnt automatically make us igbo

politics aside, me personally have no problem when people call me Igbo, there is nothing wrong in being Igbo, my problem is when I try to correct them that im ikwerre and they'll want to argue my own tribe with me

morpheus24:
Viscerion, there is nothing "big" about the if at all. The fact is no one is truly ready to put this case to test or to rest because it is more advantageous to continue to use it for ethno-religious and socio-political agendas.

If you notice the so called 'arguements" that continue to ensue about this matter base their "facts" or evidence on oral traditions, cultural practices, affinities to certain deities and the likes, all of which are "subjective", can be constructed, misconstrued or fabricated. DNA however does not lie.

if a group of people from your village travel from uyo to Imo state, their children settle there, retain their traditional akwa ibom names with variations and speak a language that sounds like a hybrid of Igbo and Ibibio and then all of a sudden down the line claim they originated from some town inside Imo state, DNA will prove without a doubt if tested that the group of people are related to you genetically and therefore are an offshoot of your people regardless of the changes in culture, language or traditions, period.

exactly we need a DNA test to know if ikwerre truly came from igbo or not, until then no one can be sure

dprsauce:
You are just a fool. Are you trying to spark up the air

if u ve points to prove ur argument state them, like what bigfrancis21 did, instead of just insulting cuz no one will learn anything new from it

bigfrancis21:
Point of correction:

1) Osa in Igbo names is the short form of Olisa/Olisabuluwa which means God. Just as we have Chi which is the short form of Chukwu. Chukwuemeka/Chiemeka, Chukwudi/Chidi, Chukwuoma/Chioma etc. Osa in Bini comes from 'Osanobua' vs Osa in Igbo from 'Olisa'. Coincidence in names and meaning.

Olisakwe/Osakwe....if God permits/agrees. Some people answer Chikwe instead. For eg, the popular Mrs Kema Chikwe from Imo state.

2) While both Osakwe/Osakhue in Igbo/Bini might sound familiar, the Binis do not have 'kw' in their original alphabet. Until recently, they have always spelt the name as Osakhue or Osakue. Any 'kw' usage in Bini language indicates a borrowing of the 'kw' feature from the Igbos. The equivalent of 'kw' in Bini would be 'kh' but going by recent prominence of 'kw' in usage in Bini, the Binis are starting to adopt 'kw' over their native 'kh'.

3) Igbos and Binis have quite a lot in common culturally and linguistically. Back in the day, the Nri held a strong religious influence in Ani Idu and surrounding environs such that the Binis borrowed the Igbo 4 market days of the week (Eke, Oye/Orie, Afor and Nkwo known respectively as Eken, Orie, Aho and Okuo in Bini). In addition to the Edos, the Igalas and Idomas adopted the Igbo system of market days. On the reverse side, the Bini influence on the Igbo-speaking people is felt more in Anioma land in their kingship structure and also some linguistic influence.

4) Ogbemudia is a Bini name which would surprise many Igbos when broken down - Ogbe mu dia = my lineage exists. Exactly the same meaning in Igbo, but hardly borne by Igbos only Binis.

Igbo Alphabet
https://static-naija.akamaized.net/vllkyt1f4lu22ethug.71c781ea.jpg

really! well I didnt know this, I guess ure right, i neva agrued if there is 'kw' in bini or d origin of osakwe in bini, i only said that the name 'osakwe' exists in bini which u have proven, though its a modern form of original 'osakhue'. I dont know the names history but i know its there, i ve seen countless bini people answer the name

Youre right though, we learn everyday, i guess thats why its probably d only bini name with 'kw'

morpheus24:
1. Language is usually a strong indicator of origins or close ties with a neighbour group that speaks a similar language. The lexicon, grammar and alphabetic formations of the Igboid languages seem to point to the "igbo language" as the source language ergo the origins of the people. There is usually a linear relationship with languages that are similar to each other. The linguists that dubbed these languages as Igboid, did so using such logical reasoning.


2. Population Genetics usually correlates with the above linguistic theory as well, In other words if two groups in close proximity to each other speak a variant or similar language it is very likely they emanate from the same source population or one group diverged from the other. In this instance the source population "Igbo" are a larger ethnic group in the surrounding areas therefore it would be logical to infer that these 'igboid" groups emanated from that source population leaving the below possibilities outside of genetic testing to confirm this.



a. The igboid groups migrated out of the source or "core" population "Igbo", intermingling with a new group causing both a genetic and linguistic drift from the original source group to the new group creating a hybrid ethnic group ergo the divergence from the source language.

b. The migrating group still retained a majority of their genetic makeup and are therefore still genetically Igbo with of course a minute inflow of genes and language from the neighbouring group.

c. It is the other way round, smaller non Igbo groups migrating to Igbo areas adopting parts of their language and possibly a small inflow of genes from the Igbo groups but are genetically distinct from the Igbo.

These are the only logical The key to ending this tiring debate is quite simple. Take the DNA of a large group of these Igboid groups if their genetics tie significantly with the Igbo then it means that they without a doubt originate from this group even if they wish to self identify as something else.

DNA does not lie. People really don't want to end this issue because if they really did they could. Most prefer to politize the issue and argue in endless circles.


It is very possible that these groups of people may Igbo migrants that adopted certain words form their new or adjourning neighbours, it is also possible they are a hybrid group as a result of two source groups intermixing both genetics and language. It is also possible that the source group remained genetically the same and simply adopted words from neighbouring groups as well.

The linear relationship used by linguists to connect peoples of similar origins is what is in play here as many linguists categorized these languages as Igboid because it would be assumed that the source p following the used to connect peoples with similar languages in Africa usually

True, but its a big 'IF'

ariesbull:
We don't know you and we don't recognise you in a faceless forum ...tell your kings to say it or your statesmen

We don't listen to touts and urchins in the streets

so cuz i dont agree with u bout my tribe, im now a tout, my entire family dat said ikwerre is not igbo is a toutish family?, if i had said ikwerre is igbo then i would ve been responsible?

SMH, calling you a bush pig will be an insult to bush pig

pazienza:
Osakwe is not a Bini name. If an Edo person bears the name, then know that the Edo person must have been influenced by the their Igboid(Ika) neighbors.

The letter "Kw" doesn't exist in Bini alphabet.

r u a bini person?

to end dis argument u dont have to take my word for it, just go n ask a benin person if osakwe is a bini name, what they tell is the truth, forget what me or anyone else will here

Bede2u:
igbos dont marry ss girls that much.

Apkabio wife is igbo...wike wife is igbo

dey dont marry dem, but igbo men dey trip 4 SS girls die, just that u dont marry someone just cuz ur drooling for dem

See proof, ask an average nigerian man who he prefers: Igbo girl or Calabar girl

Bede2u:
Lol...we know.

the pic can also be when igbo guy sees south south girl, lol

fero007:
yoruba ve gud food too as all d tribes, i just felt those 3 are d best

yoruba are not that bad though, just that compared to SS n SE, well......... (hazard is good but hes not up to messi) u know i mean lol

fero007:
lol, no p, but u pepo sud not end up like warri and port harcourt dat speak pidgin to the extent that theyve lost their normal languages

i think d problem of warri n ph is dat both cities are multiethnic

ariesbull:
Oga stop fooling around


Just give me two Benin names that have
Kwe


It's simple ...are you this retarded

im not an edo person o, so the fact that I dont know of other two bini names that have kwe now means osakwe is not a bini name? that is a very wrong logic for arguments

ariesbull:
Stop arguing ...there is nothing like "kwe" in Bening language ...bros just show me a village or any other name that has kwe in Benin language

At least in Igbo we have chiwke, obikwe, osakwe , okwadiki ,


Just tell me one or two Benin names that have "kwe" before I can take you guys serious

Don't come here and make a mockery of your education and your training

ure d one making a mockery of ur home training, after BSc n MSc u still have d manners of a goat, read back through dis thread, countless edo people have told you osakwe is a bini name, the whole world knows osakwe is a bini name, be waiting for me to come n carry u to a bini village,