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morpheus24:
I continue to find these arguments quite archaic and outside the realm of today's realities in identifying ethnic groups.

It is quite easy to find out if there is a linear correlation btw linguistic similarities and an ethno-genesis of a people.

All someone need do is conduct a large scale genetic study using samples from all these groups in question and compare contrast with other adjourning groups around them if the groups studied cluster genetically then there is conclusive evidence buttressed by the linguistic similarities that indeed the groups branched off or originated from the same source population somewhere in the near past.

The rest of all this gibberish simply has a political undertone to it.


This is the 21st century

Shikena!

true! but what makes igbos so sure that from genetic results, ikwerre n its likes will b closer to igbo than any other groups. for all we know of their history (n dahs very little given many diff versions, but igbo pepo only want to believe d version dat says they come from nkwerre) is it not possible they may b edo or ijaw who picked up igbo language n culture?

ariesbull:
When reasonable and notable ikwerre people said they are Igbo ...and the street touts and Ur jobs said they are not Igbo...whom do we believe?

I am waiting for the king in ikwerre to say they Re not Igbo...up till now I haven't seen any



Below are position of Tonto dike and Amaechi

there are countless threads on nairaland, where we have confirmed that ikwerre is not igbo, with good points, but u guess they r all thrash since its not what you want to believe

ariesbull:
I studied humanities in BSC and MSC so bro ...if it's that human angle...bring it on ! I am here

osakwe is a bini name oo, i didnt need BSC n MSC to know that, one visit to benin and i saw countless bini people bearing d name, it is one of d most common bini names, and i learnt it means d same thing in bini and igbo.

well d good thing is if u keep insisting, its only who are not familiar with bini u maybe able to deceive, all bini people here and all those who know about bini very well, will know you are either lying or deceiving yourself, u can neither deceive them nor me

ariesbull:
Please bear in mind that we have Irish names and English names ...these are not it


And these are not Irish names they are English names

Irish and English are completelydifferent languages. They are members of different branches of the Indo-European language family, Irish is Celtic and English is Germanic. Irishvocabulary is very different. The Irishalphabet is smaller.


Please, Irish don't speak English as a first language....they speak English as a form of second language just like us due to conquest ...don't mistake this


They are completely unrelated. Irish is an ancient Celtic language closely related to Scottish Gaelic and Manx and more distantly related to Welsh, Cornish and Breton. It is completely unrelated to English except at the level that English, Irish, Russian and Sanskrit are all Indo-European tongues.

lol, my guy dah said osakwe is not bini name

fasterwell:
Someone already said that this topic has been treated on this forum before but its obvious that you are here judging by your time of registering on the forum.

So, i will respond based on facts..

1. The origin of Igbos in Bonny and Opobo can be traced to the era of slave trade and the abolishment of the slave trade.

Read here

https://www.nairaland.com/732794/igbos-bonny-igbodefender.com

They were real Igbos who stayed back and settled in Bonny and Opobo after the slave trade was abolished. They are now indigenes of Bonny and Opobo.

In nny own town, a son of a hired servant from core Igboland is now a reigning king of my community and they are now Ikwerre indigenes.

2. The case of Urhobos and Ishkos of Delta is that they both wants to rule themselves and decides what happens in their domain and the sane thing that happened between Ogoni and Eleme people of Rivers state...

Again the same thing was what transpired between the Ikwerres and the Igbos. The Ikwerres were tired of being treated as slaves or servants to the Igbos especially the people of Arochukwu who lorded themselves over the Ikwerres

Late Senator Obi Wali once said that as a little boy, he used to carry his father's chair to the village meeting but as soon as an Arochukwu man arrives at the meeting and there was no seat for him, his father would surrender his own seat to the Arochukwu man and then sat on the floor.

I also remembered when an Igbo man who was not from Rivers state was representing the Ikwerres in the federal house of representatives,

So for that purpose the Ikwerres vowed to cut ties the core Igbos so they can rule thenselves and decide what hapens in their domain. The Ikwerres had to do what they did to be free from intimidations by their Igbo brothers and for politival gains..

3. Calabar was the capital of old Cross River state which the current Akwa Ibom was part of. There were several tribes like Anang, Efik, Ibibio etc. The creation of Akwa Ibom state was not because of tribes or identity crisis but to bring governance close to the people.

Or are you trying to tell us that the Ijaws in Rivers State are different fromt the Ijaws in Bayelsa and other states?

4. It is not by dressing or dancing but the origin. That you now wear shrts,, suits, trousers and dance hip pop, does that makes you an American?

5. Check the meaning of Timi in Ijaw and yoruba if they are the same. Chika is an Igbo and Ikwerre with same meaning

6. Even some part of Abia state either Arochukwu or Ohafia also has link with Bini..

7. Also for the benefit of staying alive, the Ikwerres had no other option but to deny the Igbos during the civil war so federal troops won't wipe them off. Don't forget that the Ogonis and Ijaws already told the federal troops that Ikwerres were Igbos which triggered the killings of innocent and defendless Ikwerres by the Nigerian army until the Ikwerres denied being Igbos.

8. Even Asa in Abia state has different dialects let alone Ikwerre. Igbo language has many sub - languages and each sub - language has many dialects which Ikwerre happens to be one of then.

9. Even the Yorubas, Hausas, Ijaws, Ogonis, Efik calls the Ikwerres Igbos...

TO CROWN IT ALL THE IKWERRES AND IGBOS HAS THE SAME ANCESTRAL GOD CALLED ANADIOHA

this is the first meaningful argument someone has raised, im happy dat you gave points instead of insulting, ur right in some places but i think u misunderstood me in some

1.) i brought up the point of bonny to show that the same language doesnt mean the same tribe

2.)i meant that as similar as both tribes are, urhobo n isoko remain diff tribes(at least thats what evrione says in warri) so ikwerre n igbo can be diff tribes despite similarities

3.) i neva meant akwa ibom has formed due to tribes, even in akwa ibom, ibibio n annang stands as diff tribe despite similarities just as urhobo n isoko

4.)i brought up dress n dance to reference points 2 n 3, to show dat similarities btw ikwerre n igbo are not even that much in the first place

5.)ur right about dis one

6.)is it link as in, they originate from there? cuz if so based on the logic igbos r using, then bini may not be wrong to claim arochukwu

7.)maybe, though my mum told me ikwerre ve been saying der not igbo long b4 d civil war

8.)ure right bout dis too

9.)ure right of hausa n yoruba, but no SS tribe calls ikwerre igbo

u cant use ancenstry, we all came from adam, doesnt mean we are all jews, for all we know, if u go back far enough, hausa n igbo may have same ancenstry, no one knows were edo came from, it may be same as ijaw. therefore there is really no standard way of grouping pepo in a tribe

to an average informed igbo man in SE, ishan n bini are similar, to many yorubas, d igbos urhobos n efiks r d same, to a chinese, igbo n ashanti of ghana are d same, so even using similarities is wrong, bcuz similarity is relative.

therefore we there is no standard way of grouping a tribe, unless d pepo acknowledge d tribe

fasterwell:
Someone already said that this topic has been treated on this forum before but its obvious that you are here judging by your time of registering on the forum.

So, i will respond based on facts..

1. The origin of Igbos in Bonny and Opobo can be traced to the era of slave trade and the abolishment of the slave trade.

Read here

https://www.nairaland.com/732794/igbos-bonny-igbodefender.com

They were real Igbos who stayed back and settled in Bonny and Opobo after the slave trade was abolished. They are now indigenes of Bonny and Opobo.

In nny own town, a son of a hired servant from core Igboland is now a reigning king of my community and they are now Ikwerre indigenes.

2. The case of Urhobos and Ishkos of Delta is that they both wants to rule themselves and decides what happens in their domain and the sane thing that happened between Ogoni and Eleme people of Rivers state...

Again the same thing was what transpired between the Ikwerres and the Igbos. The Ikwerres were tired of being treated as slaves or servants to the Igbos especially the people of Arochukwu who lorded themselves over the Ikwerres

Late Senator Obi Wali once said that as a little boy, he used to carry his father's chair to the village meeting but as soon as an Arochukwu man arrives at the meeting and there was no seat for him, his father would surrender his own seat to the Arochukwu man and then sat on the floor.

I also remembered when an Igbo man who was not from Rivers state was representing the Ikwerres in the federal house of representatives,

So for that purpose the Ikwerres vowed to cut ties the core Igbos so they can rule thenselves and decide what hapens in their domain. The Ikwerres had to do what they did to be free from intimidations by their Igbo brothers and for politival gains..

3. Calabar was the capital of old Cross River state which the current Akwa Ibom was part of. There were several tribes like Anang, Efik, Ibibio etc. The creation of Akwa Ibom state was not because of tribes or identity crisis but to bring governance close to the people.

Or are you trying to tell us that the Ijaws in Rivers State are different fromt the Ijaws in Bayelsa and other states?

4. It is not by dressing or dancing but the origin. That you now wear shrts,, suits, trousers and dance hip pop, does that makes you an American?

5. Check the meaning of Timi in Ijaw and yoruba if they are the same. Chika is an Igbo and Ikwerre with same meaning

6. Even some part of Abia state either Arochukwu or Ohafia also has link with Bini..

7. Also for the benefit of staying alive, the Ikwerres had no other option but to deny the Igbos during the civil war so federal troops won't wipe them off. Don't forget that the Ogonis and Ijaws already told the federal troops that Ikwerres were Igbos which triggered the killings of innocent and defendless Ikwerres by the Nigerian army until the Ikwerres denied being Igbos.

8. Even Asa in Abia state has different dialects let alone Ikwerre. Igbo language has many sub - languages and each sub - language has many dialects which Ikwerre happens to be one of then.

9. Even the Yorubas, Hausas, Ijaws, Ogonis, Efik calls the Ikwerres Igbos...

TO CROWN IT ALL THE IKWERRES AND IGBOS HAS THE SAME ANCESTRAL GOD CALLED ANADIOHA

this is the first meaningful argument someone has raised, im happy dat you gave points instead of insulting, ur right in some places but i think u misunderstood me in some

1.) i brought up the point of bonny to show that the same language doesnt mean the same tribe

2.)i meant that as similar as both tribes are, urhobo n isoko remain diff tribes(at least thats what evrione says in warri) so ikwerre n igbo can be diff tribes despite similarities

go ahead, analyze, i started my post with we are all here to learn, i know weve thrashed this issue many times but as you see it tends to create more confusion than answers, so i made a simple way to treat it

my mum is ikwerre, and im not denying that they are igbos in rivers and delta states, just that the ikwere n ukwale people are not the igbos in SS. we have igbos in aniocha n oshimili LG in delta, the ukwani are in ndokwa LG, they r a diff tribe

Alero3Arubi:
Tell them oooo.
They will not hear.
Will soon come to fight and claim nonsense right now.

abi o, its only to insult they know, they cant argue with points, I got these points from another thread from an ikwerre person for that matter

We are all hear to learn, but some group of people are strong headed and hellbent on deceiving others, so this is to prevent deception

To all yorubas, hausas, all northerners, and south southerners, the next time you enter an argument with an Igbo person on whether ikwerre, ukwuani, ika of delta are igbo? just give the igbo person these following points

1.) people of bonny in rivers are ijaw, yet they speak igbo. tribe is not by language
2.)urhobos and isokos of delta are like twins, yet they maintain their status as different tribes, go to warri and see
3.)Ibibio and efik of akwa ibom and cross river despite strong similarities maintain their status as different tribes, it is we outsiders that just grouped all of them as "calabar people"
4.) ikwerre people have as much similarities with ijaw as with igbo, come to rivers and see, ikwerre main dressing and dance like ijaws
5.) yorubas answer timi, ijaw people also bear timi does that make ijaws yoruba?
6.) though not confirmed, they are evidences that show ikwerre and ika of agbor MAY come from Edo, which may explain the name "rumuighoroya"
7.) Even Non Nigerians from togo, ghana e.t.c claim to be Nigerians if it will favour them jobs, admission, social benefits, e.t.c, after all GEJ an ijaw man gave himself azikiwe to get favour from igbos, so dont be surprise when famous ikwerre people all themselves igbo, same people will claim hausa if they can if it will favour them
8.)Ikwerre has different dialects, so ikwerre itself cannot be a dialect under igbo
9.) why is it only Igbo people that keep insisting that ikwerre and ika and ukwani of delta state are igbos, when even the ikwerre, ukwani people dont insist that

i could go on and on, dont be deceived, rumuighoroya meka we

immhotep:
Yeah right.
We all know that Ikwerre will quickly become Igbo if Rotimi Amaechi contests for president.
Quit peddling deception.

Cc lzaa jumpandpas greenback eternaltruths Sarkin sarrki

i doubt you and aries are even igbo, igbo people are very sensible and dont go around rubbish of what they dont know like aries, they are level headed, mannered and dont act immature and stone headed

to all real Igbo people, i hail, one love south east n south south

magicjack:
well its clear ariesbull n immhotep just want to be deceiving themselves so ill leave them

To all yorubas, hausas, all northerners, and south southerners, the next time you enter an argument with an Igbo person on whether ikwerre, ukwuani, ika of delta are igbo? just give the igbo person these following points

1.) people of bonny in rivers are ijaw, yet they speak igbo. tribe is not by language

2.)urhobos and isokos of delta are like twins, yet they maintain their status as different tribes, go to warri and see

3.)Ibibio and efik of akwa ibom and cross river despite strong similarities maintain their status as different tribes, it is we outsiders that just grouped all of them as "calabar people"

4.) ikwerre people have as much similarities with ijaw as with igbo, come to rivers and see, ikwerre main dressing and dance like ijaws

5.) yorubas answer timi, ijaw people also bear timi does that make ijaws yoruba?

6.) though not confirmed, they are evidences that show ikwerre and ika of agbor MAY come from Edo, which may explain the name "rumuighoroya"

7.) Even Non Nigerians from togo, ghana e.t.c claim to be Nigerians if it will favour them jobs, admission, social benefits, e.t.c, after all GEJ an ijaw man gave himself azikiwe to get favour from igbos, so dont be surprise when famous ikwerre people all themselves igbo, same people will claim hausa if they can if it will favour them

8.)Ikwerre has different dialects, so ikwerre itself cannot be a dialect under igbo

9.) why is it only Igbo people that keep insisting that ikwerre and ika and ukwani of delta state are igbos, when even the ikwerre, ukwani people dont insist that

i could go on and on, dont be deceived, rumuighoroya meka we

wenem meka we, nne m bu ikwerre

very true, especially no 3, evritime people see efik pepo n dey ask me what they are saying, and i say i dont know its not my tribe, im oron, akwaibom, they just hiss and say "ehen akwaibom, crossriver is it not same thing?" im tired of correcting"no! its not the same thing"

chokik' ogoziganyi

magicjack:
and yet port harcourt, the city of lazy backward ikwerre people, is far above any city of the almighty igbos

lol, abi na, the city of lazy ikwerres n ijaws is nigeria's no 3 city, next thing ariescow n impotent will come here n start fighting dat ph is not an ikwerre city, watch

fero007:
ok u ve a point, but remove sapele n abraka from the list, i put them there for their great rivers, not to mean their people are riverine, but gbarigolo, ofoni, oduophiri, anibeze are some of many urhobo communities whose people and way of life is just as riverine as the ijaws and itsekiris

true, i know oduburu in patani LGA, the first time i thought they were ijaw because of their way of life until i heard their language it was urhobo. and i ve an urhobo friend from ofoni who talks of the riverine nature of his people.

i dont know of the rest, but i know oduburu n ofoni are riverine urhobo people

Shugavee:
SS meaning

i thought you are very educated, and you dont know what South South Nigeria is?

Shugavee:
sapele Abraka is riverine,, just because there is river crossing it’s coast don’t make it a riverine tribe,,, don’t confuse urself!! U maybe right about Izon being like urhobo because I really don’t know there for sure! But ijaws n urhobo hv less than 5% similarities in anything!! Periwinkle ain’t eaten by Igbos?? Or by Yorubas so how is using periwinkle n crayfish in banga soup make their meals dominated by sea food! If that ijaw music u mention sound urhobo that means they used the urhobo style.. Hv u ever been to a cultural party where pure ijaw music r played?? Their language n sound don’t mix. I hv a river in my village too! what of Asaba people very close to the big 9ja river will u call the oshimil people riverine people? Urhobo is not a riverine tribe!!

actually those periwinkle, prawns, calms are far more common among the SS tribes than any other tribe

@ fero n 93, its okay, its obvious aries n his likes dont want to learn, weve been given good points n in return they either insult or derail sturbornly, they are free to believe what they want as long as we know the truth

well since they ve said ikwerre is igbo, then i ve no choice, i must be igbo, my own opinion n d opinion of my people is stupid, only theirs is correct

fero007:
chokike meka, wenem bianu, since u are ikwerre, pls answer dis question, are ikwerre people igbo? lets hear from the horse's mouth

lol, wenem truth is ikwerre is NOT igbo, n im not saying that cuz my mum told me am not igbo, i did research and found out what you said is true, same language doesnt mean same tribe, a good example is in rivers state where the ijaw people of bonny n opobo have adopted igbo as their language, that doesnt mean they are igbo

infact ive noticed the only people that call ikwerre igbo are either politicians for political advantage or ignorant nigerians or some(not all)Igbo people that want to force ikwerre as part of them so they can claim ph and access to the sea

fero007:
i know how 2 end this arguement, any rumuighoroya here?

wenem meka we, nne m bu rumuighoroya, so anam bu rumuighoroya

Shugavee:
sorry but u are wrong,, if the argument is if Tonto is Igbo, yes she is,, but if that Rivers is an Igbo dominated state or in the east? Then no... but Tonto is very much Igbo!! But she isn’t from the east. There are igbos in delta, rivers n Edo State,, speaking different dialects

sorry o we are all here to learn, i believe you wont be as foolish as dat ariesbull, me ive lived in port harcourt, ive mingled with the educated, rich, poor n hustling of the ikwerre people, and anytime this argument comes up, they will tell you that ikwerre is not igbo, and i know tonto dikeh is ikwerre, that sud mean tonto dikeh is not igbo.

or can you explain why tonto dikeh is igbo, why ikwerre is igbo, and how 98% of rivers people are wrong about their own tribe

fero007:
i dont know much bout cross river n akwa ibom, i last went der 9 years ago, but from where ive been in d south, naija pidgin rank as follows
1. Warri 2. Port harcourt and Benin 3. Yenagoa 5.Sapele 6. Ughelli 7. Calabar, Asaba n all oda SS towns, den 8. Aba, Onitsha, b4 9. lagos n odas dat speak dull pidgin

heres my own, its a mixture of warri and port harcourt pidgin

abobi, fowl don lay boiled egg, yanis wey dey ikoro b say ojo land 4 ikoro dey cramp men wey don commit tire dey reach okere, base on say men con dey decharge ehn, nai ekelebe root kala dey throwaway, dey tam one shenkes leg, e dey general now o, base on dah level ehn, we nor o fi reach braah osas dormot go declare dis nite because area don red, kpokpor dey carry dey kama kama nw, i nor cap o

at least akwa ibom we still try for pidgin pass SE and SW, small small we go pass warri sef

ariesbull:
Nzuzu ngwa read


https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.thecable.ng/amaechi-im-igbo-jonathan-says-name-azikiwe-cant-speak-language/amp



https://www.nairaland.com/2866920/amaechi-emerges-ohanaeze-igbo-man/2


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwjJ_oHW4PHdAhWMOsAKHe8UAbcQxa8BCCUwAQ&usg=AOvVaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov

4get dis guy, u sud know not to believe everything a politician says, after all GEJ an ijaw man named himself azikiwe so as to get igbo support, amaechi said that becos of politics.

go to river state itself, listen the ikwerres, both literate n illerate, rich n poor, young n old will tell same thing, that they are not Igbo,

if you dont want to agree with the fact i leave to your own sturborn decision, its a free world

fero007:
you have the manners of a bushpig, what if I said something and I've changed my mind, every other person with a brain understood.

dont mind that scrap

Turantula:
Aboki go and hide ur ugly face and plastic kettle in shame. Headslammer claiming delta.

mumu, are you from delta? can you prove he's not from delta? someone just posted about his urhobo tribe and you say he's not from delta, prove it nw, jobless goat

ariesbull:
Chairman read the title and get back to me

is he not the OP? is he not the one that wrote the title? nw he's telling you what he meant and you are arguing

Is there no Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Edo who can tell us of their culture?
or people in Lagos, abuja, Kaduna, Jo's to tell us of your cities?
or about something all Nigerians enjoy?

I even summarized oron cause its broad too. I've seen many similarities between urhobo and oron

nice

fero007:
You have sense

gbosa!

scholes0:
So you think Kwe and kue sound alike? I have heard the way Benins call it and you will clearly hear the Ku-e

really! when u slow or breakdown kwe doesn't it also sound like ku-e, n when u rush ku-e, it sounds like kwe. They are the same o

scholes0:
like which ones?

And mouthwatering compared to which ones?

Even the overhyped Edika ikong soup, you know it is simply vegetable soup, right?

I mean Yoruba soups though Ok, dont thrill me like SE or SS soups.

apart from Edika Ikong or afang(which taste far better when patiently prepared the efik way), have you tasted ekpakukwo, afia efere, patiently prepared banga soup or ogwo soup, or Bini groundnut soup, or rivers native soup or oha, ofe akwukwo n ofe nsala that people are judging by look Instead actually tasting it. Apart from soups they have good food too.

Like I said maybe I've not yet seen the best of Yoruba foods, Ive only eaten ofada rice, ewedu, efo riro, gbegiri, Okro and stew.

I think most of the food you are calling from ondo state are foods of the ijaw people in that state

scholes0:
You dey mind am?

He is simply repeating the same silly stereotypes people circulate around.

If I start to mention the names of traditional soups, vegetables and stews in Yoruba, I wonder how many he will be able to recognize. He keeps posting pictures of Ewedu and Gbegiri like it is the only Yoruba soup in the world. That Ayamashe you just mentioned, he knows nothing about it, lol.

Don't even start me on Yoruba appetizers and snacks from Asun to Gizodo to dundun to Ipekere to Ojojo. Igbo appetizers are forest grubs and millepedes.... If you know the kind of things these people eat in their villages, you will take to your heels and NEVER look back.

I've not eaten many yorubas soups sha, but the few I've eaten are ok but not mouthwatering like others, maybe the ones I've not eaten are

how has shell helped port Harcourt sef