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Chikote:
salvation isn't of man... it is of GOD. that which is of God standeth sure.

Salvation is finished by Him. and it reached ALL.

ABDULADINO:
It means there is a possibility of having your faith wrecked by false teachers,persecution or temptations.Hymenaeus and philetus overthrew the faith of some by teaching the resurrection had already come and gone. BUT God still knew those who were His, which is the real issue of eternal life anyway.(2 tim 2:15-19).

9jamentors:
Please explain more.

5solas:
We do not read of believers losing their salvation in that verse. It is your wrong conclusion despite innumerable verses to the contrary. Please give us the methodology of salvation lose. We are entitled to that. The number of sins we ought to have committed , their severity, how we can be saved again, If Christ gets to die again, e.t.c

solzmuller:
as in who knows how to unlock sixthsense. cause i learnt its incredible and it enlighten one more than other five sense organ

badnature:
vooks as I read your comment I see an average nigeria in you always condemning what you don't know,I don't now you in person but I can bait with my life that you don't now that building that collapse neither have you ever come close to it but you have concluded the material are substandard but take it or leave it the tb Joshua that I now will never cut corners in any thing he does

5solas:

Simply say, God does in fact, not save.

5solas:
A common practice among those who believe that salvation can be lost (Arminians) is to quote verses they don't even understand, that they have not carefully examined contextually. I will pick you up on one - Galatians 5:4.
For years I had thought (as I think most people still do) that it taught that a believer could fall from grace. Interestingly, I only gained the right understanding of it years after I became a Calvinist (believing salvation cannot be lost). The whole point of Paul in this book is that justification (salvation) does not come from keeping of the law and this we get from 2:16 and 3:11.



Having stressed throughout this book that salvation does not come from the law , but rather the keeping of the law for salvation provokes God, he uses a figure of speech an [url]hyperbole[/url] which has continued to trip many to this day, all because they fail to read his words in context.
He says: 5:4
His meaning is simple, '' rather than your adherence to the law giving you grace, it takes grace from you-you are fallen from grace(you were never in grace!)
And looking at this verse objectively, we understand who ''falls from grace ''. Not a believer who falls into sin as so many proclaim, but that person who keeps the law in order to get salvation. How ironical!
Such a one Paul regards as foolish 3:1. Notice in 5:4 he says whosoever is justified by the law, yet he had taught that no one is justified (saved) by the law. And we know he is not contradicting himself, call it an [url]oxymoron[/url], if you will.

After the massive embarrassment of TB Joshua’s multiple incorrect MH370 prophecies, you would think SCOAN would keep quiet and try and forget the whole episode, but think again. After a swift cut in the edit room to remove the pesky “by the end of this week it will all be over, we won’t be talking about it anymore” part, they’ve repackaged the prophecy to claim this was fulfilled. Let’s revisit the multiple incorrect elements of his most disastrous prophecy ever. Here is a timeline of actual events alongside TB Joshua’s “predictions”, followed by an analysis of what he has actually contributed.

28th July, 2013 – TB Joshua predicts a plane carrying nearly 200 people will crash in “Asia” metres from the runway. It will be due to an obvious fault that could have been solved if the crew weren’t so impatient.

8th March, 2014 – Malaysian Airways flight MH370 disappears from the radar over the South China sea. Immediately an international rescue mission takes place, searching for a wreckage in the sea around the area contact was lost.

8th March, 2014 – TB Joshua releases an edited version of the 2013 prophecy, omitting the part where he claimed it would crash metres from the runway due to an obvious fault.

9th March, 2014 – TB Joshua Watch call for TB Joshua to reveal the location of the plane, since he claims so confidently that God had shown him this disaster happening 8 months ago.

9th March, 2014 – Approximately 8 hours after the TB Joshua Watch post, the TB Joshua Ministries official Facebook page reveal the location of the plane……. In the ocean! Particles will begin to appear on the surface any moment now, he claims.

14th March, 2014 – After several days of speculation that the plane may have flown on for hours, suggesting an element of foul play, the search switches to the Indian Ocean after unspecified “new information”. Although yet to be officially announced, the press are widely reporting that the flight had been hijacked.
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The day before TB Joshua implies an element of foul play, the media were reporting it.
15th March, 2014 – TB Joshua brags that he’s the only minister who’s been talking about this for the last year (even though what he mentioned a year ago was very different). He advises the rescuers to start searching between Indonesia and the Indian Ocean (the search moved to this area at least 24 hours prior to his “recommendation”). He says there are some strange people in the plane, who are not meant to be inside. There was a battle on the air, the plane turned back. The pilot confronted a situation he could not handle. The whole thing is coming to an end, they will discover the plane any moment from now. This coming week, we will not be talking about it again.

What we have seen so far is very illuminating. You can see clearly two deceptive techniques TB Joshua employs in order to make people think he’s a true prophet:

Make things as ambiguous as possible. For example, the “strange people on board” and the pilot “confronting a situation he could not handle”. This seems like it implies highjacking, but also could be twisted (especially with a little editing) to fit the more likely hypothesis of pilot suicide. If he really knew what happened why not say “it was hijacked” or “it was pilot suicide”?

Reveal details after they become public knowledge
. He said it was in the ocean when it was only the ocean being searched, and since the ocean covers 70% of the earth’s surface, that doesn’t exactly help locate it. He suggested they search between Indonesia and the Indian Ocean a few days after the search had switched its focus to there. He implies foul play, after the press have widely reported it.

If he had told them to search between Indonesia and the Indian Ocean while they were still focusing on the south China sea, that would have been impressive.

If he had revealed that the plane had been deliberately diverted when they still thought it had suffered a catastrophic failure, that would have been impressive.

The overall message of the recent prediction video is that if the authorities had listened to him at the time, it would have been over a lot sooner. He says they should have looked on the internet to see his credentials, then they would see that he could be believed. The problem is, if they looked beyond Emmanuel TV they would find that:

In the video predicting the Philippines typhoon he said the country name began with IN and the flooding would happen very soon, maybe in the next week (it happened 17 months later).

In the video predicting the Colorado shooting, he said he saw a military man killing lots of people at an army barracks (it was a student in a cinema).

In the video predicting the 2011 Indonesia plane crash he said he saw a blue plane crashing on a Wednesday (it was a white plane and it crashed on a Saturday).

In 2011 TB Joshua confidently proclaimed that within a few months, the Boko Haram crisis would be over.
In the prophecy he’s linking to the Malaysian MH370 disappearance, he said it would crash metres from the runway due to a known fault. In a further video produced nearly 2 weeks later he said it would be found any moment from now, and that within a week we’d no longer be talking about it.

In May 2014 he said the Chibok girls would be released unharmed, immediately.

In August 2014 he “cancelled” Ebola and said everyone could go back to how they used to live. The next month cases of Ebola soared.

[size=15pt]Why would any government listen to this joke of a prophet? [/size]This is a man with $15 million in the bank who leases a private jet, if he really knew where the missing jet was he would have flown out and proven it. Then his fame would be renown, he truly would be recognised globally as a “prophet of our time”. He didn’t do that for the same reason he didn’t make any attempt to heal and resurrect the victims of his building collapse. He makes a lot of noise about being a prophet and healer, but take him out of the controlled, sanitised environment of his carefully choreographed meetings and he can’t do a thing.

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trapQ:
your foolishness is alarming. get a life...

trapQ:
I didn't read all that garbage. I don't waste minutes on vain arguments.... run along

5solas:
Gal. 3:11

Gal.5 4

Marry the two verses, the answer will pop out.

trapQ:
but why op?? this is one of the most accurate prophesies this man has ever given. he had been telling them to go to the west Indian ocean for ages but they failed to. told them that it was the hand(wing) of the plane that was gonna be found. even told them that the debris was now at the shore of the ocean but you still see no good in him.

shame!!

jiggaz:
It will never work for you, listen to what God said concerning Believers in John 10:28-29....

“And I give to them
eternal life, and they shall
by no means perish
forever, and no one shall
snatch them out of My
hand. My Father, who has
given them to Me, is
greater than all, and no
one can snatch them out
of My Father’s hand.”

NOTHING, I MEAN NOTHING IS GOING TO SNATCH US FROM THE HANDS OF THE FATHER & THE SON!!!! WE ARE ETERNALLY SAVED!!!! HALLELUJAH!!!!
So you see, man can never understand the ways of God cos He doesn't think like Men. Mind you, i don't encourage believers to live in Sin. I encourage them to live holy & acceptable lives, but what i was trying to let people know is that ONCE YOU ACCEPT CHRIST as your Lord and Personal Saviour, your eternal security is SEALED!!!!!
This Gospel of Grace will be hard for you to understand but later on you will come to realise the Love of God for mankind. This was the same Gospel Paul was preaching and they came against him.

5solas:
Believers who live like Satan! They don't exist!

Candour:
@the bolded is the problem i have with a lot of our renowned MOG today.Why coat the truth about your personal trials? until when we put on incorruptible body,this body of flesh we have will remain subject to the curse pronounced in Genesis.It was after Oral Roberts died that it became public knowledge that he had a pacemaker inserted to aid his failing heart.That wasn't a sin,it just showed he was human.Admitting it would even encourage others who are in similar situations to know that God still loves and cares for them.



My brother, i believe in exposing false doctrine but we shouldn't destroy tender plants in the process.We should avoid getting personal as much as possible.When you make it look like you're on a personal vendetta, the crux of your message will be lost as it degenerates to mudslinging.This has happened too often recently and i feel i should caution you.I fall into this trap sometimes too but i refuse to excuse it.God is not even remotely glorified when we his children try to consume each other.Dont let your good be evil spoken of.

God bless you